valincal
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Post by valincal on Feb 20, 2022 19:55:20 GMT
Sorry, but you have that ass backwards. No, eyewitness accounts are wildly inaccurate. Just because Trump likes to shout fake news when they report something he doesn’t like, that doesn’t mean the media is wrong or inaccurate. Washington Post, NYT, mainstream media all have ethics, integrity and standards. They use actual sources for information, sources that can be verified and multiple sources. Their opinion pieces have a bias, but their news is factual and accurate. They post retractions and corrections when they get it wrong. There are plenty of sources like NPR, PBS, BBC, Reuters that are mostly neutral and don’t have a spin. Everyone on social media has a bias or spin. There’s no way to know something on social media hasn’t been edited. And people on social media do not follow journalism standards. There is plenty of misinformation and disinformation on social media. Look at all if the different sources I linked. Are you saying all if them are wrong based on your personal experience? Maybe if that many sources are telling you the same thing, there’s something to what they’re saying. I was talking about your eyes. Your eyewitness account. While watching it live. As it's happening. If you think that's inaccurate, well I'm not sure what to say. Your eyes told you there are millions of “supporters” in Ottawa, shaking hands with these heroes. 🤔 |
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Post by sabrinae on Feb 20, 2022 20:00:11 GMT
Sorry, but you have that ass backwards. No, eyewitness accounts are wildly inaccurate. Just because Trump likes to shout fake news when they report something he doesn’t like, that doesn’t mean the media is wrong or inaccurate. Washington Post, NYT, mainstream media all have ethics, integrity and standards. They use actual sources for information, sources that can be verified and multiple sources. Their opinion pieces have a bias, but their news is factual and accurate. They post retractions and corrections when they get it wrong. There are plenty of sources like NPR, PBS, BBC, Reuters that are mostly neutral and don’t have a spin. Everyone on social media has a bias or spin. There’s no way to know something on social media hasn’t been edited. And people on social media do not follow journalism standards. There is plenty of misinformation and disinformation on social media. Look at all if the different sources I linked. Are you saying all if them are wrong based on your personal experience? Maybe if that many sources are telling you the same thing, there’s something to what they’re saying. I was talking about your eyes. Your eyewitness account. While watching it live. As it's happening. If you think that's inaccurate, well I'm not sure what to say. What I'm saying is that watching something live, not selected clips which are edited after the fact and chosen selectively, is my choice. You have no idea of what your watching has been edited or not. Your also only seeing what they want you to see. They can selectively choose what to film. You seem completely unwilling to even consider bad behavior from the protestors. It’s laughable that you think they’re going to show you them doing things like urinating orndefecating in public or defacing things. Or shouting slurs at people or pushing and shoving those simply trying to get through the protests. |
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Feb 20, 2022 20:11:55 GMT
Clean up...... By Steve Scherer OTTAWA (Reuters) - Canadian police on Sunday are making possibly the final push to clear the capital city of demonstrators who have paralyzed it by parking and camping on the streets for more than three weeks to protest against pandemic restrictions. Police have made 170 arrests and towed 53 vehicles since they began efforts to bust up the protest on Friday morning that required Prime Minister Justin Trudeau to invoke rarely used emergency powers. On Saturday, police used pepper spray and stun grenades to move out the die-hard protesters who have remained, clearing most of the...... nordot.app/868014698765549568*** It is over for now... In a largely peaceful operation on Saturday, Canadian officials took advantage of an emergency powers law to arrest protesters and tow vehicles from the streets of Ottawa. www.rawstory.com/bob-rae-canadian-truckers/ |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2022 20:31:49 GMT
You think Terry Fox would be horrified by people protesting for freedom? I certainly don't. Try again. You know damn well that wasn't what I meant. |
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Post by elaine on Feb 20, 2022 20:46:31 GMT
Anyone who defends people who proudly declare themselves to be White Nationalists while verbally attacking & threatening a woman of color because she said things they didn't like is scum in my book.
There is no valid defense of people who proudly label themselves as people who seek to wipe off the planet all people who are not white, straight & Christian.
Signed,
Someone they would kill (along with my sons) simply because of who I am, regardless of what I say.
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Post by sudsy on Feb 20, 2022 21:06:15 GMT
I was talking about your eyes. Your eyewitness account. While watching it live. As it's happening. If you think that's inaccurate, well I'm not sure what to say. What I'm saying is that watching something live, not selected clips which are edited after the fact and chosen selectively, is my choice. You have no idea of what your watching has been edited or not. Your also only seeing what they want you to see. They can selectively choose what to film. You seem completely unwilling to even consider bad behavior from the protestors. It’s laughable that you think they’re going to show you them doing things like urinating orndefecating in public or defacing things. Or shouting slurs at people or pushing and shoving those simply trying to get through the protests. You're assuming that I've only watched one or two people livestreaming. Maybe I should have included the fact that I've watched dozens of people live streaming for 3 weeks now. How many have you watched? Just curious. |
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Post by cindosha on Feb 20, 2022 21:10:06 GMT
No, my recommendation was to watch events live as they are happening and to form your own opinion. Yep I did that - and my view is the complete opposite of yours. I watched this unfold on social media - absolutely disgusting behaviour because she dared to speak out on what was really behind this convoy:       I’m pretty sure that’s not the norm. There are always people with big clanking balls behind a keyboard who want to see how much of a response they can get from people. They do NOT represent normal thinking, non-mentally ill people. |
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Post by sudsy on Feb 20, 2022 21:12:05 GMT
Clean up...... By Steve Scherer OTTAWA (Reuters) - Canadian police on Sunday are making possibly the final push to clear the capital city of demonstrators who have paralyzed it by parking and camping on the streets for more than three weeks to protest against pandemic restrictions. Police have made 170 arrests and towed 53 vehicles since they began efforts to bust up the protest on Friday morning that required Prime Minister Justin Trudeau to invoke rarely used emergency powers. On Saturday, police used pepper spray and stun grenades to move out the die-hard protesters who have remained, clearing most of the...... nordot.app/868014698765549568*** It is over for now... In a largely peaceful operation on Saturday, Canadian officials took advantage of an emergency powers law to arrest protesters and tow vehicles from the streets of Ottawa. www.rawstory.com/bob-rae-canadian-truckers/Oh my goodness... You CLEARLY were not watching what happened on Saturday. This is the problem with getting your news from "Reuters". They used TEAR GAS, RUBBER BULLETS and LRAD machines on peaceful protesters. They BEAT WOMEN IN THE STREETS with the butt end of their guns. Used horses to trample a lady using a walker. Kicked and kneed people on the ground. |
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Post by cindosha on Feb 20, 2022 21:13:08 GMT
You have no idea of what your watching has been edited or not. Your also only seeing what they want you to see. They can selectively choose what to film. You seem completely unwilling to even consider bad behavior from the protestors. It’s laughable that you think they’re going to show you them doing things like urinating orndefecating in public or defacing things. Or shouting slurs at people or pushing and shoving those simply trying to get through the protests. You're assuming that I've only watched one or two people livestreaming. Maybe I should have included the fact that I've watched dozens of people live streaming for 3 weeks now. How many have you watched? Just curious. That is EXACTLY what MSM does. I’m sure you know that, right? Hahaha!!! |
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Post by sudsy on Feb 20, 2022 21:15:02 GMT
You think Terry Fox would be horrified by people protesting for freedom? I certainly don't. Try again. You know damn well that wasn't what I meant. If you don't mean things, then you probably shouldn't say them. |
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Post by elaine on Feb 20, 2022 21:16:15 GMT
You're assuming that I've only watched one or two people livestreaming. Maybe I should have included the fact that I've watched dozens of people live streaming for 3 weeks now. How many have you watched? Just curious. That is EXACTLY what MSM does. I’m sure you know that, right? Hahaha!!! You are arguing with a white supremacist who believes just like you that the right-wing streaming is supposedly the only way to get valid news? |
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Post by cakediva on Feb 20, 2022 21:19:47 GMT
Yes she is in Waterloo. She’s a local BIPOC educator and quite highly regarded by many. She posted about the “heads” of this convoy - Pat King and the others. And while this convoy may have started by some who believed the mandates were wrong, it morphed into something else. Having a demand to have our elected prime minister step down so they could form a new government with the senate. That is not how our democracy works. the people sending her thousands of threats are all convoy supporters. It doesn’t matter that she’s not there walking among them. She spoke her believes and received thousands of threats because of it. Because she’s a person of colour who dared to speak out against the leaders of this convoy. I think I've already mentioned that if you watch a press conference with the "leaders" of the convoy, you won't see Pat King sitting at the table. And while this convoy may have started by some who believed the mandates were wrong, it morphed into something else. Having a demand to have our elected prime minister step down so they could form a new government with the senate. That is not how our democracy works. If you watched the last press conference given by Tom Marazzo, he said that demanding that Trudeau step down was not one of their requests. The dropping of all mandates was their request. the people sending her thousands of threats are all convoy supporters. It doesn’t matter that she’s not there walking among them. She spoke her believes and received thousands of threats because of it. Because she’s a person of colour who dared to speak out against the leaders of this convoy. What she did, in fact, was try to paint a picture that portrayed the convoy as being racist and "white nationalist". I'm going to try to explain this to you simply. People who are vehemently racist or "white nationalist" are likely not going to band together with members of all races and skin colours to unite as one, hug in public, take selfies together in public and declare in public that they love one another. Which is exactly what happened all through the protest. Most people after seeing this repeatedly, can deduce that the "racist" moniker doesn't fit. I'm sorry that you can't. I'm not a four year old - I don't need things explained to me simply. I'm an adult, and I do my own watching & reading and forming of opinions. Why is my watching & reading wrong and yours right? I posted this earlier in the thread. But still relevant. AND written by somebody living in Ottawa in the middle of it all.        |
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Post by sudsy on Feb 20, 2022 21:20:21 GMT
Anyone who defends people who proudly declare themselves to be White Nationalists while verbally attacking & threatening a woman of color because she said things they didn't like is scum in my book. There is no valid defense of people who proudly label themselves as people who seek to wipe off the planet all people who are not white, straight & Christian. Signed, Someone they would kill (along with my sons) simply because of who I am, regardless of what I say. Who are you suggesting is condoning this behaviour? |
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Post by cindosha on Feb 20, 2022 21:26:54 GMT
That is EXACTLY what MSM does. I’m sure you know that, right? Hahaha!!! You are arguing with a white supremacist who believes just like you that the right-wing streaming is supposedly the only way to get valid news? Are you arguing that main stream media is completely unbiased? You will have to show me where I said anything about right wing streaming. Are you insinuating that I am a white supremacist? What would your criteria for calling me a white supremacist be? I’m really curious about that. |
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Post by elaine on Feb 20, 2022 21:40:18 GMT
You are arguing with a white supremacist who believes just like you that the right-wing streaming is supposedly the only way to get valid news? Are you arguing that main stream media is completely unbiased? You will have to show me where I said anything about right wing streaming. Are you insinuating that I am a white supremacist? What would your criteria for calling me a white supremacist be? I’m really curious about that. No, I referred to the fact that you are arguing with sudsy (a white supremacist defender) the person whom you directly quoted. It was a bizarre moment, because I thought that you agree with her. |
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Post by elaine on Feb 20, 2022 21:40:52 GMT
Anyone who defends people who proudly declare themselves to be White Nationalists while verbally attacking & threatening a woman of color because she said things they didn't like is scum in my book. There is no valid defense of people who proudly label themselves as people who seek to wipe off the planet all people who are not white, straight & Christian. Signed, Someone they would kill (along with my sons) simply because of who I am, regardless of what I say. Who are you suggesting is condoning this behaviour? You. You defended their behavior up thread. |
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Post by twinsmomfla99 on Feb 20, 2022 21:41:44 GMT
Used horses to trample a lady using a walker. You continue to spread this lie that has been repeatedly debunked. The lady with the walker was NOT trampled. She had a medical issue (heart-related, I believe) that caused her to go to the hospital. The “reporter” who originally stated she was trampled allowed the misinformation to spread for many hours before she finally recanted. But even she admitted that there was no woman with a walker being trampled. |
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Post by sudsy on Feb 20, 2022 21:44:17 GMT
She posted about the “heads” of this convoy - Pat King and the others. I think I've already mentioned that if you watch a press conference with the "leaders" of the convoy, you won't see Pat King sitting at the table. And while this convoy may have started by some who believed the mandates were wrong, it morphed into something else. Having a demand to have our elected prime minister step down so they could form a new government with the senate. That is not how our democracy works. If you watched the last press conference given by Tom Marazzo, he said that demanding that Trudeau step down was not one of their requests. The dropping of all mandates was their request. the people sending her thousands of threats are all convoy supporters. It doesn’t matter that she’s not there walking among them. She spoke her believes and received thousands of threats because of it. Because she’s a person of colour who dared to speak out against the leaders of this convoy. What she did, in fact, was try to paint a picture that portrayed the convoy as being racist and "white nationalist". I'm going to try to explain this to you simply. People who are vehemently racist or "white nationalist" are likely not going to band together with members of all races and skin colours to unite as one, hug in public, take selfies together in public and declare in public that they love one another. Which is exactly what happened all through the protest. Most people after seeing this repeatedly, can deduce that the "racist" moniker doesn't fit. I'm sorry that you can't. I'm not a four year old - I don't need things explained to me simply. I'm an adult, and I do my own watching & reading and forming of opinions. Why is my watching & reading wrong and yours right? I posted this earlier in the thread. But still relevant. AND written by somebody living in Ottawa in the middle of it all. I didn't bother commenting on these screenshots because they were so many obvious falsehoods here that I begrudged the time. Did you bother to look into any of these claims? Or did you take them as fact? Nor is anyone unlawfully getting laid off for being unvaccinated. This is the most important one. There are many people getting laid off unlawfully for not getting vaccinated. If getting vaccinated was not a condition of your employment, it is definitely unlawful to require you to get one to further your employment. I could go on and on about this but my point is that you can't take what you read as fact without looking it up. It's very important to do so. |
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Post by sudsy on Feb 20, 2022 21:48:58 GMT
Who are you suggesting is condoning this behaviour? You. You defended their behavior up thread. That is untrue and you should be ashamed of yourself for lying. Honestly, the behaviour of some participants on these boards is truly sad. What I said was: While I don't condone what the respondents said, if I were to disseminate lies I would expect a nasty reaction. I have already explained what happened when someone attempted to bring "the flag" through the protest and that Justine Trudeau's photographer was caught there photographing the person holding the flag. If you'll notice, this person is posting from Waterloo Ontario which is not where the protest that this thread is about is located. I'm going to guess that she was not at the protest and therefore cannot offer any additional helpful information, such as pictures or videos of "white nationalists". |
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Post by Merge on Feb 20, 2022 21:51:16 GMT
I didn't bother commenting on these screenshots because they were so many obvious falsehoods here that I begrudged the time. Did you bother to look into any of these claims? Or did you take them as fact? Nor is anyone unlawfully getting laid off for being unvaccinated. This is the most important one. There are many people getting laid off unlawfully for not getting vaccinated. If getting vaccinated was not a condition of your employment, it is definitely unlawful to require you to get one to further your employment. I could go on and on about this but my point is that you can't take what you read as fact without looking it up. It's very important to do so. Unlawful under Canadian federal or local statues? Can you cite them? Here in the US, where the same people howling about vaccine requirements for their job are also the biggest proponents of “right to work” and “employment at will” legislation, it’s perfectly legal for an employer to change job requirements at any time. Anyone in an employment at will state can be let go at any time for any reason or no reason at all. Those who don’t like it are free to seek employment elsewhere. I realize it may be different in Canada, but I do hope you’ll cite the actual statutes. |
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Post by Merge on Feb 20, 2022 21:52:22 GMT
You. You defended their behavior up thread. That is untrue and you should be ashamed of yourself for lying. Honestly, the behaviour of some participants on these boards is truly sad. What I said was: While I don't condone what the respondents said, if I were to disseminate lies I would expect a nasty reaction. Brilliant in its absolute hypocrisy. |
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Post by sudsy on Feb 20, 2022 21:52:36 GMT
Used horses to trample a lady using a walker. You continue to spread this lie that has been repeatedly debunked. The lady with the walker was NOT trampled. She had a medical issue (heart-related, I believe) that caused her to go to the hospital. The “reporter” who originally stated she was trampled allowed the misinformation to spread for many hours before she finally recanted. But even she admitted that there was no woman with a walker being trampled. Oh good grief. Take a look. torontosun.com/news/local-news/warmington-police-horses-trample-demonstrators-at-freedom-convoy-protest-in-ottawa |
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Feb 20, 2022 21:55:01 GMT
That's a pretty broad statement now...and are you suggesting that random people on SM don't have bias, specific angles, agendas etc? I could spend all afternoon pointing out inaccuracies in reporting. What I'm suggesting is that watching live feeds of ongoing events (from a broad spectrum of people if you want to see all "angles") is better than being fed small tidbits with "spin". These days every second person has their camera out filming things - there are many sources to choose from. Many sources with absolute bias. |
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Post by Merge on Feb 20, 2022 21:59:01 GMT
I’m confused. Is this accurate reporting to you because it’s from a mainstream media source, because it relies on a Twitter feed for its information, or because it’s an opinion piece rather than a hard news piece? |
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Post by cindosha on Feb 20, 2022 21:59:36 GMT
Are you arguing that main stream media is completely unbiased? You will have to show me where I said anything about right wing streaming. Are you insinuating that I am a white supremacist? What would your criteria for calling me a white supremacist be? I’m really curious about that. No, I referred to the fact that you are arguing with sudsy (a white supremacist defender) the person whom you directly quoted. It was a bizarre moment, because I thought that you agree with her. Maybe you should go back to the post and actually read it you will see that I argued sabrinae’s response. Again my question is, are you arguing that mainstream media is completely unbiased? You’ll have to show me where I said anything about right wing streaming. |
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Post by sudsy on Feb 20, 2022 22:04:16 GMT
I didn't bother commenting on these screenshots because they were so many obvious falsehoods here that I begrudged the time. Did you bother to look into any of these claims? Or did you take them as fact? Nor is anyone unlawfully getting laid off for being unvaccinated. This is the most important one. There are many people getting laid off unlawfully for not getting vaccinated. If getting vaccinated was not a condition of your employment, it is definitely unlawful to require you to get one to further your employment. I could go on and on about this but my point is that you can't take what you read as fact without looking it up. It's very important to do so. Unlawful under Canadian federal or local statues? Can you cite them? Here in the US, where the same people howling about vaccine requirements for their job are also the biggest proponents of “right to work” and “employment at will” legislation, it’s perfectly legal for an employer to change job requirements at any time. Anyone in an employment at will state can be let go at any time for any reason or no reason at all. Those who don’t like it are free to seek employment elsewhere. I realize it may be different in Canada, but I do hope you’ll cite the actual statutes. |
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Post by cindosha on Feb 20, 2022 22:04:58 GMT
I’m confused. Is this accurate reporting to you because it’s from a mainstream media source, because it relies on a Twitter feed for its information, or because it’s an opinion piece rather than a hard news piece?Is it INACCURATE to you because it’s from a main stream media source, because it relies on a Twitter feed for its information, or because it’s an opinion piece rather than a hard news piece? It’s all garbage reporting. It simply depends on what you read, what you believe, and who you believe. Nothing more nothing less. |
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Post by Merge on Feb 20, 2022 22:06:28 GMT
Unlawful under Canadian federal or local statues? Can you cite them? Here in the US, where the same people howling about vaccine requirements for their job are also the biggest proponents of “right to work” and “employment at will” legislation, it’s perfectly legal for an employer to change job requirements at any time. Anyone in an employment at will state can be let go at any time for any reason or no reason at all. Those who don’t like it are free to seek employment elsewhere. I realize it may be different in Canada, but I do hope you’ll cite the actual statutes. This article says that an employer can terminate your employment relationship at any time as long as they pay appropriate severance. |
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Feb 20, 2022 22:08:31 GMT
BTW: just saw Tucker is now selling $35 tee shirts, nothing like charging the max!! I |
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Post by Merge on Feb 20, 2022 22:09:14 GMT
I’m confused. Is this accurate reporting to you because it’s from a mainstream media source, because it relies on a Twitter feed for its information, or because it’s an opinion piece rather than a hard news piece?Is it INACCURATE to you because it’s from a main stream media source, because it relies on a Twitter feed for its information, or because it’s an opinion piece rather than a hard news piece? It’s all garbage reporting. It simply depends on what you read, what you believe, and who you believe. Nothing more nothing less. Well, no. There is such a thing as striving for accuracy and meticulous fact checking in reporting. Generally, mainstream news outlets in the US (actual news, not infotainment) have high standards for accuracy. The Putin-led GOP has told you otherwise so you’ve come to think you might as well believe the “reporting” that best fits your personal beliefs, but that’s now how reporting works. |
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