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Post by zima on Feb 23, 2022 15:01:52 GMT
I’ll just repeat what I’ve said before here: you literally couldn’t pay me enough money for that job. LOL. And I'd take her job (and its perks) for FAR FAR less than she gets So, yeah. Different strokes.
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Post by gar on Feb 23, 2022 15:07:29 GMT
It may well come to be that Andrew is removed from being one of the 4, among other things. He could be replaced by Anne perhaps or quite possibly the Duchess of Cambridge or even Edward.
These things don’t happen overnight 🙂
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Post by gar on Feb 23, 2022 15:11:40 GMT
To be fair, their workload is nothing compared to most people slogging it out out there, taking buses to work after dropping their kids at haphazard daycares. She wakes up, has meals prepared, kids are (were) nannied, she's chauffeured or jetted to her "work" for that day. Meets w/a charity or group for 20-120 minutes, is whisked to the next meeting/appt for the day (if any), gets back in the chauffeured vehicle/jet, goes back to an immaculately clean manor house, where dinner has been prepared, gets a message or workout, spends time w/family. Has several days "off" before she does it again. I'd do it in a heartbeat to live as she lives. With the codicil that I know next to nothing about her daily life, I’ll just repeat what I’ve said before here: you literally couldn’t pay me enough money for that job. LOL. . Me neither. Yes they have everything materially but their lives are not their own - certainly not the senior Royals. Their time is given to duty, to things that are probably very boring and repetitive a lot of the time and I certainly don’t want to be working when I’m 95 however light ‘duties’ may be.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 23, 2022 15:18:35 GMT
Counsellors of State are authorised to carry out most of the official duties of the Sovereign, for example, attending Privy Council meetings, signing routine documents and receiving the credentials of new ambassadors to the United Kingdom. Is Andrew one of four eligible to be appointed CoS currently? I thought I read he is. Yes, but I'm sure you knew that! He's not eligible " to be appointed" now, he already is and has been for years been in that position. .From the British constitution and his birth right he is still in line to the throne be it way down after the others. Historically since the Counsellors of state have been in being it is the first four in line to the throne that holds the position. The 3rd and 4th at the present time are minors so the 5th & 6th are, for the immediate future, filling their places. The above info is for educational purposes only. I do not wish to start discussing what you or any other non British peas believe what our constitution should be like or what should be changed because others don't happen to approve of it or the Monarchy.
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Post by zima on Feb 23, 2022 15:20:14 GMT
Their time is given to duty, to things that are probably very boring and repetitiveLike most people's jobs who work for low wages and NONE of the perks of housekeepers, chefs, shoppers, chauffeurs, gardeners, nannies, etc. Given the choice between the duty-bound lives of the poor and lower-middle class w/none of the perks and the choice of the "duty-bound" lives of the royals w/their millions of perks, it's no contest which is better, imo. And as to retiring, they don't have to work to 95. They can retire or cite an illness/condition if they so choose - especially the non-monarch ones. Or they can limit their meetings w/their charities to only meetings where the charities come to them, etc.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 23, 2022 15:32:16 GMT
I think after Harry (6) and his children (7 & 8) it is Andrew (9) then Beatrice (10) and baby (11) and Eugenia (12). But I have no idea if this is how they choose the COS. Anne’s a workhorse, she’s impressive. Does she even have time in her schedule to take on more?I’m glad you mentioned Princess Anne. Throughout these threads - the workload is so very light…none of these people have ever worked a day in their lives - I wondered about how she fit into the narrative. I THOUGHT that I knew that she has a reputation for a dogged devotion to her causes/obligations, but I wasn’t sure I remembered that right. Who hasn't worked a day in their lives? As for working outside of their commitment to their causes and the Monarchy, Prince Charles was in the Navy for years. Prince William was in the RAF and following that was a Helicopter Emergency rescue pilot until such time that matters pertaining to the Monarchy was too much of a work load for the Queen to carry them all out herself. Prince Andrew was also in the Navy for a number of years. Prince Edward also independently worked for some years before it became a conflict of interest to be in business as well as being a senior member of the Royal Family.
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Post by amp on Feb 23, 2022 15:54:03 GMT
I’m glad you mentioned Princess Anne. Throughout these threads - the workload is so very light…none of these people have ever worked a day in their lives - I wondered about how she fit into the narrative. I THOUGHT that I knew that she has a reputation for a dogged devotion to her causes/obligations, but I wasn’t sure I remembered that right. Who hasn't worked a day in their lives? As for working outside of their commitment to their causes and the Monarchy, Prince Charles was in the Navy for years. Prince William was in the RAF and following that was a Helicopter Emergency rescue pilot until such time that matters pertaining to the Monarchy was too much of a work load for the Queen to carry them all out herself. Prince Andrew was also in the Navy for a number of years. Prince Edward also independently worked for some years before it became a conflict of interest to be in business as well as being a senior member of the Royal Family. I also would like to add that the British Royal Family helps the UK in many ways -- raising awareness for charitable causes is one, but they boost the British economy. For example, the "Kate effect"...everything she (and her children) wears sells out everywhere. Then there is also the increase in tourism. I would guess that the boost to the economy is far bigger than anything they get from taxpayers. I'm an American, but I am sad seeing people say Kate and the BRF doesn't work...I think they work very hard. HM has Covid, for goodness sake, and is still carrying out light duties...at 96!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 23, 2022 16:01:12 GMT
With the codicil that I know next to nothing about her daily life, I’ll just repeat what I’ve said before here: you literally couldn’t pay me enough money for that job. LOL. . Me neither. Yes they have everything materially but their lives are not their own - certainly not the senior Royals. Their time is given to duty, to things that are probably very boring and repetitive a lot of the time and I certainly don’t want to be working when I’m 95 however light ‘duties’ may be. I wouldn't like her or any of their jobs either. Her duties are no different to any other head of state. In fact they are probably heavier than many a Country's President that is there in name only. As Queen she has many many constitutional duties involving the governance of Britain and the Commonwealth countries that she reigns over. This is an interesting article from one of her, now retired, Private Secretaries which given a small insight into what her days were like at 90 years old. Some of these duties have no doubt been taken over by Prince Charles and Prince William over the last few years as she has gotten older, especially the outside visits. LINK
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Post by zima on Feb 23, 2022 16:02:55 GMT
Then there is also the increase in tourism. France (Germany, etc.) have no monarchy. Versailles, Fontainebleau, and the old chateaux and castles get packed w/tourists every year. People would still go see all the palaces, castles, estates, etc. More so as there would not be periods where you couldn't visit because someone was in residence.
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Post by zella on Feb 23, 2022 16:05:52 GMT
I'm on the side of you couldn't pay me enough to be a royal. I like having choices about what and when I do things or don't do them, and as an introvert, having to go out and talk to strangers day after day sounds like a nightmare. The royals with the busiest schedules don't seem to get a lot of true down time. And the lack of privacy? Yuck. I'd prefer my life when I was in nursing school full time, working 3 PT jobs, single mom to two under five and very poor. I don't know how I got through that time but to me it's still preferable to the firm. At least I never had to get gussied up every day!
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Post by zella on Feb 23, 2022 16:10:46 GMT
At least I never had to get gussied up every day! I'm sure the professional maids/stylists would have helped Undoubtedly. Still wouldn't make it worth it to me.
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Post by zima on Feb 23, 2022 16:13:38 GMT
Undoubtedly. Still wouldn't make it worth it to me. For sure. We're all different. I think most people, if they saw the reality and the amount of true ease in the royals' lives, despite the "workhorse" press releases put out by the firm, might choose royal work to the bone-grinding 8-10 hours per day of "normal" people w/o the built in helpers in all directions.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 23, 2022 16:24:53 GMT
The Duchess of Cambridge for the past two days made solo visit to Denmark The visit is part of an effort to better understand the country's world-leading approach to the early years development of children. Experts believe nature has huge benefits for children's mental health and wellbeing. She's been a champion of early years education and children's mental health for a number of years. Her and Jill Biden had much in common when Jill Biden visited Britain last year. What's interesting about this is that most American and indeed some other international media reports covering the visit seems to suggest that a. the visit is to kick start the Jubilee year. B. visiting the Queen of Denmark on her Golden Jubilee or c. has more coverage of what she's wearing. Very few of them are reporting as to the main reason she is there. Here's one British media that didn't go down that route linkLittle wonder that people think they don't do anything all day except living the high life !!
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Post by Bridget in MD on Feb 23, 2022 16:27:17 GMT
It may well come to be that Andrew is removed from being one of the 4, among other things. He could be replaced by Anne perhaps or quite possibly the Duchess of Cambridge or even Edward. These things don’t happen overnight 🙂 Question, when Charles becomes King, if no changes are made, does that mean the COS four would be William, Harry, Andrew, Edward (since George & Charlotte are under 21)? I cannot imagine being in my 70s and just appointed king! I would be getting ready to retire!
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Post by Bridget in MD on Feb 23, 2022 16:34:16 GMT
The Duchess of Cambridge for the past two days made solo visit to Denmark The visit is part of an effort to better understand the country's world-leading approach to the early years development of children. Experts believe nature has huge benefits for children's mental health and wellbeing. She's been a champion of early years education and children's mental health for a number of years. Her and Jill Biden had much in common when Jill Biden visited Britain last year. What's interesting about this is that most American and indeed some other international media reports covering the visit seems to suggest that a. the visit is to kick start the Jubilee year. B. visiting the Queen of Denmark on her Golden Jubilee or c. has more coverage of what she's wearing. Very few of them are reporting as to the main reason she is there. Here's one British media that didn't go down that route linkLittle wonder that people think they don't do anything all day except living the high life !! Thank you for the link! I admit, I do follow royal fashion (not just UK, but other countries too) and I knew she was visiting Denmark for early childhood development information. The blogs I follow discuss her fashion, but the ones I like the most discuss the reasons for royal visits, etc and then talk about the fashion/symbolism. It is very fascinating to me how the royals communicate through clothing/jewels.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 23, 2022 16:39:49 GMT
It may well come to be that Andrew is removed from being one of the 4, among other things. He could be replaced by Anne perhaps or quite possibly the Duchess of Cambridge or even Edward. These things don’t happen overnight 🙂 Question, when Charles becomes King, if no changes are made, does that mean the COS four would be William, Harry, Andrew, Edward (since George & Charlotte are under 21)? I cannot imagine being in my 70s and just appointed king! I would be getting ready to retire! Yes, it would be Edward but Andrew would stay. There's far more involved than just taking Andrews' name off the list and Harry's come to that, it would need an act of Parliament to do so.
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Post by KiwiJo on Feb 23, 2022 16:50:27 GMT
Question, when Charles becomes King, if no changes are made, does that mean the COS four would be William, Harry, Andrew, Edward (since George & Charlotte are under 21)? I cannot imagine being in my 70s and just appointed king! I would be getting ready to retire! Yes, it would be Edward but Andrew would stay. There's far more involved than just taking Andrews' name off the list and Harry's come to that, it would need an act of Parliament to do so. I thought the Counsellors of State followed the succession rules, but skip over those not yet 21 years old, which would mean Beatrice is next in line?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 23, 2022 16:52:10 GMT
The Duchess of Cambridge for the past two days made solo visit to Denmark The visit is part of an effort to better understand the country's world-leading approach to the early years development of children. Experts believe nature has huge benefits for children's mental health and wellbeing. She's been a champion of early years education and children's mental health for a number of years. Her and Jill Biden had much in common when Jill Biden visited Britain last year. What's interesting about this is that most American and indeed some other international media reports covering the visit seems to suggest that a. the visit is to kick start the Jubilee year. B. visiting the Queen of Denmark on her Golden Jubilee or c. has more coverage of what she's wearing. Very few of them are reporting as to the main reason she is there. Here's one British media that didn't go down that route linkLittle wonder that people think they don't do anything all day except living the high life !! Thank you for the link! I admit, I do follow royal fashion (not just UK, but other countries too) and I knew she was visiting Denmark for early childhood development information. The blogs I follow discuss her fashion, but the ones I like the most discuss the reasons for royal visits, etc and then talk about the fashion/symbolism. It is very fascinating to me how the royals communicate through clothing/jewels. Yes I agree that the fashion is a big talking point but it also annoys me that the media over rides what their main purpose is at many many of these visits and in turn the good they do. It's the media that make them into " celebrities" rather than focusing on their work. We probably see more of their work as most of it benefits the country and the citizens of Britain such as the fact finding visit to Denmark. Little of the day to day work they do gets the coverage outside of Britain which is understandable. But this gives others a false impression of who and what they do. Other parts of their work is more global such as Prince Charles and Prince William'ss contribution to climate change/ environmental work for wildlife etc.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 23, 2022 16:56:21 GMT
Yes, it would be Edward but Andrew would stay. There's far more involved than just taking Andrews' name off the list and Harry's come to that, it would need an act of Parliament to do so. I thought the Counsellors of State followed the succession rules, but skip over those not yet 21 years old, which would mean Beatrice is next in line? Yes you're right -apologies. I can't get my head around when Prince Charles becomes King and with all the children it gets quite confusing
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Post by Darcy Collins on Feb 23, 2022 17:06:09 GMT
Thank you for the link! I admit, I do follow royal fashion (not just UK, but other countries too) and I knew she was visiting Denmark for early childhood development information. The blogs I follow discuss her fashion, but the ones I like the most discuss the reasons for royal visits, etc and then talk about the fashion/symbolism. It is very fascinating to me how the royals communicate through clothing/jewels. Yes I agree that the fashion is a big talking point but it also annoys me that the media over rides what their main purpose is at many many of these visits and in turn the good they do. It's the media that make them into " celebrities" rather than focusing on their work. We probably see more of their work as most of it benefits the country and the citizens of Britain such as the fact finding visit to Denmark. Little of the day to day work they do gets the coverage outside of Britain which is understandable. But this gives others a false impression of who and what they do. Other parts of their work is more global such as Prince Charles and Prince William'ss contribution to climate change/ environmental work for wildlife etc. The fashion is the only reason the cause gets publicity from her. You do realize millions of people care about early childhood education and have devoted their life in actual hard work to improve it. She goes and visits a museum and plays legos and goes down a slide and you're concerned that they're talking to much about her fashion. Her next stop is a palace to hang out with a Queen and Princess. It's a great cause, I hope she can raise awareness to how important it, but she's still not WORKING on childhood education, she's visiting people actually working on the issue to raise awareness and the fashion is what's actually getting the publicity. She knows her role very well and how important the fashion is to it.
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Post by Bridget in MD on Feb 23, 2022 17:43:32 GMT
Yes I agree that the fashion is a big talking point but it also annoys me that the media over rides what their main purpose is at many many of these visits and in turn the good they do. It's the media that make them into " celebrities" rather than focusing on their work. We probably see more of their work as most of it benefits the country and the citizens of Britain such as the fact finding visit to Denmark. Little of the day to day work they do gets the coverage outside of Britain which is understandable. But this gives others a false impression of who and what they do. Other parts of their work is more global such as Prince Charles and Prince William'ss contribution to climate change/ environmental work for wildlife etc. The fashion is the only reason the cause gets publicity from her. You do realize millions of people care about early childhood education and have devoted their life in actual hard work to improve it. She goes and visits a museum and plays legos and goes down a slide and you're concerned that they're talking to much about her fashion. Her next stop is a palace to hang out with a Queen and Princess. It's a great cause, I hope she can raise awareness to how important it, but she's still not WORKING on childhood education, she's visiting people actually working on the issue to raise awareness and the fashion is what's actually getting the publicity. She knows her role very well and how important the fashion is to it. I wouldn't say that... For instance, she is a patron of Scouting, and I can't imagine the boots and pants and coats she wore was that interesting (they def weren't to me! LOL). Bear Grylls is too - I think the fact that they are promoting an organization that us regular joes are involved in or our children are a part of, shows how important the movement is for everyone. I love that she gets all up into the organization and highlights them - even if that means she's sliding on a slide or playing legos. However if they attend a state dinner and she is going to wear a tiara/gown, absolutely the fashion will get top billing.
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Post by zima on Feb 23, 2022 17:46:50 GMT
She goes and visits a museum and plays legos and goes down a slide and you're concerned that they're talking to much about her fashion. What a joyful way to spend a day. And to get to talk to real experts in the field and find out the latest research while wearing the most beautiful fashions, styled for me and my body type, coloring, after having my hair and make-up expertly done. Sign me up for that "work" any time (plus all the perks please).
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Post by KiwiJo on Feb 23, 2022 22:57:45 GMT
She goes and visits a museum and plays legos and goes down a slide and you're concerned that they're talking to much about her fashion. What a joyful way to spend a day. And to get to talk to real experts in the field and find out the latest research while wearing the most beautiful fashions, styled for me and my body type, coloring, after having my hair and make-up expertly done. Sign me up for that "work" any time (plus all the perks please). Yeah, getting to talk to interesting people who are experts in things I am interested in would be great; the pay-off of having to talk about things I’m not so interested in would be ok too. I would enjoy the wardrobe of course, whether it’s the high end or the high street things that Catherine is famed for choosing. But hair and makeup done every day, often several times a day? No thanks, I have zero desire in being so up close and personal with someone else every day. But the big part of Catherine’s day, every day, that I could not bear in any way, shape, or form is being photographed every time I leave my home. It’s no wonder she has people to help her look her best no matter what, with photographers always around taking picture after picture and no doubt hoping for a snap of her in an unflattering position. And knowing that opinion writers around the world are going to be dissecting my every move, and commenting on my appearance every time I step outside? No thanks! I can’t think of ANY perks that could make me go through all that.
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Post by AmeliaBloomer on Feb 23, 2022 23:04:14 GMT
I’m glad you mentioned Princess Anne. Throughout these threads - the workload is so very light…none of these people have ever worked a day in their lives - I wondered about how she fit into the narrative. I THOUGHT that I knew that she has a reputation for a dogged devotion to her causes/obligations, but I wasn’t sure I remembered that right. Who hasn't worked a day in their lives?
[snip] That wasn’t a thought of mine; I was repeating a couple of the themes from these threads.
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