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Post by drummergirl65 on Feb 9, 2022 2:58:09 GMT
Just because a person can't go into a restaurant for dinner doesn't mean you're oppressed. These "truckers" are nothing but big babies who has wrapped themselves up in a big ol' flag (you choose which one) and are play acting like they're going to war. They WANT to be heroes but they're just zeros. Wow, aren't you something.
These are the same zeros that were trucking food to feed your ass and trucking toilet paper to wipe your ass.
Typical left.
Yes, yes I am something  Oh and like I said before, I'm a somewhat conservative so not typical left haha! You also may want to try reading comprehension. Those so called truckers you're talking about ARE a minority. 90% of Canada's truckers are vaccinated and still working. And my ass is good thanks
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Post by mollycoddle on Feb 9, 2022 2:59:42 GMT
It’s my OPINION, it’s a thought. I never said it was a fact. I still consider it a peaceful protest compared to the riots of 2020/2021!!! As someone who had to pass through the Toronto protests... there was nothing peaceful about it. I had to be in the general area of it for about 10 minutes, because I had to work downtown, and couldn't drive down because of the closures. They were blocking the entrance into transit. Minding my own business, I was no less than 8 times called various versions of "fat fucking bitch" "stupid fat c*nt" "brainwashed fat bitch," had garbage thrown at me and was "accidentally" shoved into a snow pile. I guess because I was walking, and wearing a mask (which is required to get onto transit), and well, apparently my ass is too big for... freedom? Who knows. Deplorable was always the right word. Yeah, that protest has all of the best people. 👀🥴 I’m sorry that you got harassed by those morons. |
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Post by compeateropeator on Feb 9, 2022 3:52:53 GMT
But is it being used as sound torture? 🤷♀️
So is it just a peaceful protest or is there also some sort of psychological warfare going on? It is used by the Military, so there must be something to it? 😉 The problem with the constant horns is it is the not the government or politicians that they are affecting, but that of the general public…their neighbors, their doctor, their nurse, their grocery store cashier, their kid’s teacher, etc, etc…nowhere do I see that the government was the one on the receiving end. So again the protesters obviously have very little regard for their fellow man or community. This is my opinion as it is yours that it is a peaceful protest.
I also want to add, as a border state resident, the vaccination mandate to cross the border and the impact on the truckers has been discussed here also. Some agree with it and some do not, but it is recognized that the majority of the drivers who have routes that include Canada are already vaccinated. Those that are not will either give up those routes or will get vaccinated. That is the way it works. There are many reason that may limit your entry into Canada (or vice versa)…DUI for example.
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Post by sideways on Feb 9, 2022 4:13:47 GMT
truckers behaving reprehensibly
FFS. It’s a peaceful protest, noisy but peaceful. Personally I think it’s members of the left or progressives who are infiltrating the protest and doing all the crazy confederate/nazi flag waving bullshit there. I don’t know how I missed this gem. 🙄 Accuse the opposition of what you are doing. Gaslighting 101. POS. |
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Post by sassyangel on Feb 9, 2022 4:31:46 GMT
I believe you are correct. 2peasrefugees.boards.net/post/1542054/thread Feb 20, 2017 at 5:22pm Post by cindosha on Feb 20, 2017 at 5:22pm So should protesters who stand in traffic, block freeways, etc. I swear that if a protester stopped me in my car from getting where I wanted to go, I'd hit 'em. Cindy I’ll assume she’s on her way to Ottawa to take out this group, then. In her Buick, full of prehistoric righteous indignation. Quite the visual. |
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Post by mollycoddle on Feb 9, 2022 4:37:50 GMT
I’ll assume she’s on her way to Ottawa to take out this group, then. In her Buick, full of prehistoric righteous indignation. Quite the visual. Okay, that made me laugh. Prehistoric!  |
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Post by Nanner on Feb 9, 2022 4:43:07 GMT
It’s my OPINION, it’s a thought. I never said it was a fact. I still consider it a peaceful protest compared to the riots of 2020/2021!!! As someone who had to pass through the Toronto protests... there was nothing peaceful about it. I had to be in the general area of it for about 10 minutes, because I had to work downtown, and couldn't drive down because of the closures. They were blocking the entrance into transit. Minding my own business, I was no less than 8 times called various versions of "fat fucking bitch" "stupid fat c*nt" "brainwashed fat bitch," had garbage thrown at me and was "accidentally" shoved into a snow pile. I guess because I was walking, and wearing a mask (which is required to get onto transit), and well, apparently my ass is too big for... freedom? Who knows. Deplorable was always the right word. That's just awful. I'm so sorry you had to deal with these assholes. |
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Post by sassyangel on Feb 9, 2022 4:52:45 GMT
It’s my OPINION, it’s a thought. I never said it was a fact. I still consider it a peaceful protest compared to the riots of 2020/2021!!! As someone who had to pass through the Toronto protests... there was nothing peaceful about it. I had to be in the general area of it for about 10 minutes, because I had to work downtown, and couldn't drive down because of the closures. They were blocking the entrance into transit. Minding my own business, I was no less than 8 times called various versions of "fat fucking bitch" "stupid fat c*nt" "brainwashed fat bitch," had garbage thrown at me and was "accidentally" shoved into a snow pile. I guess because I was walking, and wearing a mask (which is required to get onto transit), and well, apparently my ass is too big for... freedom? Who knows. Deplorable was always the right word. I’m sorry. That’s so vile. I stand by my characterization of reprehensible to describe their behavior. |
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Post by aj2hall on Feb 9, 2022 5:02:06 GMT
truckers behaving reprehensibly
FFS. It’s a peaceful protest, noisy but peaceful. Personally I think it’s members of the left or progressives who are infiltrating the protest and doing all the crazy confederate/nazi flag waving bullshit there. I don’t know how I missed this gem. 🙄 Accuse the opposition of what you are doing. Gaslighting 101. POS. I think this might be the new Republican tactic. When someone does something reprehensible, waves offensive flags, etc accuse the left of being there in disguise. Similar to the completely unfounded accusations of the Jan 6 insurrection. |
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Post by OntarioScrapper on Feb 9, 2022 5:37:06 GMT
My friend who is a truck driver, got stuck in the USA at the Ambassador Bridge. She is Canadian and couldn't get her truck back into Canada because the protestors where blocking that side of the bridge. She stayed overnight in a hotel. This morning she had to try the Sarnia crossing. Which happened to be under maintance so it was slow going. She was sitting in her truck in a long line of trucks. Took a picture and and posted her view from her truck. She finally 5 hours later got home. She's pissed.
Many business in downtown Ottawa had to close. I saw numourous posts on social media to boycott Tim Hortons because they were closed. Huh, they closed like other businesses because unmasked protesters were coming in. Masks are required to enter a business. People are now losing money due to this protest. As a minimum wager I can't afford to be out of work for this period of time. And yet those protesters aren't working and causing hardship on businesses and their workers. The noise from the horns alone would be unbareable.
And what did Doug Ford do? Hope everyone just put their anger towards Justin Trudeau. Our Prime Minister can't just go in and do something because he needs for Ford to ask for help. Why isn't Ford doing that? How long must this go on in Ottawa and at the Ambassador Bridge?
As grocery store cashier, I experienced a lot of rude customers last Thursday to Friday. We require customers to wear a mask OR face covering. A whole bunch of unmasked people came. Many when asked if they'd take a mask said that it's their Freedom to not wear a mask. I seriously wanted to ask them if they would also take off their shoes and shirts which are also required to enter. Many of these unmasked people were asked to leave. We have gotten unmasked people before (several of our regulars do wear a face shield instead) but never so many in two days and so defiant. If the customer says they are medically exempt, then we can't make them leave. However we also don't have to cash them out either. They can use self checkout.
Which brings me to the odd customer on Monday I had. I called over the next customer, she came over and I noticed no mask or face shield. She started putting her stuff down right away. I stopped and kindly asked "Would you like a mask?"
"No, I'm medically exempt."
"I'm sorry but I don't serve maskless people."
"Does it work?"
Blinked in surprise. "What is suppose to work?'
"Your mask." And she gave me this big smile like it was an AH HA moment.
"Well I hope so since it has a filter. But if we both wore masks or a face covering, it helps protect us BOTH." with the most cheerful voice I could muster.
I didn't move. She hmfphed and picked up her groceries.
Instead of going to self check out, she tried the next cashier, then the next one and got to the last one who later told me she just decided it was better to get her out fast before she made a scene.
What I wanted to tell her "If you are medically exempt, it doesn't mean the virus can't get to you. Also if you get COVID, you have a higher viral level hence why you are more contagious and more likely to end up in the hospital." Which I can't say.
And I don't really understand why a medically exempt person would ask if the mask works. Makes no sense. We have a regular customer who comes in every two weeks with an oxygen tank and she wears a MASK. Whoever cashes her out also helps her pack up her groceries because she clearly struggles.
Sorry for the long winded post but I'm just as tired of the mandates as the protesters. However I understand why mandates have been necessary and will not put my frustrations on other people. It's just plain fucking selfish.
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Post by sassyangel on Feb 9, 2022 6:00:31 GMT
My friend who is a truck driver, got stuck in the USA at the Ambassador Bridge. She is Canadian and couldn't get her truck back into Canada because the protestors where blocking that side of the bridge. She stayed overnight in a hotel. This morning she had to try the Sarnia crossing. Which happened to be under maintance so it was slow going. She was sitting in her truck in a long line of trucks. Took a picture and and posted her view from her truck. She finally 5 hours later got home. She's pissed. Many business in downtown Ottawa had to close. I saw numourous posts on social media to boycott Tim Hortons because they were closed. Huh, they closed like other businesses because unmasked protesters were coming in. Masks are required to enter a business. People are now losing money due to this protest. As a minimum wager I can't afford to be out of work for this period of time. And yet those protesters aren't working and causing hardship on businesses and their workers. The noise from the horns alone would be unbareable. And what did Doug Ford do? Hope everyone just put their anger towards Justin Trudeau. Our Prime Minister can't just go in and do something because he needs for Ford to ask for help. Why isn't Ford doing that? How long must this go on in Ottawa and at the Ambassador Bridge? As grocery store cashier, I experienced a lot of rude customers last Thursday to Friday. We require customers to wear a mask OR face covering. A whole bunch of unmasked people came. Many when asked if they'd take a mask said that it's their Freedom to not wear a mask. I seriously wanted to ask them if they would also take off their shoes and shirts which are also required to enter. Many of these unmasked people were asked to leave. We have gotten unmasked people before (several of our regulars do wear a face shield instead) but never so many in two days and so defiant. If the customer says they are medically exempt, then we can't make them leave. However we also don't have to cash them out either. They can use self checkout. Which brings me to the odd customer on Monday I had. I called over the next customer, she came over and I noticed no mask or face shield. She started putting her stuff down right away. I stopped and kindly asked "Would you like a mask?" "No, I'm medically exempt." "I'm sorry but I don't serve maskless people." "Does it work?" Blinked in surprise. "What is suppose to work?' "Your mask." And she gave me this big smile like it was an AH HA moment. "Well I hope so since it has a filter. But if we both wore masks or a face covering, it helps protect us BOTH." with the most cheerful voice I could muster. I didn't move. She hmfphed and picked up her groceries. Instead of going to self check out, she tried the next cashier, then the next one and got to the last one who later told me she just decided it was better to get her out fast before she made a scene. What I wanted to tell her "If you are medically exempt, it doesn't mean the virus can't get to you. Also if you get COVID, you have a higher viral level hence why you are more contagious and more likely to end up in the hospital." Which I can't say. And I don't really understand why a medically exempt person would ask if the mask works. Makes no sense. We have a regular customer who comes in every two weeks with an oxygen tank and she wears a MASK. Whoever cashes her out also helps her pack up her groceries because she clearly struggles. Sorry for the long winded post but I'm just as tired of the mandates as the protesters. However I understand why mandates have been necessary and will not put my frustrations on other people. It's just plain fucking selfish. Ugh, I’m sorry - it’s like these people are spoiling for a fight or confrontation. Like adolescents with oppositional defiant disorder. 😒 Next time someone says they’re medically exempt - and tries that on you, simply ask them nicely why a medically exempt person would ask that. Put it back on them. It’s not on you to prove it doesn’t work.  |
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Post by pixiechick on Feb 9, 2022 7:03:56 GMT
You all do realize that the mask/vax card mandates are going to be gone in probably a few short months, don't you?? I for one, can't wait to be done with the ridiculousness and hypocrisy that these politicians have caused.... Several Democrats are already pulling back on their mask mandates. You're definitely out of the loop on that one. It is not peaceful. Demonstrators harassed a soup kitchen demanding free food. They have been harassing ordinary citizens out walking about with a mask on. They have defaced the Terry Fox statue and the Unknown Soldier memorial. And just this week some tried to start a fire in an apartment building and tape the doors shut. I don't give a shit what people say about masks and whether they work or not - it is hurting NOBODY for a person to be out and about in a crowd, trying to get to work, to wear a mask. NO reason at all to harass them and threaten them. Summer of 2020 we had looting here, cops attacked, cars destroyed, aggressive intimidation and harassment by people with a large mob backing them up- intimidation of people minding their own business eating outside at restaurants, people getting IN their face and screaming aggressively at them to "say his name", they had no idea the person they were screaming at was on their side nor do I think they cared, grabbing a seat at someone's table at another place -eating their food, drinking their drink and daring them to do anything (once again, with a giant mob behind them) same thing just walking by outside diners at another, attempted murder by arson, actual murder by arson, billions of dollars of damage to cities, etc. A state senator and his wife were mobbed by a threatening crowd screaming at him to "say her name", the cops could barely protect them as they made their way out of a building. These were all DISMISSED AS "MOSTLY PEACEFUL" by the same people outraged about THIS protest. And mocking and fighting anyone who objected to what was happening all across the country. It's OK for Republicans to protest for selfish "freedoms", but Democrats protesting for racial justice is unacceptable and needs a crackdown. Link to one time anyone here said it was NOT okay to protest for racial injustice. Just one. "“The party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command.” - George Orwell This is where the "BELIEVERS" are now." Interesting take from Mike Rowe on Let's Go Brandon" that goes along with your point: How discussion works is when you make a claim, you provide evidence for the claim. The problem with that is the majority here don't accept any fact that goes against their beliefs. Even when it's from their own accepted sources. Protests notwithstanding, nearly 90% of Canada's truckers are fully vaccinated and eligible to cross the border, the Canadian government said. Doesn't mean many of them aren't against the mandates and participating in the protest. Protesting is fine. Taking over a downtown for days is not. Not for left or right. No matter how mad you are, you have no right to ruin someone’s trade and constantly disturb residents. You didn't object to it in 2020. I will say it again (and probably again and again) you are always going to get your nutbags waving a horrible flag. Its not anywhere near a white supremacist/nazi rally.  "Today in the House, Members of Parliament unanimously condemned the antisemitism, Islamophobia, anti-Black racism, homophobia, and transphobia that we've seen on display in Ottawa over the past number of days. Together, let's keep working to make Canada more inclusive." Said by this guy:  Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau And people who destroyed property should have been arrested and charged. Don’t forget though ,that some of the violence involved clashes between left an right-wing groups. But yep, if you are setting fires or destroying property, then your ass should be in jail. Low bail and Kamala encouraging people to donate to get them out of jail, wasn't much of a deterrent. It encouraged it to keep happening. No, they have just taken over the downtown for days, Since Jan 29th, and clogged the area with their vehicles. They have harassed residents and kept them awake with their air horns. Again, that was dismissed and defended in Portland. It's a peaceful protest!!! And it didn't matter at that time to all who were justifying the riots during summer 2020. Once again Those people carrying Trump flags and confederate flags and nazi symbols can just piss the hell off! I don't think ANYONE here disagrees with you. Poor truckers, being asked to get a shot. No, they are NOT being ASKED. THAT'S the problem. I believe you are correct. 2peasrefugees.boards.net/post/1542054/thread Feb 20, 2017 at 5:22pm Post by cindosha on Feb 20, 2017 at 5:22pm So should protesters who stand in traffic, block freeways, etc. I swear that if a protester stopped me in my car from getting where I wanted to go, I'd hit 'em. Cindy I thought it was a no-no here to leave out context? You completely left out her clarification: "I didn't say anything about killing anyone. I'd move them out of my way by slowly moving my car forward. I NEVER said KILL!! Geez." You also left out the other peas who agreed with her and who they are. According to Olan it was at least 10? Context? That doesn't apply to you? Many peas have shown actual facts and evidence that it's not peaceful and yet you continue to deny and deflect. Sounds like 2020 all over again. Just like many on the left said we support protests for racial justice but condemn the violence. When something is your opinion, you say "I think X"... So, if it's your opinion that these protests are "peaceful", state it that way. In fact, that is EXACTLY what she said AND did. "Personally I THINK it’s members of the left or progressives who are infiltrating the protest and doing all the crazy confederate/nazi flag waving bullshit there." Take your own advice, zima "Be intellectually rigorous. Identify your biases, your prejudices, your privileges." |
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Feb 9, 2022 11:37:35 GMT
This was largely funded by fringe Republicans from the USA, amplified by Fox News and Donald Trump. Did you see the messages from various US politicians? I'm not good with adding twitter attachments but from.. Attorney General Ken Paxton from Texas.P"atriotic Texans donated to Canadian truckers’ worthy cause using GoFundMe. This BLM-backing company went woke, froze the funds, & failed to deliver Texans’ money. Today I assembled a team to investigate their potential fraud & deception. Texas donors will get Justice! #GoFundMe" Gov. Ron DeSantis: "It is a fraud for @gofundme to commandeer $9M in donations sent to support truckers and give it to causes of their own choosing. I will work with @agashleymoody to investigate these deceptive practices — these donors should be given a refund. The Attorney General of West Virginia and Louisiana are investigating. Trucker Convoy- US Republicans vow to probeFor the record, they can get their money back, they just have to apply within the next 10 days. Imagine Republicans trying to overthrow and elected government in a foreign land. I don’t think what the Republican fuckers are saying is true—go fund me cannot arbitrarily give donations to another organization—I believe they refunded the original donors. (They did.) But of course the republicans are going to outright lie about what actually happened, because that’s what those republicans do—lie. |
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Post by monklady123 on Feb 9, 2022 11:59:12 GMT
I live in Ottawa and I have to say our police force sucks. Instead of trying to maintain any semblance of law and order they are allowing the protestors to set up structures, a food kitchen, bonfires etc in a downtown park. A downtown park where I might add a bunch of homeless people were evicted from a while ago for daring to hang a tarp between 2 trees. They are also allowed to set up a staging area in a city run parking lot. One of our largest malls has been closed for 7 days now and no plan on re-opening. A ton of minimum wage workers are being denied their right to earn a wage. A bunch of downtown restaurants that have closed off and on during lockdowns are finally allowed to open as of last Monday. Except no one can get to them to deliver supplies, the workers can't get to work and even if they could who wants to eat in a restaurant with the sound of constant truck horns and the smell of diesel Our mayor is not running for re-elections so he is doing nothing. Our police force apparently has a large contingent of good old boys who would rather party with the protestors than enforce law and order. Our useless tool of a Prime Minister is hiding out. It is a complete shit show and somebody is going to end up dead or seriously injured. Ugh, I’m sorry. That sounds awful. And you are right, there are real consequences to everyday people for actions like this.  You’ve gotta love how these people are perfectly fine in trampling over the rights of others, while demanding freedom. But *your* freedom isn't important, only *theirs* is. You must have forgotten that part.   Also, I've finally sat down to read this long thread after seeing a story on CNN yesterday about it. I will confess that I haven't been paying a lot of attention, although of course I'd heard of it. I am wondering what's brought this thread to 7 pages, lol. We will see... Not sure I'll have time to read the whole thing before I have to go to school. |
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Post by mollycoddle on Feb 9, 2022 12:02:12 GMT
You all do realize that the mask/vax card mandates are going to be gone in probably a few short months, don't you?? I for one, can't wait to be done with the ridiculousness and hypocrisy that these politicians have caused.... Several Democrats are already pulling back on their mask mandates. You're definitely out of the loop on that one. It is not peaceful. Demonstrators harassed a soup kitchen demanding free food. They have been harassing ordinary citizens out walking about with a mask on. They have defaced the Terry Fox statue and the Unknown Soldier memorial. And just this week some tried to start a fire in an apartment building and tape the doors shut. I don't give a shit what people say about masks and whether they work or not - it is hurting NOBODY for a person to be out and about in a crowd, trying to get to work, to wear a mask. NO reason at all to harass them and threaten them. Summer of 2020 we had looting here, cops attacked, cars destroyed, aggressive intimidation and harassment by people with a large mob backing them up- intimidation of people minding their own business eating outside at restaurants, people getting IN their face and screaming aggressively at them to "say his name", they had no idea the person they were screaming at was on their side nor do I think they cared, grabbing a seat at someone's table at another place -eating their food, drinking their drink and daring them to do anything (once again, with a giant mob behind them) same thing just walking by outside diners at another, attempted murder by arson, actual murder by arson, billions of dollars of damage to cities, etc. A state senator and his wife were mobbed by a threatening crowd screaming at him to "say her name", the cops could barely protect them as they made their way out of a building. These were all DISMISSED AS "MOSTLY PEACEFUL" by the same people outraged about THIS protest. And mocking and fighting anyone who objected to what was happening all across the country. It's OK for Republicans to protest for selfish "freedoms", but Democrats protesting for racial justice is unacceptable and needs a crackdown. Link to one time anyone here said it was NOT okay to protest for racial injustice. Just one. "“The party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command.” - George Orwell This is where the "BELIEVERS" are now." Interesting take from Mike Rowe on Let's Go Brandon" that goes along with your point: How discussion works is when you make a claim, you provide evidence for the claim. The problem with that is the majority here don't accept any fact that goes against their beliefs. Even when it's from their own accepted sources. Protests notwithstanding, nearly 90% of Canada's truckers are fully vaccinated and eligible to cross the border, the Canadian government said. Doesn't mean many of them aren't against the mandates and participating in the protest. Protesting is fine. Taking over a downtown for days is not. Not for left or right. No matter how mad you are, you have no right to ruin someone’s trade and constantly disturb residents. You didn't object to it in 2020. I will say it again (and probably again and again) you are always going to get your nutbags waving a horrible flag. Its not anywhere near a white supremacist/nazi rally. "Today in the House, Members of Parliament unanimously condemned the antisemitism, Islamophobia, anti-Black racism, homophobia, and transphobia that we've seen on display in Ottawa over the past number of days. Together, let's keep working to make Canada more inclusive." Said by this guy: Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau And people who destroyed property should have been arrested and charged. Don’t forget though ,that some of the violence involved clashes between left an right-wing groups. But yep, if you are setting fires or destroying property, then your ass should be in jail. Low bail and Kamala encouraging people to donate to get them out of jail, wasn't much of a deterrent. It encouraged it to keep happening. No, they have just taken over the downtown for days, Since Jan 29th, and clogged the area with their vehicles. They have harassed residents and kept them awake with their air horns. Again, that was dismissed and defended in Portland. It's a peaceful protest!!! And it didn't matter at that time to all who were justifying the riots during summer 2020. Once again Those people carrying Trump flags and confederate flags and nazi symbols can just piss the hell off! I don't think ANYONE here disagrees with you. Poor truckers, being asked to get a shot. No, they are NOT being ASKED. THAT'S the problem. I believe you are correct. 2peasrefugees.boards.net/post/1542054/thread Feb 20, 2017 at 5:22pm Post by cindosha on Feb 20, 2017 at 5:22pm So should protesters who stand in traffic, block freeways, etc. I swear that if a protester stopped me in my car from getting where I wanted to go, I'd hit 'em. Cindy I thought it was a no-no here to leave out context? You completely left out her clarification: "I didn't say anything about killing anyone. I'd move them out of my way by slowly moving my car forward. I NEVER said KILL!! Geez." You also left out the other peas who agreed with her and who they are. According to Olan it was at least 10? Context? That doesn't apply to you? Many peas have shown actual facts and evidence that it's not peaceful and yet you continue to deny and deflect. Sounds like 2020 all over again. Just like many on the left said we support protests for racial justice but condemn the violence. When something is your opinion, you say "I think X"... So, if it's your opinion that these protests are "peaceful", state it that way. In fact, that is EXACTLY what she said AND did. "Personally I THINK it’s members of the left or progressives who are infiltrating the protest and doing all the crazy confederate/nazi flag waving bullshit there." Take your own advice, zima "Be intellectually rigorous. Identify your biases, your prejudices, your privileges." Well, I don’t remember if I announced it here or not; I had a lot of family stuff going on that summer and fall- but believe it or not, I have always felt that way. Riots are not ok in my book, no matter who it is. But I think that protests are fine, as long as they are temporary and nonviolent.. This is not really a protest; it has turned into an occupation. |
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Post by sawwhet on Feb 9, 2022 12:07:14 GMT
I think what people also need to realize is that the Conservative Party of Canada are not like the Republicans in the US. They are Social Conservatives. They aren't far right, they are right centre. The Liberals are left centre. There are other parties that are further left and further right. Prior to the Liberal Gov't in Ottawa, we had Stephen Harper's Conservative gov't in power. There were differences but our social programs were pretty much identical.
The Conservative Party shot themselves in the foot years back when they joined with the Reform Party of Canada who were the further right often Christian, conservatives. There has been of inner fighting in the party ever since.
There is also the People's Party of Canada which is far right.
Many of the protestors are part of the "hard" right conservatives group within the UCP or the People's Party of Canada. The interesting thing is that they are starting to split votes within the Conservative groups making it harder for them to get a majority in parliament. I have a friend who is an avid gun enthusiast. He and his friends were having a FB discussion on whether it would be beneficial to collectively vote Conservative or PPC. If they vote PPC, they are splitting the conservative vote making it more difficult for the Conservatives to win or win with a majority.
People like my friend "Dave" watch way too much Fox news and Tucker Carlson who has absolutely no idea how Canada works politically. He refers to right and left like we have 2 extreme major parties on opposite ends of the spectrum and the Liberals and Conservatives are not. In many respects, the Conservative gov't of Canada is more social than the US Democrats.
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Post by aj2hall on Feb 9, 2022 12:44:01 GMT
Violence on either side of the political spectrum is unacceptable. Full stop. No deflection.
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Post by cindosha on Feb 9, 2022 12:59:33 GMT
Violence on either side of the political spectrum is unacceptable. Full stop. No deflection. If you are referring to the trucker protest, I have seen absolutely zero violence. |
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Post by cindosha on Feb 9, 2022 13:02:15 GMT
My friend who is a truck driver, got stuck in the USA at the Ambassador Bridge. She is Canadian and couldn't get her truck back into Canada because the protestors where blocking that side of the bridge. She stayed overnight in a hotel. This morning she had to try the Sarnia crossing. Which happened to be under maintance so it was slow going. She was sitting in her truck in a long line of trucks. Took a picture and and posted her view from her truck. She finally 5 hours later got home. She's pissed. Many business in downtown Ottawa had to close. I saw numourous posts on social media to boycott Tim Hortons because they were closed. Huh, they closed like other businesses because unmasked protesters were coming in. Masks are required to enter a business. People are now losing money due to this protest. As a minimum wager I can't afford to be out of work for this period of time. And yet those protesters aren't working and causing hardship on businesses and their workers. The noise from the horns alone would be unbareable. And what did Doug Ford do? Hope everyone just put their anger towards Justin Trudeau. Our Prime Minister can't just go in and do something because he needs for Ford to ask for help. Why isn't Ford doing that? How long must this go on in Ottawa and at the Ambassador Bridge? As grocery store cashier, I experienced a lot of rude customers last Thursday to Friday. We require customers to wear a mask OR face covering. A whole bunch of unmasked people came. Many when asked if they'd take a mask said that it's their Freedom to not wear a mask. I seriously wanted to ask them if they would also take off their shoes and shirts which are also required to enter. Many of these unmasked people were asked to leave. We have gotten unmasked people before (several of our regulars do wear a face shield instead) but never so many in two days and so defiant. If the customer says they are medically exempt, then we can't make them leave. However we also don't have to cash them out either. They can use self checkout. Which brings me to the odd customer on Monday I had. I called over the next customer, she came over and I noticed no mask or face shield. She started putting her stuff down right away. I stopped and kindly asked "Would you like a mask?" "No, I'm medically exempt." "I'm sorry but I don't serve maskless people." "Does it work?" Blinked in surprise. "What is suppose to work?' "Your mask." And she gave me this big smile like it was an AH HA moment. "Well I hope so since it has a filter. But if we both wore masks or a face covering, it helps protect us BOTH." with the most cheerful voice I could muster. I didn't move. She hmfphed and picked up her groceries. Instead of going to self check out, she tried the next cashier, then the next one and got to the last one who later told me she just decided it was better to get her out fast before she made a scene. What I wanted to tell her "If you are medically exempt, it doesn't mean the virus can't get to you. Also if you get COVID, you have a higher viral level hence why you are more contagious and more likely to end up in the hospital." Which I can't say. And I don't really understand why a medically exempt person would ask if the mask works. Makes no sense. We have a regular customer who comes in every two weeks with an oxygen tank and she wears a MASK. Whoever cashes her out also helps her pack up her groceries because she clearly struggles. Sorry for the long winded post but I'm just as tired of the mandates as the protesters. However I understand why mandates have been necessary and will not put my frustrations on other people. It's just plain fucking selfish.
You won't have to worry about mask mandates for too long, the mandates are falling into the toilet fast and furious everywhere. I give it a month before we will be done with them. |
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Post by cindosha on Feb 9, 2022 13:07:07 GMT
I never said it was a bad idea/bad action. I think it’s great. Hey, they could be like antifa/blm riots. But it is totally not. A party is much better than a riot. There is another option. Instead of supporting the truckers who are causing major disruptions and anything but peaceful, you could say I oppose vaccine mandates and support the opposition to them but condemn the violence and disruptions. Just like many on the left said we support protests for racial justice but condemn the violence. Since you insist on bringing up the black lives matter protests, here is some factual information on them. They were mostly peaceful despite whatever you may have seen on Fox or other right wing media. The Fox entertainers lost any remaining journalistic integrity and ethics when they essentially became advisors to the White House and contacted the chief of staff directly. Fox talk shows essentially became an extension of the White House, a form of state run media. www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2018/09/21/line-between-trump-fox-news-isnt-blurry-it-barely-exists/thehill.com/hilltv/rising/411436-fox-news-contributor-there-is-no-separation-between-fox-news-and-the-trumpwww.washingtonpost.com/politics/2020/10/16/this-summers-black-lives-matter-protesters-were-overwhelming-peaceful-our-research-finds/Here is what we have found based on the 7,305 events we’ve collected. The overall levels of violence and property destruction were low, and most of the violence that did take place was, in fact, directed against the BLM protesters.
First, police made arrests in 5 percent of the protest events, with over 8,500 reported arrests (or possibly more). Police used tear gas or related chemical substances in 2.5 percent of these events.Protesters or bystanders were reported injured in 1.6 percent of the protests. In total, at least three Black Lives Matter protesters and one other person were killed while protesting in Omaha, Austin and Kenosha, Wis. One anti-fascist protester killed a far-right group member during a confrontation in Portland, Ore.; law enforcement killed the alleged assailant several days later.Police were reported injured in 1 percent of the protests. A law enforcement officer killed in California was allegedly shot by supporters of the far-right “boogaloo” movement, not anti-racism protesters. The killings in the line of duty of other law enforcement officers during this period were not related to the protests.
Only 3.7 percent of the protests involved property damage or vandalism. Some portion of these involved neither police nor protesters, but people engaging in vandalism or looting alongside the protests.
In short, our data suggest that 96.3 percent of events involved no property damage or police injuries, and in 97.7 percent of events, no injuries were reported among participants, bystanders or police.
These figures should correct the narrative that the protests were overtaken by rioting and vandalism or violence. Such claims are false. Incidents in which there was protester violence or property destruction should be regarded as exceptional — and not representative of the uprising as a whole.
In many instances, police reportedly began or escalated the violence, but some observers nevertheless blame the protesters. The claim that the protests are violent — even when the police started the violence — can help local, state and federal forces justify intentionally beating, gassing or kettling the people marching, or reinforces politicians’ calls for “law and order.”
I would have condemned any violence...if there was any in the truckers protest. Disruptions are a result of any protest, that's the whole point. AND I've been against the mandates for a very long time. Nobody should lose their jobs because of their freedom of choice. And children should not be masked and double masked in schools.....I am particularly against that one. |
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Post by compeateropeator on Feb 9, 2022 13:13:22 GMT
Then you would think reasonable people would suck it up, deal with it for another month and continue to move on with their lives…as many of those protesting them profess that is all they want. 🤷♀️
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Post by Merge on Feb 9, 2022 13:14:03 GMT
I don’t know how I missed this gem. 🙄 Accuse the opposition of what you are doing. Gaslighting 101. POS. I think this might be the new Republican tactic. When someone does something reprehensible, waves offensive flags, etc accuse the left of being there in disguise. Similar to the completely unfounded accusations of the Jan 6 insurrection. Until it's shown that it was, in fact, right-wing people who did it. Then it's "totally peaceful," "legitimate political discourse," etc. |
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Post by rickmer on Feb 9, 2022 13:24:20 GMT
You won't have to worry about mask mandates for too long, the mandates are falling into the toilet fast and furious everywhere. I give it a month before we will be done with them. while this may be true (and i highly doubt it), i don't think it will change that many people's behaviour right away. our restaurants just opened up last week (at 50% capacity) after *another* lockdown (they had just opened in the summer after being closed for about 6 months or so). i can't see us going from lockdown to foot loose and fancy free in few short weeks. plus, the majority wear their masks here without making a big freaking deal about it. i think it has become the norm and will take people time to feel comfortable not wearing masks again after 2 years of this being an every day thing. and i have respect for people like OntarioScrapper who have to work with the public each and every day, that i WILL continue to wear a mask in stores. |
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Post by cindosha on Feb 9, 2022 13:27:09 GMT
There is another option. Instead of supporting the truckers who are causing major disruptions and anything but peaceful, you could say I oppose vaccine mandates and support the opposition to them but condemn the violence and disruptions. Just like many on the left said we support protests for racial justice but condemn the violence. Since you insist on bringing up the black lives matter protests, here is some factual information on them. They were mostly peaceful despite whatever you may have seen on Fox or other right wing media. The Fox entertainers lost any remaining journalistic integrity and ethics when they essentially became advisors to the White House and contacted the chief of staff directly. Fox talk shows essentially became an extension of the White House, a form of state run media. www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2018/09/21/line-between-trump-fox-news-isnt-blurry-it-barely-exists/thehill.com/hilltv/rising/411436-fox-news-contributor-there-is-no-separation-between-fox-news-and-the-trumpwww.washingtonpost.com/politics/2020/10/16/this-summers-black-lives-matter-protesters-were-overwhelming-peaceful-our-research-finds/Here is what we have found based on the 7,305 events we’ve collected. The overall levels of violence and property destruction were low, and most of the violence that did take place was, in fact, directed against the BLM protesters.
First, police made arrests in 5 percent of the protest events, with over 8,500 reported arrests (or possibly more). Police used tear gas or related chemical substances in 2.5 percent of these events.Protesters or bystanders were reported injured in 1.6 percent of the protests. In total, at least three Black Lives Matter protesters and one other person were killed while protesting in Omaha, Austin and Kenosha, Wis. One anti-fascist protester killed a far-right group member during a confrontation in Portland, Ore.; law enforcement killed the alleged assailant several days later.Police were reported injured in 1 percent of the protests. A law enforcement officer killed in California was allegedly shot by supporters of the far-right “boogaloo” movement, not anti-racism protesters. The killings in the line of duty of other law enforcement officers during this period were not related to the protests.
Only 3.7 percent of the protests involved property damage or vandalism. Some portion of these involved neither police nor protesters, but people engaging in vandalism or looting alongside the protests.
In short, our data suggest that 96.3 percent of events involved no property damage or police injuries, and in 97.7 percent of events, no injuries were reported among participants, bystanders or police.
These figures should correct the narrative that the protests were overtaken by rioting and vandalism or violence. Such claims are false. Incidents in which there was protester violence or property destruction should be regarded as exceptional — and not representative of the uprising as a whole.
In many instances, police reportedly began or escalated the violence, but some observers nevertheless blame the protesters. The claim that the protests are violent — even when the police started the violence — can help local, state and federal forces justify intentionally beating, gassing or kettling the people marching, or reinforces politicians’ calls for “law and order.”
I would have condemned any violence...if there was any in the truckers protest. Disruptions are a result of any protest, that's the whole point. AND I've been against the mandates for a very long time. Nobody should lose their jobs because of their freedom of choice. And children should not be masked and double masked in schools.....I am particularly against that one. Here are some more facts on that issue: How long did Protesters Occupy Portland? George Floyd protests in Portland, Oregon Part of the 2020–2021 United States racial unrest, the Black Lives Matter movement, the George Floyd protests in Oregon, and the George Floyd protests Date May 28, 2020 (1 year, 8 months, 1 week and 3 days) Location Portland, Oregon, United States www.npr.org/sections/live-updates-protests-for-racial-justice/2020/07/20/893082598/they-just-started-whaling-violence-tension-as-u-s-agents-clamp-down-in-portlandabcnews.go.com/US/year-protests-portland-residents-waning-patience-antifa/story?id=77511470www.koin.com/is-portland-over/surprised-about-portland-protests-you-dont-know-portland/So before you put the truckers protest in the same category as what I just linked....think again. And that's just ONE city. It happened in several cities around the country. |
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Post by cindosha on Feb 9, 2022 13:31:22 GMT
I think this might be the new Republican tactic. When someone does something reprehensible, waves offensive flags, etc accuse the left of being there in disguise. Similar to the completely unfounded accusations of the Jan 6 insurrection. Until it's shown that it was, in fact, right-wing people who did it. Then it's "totally peaceful," "legitimate political discourse," etc.
Until it's shown that it was, in fact, right-wing people who did it. Then it's "totally peaceful," "legitimate political discourse," etc.
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Post by Merge on Feb 9, 2022 13:48:45 GMT
If these were left-wing protests, our troll here would be advocating having the police/military go in with tear gas, rubber bullets, and tasers to disperse the crowd. You know, like we do here in the US, where our president allowed actual peaceful protesters to be tear-gassed so he could cross the street for a photo op.
And of course, let's not forget that people in the US were protesting actual injustice. Protesting the unwarranted killing of black men by police. Those snowflakes in Canada are mad because they might need to get a shot or wear a mask during a global health pandemic.
Bunch of loser assholes, if you ask me. One group has legitimate grievance, and the other is a bunch of whiny toddlers.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 9, 2022 14:08:03 GMT
The problem with that is the majority here don't accept any fact that goes against their beliefs. Even when it's from their own accepted sources. You just made a claim. Please back it up with evidence, data, analysis. I accept facts regardless of who posts them - as long as they are facts and not opinions dressed up as facts. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 9, 2022 14:11:37 GMT
I thought it was a no-no here to leave out context? You completely left out her clarification: "I didn't say anything about killing anyone. I'd move them out of my way by slowly moving my car forward. I NEVER said KILL!! Geez." You also left out the other peas who agreed with her and who they are. According to Olan it was at least 10? Context? That doesn't apply to you? I didn't say she'd kill anyone. I posted her words in their entirety. She posted about "well geez, I wouldn't kill them" later and it's beside the point. The POINT is she'd HIT them! In fact, that is EXACTLY what she said AND did. "Personally I THINK it’s members of the left or progressives who are infiltrating the protest and doing all the crazy confederate/nazi flag waving bullshit there." Yes, in that instance she said "I think". If you were paying attention, you'd realize I was calling her out on her other statements about the truckers not being a fringe minority - which she stated AS A FACT. FFS. Can you at least pay attention and argue the points that are being presented. |
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Post by cindosha on Feb 9, 2022 14:15:18 GMT
You all do realize that the mask/vax card mandates are going to be gone in probably a few short months, don't you?? I for one, can't wait to be done with the ridiculousness and hypocrisy that these politicians have caused.... Several Democrats are already pulling back on their mask mandates. You're definitely out of the loop on that one. It is not peaceful. Demonstrators harassed a soup kitchen demanding free food. They have been harassing ordinary citizens out walking about with a mask on. They have defaced the Terry Fox statue and the Unknown Soldier memorial. And just this week some tried to start a fire in an apartment building and tape the doors shut. I don't give a shit what people say about masks and whether they work or not - it is hurting NOBODY for a person to be out and about in a crowd, trying to get to work, to wear a mask. NO reason at all to harass them and threaten them. Summer of 2020 we had looting here, cops attacked, cars destroyed, aggressive intimidation and harassment by people with a large mob backing them up- intimidation of people minding their own business eating outside at restaurants, people getting IN their face and screaming aggressively at them to "say his name", they had no idea the person they were screaming at was on their side nor do I think they cared, grabbing a seat at someone's table at another place -eating their food, drinking their drink and daring them to do anything (once again, with a giant mob behind them) same thing just walking by outside diners at another, attempted murder by arson, actual murder by arson, billions of dollars of damage to cities, etc. A state senator and his wife were mobbed by a threatening crowd screaming at him to "say her name", the cops could barely protect them as they made their way out of a building. These were all DISMISSED AS "MOSTLY PEACEFUL" by the same people outraged about THIS protest. And mocking and fighting anyone who objected to what was happening all across the country. It's OK for Republicans to protest for selfish "freedoms", but Democrats protesting for racial justice is unacceptable and needs a crackdown. Link to one time anyone here said it was NOT okay to protest for racial injustice. Just one. "“The party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command.” - George Orwell This is where the "BELIEVERS" are now." Interesting take from Mike Rowe on Let's Go Brandon" that goes along with your point: How discussion works is when you make a claim, you provide evidence for the claim. The problem with that is the majority here don't accept any fact that goes against their beliefs. Even when it's from their own accepted sources. Protests notwithstanding, nearly 90% of Canada's truckers are fully vaccinated and eligible to cross the border, the Canadian government said. Doesn't mean many of them aren't against the mandates and participating in the protest. Protesting is fine. Taking over a downtown for days is not. Not for left or right. No matter how mad you are, you have no right to ruin someone’s trade and constantly disturb residents. You didn't object to it in 2020. I will say it again (and probably again and again) you are always going to get your nutbags waving a horrible flag. Its not anywhere near a white supremacist/nazi rally. "Today in the House, Members of Parliament unanimously condemned the antisemitism, Islamophobia, anti-Black racism, homophobia, and transphobia that we've seen on display in Ottawa over the past number of days. Together, let's keep working to make Canada more inclusive." Said by this guy: Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau And people who destroyed property should have been arrested and charged. Don’t forget though ,that some of the violence involved clashes between left an right-wing groups. But yep, if you are setting fires or destroying property, then your ass should be in jail. Low bail and Kamala encouraging people to donate to get them out of jail, wasn't much of a deterrent. It encouraged it to keep happening. No, they have just taken over the downtown for days, Since Jan 29th, and clogged the area with their vehicles. They have harassed residents and kept them awake with their air horns. Again, that was dismissed and defended in Portland. It's a peaceful protest!!! And it didn't matter at that time to all who were justifying the riots during summer 2020. Once again Those people carrying Trump flags and confederate flags and nazi symbols can just piss the hell off! I don't think ANYONE here disagrees with you. Poor truckers, being asked to get a shot. No, they are NOT being ASKED. THAT'S the problem. I believe you are correct. 2peasrefugees.boards.net/post/1542054/thread Feb 20, 2017 at 5:22pm Post by cindosha on Feb 20, 2017 at 5:22pm So should protesters who stand in traffic, block freeways, etc. I swear that if a protester stopped me in my car from getting where I wanted to go, I'd hit 'em. Cindy I thought it was a no-no here to leave out context? You completely left out her clarification: "I didn't say anything about killing anyone. I'd move them out of my way by slowly moving my car forward. I NEVER said KILL!! Geez." You also left out the other peas who agreed with her and who they are. According to Olan it was at least 10? Context? That doesn't apply to you? Many peas have shown actual facts and evidence that it's not peaceful and yet you continue to deny and deflect. Sounds like 2020 all over again. Just like many on the left said we support protests for racial justice but condemn the violence. When something is your opinion, you say "I think X"... So, if it's your opinion that these protests are "peaceful", state it that way. In fact, that is EXACTLY what she said AND did. "Personally I THINK it’s members of the left or progressives who are infiltrating the protest and doing all the crazy confederate/nazi flag waving bullshit there." Take your own advice, zima "Be intellectually rigorous. Identify your biases, your prejudices, your privileges." Thank you, I couldn't have said it better, and I wish I had!!! hahahaha!! |
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Post by cindosha on Feb 9, 2022 14:17:16 GMT
I thought it was a no-no here to leave out context? You completely left out her clarification: "I didn't say anything about killing anyone. I'd move them out of my way by slowly moving my car forward. I NEVER said KILL!! Geez." You also left out the other peas who agreed with her and who they are. According to Olan it was at least 10? Context? That doesn't apply to you? I didn't say she'd kill anyone. I posted her words in their entirety. She posted about "well geez, I wouldn't kill them" later and it's beside the point. The POINT is she'd HIT them! In fact, that is EXACTLY what she said AND did. "Personally I THINK it’s members of the left or progressives who are infiltrating the protest and doing all the crazy confederate/nazi flag waving bullshit there." Yes, in that instance she said "I think". If you were paying attention, you'd realize I was calling her out on her other statements about the truckers not being a fringe minority - which she stated AS A FACT. FFS. Can you at least pay attention and argue the points that are being presented. I think we can all agree that it's bigger than a fringe minority at this point. Just because trudeau says it is, doesn't make it so!!! |
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