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Post by pixiechick on Feb 15, 2022 10:19:20 GMT
I find it funny how unironically people who would vocally oppose the Liberal government’s immigration policies and BIPOC calls to action consider this decades-old picture a ‘gotcha’ with pretended indignation. When asked about racism in Canadian politics, it’s not the Liberal, NDP, or Green Party that pop into most people’s mind. I cannot wait to see the rebuttal to this. I might even make some popcorn. Blackface is a racist thing to do. Trudeau had blackface on. I was pointing out the ridiculously hypocritical notion that Trudeau couldn't possibly meet with his citizens and work out something for the good of his country because someone had a racist flag or something. Can't do his job because some people have offensive beliefs?
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Post by pixiechick on Feb 15, 2022 10:31:13 GMT
If you are looking for someone to comment on the “potentially” Covid infected foreigners sitting at our borders ( which I am assuming you are referring to the trucker PROTEST), may I direct your attention to the over ONE MILLION illegals (thousands that are most likely Covid infected) pouring over our southern border and being shipped all over the country in droves. Yep, I’m pretty pissed about that!!! So there you go. How many times do you need to be told immigrants and migrants are NOT spreading covid? People coming here legally have to be vaccinated. And the rates of covid are the same or higher in border states compared to migrants. I know for a fact that peas have provided links to articles and evidence that immigrants and migrants are not spreading covid. Despite that, you keep repeating false information. More importantly, you ignored the racist part. Unvaccinated white truckers (who are more likely to spread covid) on the border are OK, let them come in. But, Hispanics fleeing violence and poverty are not welcome eta - I changed my post to make it more clear. I refuse to use your words to dehumanize people. How many times do you need to be told immigrants and migrants are NOT spreading covid? People coming here legally have to be vaccinated. How many times do YOU have to be told that LINK> No, migrants in immigrant detention facilities are not required to get the COVID-19 vaccine
And the rates of covid are the same or higher in border states compared to migrants. That doesn't validate your claim when they are bussing and flying them all over the country in the middle of the night. Or NO, "that's the early morning" was Jen Psaki's only argument to that fact. - I changed my post to make it more clear. I refuse to use your words to dehumanize people. Your virtue signaling is drowned out by your bullying.
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Post by pixiechick on Feb 15, 2022 10:43:48 GMT
Like seriously, still trying to wrap my head around an elected US senator openly advocating for anarchy. Such legitimate political discourse. Me too.
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Post by pixiechick on Feb 15, 2022 10:59:22 GMT
I don’t find that surprising at all! You don’t find it odd that another country has donated huge sums of money to a protest in Canada? What that tells me is that it’s political, and not just about mandates in the US. They have found a new rallying cry. Conservatives have replaced “Lock her up!” with “Honk honk!” What that tells me is that it’s political, and not just about mandates in the US. It was political when any gathering the Right had "was a superspreader event" and any gathering the Left had "was necessary" and "studies" were conducted that miraculously showed none of the Left "superspreader events" were dangerous. It was political the dozens and dozens and dozens of times a politician told us we MUST wear masks and socially distance and then got caught not doing so themselves and came up with the most asinine reasons why it was okay for them not to follow the science, but you still must do so.
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Post by mollycoddle on Feb 15, 2022 11:13:05 GMT
I cannot wait to see the rebuttal to this. I might even make some popcorn. Blackface is a racist thing to do. Trudeau had blackface on. I was pointing out the ridiculously hypocritical notion that Trudeau couldn't possibly meet with his citizens and work out something for the good of his country because someone had a racist flag or something. Can't do his job because some people have offensive beliefs? I disagree that he should have met with them. I do not pretend to be an expert on Canadian politics, but I have read that this group that wants vaccine and mask mandates tossed represents a minority of people in Canada who cannot seem to win an election. If I’m wrong, I hope that Canadian Peas will correct me. So they occupied part of a city downtown, blocking traffic, honking their horns day and night and harassing people trying to go about their business. 🤷♀️
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Post by mollycoddle on Feb 15, 2022 11:15:28 GMT
You don’t find it odd that another country has donated huge sums of money to a protest in Canada? What that tells me is that it’s political, and not just about mandates in the US. They have found a new rallying cry. Conservatives have replaced “Lock her up!” with “Honk honk!” What that tells me is that it’s political, and not just about mandates in the US. It was political when any gathering the Right had "was a superspreader event" and any gathering the Left had "was necessary" and "studies" were conducted that miraculously showed none of the Left "superspreader events" were dangerous. It was political the dozens and dozens and dozens of times a politician told us we MUST wear masks and socially distance and then got caught not doing so themselves and came up with the most asinine reasons why it was okay for them not to follow the science, but you still must do so. I know that you like to argue, but there is absolutely no point to get into a back and forth about this. We will never agree. And frankly, it’s tedious.
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Post by pixiechick on Feb 15, 2022 11:41:15 GMT
It was political when any gathering the Right had "was a superspreader event" and any gathering the Left had "was necessary" and "studies" were conducted that miraculously showed none of the Left "superspreader events" were dangerous. It was political the dozens and dozens and dozens of times a politician told us we MUST wear masks and socially distance and then got caught not doing so themselves and came up with the most asinine reasons why it was okay for them not to follow the science, but you still must do so. I know that you like to argue, but there is absolutely no point to get into a back and forth about this. We will never agree. And frankly, it’s tedious. It's 24 pages. YOU'VE posted here 66 times. Frankly at this point, the personal attack on me and it suddenly being too tedious to converse about this, simply because you can't dispute what I said is a little too obvious.
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Post by mollycoddle on Feb 15, 2022 11:46:20 GMT
I know that you like to argue, but there is absolutely no point to get into a back and forth about this. We will never agree. And frankly, it’s tedious. It's 24 pages. YOU'VE posted here 66 times. Frankly at this point, the personal attack on me and it suddenly being too tedious to converse about this, simply because you can't dispute what I said is a little too obvious. 😆😆😆 I love how you went through and counted. Never change.
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Post by pixiechick on Feb 15, 2022 11:53:57 GMT
It's 24 pages. YOU'VE posted here 66 times. Frankly at this point, the personal attack on me and it suddenly being too tedious to converse about this, simply because you can't dispute what I said is a little too obvious. 😆😆😆 I love how you went through and counted. Never change. I didn't count your replies. When you click on the number of replies to the thread it shows WHO responded and how many times. Interesting. When what I say is spot on but you don't like it, you can't just say, okay you may have a point or something in that vein. Instead you choose a personal attack or dig of some kind. Please change, for the better.
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Post by Dalai Mama on Feb 15, 2022 12:20:34 GMT
I cannot wait to see the rebuttal to this. I might even make some popcorn. Blackface is a racist thing to do. Trudeau had blackface on. I was pointing out the ridiculously hypocritical notion that Trudeau couldn't possibly meet with his citizens and work out something for the good of his country because someone had a racist flag or something. Can't do his job because some people have offensive beliefs? Hypocritical is manufactured outrage over a decades-old photo of a man who speaks with his policies - policies that would effect real change for minorities and that are opposed at every turn by the same people waving the picture around as a ‘gotcha’. And meet with ‘his’ citizens to work out what? Again, Trudeau is the PM - he has no power over provincial mandates so this is not his job. And, if you actually understood what was going on here, these people have already said that their mission is to forcibly remove him from office. Expecting him to sit down with these losers is like expecting your members of Congress to have sat down with the insurrectionists on Jan 6. ETA - in case you missed it - that is the answer to my repeated question of, “Why are they protesting in Ottawa?”
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Post by mollycoddle on Feb 15, 2022 12:22:03 GMT
😆😆😆 I love how you went through and counted. Never change. I didn't count your replies. When you click on the number of replies to the thread it shows WHO responded and how many times. Interesting. When what I say is spot on but you don't like it, you can't just say, okay you may have a point or something in that vein. Instead you choose a personal attack or dig of some kind. Please change, for the better. Now now, don’t get all sensitive. I was just amused. I don’t want to discuss this right now because I know the outcome. Just a long back and forth about left protests vs right protests that will not change anyone’s mind.
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Post by pixiechick on Feb 15, 2022 12:34:38 GMT
Hypocritical is manufactured outrage over a decades-old photo of a man who speaks with his policies - policies that would effect real change for minorities Speaking now with his policies a pretty powerful argument against a racist photo of him, I'll agree with you there. And meet with ‘his’ citizens to work out what? To get them to stop blocking the car plants. (before they made that happen)
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Post by pixiechick on Feb 15, 2022 12:43:07 GMT
I didn't count your replies. When you click on the number of replies to the thread it shows WHO responded and how many times. Interesting. When what I say is spot on but you don't like it, you can't just say, okay you may have a point or something in that vein. Instead you choose a personal attack or dig of some kind. Please change, for the better. Now now, don’t get all sensitive. I was just amused. I don’t want to discuss this right now because I know the outcome. Just a long back and forth about left protests vs right protests that will not change anyone’s mind. You didn't mind discussing it with me on your first post this morning. UNTIL, you could not counter what I said with anything OTHER than personal attacks and digs.The only reason it becomes this stupid "long back and forth" is when some of you do that. YOU CREATE the long useless back and forth, and then blame the person YOU started it against. You don't like the long back and forth? Then stop doing that. Have an honest conversation with someone for once. That sometimes involves saying, Okay, you have point, or I got it wrong.
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Post by Dalai Mama on Feb 15, 2022 13:22:01 GMT
Hypocritical is manufactured outrage over a decades-old photo of a man who speaks with his policies - policies that would effect real change for minorities Speaking now with his policies a pretty powerful argument against a racist photo of him, I'll agree with you there. And meet with ‘his’ citizens to work out what? To get them to stop blocking the car plants. (before they made that happen) The sitting leader of a country should sit down with people who have already stated that their motive is to overthrow the government so that, at some point in the future, they don’t possibly block a bridge? And say what, exactly? “Sure. I, a person who gets a single vote in parliament, will single-handedly dictate to the premieres, leaders of an opposing party, what mandates they will impose in their own provinces”? Or maybe, “We will reinstate the moratorium on the requirement for long-haul truckers to be vaccinated on their return from a country (over whom we also have no control) that won’t actually allow them in without being vaccinated”?
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Post by pixiechick on Feb 15, 2022 13:52:44 GMT
Speaking now with his policies a pretty powerful argument against a racist photo of him, I'll agree with you there. To get them to stop blocking the car plants. (before they made that happen) The sitting leader of a country should sit down with people who have already stated that their motive is to overthrow the government so that, at some point in the future, they don’t possibly block a bridge? And say what, exactly? “Sure. I, a person who gets a single vote in parliament, will single-handedly dictate to the premieres, leaders of an opposing party, what mandates they will impose in their own provinces”? Or maybe, “We will reinstate the moratorium on the requirement for long-haul truckers to be vaccinated on their return from a country (over whom we also have no control) that won’t actually allow them in without being vaccinated”? The sitting leader of a country should sit down with people who have already stated that their motive is to overthrow the government so that, at some point in the future, they don’t possibly block a bridge? Not "sometime in the future". We were talking about the current situation. And I was responding to the idea that milocat put forth "He hasn't even met with you or barely addressed any if this." And the only problem you had with it was... "And that will never happen. Can you imagine the optics of our PM meeting with the leaders of this protest, all of whom are known white supremists?" That's what I was responding to. I have no response to your new parameters.
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Post by Dalai Mama on Feb 15, 2022 14:02:43 GMT
The sitting leader of a country should sit down with people who have already stated that their motive is to overthrow the government so that, at some point in the future, they don’t possibly block a bridge? And say what, exactly? “Sure. I, a person who gets a single vote in parliament, will single-handedly dictate to the premieres, leaders of an opposing party, what mandates they will impose in their own provinces”? Or maybe, “We will reinstate the moratorium on the requirement for long-haul truckers to be vaccinated on their return from a country (over whom we also have no control) that won’t actually allow them in without being vaccinated”? The sitting leader of a country should sit down with people who have already stated that their motive is to overthrow the government so that, at some point in the future, they don’t possibly block a bridge? Not "sometime in the future". We were talking about the current situation. And I was responding to the idea that milocat put forth "He hasn't even met with you or barely addressed any if this." And the only problem you had with it was... "And that will never happen. Can you imagine the optics of our PM meeting with the leaders of this protest, all of whom are known white supremists?" That's what I was responding to. I have no response to your new parameters. They aren’t ‘new parameters’ they’re how government in Canada works - something people should probably have a basic knowledge of before commenting on a PM not doing his job. That’s what I was responding to. ETA - you said he should have spoken to them before they took over the bridge which, by definition, wasn’t a current situation.
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Post by pixiechick on Feb 15, 2022 14:15:17 GMT
Not "sometime in the future". We were talking about the current situation. And I was responding to the idea that milocat put forth "He hasn't even met with you or barely addressed any if this." And the only problem you had with it was... "And that will never happen. Can you imagine the optics of our PM meeting with the leaders of this protest, all of whom are known white supremists?" That's what I was responding to. I have no response to your new parameters. They aren’t ‘new parameters’ they’re how government in Canada works - something people should probably have a basic knowledge of before commenting on a PM not doing his job. That’s what I was responding to. ETA - you said he should have spoken to them before they took over the bridge which, by definition, wasn’t a current situation. Yes, they were new parameters introduced into the conversation. I did not say that he should have spoken to them before they took over the bridge. I said "To get them to stop blocking the car plants. (before they made that happen)" Meaning before Trudeau cleared up the blocking of the car manufacturing plants.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2022 14:52:03 GMT
They aren’t ‘new parameters’ they’re how government in Canada works See, but they're not how the privileged white men want it to work. They now want all governments to work based on "might makes right" and threats, force and intimidation. Compromise and democracy are for betas.
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Post by cindosha on Feb 15, 2022 14:56:03 GMT
Hey, you were the one with the "mind blown" about one group and not the other. Even after it was explained that the one you identified as "potentially unvaccinated" was more than likely to be vaccinated and the other was willfully, absolutely unvaccinated. So they are not "all still people not vaxed". And FWIW, none of the kids I'm around have any problems wearing masks. They are pretty matter of fact about it.Exactly this. I work in an elementary school with kindergartens and first graders. Even the kids with significant sensory issues are fine with wearing masks. None of them have a problem or even complain about it. The only ones complaining are adults. And I look at masks differently. When I see one on a child, it tells me that the adults around care about the kid and want to keep him or her safe.It's disgusting that at this point with all of "the science" that kids are still forced to wear a mask. Sickening.
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Post by cindosha on Feb 15, 2022 15:00:17 GMT
Blackface is a racist thing to do. Trudeau had blackface on. I was pointing out the ridiculously hypocritical notion that Trudeau couldn't possibly meet with his citizens and work out something for the good of his country because someone had a racist flag or something. Can't do his job because some people have offensive beliefs? Hypocritical is manufactured outrage over a decades-old photo of a man who speaks with his policies - policies that would effect real change for minorities and that are opposed at every turn by the same people waving the picture around as a ‘gotcha’. And meet with ‘his’ citizens to work out what? Again, Trudeau is the PM - he has no power over provincial mandates so this is not his job. And, if you actually understood what was going on here, these people have already said that their mission is to forcibly remove him from office. Expecting him to sit down with these losers is like expecting your members of Congress to have sat down with the insurrectionists on Jan 6. ETA - in case you missed it - that is the answer to my repeated question of, “Why are they protesting in Ottawa?” Protesters!!
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Post by cindosha on Feb 15, 2022 15:01:46 GMT
They aren’t ‘new parameters’ they’re how government in Canada works See, but they're not how the privileged white men want it to work. They now want all governments to work based on "might makes right" and threats, force and intimidation. Compromise and democracy are for betas. you sound so racist!!
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Post by aj2hall on Feb 15, 2022 15:21:40 GMT
I'm curious how you think calling out priviledged white truckers is racist? They are trying to get the government to bow to their demands through force and intimidation. And despite what you are hearing on Fox or other right wing media, they are the minority. Less than 33% of Canadians support and agree with them
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Post by Dalai Mama on Feb 15, 2022 15:23:21 GMT
They aren’t ‘new parameters’ they’re how government in Canada works - something people should probably have a basic knowledge of before commenting on a PM not doing his job. That’s what I was responding to. ETA - you said he should have spoken to them before they took over the bridge which, by definition, wasn’t a current situation. Yes, they were new parameters introduced into the conversation. I did not say that he should have spoken to them before they took over the bridge. I said "To get them to stop blocking the car plants. (before they made that happen)" Meaning before Trudeau cleared up the blocking of the car manufacturing plants. Were you talking about the Canadian gov’t? Yes - well that’s how our government works - not new parameters. And you said this: You talk about taking over the Ambassador Bridge and blocking the auto plants as two separate things - they aren’t. The plants are blocked because goods can’t cross the bridge.
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Post by Dalai Mama on Feb 15, 2022 15:26:57 GMT
Hypocritical is manufactured outrage over a decades-old photo of a man who speaks with his policies - policies that would effect real change for minorities and that are opposed at every turn by the same people waving the picture around as a ‘gotcha’. And meet with ‘his’ citizens to work out what? Again, Trudeau is the PM - he has no power over provincial mandates so this is not his job. And, if you actually understood what was going on here, these people have already said that their mission is to forcibly remove him from office. Expecting him to sit down with these losers is like expecting your members of Congress to have sat down with the insurrectionists on Jan 6. ETA - in case you missed it - that is the answer to my repeated question of, “Why are they protesting in Ottawa?” Protesters!! People who try to violently overthrow a democratically elected government are insurrectionists. It’s right there in the definition.
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Post by pixiechick on Feb 15, 2022 15:44:05 GMT
Yes, they were new parameters introduced into the conversation. I did not say that he should have spoken to them before they took over the bridge. I said "To get them to stop blocking the car plants. (before they made that happen)" Meaning before Trudeau cleared up the blocking of the car manufacturing plants. Were you talking about the Canadian gov’t? Yes - well that’s how our government works - not new parameters. And you said this: You talk about taking over the Ambassador Bridge and blocking the auto plants as two separate things - they aren’t. The plants are blocked because goods can’t cross the bridge. Read what you quoted. I bolded it for you. No, I'm not talking about them as if they're two different things. I was clarifying my actual words.
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Post by Dalai Mama on Feb 15, 2022 16:21:28 GMT
Were you talking about the Canadian gov’t? Yes - well that’s how our government works - not new parameters. And you said this: You talk about taking over the Ambassador Bridge and blocking the auto plants as two separate things - they aren’t. The plants are blocked because goods can’t cross the bridge. Read what you quoted. I bolded it for you. No, I'm not talking about them as if they're two different things. I was clarifying my actual words. You 'introduced them into the conversation' as soon as you said the PM wasn't doing his job. Those are parameters of that job. Your words: If you aren't talking about them as two different things then how is 'before they made that [blocking the car plants] happen' different from 'before they took over the bridge'?
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Post by pixiechick on Feb 15, 2022 16:51:58 GMT
Read what you quoted. I bolded it for you. No, I'm not talking about them as if they're two different things. I was clarifying my actual words. You 'introduced them into the conversation' as soon as you said the PM wasn't doing his job. Those are parameters of that job. Your words: If you aren't talking about them as two different things then how is 'before they made that [blocking the car plants] happen' different from 'before they took over the bridge'? No, it was already introduced into the conversation by milocat when she said "He hasn't even met with you or barely addressed any if this." She's from Canada so I figured she knew what she was talking about. And I wasn't differentiating between the bridge and the car plant. It was about your use of the word "before" and your claim about it.
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Post by psiluvu on Feb 15, 2022 16:53:39 GMT
Breaking news - The Ottawa Police Chief has resigned Resignation of Police Chief He has done a crappy job snce day 1 of the occupation. I believe the majority of Ottawans agree and are happy to see him go. His inaction and inability to command his officers were a main problem in the protestors settling in for the long haul.
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Post by Dalai Mama on Feb 15, 2022 17:17:17 GMT
You 'introduced them into the conversation' as soon as you said the PM wasn't doing his job. Those are parameters of that job. Your words: If you aren't talking about them as two different things then how is 'before they made that [blocking the car plants] happen' different from 'before they took over the bridge'? No, it was already introduced into the conversation by milocat when she said "He hasn't even met with you or barely addressed any if this." She's from Canada so I figured she knew what she was talking about. And I wasn't differentiating between the bridge and the car plant. It was about your use of the word "before" and your claim about it. Regarfless of who introduced it, it was already part of the conversation - ie, not a new parameter.
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Post by peajays on Feb 15, 2022 17:47:15 GMT
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