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Post by sassyangel on Feb 11, 2022 22:16:36 GMT
I’ve been reading but refraining from posting. Saw these on Twitter. This trucker drove an extra 5 hours to get food delivered into Canada. Children being used as human shields. Interesting. Can that bridge hold all that weight??? My sympathies lie with that truck driver, and those who are unable to work because of this.  Using children as human shields is beyond reprehensible, and I hope whatever child protection agency that is responsible for them, is watching carefully. I would not be getting on that bridge. |
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Post by Scrapper100 on Feb 11, 2022 22:17:32 GMT
There is a rumor that trucks are planning to surround the stadium for Super Bowl-similar to what is happening in Canada. I wonder 1) if it’s true, and 2) if it is, the news said there is a plan in place to stop it from becoming a thing. What’s the plan? Im very curious. I hope it’s just rumor but seeing several posts about it snd then a caravan to DC but the date for that was March 1st maybe that’s when they want to reach DC. This isn’t going to end well. As far as the super bowl several people have said no one better mess with it. Who knows what will happen. |
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Post by sassyangel on Feb 11, 2022 22:21:05 GMT
THIS THREAD IS ABOUT THE TRUCKER PROTEST IN OTTAWA AND NOT ABOUT AMERICAN ISSUES. Sorry - but THIS is the comment you choose to yell at somebody over?? Lol 😂 I was taken aback too. I get the frustration - so no hard feelings, but damn, out of all the highly deserving yelling targets on here?…lol |
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Post by aj2hall on Feb 11, 2022 22:41:13 GMT
Thought this was interesting. I like Mendecino's and Trudeau's comments. www.washingtonpost.com/world/2022/02/08/canada-freedom-convoy-truckers-desantis-paxton/by Amy Cheng February 8, 2022 at 5:20 a.m. EST Senior Canadian officials hit back Monday at high-profile U.S. Republicans who have voiced support for the self-described “Freedom Convoy,” as the group continued to block traffic in downtown Ottawa in protest of vaccine rules for cross-border truckers. The Canadian convoy has attracted the attention of U.S. politicians debating their own country’s coronavirus protocols and drawn support from Republican figures including former president Donald Trump. Responding to some of those critics Monday, Canada’s public safety minister, Marco Mendicino, said: “We’re Canadian. We have our own set of laws. We will follow them.” Canadian police make arrests, seize vehicles in Ottawa Freedom Convoy protest The demonstrations began in late January after Canada and the United States imposed a new rule requiring cross-border truck drivers to be fully vaccinated to enter their respective countries. Since then, the protests have grown into a broader condemnation both of pandemic-related measures and the government of recently reelected Prime Minister Justin Trudeau, as far-right extremists, conspiracy theorists and anti-government activists have joined their ranks. In what Ottawa Police Chief Peter Sloly characterized as a “siege” of the downtown areas, protesters have used big rigs and cars to block crucial traffic arteries, with horns blaring throughout the day. Ottawa police said they have launched 60 criminal investigations, issued hundreds of tickets, towed vehicles and made at least 20 arrests since Friday. National monuments have been desecrated and businesses forced shut over security concerns. A state of emergency was announced for the city Sunday. Calling Trudeau a “far left lunatic,” Trump said in a statement Friday that “insane covid mandates” are destroying Canada and urged the convoy to come to Washington to protest the United States’ public health measures. Ottawa Police Chief Peter Sloly said on Feb. 7 that they are “stretched to the limit” as a demonstration by truckers over vaccine mandates entered an 11th day. (Reuters) Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis and Texas Attorney General Ken Paxton, both Republicans, tweeted over the weekend that their states would investigate GoFundMe after the fundraising platform said it was removing the fundraiser, citing information from law enforcement that "that the previously peaceful demonstration has become an occupation, with police reports of violence and other unlawful activity.” But Mendicino shot back Monday, saying: “It is certainly not the concern of the Texas attorney general as to how we in Canada go about our daily lives in accordance with the rule of law.”
“We need to be vigilant about potential foreign interference. … Whatever statements may have been made by some foreign official are neither here nor there,” Mendicino said during a news briefing.Similarly, Canada’s emergency preparedness minister, Bill Blair, said Monday: “We’re all entitled to an opinion, and in my opinion, [Paxton] is wrong.” Trudeau, whose government has become the convoy’s target, wrote on Twitter that Canadians have the right to protest. “But let’s be clear: They don’t have the right to blockade our economy, or our democracy, or our fellow citizens’ daily lives,” he said. “It has to stop.”
The anti-public health sentiments expressed by the Freedom Convoy participants in Ottawa are being amplified in other parts of the world. For example, participants of the “Convoy to Canberra” spent last week demonstrating against Australia’s vaccine mandates. Police in the capital warned residents Monday that protest activities may increase this week and disrupt traffic and public spaces. A similarly inspired convoy of cars and campervans blocked streets around the New Zealand Parliament on Tuesday. And rallies are being organized in Europe, as opponents to public health measures rush to plan in various Telegram channels. In Alaska on Sunday, more than 100 truck drivers gathered in Anchorage and rallied to show support for the Ottawa protesters, according to the Anchorage Daily News. The city’s Republican mayor, Dave Bronson, and U.S. Sen. Dan Sullivan (R-Alaska) reportedly attended the event. |
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Post by aj2hall on Feb 11, 2022 22:51:10 GMT
And this is somewhat concerning. The thought that Jan 6 and the blockade are only the beginning of "legitimate political discourse (according to the RNC) is terrifying. www.msnbc.com/opinion/canada-s-nationwide-insurrection-bringing-together-unlikely-alarming-alliance-n1288832We should expect more of this in the years to come — in North America and across the world, where the protests have already galvanized the far right.
What began as an occupational protest about cross-border vaccine mandates quickly grabbed the attention of the far right globally, becoming a “magnet for far-right grievances” and anti-establishment beliefs that are much broader than the original truckers’ anger. U.S. Republican politicians and conservative political commentators have voiced support for the protests, broadening their reach and amplifying videos of the protests on social media. Facebook and Telegram groups of supporters now boast hundreds of thousands of followers globally.Also, if I were Canadian, I would be mad about this. The response in Ottawa has reflected this struggle, with the cost of policing the protests alone running $800,000 per day |
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Post by sideways on Feb 11, 2022 23:00:54 GMT
An injunction has been granted and protestors have been ordered to leave. They have until 7pm so start getting off the Ambassador Bridge.
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Feb 12, 2022 0:25:26 GMT
I’ve been reading but refraining from posting. Saw these on Twitter. This trucker drove an extra 5 hours to get food delivered into Canada. Children being used as human shields. Interesting. Can that bridge hold all that weight??? My sympathies lie with that truck driver, and those who are unable to work because of this. Using children as human shields is beyond reprehensible, and I hope whatever child protection agency that is responsible for them, is watching carefully. I would not be getting on that bridge. Especially with people like cindosha out there who would drive her car/push them out of her way. |
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Post by sideways on Feb 12, 2022 0:37:58 GMT
Aaaand of course, the protestors aren’t leaving the bridge. They’ve got music going and are treating it like a big party, I bet there would be force if these were POC. So far it looks like the protestors are going to be allowed to do what they want.
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Post by sassyangel on Feb 12, 2022 0:59:55 GMT
Aaaand of course, the protestors aren’t leaving the bridge. They’ve got music going and are treating it like a big party, I bet there would be force if these were POC. So far it looks like the protestors are going to be allowed to do what they want. It’s more than likely going to take intervention to get them off. 😣 It’s actually a no win situation, because that’s exactly what they’re banking on. |
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Post by mollycoddle on Feb 12, 2022 1:06:52 GMT
Aaaand of course, the protestors aren’t leaving the bridge. They’ve got music going and are treating it like a big party, I bet there would be force if these were POC. So far it looks like the protestors are going to be allowed to do what they want. It’s more than likely going to take intervention to get them off. 😣 It’s actually a no win situation, because that’s exactly what they’re banking on. I wish that they would jam cell phones and move in in the middle of the night. |
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Post by littlemama on Feb 12, 2022 1:14:40 GMT
It’s more than likely going to take intervention to get them off. 😣 It’s actually a no win situation, because that’s exactly what they’re banking on. I wish that they would jam cell phones and move in in the middle of the night. Call out the National Guard (or the Canadian equivalent), arrest them and impound the trucks. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2022 1:18:35 GMT
An injunction has been granted and protestors have been ordered to leave. They have until 7pm so start getting off the Ambassador Bridge. I'll say it again....
"It's about fucking time!"
I normally (#*$# out the swearing, but I'm done with this violence being done to society by a bunch of whiny man-babies.
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Post by sassyangel on Feb 12, 2022 1:19:28 GMT
I wish that they would jam cell phones and move in in the middle of the night. Call out the National Guard (or the Canadian equivalent), arrest them and impound the trucks. That’s what they’re banking on, a show of ‘extreme force’. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2022 1:20:22 GMT
An injunction has been granted and protestors have been ordered to leave. They have until 7pm so start getting off the Ambassador Bridge. "After a virtual hearing Friday afternoon, Superior Court Justice Geoffrey Morawetz immediately granted the injunction, ruling that it would take effect only hours later at 7 p.m. “I want an order that is clear. I want an order that will be respected. I want an order that does not allow any wiggle room,” Morawetz said. Article content The injunction potentially set the stage for a showdown between police and the protesters who have occupied access points to North America’s main economic border crossing since Monday. Within minutes of the ruling, Windsor police issued a statement to make demonstrators “clearly aware that it is a criminal offence to obstruct, interrupt or interfere with the lawful use, enjoyment, or operation of property.”"
I'm not understanding why this hasn't been illegal all along. Blocking public right-of-ways w/o a permit should ALWAYS be illegal for health and safety reasons alone, not to mention commerce.
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Post by mollycoddle on Feb 12, 2022 1:21:06 GMT
I wish that they would jam cell phones and move in in the middle of the night. Call out the National Guard (or the Canadian equivalent), arrest them and impound the trucks. There was something that I read that said that vehicles could be impounded and/or big fines. I saw a report, but don’t know how accurate it is, that protestors might be denied entry to the US. I’ll try to find out tomorrow if it’s true. |
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Post by mollycoddle on Feb 12, 2022 1:21:48 GMT
Call out the National Guard (or the Canadian equivalent), arrest them and impound the trucks. That’s what they’re banking on, a show of ‘extreme force’. What is the alternative? |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2022 1:27:37 GMT
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Post by sassyangel on Feb 12, 2022 1:28:47 GMT
That’s what they’re banking on, a show of ‘extreme force’. What is the alternative? I didn’t say there was one. Hence, a no-win situation. |
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Post by Dalai Mama on Feb 12, 2022 1:43:03 GMT
I wish that they would jam cell phones and move in in the middle of the night. Call out the National Guard (or the Canadian equivalent), arrest them and impound the trucks. LOL Yeah, no - we don’t have anything like a National Guard. |
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Post by littlemama on Feb 12, 2022 1:45:28 GMT
Call out the National Guard (or the Canadian equivalent), arrest them and impound the trucks. LOL Yeah, no - we don’t have anything like a National Guard. The Mounties? I have no clue. Lol |
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Post by sassyangel on Feb 12, 2022 1:46:00 GMT
Call out the National Guard (or the Canadian equivalent), arrest them and impound the trucks. LOL Yeah, no - we don’t have anything like a National Guard. I’m thinking the flyer mentioning they might take personal/commercial licenses permanently, seems like it might be an effective play? |
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Post by mollycoddle on Feb 12, 2022 1:53:00 GMT
I didn’t say there was one. Hence, a no-win situation. Then businesses lose big money, workers lose shifts, and worst thing of all, these asshats get the idea that this works. Why not try it everywhere else? I am not generally big on use of force, but IMO, that’s the only thing that people like this understand. I will be very happy if I am proven wrong, and they peacefully disband. |
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Post by mollycoddle on Feb 12, 2022 1:54:05 GMT
LOL Yeah, no - we don’t have anything like a National Guard. I’m thinking the flyer mentioning they might take personal/commercial licenses permanently, seems like it might be an effective play? That should definitely happen. |
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Post by milocat on Feb 12, 2022 1:54:41 GMT
Call out the National Guard (or the Canadian equivalent), arrest them and impound the trucks. There was something that I read that said that vehicles could be impounded and/or big fines. I saw a report, but don’t know how accurate it is, that protestors might be denied entry to the US. I’ll try to find out tomorrow if it’s true. Tow companies either are on the truckers side or don't want to be apart of it due to death threats etc m.youtube.com/watch?v=Rn3FPsP56t8They could call the military in. They had said they wouldn't but that was from the 4th. I couldn't find anything newer. www.nationalobserver.com/2022/02/04/news/trudeau-military-break-ottawa-trucker-protest |
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Post by mollycoddle on Feb 12, 2022 1:57:21 GMT
They will have to get someone to do it. It would really suck to be making these big decisions. Glad I don’t have to figure all of this out. What an awful situation. |
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Post by sideways on Feb 12, 2022 3:34:44 GMT
Governor Whitmer has offered to send assistance removing the vehicles. Including equipment. |
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Post by sassyangel on Feb 12, 2022 6:50:44 GMT
I didn’t say there was one. Hence, a no-win situation. Then businesses lose big money, workers lose shifts, and worst thing of all, these asshats get the idea that this works. Why not try it everywhere else? I am not generally big on use of force, but IMO, that’s the only thing that people like this understand. I will be very happy if I am proven wrong, and they peacefully disband. I’m not disagreeing that it might have to come to that because of those impacts. Nor saying they shouldn’t be removed. Just pointing out that *if* they have to be removed - by force, it plays into the narrative of oppression they’re clearly trying to create. So I hope they can figure some way to do it without it coming to that. |
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Post by peajays on Feb 12, 2022 15:05:40 GMT
In Windsor, the police lines are finally moving in to herd them out. The constant berating from the livestreamers must be so annoying though, but clearly they’re trained to be able to ignore it. One guy says he’s already been assaulted 5 times, lmao…..he doesn’t know the definition. Come on guys, clean this shit up! And then get your asses into Ottawa.
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Post by onelasttime on Feb 12, 2022 15:20:00 GMT
This could end up being an interesting day. I have a feeling the truck drivers won’t go quietly. But I hope I’m wrong…
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Post by aj2hall on Feb 12, 2022 16:43:29 GMT
The convoy appears to have more than a few nutters as cindosha claimed. There are links to anti-government groups and one of the organizers is a q-anon crazy. 2 anti-vax conspiracy groups promoting the 5G, Nuremburg and Bill Gates nonsense are involved. One group, Hold Fast Canada claims concentration camps have already been set up in Canada. Their goals are broader than just anti-mandate. They are purposefully cutting off supply chains and disrupting auto manufacturers with a significant impact on auto workers. There is is still no evidence this is more than a small minority. According to the Ottowa police chief, estimates are 5,000 people and 1,000 trucks. Ottawa Police Chief Peter Sloly told reporters Friday that intelligence suggested the total number of trucks and demonstrators would be similar to that of last weekend, when about 5,000 people and 1,000 trucks flooded the city. This is is definitely no longer peaceful. The trucks on the bridge have been asked to disperse in clear terms. I hope there is a peaceful end, but I’m not optimistic. I also hope the truckers don’t try that here tomorrow at the Super Bowl or ahead of Biden’s state of the Union. And the Fox Entertainment channel is talking about this frequently but there has been very little talk about Trump destroying official documents and illegally taking classified documents to Florida. www.washingtonpost.com/world/2022/02/12/canada-ottawa-trucker-protest-freedom-convoy/Ottawa Police Chief Peter Sloly told reporters Friday that intelligence suggested the total number of trucks and demonstrators would be similar to that of last weekend, when about 5,000 people and 1,000 trucks flooded the city.www.nytimes.com/2022/02/10/opinion/ottawa-trucker-protests.htmlwww.mlive.com/public-interest/2022/02/canadian-truckers-protesting-vaccine-rule-snarl-traffic-at-michigan-border-crossings.htmlwww.nbcnews.com/tech/internet/us-trucker-convoy-picks-momentum-foreign-meddling-adds-fray-rcna15932www.theguardian.com/world/2022/feb/08/canada-ottawa-trucker-protest-extremist-qanon-neo-naziheathercoxrichardson.substack.com/p/february-11-2022The Fox News Channel is cheering on the so-called “Freedom Convoys” of disgruntled Canadians driving commercial trucks who have shut down Ottawa, Canada’s capital, as well as key border crossings between Canada and the U.S. They have created traffic jams that have made it impossible for auto plants on both sides of the border to get the parts they need, and the resulting production cuts, as well as the idling of hundreds of millions of dollars in trade, are hurting the economies of both countries. According to Justin Ling in The Guardian, the convoys appear to have been organized by James Bauder, a conspiracy theorist who believes Covid-19 is a political scam and has endorsed the QAnon movement. Canada’s recent vaccine requirement to cross the Canadian border provided a catalyst to pull together a number of different groups opposed to public health measures with anti-government protesters. The protests were neither popular nor representative of truckers: there were never more than about 8000 protesters, 90% of truckers crossing the border are vaccinated, and the Canadian Trucking Alliance strongly opposes the protest. On Tuesday, a spokesperson for the Canadian Trucking Alliance told Rose White of MLive that many of the Freedom Convoy protesters “have no connection to the trucking industry and have a separate agenda beyond a disagreement over cross border vaccine requirements.” Ling noted that the convoy participants flew neo-Nazi and Confederate flags and had QAnon logos on their trucks, but Bauder urged his supporters stick to the message of “freedom.” The “Freedom Convoy” has been pushed by fake accounts on social media and has picked up supporters from the U.S. right wing, including leading lawmakers. Facebook officials told NBC News today that fake accounts tied to content mills in Vietnam, Bangladesh, Romania, and several other countries have been pushing the convoy. Their disinformation is working; donations from the U.S. have flooded into accounts supporting the convoy protesters. Former president Donald Trump, Senator Ted Cruz (R-TX), Senator Rand Paul (R-KY), and others have endorsed the convoy, and the Fox News Channel has talked about the convoy two and a half times as often as CNN and five times as often as MSNBC in the last month, according to Philip Bump of the Washington Post. Matthew Gertz of Media Matters for America tweeted that the network has spent more than ten hours on the story since January 18, with the network personalities—especially Tucker Carlson and Sean Hannity—explicitly calling for an American version of the protest. The idea of shutting down supply chains does not interest the International Brotherhood of Teamsters, which yesterday denounced the convoy. “The livelihood of working Americans and Canadians in the automotive, agricultural, and manufacturing sectors is threatened by this blockade,” Teamsters General President Jim Hoffa said in a statement. “Our economy is growing under the Biden Administration, and this disruption in international trade threatens to derail the gains we have made. Our members are some of the hardest workers in the country and are being prevented from doing their jobs.” But that is almost certainly the point. Disrupting a nation’s supply chains destabilizes its economy and thereby weakens the government in power. Indeed, U.S. lawmakers know this quite well: in 1972, the U.S. Central Intelligence Agency funded a 26-day truckers’ strike in Chile that helped to destabilize the government of democratically elected Salvador Allende, who would be overthrown the following year by right-wing dictator General Augusto Pinochet. The economy under Biden shows that his traditional vision of a government that supports ordinary people rather than cutting taxes and funneling money to “makers” works; the extraordinary unity of NATO in the face of Putin’s determination to advance authoritarian goals shows that multilateral cooperation rather than unilateral military action works, too. For those determined to regain power, disruption and destabilization are the order of the day. |
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