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Post by pixiechick on Feb 15, 2022 17:54:54 GMT
The sitting leader of a country should sit down with people who have already stated that their motive is to overthrow the government so that, at some point in the future, they don’t possibly block a bridge? And say what, exactly? “Sure. I, a person who gets a single vote in parliament, will single-handedly dictate to the premieres, leaders of an opposing party, what mandates they will impose in their own provinces”? Or maybe, “We will reinstate the moratorium on the requirement for long-haul truckers to be vaccinated on their return from a country (over whom we also have no control) that won’t actually allow them in without being vaccinated”? The sitting leader of a country should sit down with people who have already stated that their motive is to overthrow the government so that, at some point in the future, they don’t possibly block a bridge? Not "sometime in the future". We were talking about the current situation. And I was responding to the idea that milocat put forth "He hasn't even met with you or barely addressed any if this." And the only problem you had with it was... "And that will never happen. Can you imagine the optics of our PM meeting with the leaders of this protest, all of whom are known white supremists?" That's what I was responding to. I have no response to your new parameters. How much longer are you going to keep pretending you don't understand the written word and know how to follow the conversation. And that's not a dig, that's an honest question, because it seems like you're just chasing your tail. You are NOT as dumb as you're pretending to be. |
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Post by pixiechick on Feb 15, 2022 17:59:38 GMT
No, it doesn't. The objection is that the Biden wants to mandate the citizens of this country get vaccinated "for the safety of the country" and yet lets in about a million or more people illegally and DOESN'T require THEM to get vaccinated. And then secretly spreads them throughout the country. THAT is the objection. The hypocrisy. The abject failure to keep the country safe while claiming he's holding citizens to a standard - in order to keep the country safe. He DOESN'T hold the same standard of safety and FOLLOW THE SCIENCE in dealing with people entering the country illegally from the Southern border, that he demands from current citizens and people entering legally from the northern border. I'll just repeat what I said that one of you seems bound and determined to bury. |
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Post by pixiechick on Feb 15, 2022 18:00:18 GMT
How many times do you need to be told immigrants and migrants are NOT spreading covid? People coming here legally have to be vaccinated. And the rates of covid are the same or higher in border states compared to migrants. I know for a fact that peas have provided links to articles and evidence that immigrants and migrants are not spreading covid. Despite that, you keep repeating false information. More importantly, you ignored the racist part. Unvaccinated white truckers (who are more likely to spread covid) on the border are OK, let them come in. But, Hispanics fleeing violence and poverty are not welcome eta - I changed my post to make it more clear. I refuse to use your words to dehumanize people. How many times do you need to be told immigrants and migrants are NOT spreading covid? People coming here legally have to be vaccinated. How many times do YOU have to be told that LINK> No, migrants in immigrant detention facilities are not required to get the COVID-19 vaccine
And the rates of covid are the same or higher in border states compared to migrants. That doesn't validate your claim when they are bussing and flying them all over the country in the middle of the night. Or NO, "that's the early morning" was Jen Psaki's only argument to that fact.   - I changed my post to make it more clear. I refuse to use your words to dehumanize people. Your virtue signaling is drowned out by your bullying. |
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Post by pixiechick on Feb 15, 2022 18:00:41 GMT
Like seriously, still trying to wrap my head around an elected US senator openly advocating for anarchy. Such legitimate political discourse. Me too. |
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Post by pixiechick on Feb 15, 2022 18:01:08 GMT
You don’t find it odd that another country has donated huge sums of money to a protest in Canada? What that tells me is that it’s political, and not just about mandates in the US. They have found a new rallying cry. Conservatives have replaced “Lock her up!” with “Honk honk!” What that tells me is that it’s political, and not just about mandates in the US. It was political when any gathering the Right had "was a superspreader event" and any gathering the Left had "was necessary" and "studies" were conducted that miraculously showed none of the Left "superspreader events" were dangerous. It was political the dozens and dozens and dozens of times a politician told us we MUST wear masks and socially distance and then got caught not doing so themselves and came up with the most asinine reasons why it was okay for them not to follow the science, but you still must do so. |
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Post by cindosha on Feb 15, 2022 18:15:34 GMT
I'm curious how you think calking out priviledged white truckers is racist? They are trying to get the government to bow to their demands through force and intimidation. And despite what you are hearing on Fox or other right wing media, they are the minority. Less than 33% of Canadians support and agree with them
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Why are you assuming that just because they are white, they have privilege? Why is it always privilege when someone is referring to the truckers? Because they are "trying to get the government to bow to their demands through force and intimidation", they are privileged? I don't get it. And there has been no force. Maybe some intimidation with noise but no force. |
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Post by Dalai Mama on Feb 15, 2022 18:31:23 GMT
Not "sometime in the future". We were talking about the current situation. And I was responding to the idea that milocat put forth "He hasn't even met with you or barely addressed any if this." And the only problem you had with it was... "And that will never happen. Can you imagine the optics of our PM meeting with the leaders of this protest, all of whom are known white supremists?" That's what I was responding to. I have no response to your new parameters. How much longer are you going to keep pretending you don't understand the written word and know how to follow the conversation. And that's not a dig, that's an honest question, because it seems like you're just chasing your tail. You are NOT as dumb as you're pretending to be. If you’re having a hard time understanding the nuances of the topic, maybe just sit back and listen. 🤷♀️ I mentioned the MOU of the CU days ago. |
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Post by cindosha on Feb 15, 2022 18:35:51 GMT
I don’t find that surprising at all! You don’t find it odd that another country has donated huge sums of money to a protest in Canada? What that tells me is that it’s political, and not just about mandates in the US. They have found a new rallying cry. Conservatives have replaced “Lock her up!” with “Honk honk!” You know what I find absolutely amazing? That NOBODY is pissed at china for starting this whole MF shit show. Where is the outrage with china and the wuhan lab for unleashing this chemical warfare on the whole world. They are at the root of EVERYTHING that has to do with covid and they should have absolutely been held accountable for everything that has trickled down from their terrorism. The NIH/fauci have a lot of explaining to do. |
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Post by Merge on Feb 15, 2022 18:46:20 GMT
I'm curious how you think calking out priviledged white truckers is racist? They are trying to get the government to bow to their demands through force and intimidation. And despite what you are hearing on Fox or other right wing media, they are the minority. Less than 33% of Canadians support and agree with them
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Why are you assuming that just because they are white, they have privilege? Why is it always privilege when someone is referring to the truckers? Because they are "trying to get the government to bow to their demands through force and intimidation", they are privileged? I don't get it. And there has been no force. Maybe some intimidation with noise but no force. One needs only to look at your comments about undocumented brown immigrants from our southern border vs. these white Canadian truckers (vis a vis their potential for spreading Covid in the US) to understand why someone might refer to the truckers as privileged. |
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Post by cindosha on Feb 15, 2022 18:48:13 GMT
Truckers that are in their trucks. Alone. For 90% of their work day. And again the truckers protest it isn’t about the vaccine. It’s about all of the mandates. Nope, I’ve never had a problem with anyone that’s not vaxed. If you want a vax, get one. If you don’t, then don’t. If you want to wear a mask then wear one, I couldn’t care less, but don’t force anyone else to wear one. Especially children. I’m really done with the children’s mask mandates. Really done. If this is true, why do you care if migrants and refugees are vaxxed or not? It's fairly clear from your posts that you object to requirements for white truckers to be vaxxed and at the same time continue to rant about people of color - migrants and immigrants possibly not being vaccinated. And truckers don't just stay in their trucks. They stop at rest stops to get gas, food etc.
You are the one complaining about 10-20% of unvaxed truckers, if that is even true. My point is that there are hundreds of thousands of potentially unvaxed illegals (not migrants or immigrants, and there IS a difference) running around the country that you say is okay because they are POC. Color has nothing to at all to do with my point. And truckers don't just stay in their trucks. They stop at rest stops to get gas, food etc.You must have missed the words where I said that they were in their trucks 90% of their day. Alone. |
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Post by cindosha on Feb 15, 2022 18:48:57 GMT
priviledged white truckers
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Why are you assuming that just because they are white, they have privilege? Why is it always privilege when someone is referring to the truckers? Because they are "trying to get the government to bow to their demands through force and intimidation", they are privileged? I don't get it. And there has been no force. Maybe some intimidation with noise but no force. One needs only to look at your comments about undocumented brown immigrants from our southern border vs. these white Canadian truckers (vis a vis their potential for spreading Covid in the US) to understand why someone might refer to the truckers as privileged. That's bullshit, but nice try!!! |
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Post by Merge on Feb 15, 2022 18:52:12 GMT
You don’t find it odd that another country has donated huge sums of money to a protest in Canada? What that tells me is that it’s political, and not just about mandates in the US. They have found a new rallying cry. Conservatives have replaced “Lock her up!” with “Honk honk!” You know what I find absolutely amazing? That NOBODY is pissed at china for starting this whole MF shit show. Where is the outrage with china and the wuhan lab for unleashing this chemical warfare on the whole world. They are at the root of EVERYTHING that has to do with covid and they should have absolutely been held accountable for everything that has trickled down from their terrorism. The NIH/fauci have a lot of explaining to do. Do keep up. This particular conspiracy theory has been thoroughly debunked. There is no evidence that Wuhan unleashed a bioweapon (which is not the same as chemical warfare, BTW) or that the virus was manmade. I don't know what you think Fauci and the NIH have to do with that. Maybe you could lead us on a strange and fascinating trip through your mental connection on that one. |
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Post by Merge on Feb 15, 2022 18:53:12 GMT
One needs only to look at your comments about undocumented brown immigrants from our southern border vs. these white Canadian truckers (vis a vis their potential for spreading Covid in the US) to understand why someone might refer to the truckers as privileged. That's bullshit, but nice try!!! "That's bullshit" doesn't prove your claim. Being treated differently because of the color of one's skin is evidence of privilege (or not). |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2022 18:53:47 GMT
priviledged white truckers
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Why are you assuming that just because they are white, they have privilege? Why is it always privilege when someone is referring to the truckers? Oh, come the f(*#$( on. Read a book once in a while that's about racism. On top of the problems EVERYONE (of any background) HAS with health, natural disasters, etc. did whites get systematically redlined out of education, voting, jobs and houses for ages because of their race? Or were their families, even if dirt poor, able to get jobs and buy houses/land if they had the money for it and vote and go to decent schools? That's why! Among hundreds of other reasons. |
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Post by sassyangel on Feb 15, 2022 18:56:10 GMT
People who try to violently overthrow a democratically elected government are insurrectionists. It’s right there in the definition. Don’t feel bad. We’ve already done this explanation here - since January 6, 2021. They didn’t get it then either. 😏 They clearly have no idea how a parliamentary democracy under a constitutional monarchy, works either. |
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Post by cindosha on Feb 15, 2022 18:59:38 GMT
You know what I find absolutely amazing? That NOBODY is pissed at china for starting this whole MF shit show. Where is the outrage with china and the wuhan lab for unleashing this chemical warfare on the whole world. They are at the root of EVERYTHING that has to do with covid and they should have absolutely been held accountable for everything that has trickled down from their terrorism. The NIH/fauci have a lot of explaining to do. Do keep up. This particular conspiracy theory has been thoroughly debunked. There is no evidence that Wuhan unleashed a bioweapon (which is not the same as chemical warfare, BTW) or that the virus was manmade. I don't know what you think Fauci and the NIH have to do with that. Maybe you could lead us on a strange and fascinating trip through your mental connection on that one. WOW!!! conspiracy theory? If you only had a brain!!! |
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Post by cindosha on Feb 15, 2022 19:02:25 GMT
That's bullshit, but nice try!!! "That's bullshit" doesn't prove your claim. Being treated differently because of the color of one's skin is evidence of privilege (or not). That is absolutely untrue. Being treated differently because of the color of one's skin is evidence of racism, not privilege. |
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Post by cindosha on Feb 15, 2022 19:04:22 GMT
priviledged white truckers
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Why are you assuming that just because they are white, they have privilege? Why is it always privilege when someone is referring to the truckers? Because they are "trying to get the government to bow to their demands through force and intimidation", they are privileged? I don't get it. And there has been no force. Maybe some intimidation with noise but no force. One needs only to look at your comments about undocumented brown immigrants from our southern border vs. these white Canadian truckers (vis a vis their potential for spreading Covid in the US) to understand why someone might refer to the truckers as privileged.
That would be YOU classifying them as brown, not me. And I never said immigrants, I said illegals! |
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Post by Gem Girl on Feb 15, 2022 19:07:51 GMT
You don’t find it odd that another country has donated huge sums of money to a protest in Canada? What that tells me is that it’s political, and not just about mandates in the US. They have found a new rallying cry. Conservatives have replaced “Lock her up!” with “Honk honk!” You know what I find absolutely amazing? That NOBODY is pissed at china for starting this whole MF shit show. Where is the outrage with china and the wuhan lab for unleashing this chemical warfare on the whole world. They are at the root of EVERYTHING that has to do with covid and they should have absolutely been held accountable for everything that has trickled down from their terrorism. The NIH/fauci have a lot of explaining to do. I'm very pissed, but at T-rump for minimizing it because he thought it might interfere with his election, when a full-bodied & prompt response could have made a big difference in how horrible things have gotten. |
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Post by cindosha on Feb 15, 2022 19:11:32 GMT
You know what I find absolutely amazing? That NOBODY is pissed at china for starting this whole MF shit show. Where is the outrage with china and the wuhan lab for unleashing this chemical warfare on the whole world. They are at the root of EVERYTHING that has to do with covid and they should have absolutely been held accountable for everything that has trickled down from their terrorism. The NIH/fauci have a lot of explaining to do. I'm very pissed, but at T-rump for minimizing it because he thought it might interfere with his election, when a full-bodied & prompt response could have made a big difference in how horrible things have gotten. Not sure what else he could have done at the time. The prompt response was that the whole effing country shut down and everyone was masked up from March 2020 to December 2020 and beyond. |
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Post by Merge on Feb 15, 2022 19:17:35 GMT
One needs only to look at your comments about undocumented brown immigrants from our southern border vs. these white Canadian truckers (vis a vis their potential for spreading Covid in the US) to understand why someone might refer to the truckers as privileged.
That would be YOU classifying them as brown, not me. And I never said immigrants, I said illegals! They mostly have brown skin, as you know, and you call them "illegals" as a way to dehumanize them. Yet you feel no need to dehumanize the mostly white truckers from Canada who would also be crossing the border illegally if they came here without a vaccine. Why is that? |
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Post by Merge on Feb 15, 2022 19:18:02 GMT
"That's bullshit" doesn't prove your claim. Being treated differently because of the color of one's skin is evidence of privilege (or not). That is absolutely untrue. Being treated differently because of the color of one's skin is evidence of racism, not privilege. Now you're starting to get it. Keep working! I know you're capable. |
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Post by Merge on Feb 15, 2022 19:18:58 GMT
Do keep up. This particular conspiracy theory has been thoroughly debunked. There is no evidence that Wuhan unleashed a bioweapon (which is not the same as chemical warfare, BTW) or that the virus was manmade. I don't know what you think Fauci and the NIH have to do with that. Maybe you could lead us on a strange and fascinating trip through your mental connection on that one. WOW!!! conspiracy theory? If you only had a brain!!! Yes, conspiracy theory. Pay attention. |
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Post by cindosha on Feb 15, 2022 19:24:58 GMT
No, it doesn't. The objection is that the Biden wants to mandate the citizens of this country get vaccinated "for the safety of the country" and yet lets in about a million or more people illegally and DOESN'T require THEM to get vaccinated. And then secretly spreads them throughout the country. THAT is the objection. The hypocrisy. The abject failure to keep the country safe while claiming he's holding citizens to a standard - in order to keep the country safe. He DOESN'T hold the same standard of safety and FOLLOW THE SCIENCE in dealing with people entering the country illegally from the Southern border, that he demands from current citizens and people entering legally from the northern border. I'll just repeat what I said that one of you seems bound and determined to bury. Let me add to Pixiechick's post: The objection is that the Biden wants to mandate the citizens of this country get vaccinated "for the safety of the country" and yet lets in about a million or more people illegally and DOESN'T require THEM to get vaccinated. And then secretly spreads them throughout the country.
THAT is the objection. The hypocrisy. The abject failure to keep the country safe while claiming he's holding citizens to a standard - in order to keep the country safe.
And I will further add to that... the Super Bowl...of course the politicians and movie stars and "rich elite" not wearing masks in the mask obsessed city of Los Angeles.... nypost.com/2022/02/14/la-mayor-eric-garcetti-celebs-called-out-for-maskless-super-bowl/And I love the one of the last lines of that article..... “But tomorrow morning, school children – for whom COVID is nearly 100% survivable – will wear masks for eight hours. Science.” |
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Post by cindosha on Feb 15, 2022 19:26:13 GMT
That is absolutely untrue. Being treated differently because of the color of one's skin is evidence of racism, not privilege. Now you're starting to get it. Keep working! I know you're capable. Oh, so you are saying that we are both right? I'll take it. |
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Post by Gem Girl on Feb 15, 2022 19:27:36 GMT
I'm very pissed, but at T-rump for minimizing it because he thought it might interfere with his election, when a full-bodied & prompt response could have made a big difference in how horrible things have gotten. Not sure what else he could have done at the time. The prompt response was that the whole effing country shut down and everyone was masked up from March 2020 to December 2020 and beyond. So, this timeline of his responses is just peachy, I guess? doggett.house.gov/media-center/blog-posts/timeline-trumps-coronavirus-responses |
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Post by anonaname on Feb 15, 2022 19:30:00 GMT
WOW!!! conspiracy theory? If you only had a brain!!! Yes, conspiracy theory. Pay attention. Do you also believe that there was no gain of function research occurring at Wuhan? |
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Post by cindosha on Feb 15, 2022 19:33:54 GMT
Maybe he could have thrown the country into a panic by saying "we are all going to die from this thing, we're fucked"? He tried to keep the country calm. |
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Post by milocat on Feb 15, 2022 19:37:34 GMT
I'm curious how you think calking out priviledged white truckers is racist? They are trying to get the government to bow to their demands through force and intimidation. And despite what you are hearing on Fox or other right wing media, they are the minority. Less than 33% of Canadians support and agree with them
priviledged white
Why are you assuming that just because they are white, they have privilege? Why is it always privilege when someone is referring to the truckers? Because they are "trying to get the government to bow to their demands through force and intimidation", they are privileged? I don't get it. And there has been no force. Maybe some intimidation with noise but no force. Privileged white because they weren't immediately arrested with force like First Nations protesters are when protesting on their own land. |
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Post by sleepingbooty on Feb 15, 2022 19:39:02 GMT
So many pages in this thread already! I don't have the time to catch up just yet but I wanted to know if there'd been update on the arsonists who tried to lock people inside the building they were starting a fire in? They'd been caught on camera. Have they been identified and found?
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