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Post by cindosha on Feb 20, 2022 22:15:00 GMT
Is it INACCURATE to you because it’s from a main stream media source, because it relies on a Twitter feed for its information, or because it’s an opinion piece rather than a hard news piece? It’s all garbage reporting. It simply depends on what you read, what you believe, and who you believe. Nothing more nothing less. Well, no. There is such a thing as striving for accuracy and meticulous fact checking in reporting. Generally, mainstream news outlets in the US (actual news, not infotainment) have high standards for accuracy. The Putin-led GOP has told you otherwise so you’ve come to think you might as well believe the “reporting” that best fits your personal beliefs, but that’s now how reporting works.Except that’s exactly what you are doing. Right? Your sources are completely factual and non biased and all others are crap? Because that’s exactly what you said. If you think that all MSM on the left is factual and unbiased, I feel sorry for you. 🙄🙄😂 |
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Post by leftturnonly on Feb 20, 2022 22:17:44 GMT
Used horses to trample a lady using a walker. You continue to spread this lie that has been repeatedly debunked. The lady with the walker was NOT trampled. She had a medical issue (heart-related, I believe) that caused her to go to the hospital. The “reporter” who originally stated she was trampled allowed the misinformation to spread for many hours before she finally recanted. But even she admitted that there was no woman with a walker being trampled. |
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Post by Merge on Feb 20, 2022 22:18:00 GMT
Well, no. There is such a thing as striving for accuracy and meticulous fact checking in reporting. Generally, mainstream news outlets in the US (actual news, not infotainment) have high standards for accuracy. The Putin-led GOP has told you otherwise so you’ve come to think you might as well believe the “reporting” that best fits your personal beliefs, but that’s now how reporting works.Except that’s exactly what you are doing. Right? Your sources are completely factual and non biased and all others are crap? Because that’s exactly what you said. If you think that all MSM on the left is factual and unbiased, I feel sorry for you. 🙄🙄😂 I didn’t say that. But when it comes to accuracy, yes, mainstream hard news reporting (not opinion pieces/vlogs) are more accurate than your propaganda sites. Thanks for the sympathy. The last five years have been tough with people on your side spouting lies and nonsense. |
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Post by sudsy on Feb 20, 2022 22:19:01 GMT
That is untrue and you should be ashamed of yourself for lying. Honestly, the behaviour of some participants on these boards is truly sad. What I said was: While I don't condone what the respondents said, if I were to disseminate lies I would expect a nasty reaction. Brilliant in its absolute hypocrisy. What I said was that if you're going to lie you should expect that people who know the truth might be upset with you. That is not hypocrisy. |
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Post by Merge on Feb 20, 2022 22:21:35 GMT
You continue to spread this lie that has been repeatedly debunked. The lady with the walker was NOT trampled. She had a medical issue (heart-related, I believe) that caused her to go to the hospital. The “reporter” who originally stated she was trampled allowed the misinformation to spread for many hours before she finally recanted. But even she admitted that there was no woman with a walker being trampled. Video of woman with walker being trampled by horsewww.youtube.com/shorts/ai5r3m4AcV8You must have better eyes than me if you can see someone being trampled in that video. I heard a lot of screaming from a guy who was oddly narrating the arrival of the horses. I see a woman, apparently the one featured before the cut, on the ground. But I do not see contact between the horses and her. Reminds me of soccer players who fake falling down and writhing in pain to try to force a foul on the other team. |
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Post by sudsy on Feb 20, 2022 22:21:48 GMT
I’m confused. Is this accurate reporting to you because it’s from a mainstream media source, because it relies on a Twitter feed for its information, or because it’s an opinion piece rather than a hard news piece? It's a video that you can watch. That is all. If you don't believe what you're seeing, that is fine. |
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Post by Merge on Feb 20, 2022 22:23:33 GMT
I’m confused. Is this accurate reporting to you because it’s from a mainstream media source, because it relies on a Twitter feed for its information, or because it’s an opinion piece rather than a hard news piece? It's a video that you can watch. That is all. If you don't believe what you're seeing, that is fine. What exactly am I seeing? Can you tell me at what point in the video you see a horse make contact with a woman or anyone? Who is the guy narrating? What is his purpose? Has anyone reputable been able to confirm with hospitals that the woman was injured or killed? |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2022 22:26:12 GMT
You continue to spread this lie that has been repeatedly debunked. The lady with the walker was NOT trampled. She had a medical issue (heart-related, I believe) that caused her to go to the hospital. The “reporter” who originally stated she was trampled allowed the misinformation to spread for many hours before she finally recanted. But even she admitted that there was no woman with a walker being trampled. Propaganda at its finest. HUGE thread here. This is only one small part.
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Post by cindosha on Feb 20, 2022 22:27:59 GMT
Except that’s exactly what you are doing. Right? Your sources are completely factual and non biased and all others are crap? Because that’s exactly what you said. If you think that all MSM on the left is factual and unbiased, I feel sorry for you. 🙄🙄😂 I didn’t say that. But when it comes to accuracy, yes, mainstream hard news reporting (not opinion pieces/vlogs) are more accurate than your propaganda sites.Thanks for the sympathy. The last five years have been tough with people on your side spouting lies and nonsense. Which sites do you purport to know that I read, watch or listen to?
The last five years have been tough with people on your side spouting lies and nonsense. I keep forgetting that “your side” is the side of truth and unbiased reporting. Not to mention, justice and acceptance of any view that is different than “yours”. |
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Post by sudsy on Feb 20, 2022 22:28:05 GMT
Are you arguing that main stream media is completely unbiased? You will have to show me where I said anything about right wing streaming. Are you insinuating that I am a white supremacist? What would your criteria for calling me a white supremacist be? I’m really curious about that. No, I referred to the fact that you are arguing with sudsy (a white supremacist defender) the person whom you directly quoted. It was a bizarre moment, because I thought that you agree with her. I am not a white supremacist defender. You should be ashamed of yourself elaine. You are now the second person who has lied about this in this thread. It's honestly a very dull person who jumps to "racist" and "white supremacist" when they can't formulate any other intelligent response. I said: While I don't condone what the respondents said, if I were to disseminate lies I would expect a nasty reaction. I have already explained what happened when someone attempted to bring "the flag" through the protest and that Justine Trudeau's photographer was caught there photographing the person holding the flag. If you'll notice, this person is posting from Waterloo Ontario which is not where the protest that this thread is about is located. I'm going to guess that she was not at the protest and therefore cannot offer any additional helpful information, such as pictures or videos of "white nationalists". |
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Post by lizacreates on Feb 20, 2022 22:28:44 GMT
sudsy , I realize you're probably getting lots of notifications so you may have missed my earlier question. I was curious because I can somewhat understand if the protestors are terrorists with the intent to kill other citizens. Or if there’s a civil war, a coup, or an insurrection. If you don’t wish to respond to my question, that’s aright, too.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Feb 20, 2022 22:34:42 GMT
Looks more like the guy in the brown jacket had his back to the horse and after the horse passed he pulled the woman in red down.
The horses did NOT charge anywhere. They were walking.
Things happen.
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Post by sudsy on Feb 20, 2022 22:35:53 GMT
You must have better eyes than me if you can see someone being trampled in that video. I heard a lot of screaming from a guy who was oddly narrating the arrival of the horses. I see a woman, apparently the one featured before the cut, on the ground. But I do not see contact between the horses and her. Reminds me of soccer players who fake falling down and writhing in pain to try to force a foul on the other team. If you think this lady was faking it then that is fine. Believe that as you wish. |
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Post by Merge on Feb 20, 2022 22:40:16 GMT
You must have better eyes than me if you can see someone being trampled in that video. I heard a lot of screaming from a guy who was oddly narrating the arrival of the horses. I see a woman, apparently the one featured before the cut, on the ground. But I do not see contact between the horses and her. Reminds me of soccer players who fake falling down and writhing in pain to try to force a foul on the other team. If you think this lady was faking it then that is fine. Believe that as you wish. Show me where she has been booked into a hospital. |
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Post by pixiechick on Feb 20, 2022 22:40:39 GMT
The right to protest does not equal the right to shut down all movement in a major city for weeks, nor to deny its citizens the quiet enjoyment of their own private homes with excessive noise and diesel fumes. Violence doesn’t have to equal looting and shooting. It can look like a long-term occupation in the streets of a major city. Perhaps some of the protestors are not white nationalists, but they are happily taking funding and support from those who are. Perhaps some have legitimate reasons to remain unvaccinated, but they are taking money and support from people who have promoted conspiracy theories and outright falsehoods about vaccines, to the detriment (and sometimes death) of millions. If they want to convince people their cause is just, taking money from charlatans, grifters, and criminals is not the way to do it. Their funding is dirty and they are all tainted by it, as well as by their own actions. Oh and as to their feeding anyone who comes by - you know who else feeds people and provides aid to those who need it? Hamas. Well-recognized terrorist organization in the Middle East. So that argument doesn’t really hold up. Your truckers there are being funded by white nationalists and wannabe terrorists, are keeping the peaceful citizens of Ottawa from their daily business and a presumably a decent night’s sleep, and are using some of the money to feed deluded looky-loos who walk by. Yay. Very impressive. David Dorn shot to death for defending his friend's pawn shop. Another pawn shop burned down with Oscar Stewart a father of 5, inside. A father of 5, dead. A federal courthouse burned, a police station run out of a community that needed it. A building with people locked inside and set on fire. People hunted down and shot. People having their skulls bashed in for helping someone avoid being beaten. Hundreds of police attacked with rocks and bricks and molotov cocktails, hundreds injured. Looting, trashing, burning and destroy all the businesses, many of them black owned. Billions in damages across the country. You're one that EXCUSED, deflected and dismissed the violence, death and destruction of 2020 when you agreed with the protest. |
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Post by sudsy on Feb 20, 2022 22:41:57 GMT
sudsy , I realize you're probably getting lots of notifications so you may have missed my earlier question. I was curious because I can somewhat understand if the protestors are terrorists with the intent to kill other citizens. Or if there’s a civil war, a coup, or an insurrection. If you don’t wish to respond to my question, that’s aright, too. I can assure you Liza that the truckers are not terrorists, just Canadians looking for an end to mandates. When people were arrested a few nights ago (and let go a few hours later) they said they had been arrested for "mischief". If you arrest a terrorist, I suspect the charge would be great than mischief. I'm sorry, you were right, I didn't see your response. |
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Post by Merge on Feb 20, 2022 22:42:37 GMT
I didn’t say that. But when it comes to accuracy, yes, mainstream hard news reporting (not opinion pieces/vlogs) are more accurate than your propaganda sites.Thanks for the sympathy. The last five years have been tough with people on your side spouting lies and nonsense. Which sites do you purport to know that I read, watch or listen to?
The last five years have been tough with people on your side spouting lies and nonsense. I keep forgetting that “your side” is the side of truth and unbiased reporting. Not to mention, justice and acceptance of any view that is different than “yours”. Are you really not capable of understanding shades of gray? I don't know what you watch or listen to, but I know what ridiculousness you spout here, and I know which outlets most commonly "report" that kind of nonsense. Not hard to draw a line. |
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Post by Merge on Feb 20, 2022 22:45:18 GMT
The right to protest does not equal the right to shut down all movement in a major city for weeks, nor to deny its citizens the quiet enjoyment of their own private homes with excessive noise and diesel fumes. Violence doesn’t have to equal looting and shooting. It can look like a long-term occupation in the streets of a major city. Perhaps some of the protestors are not white nationalists, but they are happily taking funding and support from those who are. Perhaps some have legitimate reasons to remain unvaccinated, but they are taking money and support from people who have promoted conspiracy theories and outright falsehoods about vaccines, to the detriment (and sometimes death) of millions. If they want to convince people their cause is just, taking money from charlatans, grifters, and criminals is not the way to do it. Their funding is dirty and they are all tainted by it, as well as by their own actions. Oh and as to their feeding anyone who comes by - you know who else feeds people and provides aid to those who need it? Hamas. Well-recognized terrorist organization in the Middle East. So that argument doesn’t really hold up. Your truckers there are being funded by white nationalists and wannabe terrorists, are keeping the peaceful citizens of Ottawa from their daily business and a presumably a decent night’s sleep, and are using some of the money to feed deluded looky-loos who walk by. Yay. Very impressive. David Dorn shot to death for defending his friend's pawn shop. Another pawn shop burned down with Oscar Stewart a father of 5, inside. A father of 5, dead. A federal courthouse burned, a police station run out of a community that needed it. A building with people locked inside and set on fire. People hunted down and shot. People having their skulls bashed in for helping someone avoid being beaten. Hundreds of police attacked with rocks and bricks and molotov cocktails, hundreds injured. Looting, trashing, burning and destroy all the businesses, many of them black owned. Billions in damages across the country. You're one that EXCUSED, deflected and dismissed the violence, death and destruction of 2020 when you agreed with the protest. You're going to have to show me where I "excused" anything, because that didn't happen. Understanding the rage when decades of peaceful protest have failed to bring about substantial change? Understanding black people's anger at innocent people dying at the hands of police? Yeah, I get that. But I never excused it. Also, nothing you said disproved anything I said about the funding for the Ottawa occupation. Funding those innocent truckers are happy to take. You'll have to go on to your next delusion, Gia. I have a street hockey game to organize. ETA: since I expect you're off trying to dig up "evidence" on me now (a privilege we're not afforded since you cravenly deleted your previous accounts), I'll remind you that, no matter how you twist it, being able to understand why someone does something is not the same as excusing it. I have never spoken out against appropriate legal consequences for people who commit violent acts. |
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Post by lizacreates on Feb 20, 2022 22:46:07 GMT
sudsy , I realize you're probably getting lots of notifications so you may have missed my earlier question. I was curious because I can somewhat understand if the protestors are terrorists with the intent to kill other citizens. Or if there’s a civil war, a coup, or an insurrection. If you don’t wish to respond to my question, that’s aright, too. I can assure you Liza that the truckers are not terrorists, just Canadians looking for an end to mandates. When people were arrested a few nights ago (and let go a few hours later) they said they had been arrested for "mischief". If you arrest a terrorist, I suspect the charge would be great than mischief. I'm sorry, you were right, I didn't see your response. Then what was the justification? |
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Post by Merge on Feb 20, 2022 22:46:27 GMT
sudsy , I realize you're probably getting lots of notifications so you may have missed my earlier question. I was curious because I can somewhat understand if the protestors are terrorists with the intent to kill other citizens. Or if there’s a civil war, a coup, or an insurrection. If you don’t wish to respond to my question, that’s aright, too. I can assure you Liza that the truckers are not terrorists, just Canadians looking for an end to mandates. When people were arrested a few nights ago (and let go a few hours later) they said they had been arrested for "mischief". If you arrest a terrorist, I suspect the charge would be great than mischief. I'm sorry, you were right, I didn't see your response. I can assure you ______ that Hamas are not terrorists, just Palestinians looking for an end to the occupation. See how that works? |
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Post by pixiechick on Feb 20, 2022 22:57:02 GMT
Mainstream media isn't dependable anymore. You have to use social media to see things for yourself. That's a pretty broad statement now...and are you suggesting that random people on SM don't have bias, specific angles, agendas etc? Certainly there's a lot to point out when it comes to certain news channels etc! Yes CNN, NBC, the Washington Post, and how many other so called "reliable sources" had to pay Nicholas Sandmann millions? for vilifying him with out of context clipped videos. They knew there was more to the video and they did it anyway. |
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Post by elaine on Feb 20, 2022 23:00:38 GMT
You. You defended their behavior up thread. That is untrue and you should be ashamed of yourself for lying. Honestly, the behaviour of some participants on these boards is truly sad. What I said was: While I don't condone what the respondents said, if I were to disseminate lies I would expect a nasty reaction. I have already explained what happened when someone attempted to bring "the flag" through the protest and that Justine Trudeau's photographer was caught there photographing the person holding the flag. If you'll notice, this person is posting from Waterloo Ontario which is not where the protest that this thread is about is located. I'm going to guess that she was not at the protest and therefore cannot offer any additional helpful information, such as pictures or videos of "white nationalists". That is defending the White Supremacist by justifying its post. Did you not even read the posts she posted the screenshots of? The ones you responded to and said should be expected? One of them had the username “White Supremacist.” She didn't need to be there or post additional photos. Why not read what you are actually responding to? I’ll include it again, since you were so happy to explain it away, you didn't read it the first go around:  |
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Post by cindosha on Feb 20, 2022 23:02:43 GMT
Which sites do you purport to know that I read, watch or listen to?
The last five years have been tough with people on your side spouting lies and nonsense. I keep forgetting that “your side” is the side of truth and unbiased reporting. Not to mention, justice and acceptance of any view that is different than “yours”. I don't know what you watch or listen to, but I know what ridiculousness you spout here, and I know which outlets most commonly "report" that kind of nonsense. Not hard to draw a line. Not when you you are so black/white (your sources=truth, non-bias, factual) (right sided reporting=wrong/lies/misinformation.) there are no shades of gray. Really not hard to figure out what outlets you get your news from either. It’s a pretty defined line based on what you say here. |
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Post by sudsy on Feb 20, 2022 23:02:56 GMT
I can assure you Liza that the truckers are not terrorists, just Canadians looking for an end to mandates. When people were arrested a few nights ago (and let go a few hours later) they said they had been arrested for "mischief". If you arrest a terrorist, I suspect the charge would be great than mischief. I'm sorry, you were right, I didn't see your response. Then what was the justification? I don't know if there was any. The people I saw interviewed (there were only two that I saw) both said they didn't have to sign anything. They were taken by bus to a spot about 30 minutes from the protest and were released outside of a shopping centre. One of them came right back to the protest. |
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Post by Merge on Feb 20, 2022 23:06:34 GMT
That's a pretty broad statement now...and are you suggesting that random people on SM don't have bias, specific angles, agendas etc? Certainly there's a lot to point out when it comes to certain news channels etc! Yes CNN, NBC, the Washington Post, and how many other so called "reliable sources" had to pay Nicholas Sandmann millions? for vilifying him with out of context clipped videos. They knew there was more to the video and they did it anyway. You must have a really good inside source, since the terms of the settlements were not made public. And obviously in the history of litigation, no entity has ever settled with a complainant just because it's cheaper than going to court. It's always because they're totes guilty. No one has ever filed a lawsuit hoping for just such an outcome. |
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Post by aj2hall on Feb 20, 2022 23:07:10 GMT
I'm really tired of the false comparison of the blockade in Canada to the BLM protests in the US. As some of our Canadian peas have pointed out, the BLM protests in Canada were mostly peaceful. Violence from either side is unacceptable. Full stop. Since people insist on bringing up the BLM protests, here's some additional information. The violence is sometimes being exaggerated. Incidents with property destruction or violence were rare, compared to the overwhelming majority of peaceful protests. In some cases, the actions of the police escalated the situation and led to more violence. www.npr.org/2022/02/17/1081609073/19-austin-police-officers-indicted-from-investigation-into-2020-protests-sourcesAUSTIN, Texas — A Texas grand jury indicted 19 Austin police officers on charges of aggravated assault with a deadly weapon for their actions during 2020 protests over racial injustice that spread nationwide following the killing of George Floyd, according to people familiar with the matter.Word of the indictments came hours after Austin city leaders approved paying $10 million to two people injured by police in the protests, including a college student who suffered brain damage after an officer shot him with a beanbag round.www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2020/10/16/this-summers-black-lives-matter-protesters-were-overwhelming-peaceful-our-research-finds/
In fact, the Black Lives Matter uprisings were remarkably nonviolent. When there was violence, very often police or counterprotesters were reportedly directing it at the protesters.
Here is what we have found based on the 7,305 events we’ve collected. The overall levels of violence and property destruction were low, and most of the violence that did take place was, in fact, directed against the BLM protesters.
Police were reported injured in 1 percent of the protests. A law enforcement officer killed in California was allegedly shot by supporters of the far-right “boogaloo” movement, not anti-racism protesters. The killings in the line of duty of other law enforcement officers during this period were not related to the protests.
Only 3.7 percent of the protests involved property damage or vandalism. Some portion of these involved neither police nor protesters, but people engaging in vandalism or looting alongside the protests.
In short, our data suggest that 96.3 percent of events involved no property damage or police injuries, and in 97.7 percent of events, no injuries were reported among participants, bystanders or police. |
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Post by Merge on Feb 20, 2022 23:08:01 GMT
Are you really not capable of understanding shades of gray?I don't know what you watch or listen to, but I know what ridiculousness you spout here, and I know which outlets most commonly "report" that kind of nonsense. Not hard to draw a line. Not when you you are so black/white (your sources=truth, non-bias, factual) (right sided reporting=wrong/lies/misinformation.) there are no shades of gray. Really not hard to figure out what outlets you get your news from either. It’s a pretty defined line based on what you say here. I have never claimed that any source is 100% reliable. What I object to is your characterization that none are ever reliable, and we should just choose what to believe. Some sources are much more reliable than others without meeting the 100% standard. I'm going for the highest degree of reliability available. |
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Feb 20, 2022 23:08:51 GMT
Rioters!!!
Not protesters!
But again you don't get that.
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Post by lizacreates on Feb 20, 2022 23:09:27 GMT
Then what was the justification? I don't know if there was any. The people I saw interviewed (there were only two that I saw) both said they didn't have to sign anything. They were taken by bus to a spot about 30 minutes from the protest and were released outside of a shopping centre. One of them came right back to the protest. No, sorry. My original question to you was: What was Trudeau's justification for invoking the emergencies act? |
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Post by pixiechick on Feb 20, 2022 23:10:09 GMT
I'll remind you that, no matter how you twist it, being able to understand why someone does something is not the same as excusing it. There's that pesky double standard again. I'll remind you that has been the standard by you and your buddies for at least more than a decade, so you can't NOW deny that it isn't the same as excusing it. Because after years of saying it IS the same, your quoted statement above doesn't hold a single drop of water. Every single correction of disinformation, was dismissed because it literally "meant you were excusing" whatever the issue was. So either that applies across the board, or it doesn't apply at all. |
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