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Post by silverlining on Feb 15, 2022 16:16:48 GMT
This is disappointing. Once again, wealth allows someone to avoid telling the truth and facing the consequences.
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Post by gar on Feb 15, 2022 16:19:52 GMT
I'm not surprised I guess. Very disappointing indeed, but not surprising.
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Post by lesley on Feb 15, 2022 16:23:50 GMT
I’m not disagreeing with you, but in a civil case, it’s the most likely outcome. It obviously suited Giuffre to settle, and I don’t blame her one bit. Hopefully whatever damages she receives will help her live her life the way she would like to.
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Post by zima on Feb 15, 2022 16:26:30 GMT
I'd have been VERY surprised if he hadn't.
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Post by maryannscraps on Feb 15, 2022 16:26:35 GMT
I don't understand the disappointment. It wasn't a criminal case, it was a civil lawsuit asking for money. It was up to her to agree to a settlement, and if she's good with it, then there you go. I'd feel very differently about a criminal case.
The consequences for him were always going to be about paying money, and it sounds like he will be doing that.
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Post by zima on Feb 15, 2022 16:27:28 GMT
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Post by silverlining on Feb 15, 2022 16:31:18 GMT
I wanted Giuffre to have her day in court, and for the settlement to be public. The secrecy is not good, especially when only the super-wealthy can buy it.
I'm happy to read that he also intends to make a substantial donation to a victims' rights charity, although the word intends is troublesome and substantial is rather vague.
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Post by maryannscraps on Feb 15, 2022 16:35:27 GMT
I wanted Giuffre to have her day in court, and for the settlement to be public. The secrecy is not good, especially when only the super-wealthy can buy it. I understand that, but it was totally up to Giuffre to accept it. She kept her power in making that settlement -- she could have turned it down if she wanted her day in court.
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Post by Darcy Collins on Feb 15, 2022 17:56:11 GMT
And yet you still call him Prince - yeah disgusting all around. Randy Andy - it was a joke in the 90s- now we know it wasn't a joke.
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Post by sassyangel on Feb 15, 2022 18:29:30 GMT
I expected bad stuff would likely come out, even in a civil case, so this outcome was expected. 🤷🏼♀️
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2022 18:29:58 GMT
I'm disappointed that he agreed to settle and not continue to clear his name.
I'm surprised she agreed to it though when she has always said it wasn't about the money but his admission that he had actually sexual assaulted her. I guess in the end the lure of the money was more attractive than getting to the truth.
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Post by sassyangel on Feb 15, 2022 18:35:08 GMT
I’m sure that money will do good, but the donation itself has the stench of something very ugly all over it. 😒
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Post by sassyangel on Feb 15, 2022 18:38:26 GMT
I'm disappointed that he agreed to settle and not continue to clear his name. I'm surprised she agreed to it though when she has always said it wasn't about the money but his admission that he had actually sexual assaulted her. I guess in the end the lure of the money was more attractive than getting to the truth. For me, him pushing for or accepting it, does not. I did think she really wanted her day in court, but ultimately it’s her decision, I guess.
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Post by bc2ca on Feb 15, 2022 18:46:19 GMT
I'm disappointed that he agreed to settle and not continue to clear his name. I'm surprised she agreed to it though when she has always said it wasn't about the money but his admission that he had actually sexual assaulted her. I guess in the end the lure of the money was more attractive than getting to the truth. I'm surprised anyone thinks he had any hope of clearing his name. His own mother certainly didn't. I'm surprised she agreed to take a settlement, and was looking forward to the court case, but can see that she won a couple big concessions and gets to move on with her life. I don't see anywhere that she is personally taking any money or that was ever her intention.
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Post by Darcy Collins on Feb 15, 2022 19:03:36 GMT
I'm disappointed that he agreed to settle and not continue to clear his name. I'm surprised she agreed to it though when she has always said it wasn't about the money but his admission that he had actually sexual assaulted her. I guess in the end the lure of the money was more attractive than getting to the truth. Clear his name???!!! What rock are you living under. And nice victim shaming - I expect nothing less from you. Randy Andy - your potential king - yeah - the problem here is her lure of money - his raping teenagers is just fine.
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Post by sassyangel on Feb 15, 2022 19:06:37 GMT
I'm disappointed that he agreed to settle and not continue to clear his name. I'm surprised she agreed to it though when she has always said it wasn't about the money but his admission that he had actually sexual assaulted her. I guess in the end the lure of the money was more attractive than getting to the truth. I'm surprised anyone thinks he had any hope of clearing his name. His own mother certainly didn't. I'm surprised she agreed to take a settlement, and was looking forward to the court case, but can see that she won a couple big concessions and gets to move on with her life. I don't see anywhere that she is personally taking any money or that was ever her intention. Right, the fact he settled says everything, as far as I’m concerned. And she knows that.
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Post by zima on Feb 15, 2022 19:11:24 GMT
Right, the fact he settled says everything, as far as I’m concerned. And she knows that. I also think that the fact that she (and her lawyers) got him (and his lawyers) to make these statements is a HUGE CONCESSION almost akin to a declaration of guilt: "" It is known that Jeffrey Epstein trafficked countless young girls over many years," the letter continues. " Prince Andrew regrets his association with Epstein, and commends the bravery of Ms. Giuffre and other survivors in standing up for themselves and others. He pledges to demonstrate his regret for his association with Epstein by supporting the fight against the evils of sex trafficking, and by supporting its victims.""
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Post by sassyangel on Feb 15, 2022 19:20:30 GMT
Right, the fact he settled says everything, as far as I’m concerned. And she knows that. I also think that the fact that she (and her lawyers) got him (and his lawyers) to make these statements is a HUGE CONCESSION almost akin to a declaration of guilt: "" It is known that Jeffrey Epstein trafficked countless young girls over many years," the letter continues. " Prince Andrew regrets his association with Epstein, and commends the bravery of Ms. Giuffre and other survivors in standing up for themselves and others. He pledges to demonstrate his regret for his association with Epstein by supporting the fight against the evils of sex trafficking, and by supporting its victims."" Oh yeah, I was fairly sure of his guilt based on everything to date, but that sealed it. What a vile specimen.
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Post by AmeliaBloomer on Feb 15, 2022 19:32:27 GMT
I'm disappointed that he agreed to settle and not continue to clear his name. I'm surprised she agreed to it though when she has always said it wasn't about the money but his admission that he had actually sexual assaulted her. I guess in the end the lure of the money was more attractive than getting to the truth. All we know is both of these people had a choice to make and what choice each of them made. Full stop. Of course, it’s always tempting to infer meaning from those choices. You’ve inferred that he is an innocent man who should have prevailed to clear his name and that she is motivated by money, not truth. Others might infer something totally different. Bottom line: none of us is privvy to the considerations, legal recommendations and What If’s that went into these two people’s decisions - or what it says about their characters. We just know what they chose.
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Post by papersilly on Feb 15, 2022 19:32:28 GMT
i'm not surprised. put enough money in front of someone and they might settle. he's not writing a check for $100.00. i'm sure it's life changing money.
also, someone probably sat the accuser down and explained what she might have to go through during the discovery, deposition, and court phases of her lawsuit. she will get dragged through the mud and for what? principle? most people already believe her anyway. but if enough money is on the table and she doesn't have to go through the lawsuit, why not? him settling might be vindication enough for some people.
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Post by mom on Feb 15, 2022 20:35:03 GMT
Princess Eugenie has a non profit that works to combat modern slavery and sex trafficking. I wonder if his donation will go to her and her non-profit, The Anti Slavery Collective?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2022 20:36:11 GMT
I'm disappointed that he agreed to settle and not continue to clear his name. I'm surprised she agreed to it though when she has always said it wasn't about the money but his admission that he had actually sexual assaulted her. I guess in the end the lure of the money was more attractive than getting to the truth. All we know is both of these people had a choice to make and what choice each of them made. Full stop. Of course, it’s always tempting to infer meaning from those choices. You’ve inferred that he is an innocent man who should have prevailed to clear his name and that she is motivated by money, not truth. Others might infer something totally different. Bottom line: none of us is privvy to the considerations, legal recommendations and What If’s that went into these two people’s decisions - or what it says about their characters. We just know what they chose. I've never suggested that he actually is innocent and she herself has made it known it wasn't about the money but the truth. What was it that changed her mind? None of us know that he is innocent or in fact guilty of anything except being friends with JP. He along with many many others, some of whom we know of and there must have been hundreds of other that are unknown but all were also friends and associates of JP. That is the problem when someone settles out of court, no one knows who is telling the truth or the reason they have truly settled - that goes for both parties. I just don't believe in a trial and conviction by the court of public opinion who are not privy to any of the facts. That goes for a prince or a pauper. I only hope that non of the people that express so strongly his guilt, with no proof, are not faced with a similar situation happening to any of the men in their lives where they are face with being guilty without evidence or a trial. Leaving aside this particular case to cover such matters generally. I don't dispute that we must listen to women and investigate all allegations but we must also be very careful that we don't ruin innocent men's lives in the process. Not all women who make allegations do so truthfully. We as a society must be careful not to take the stance that the woman must be telling the truth at all cost and the man must be guilty on her say so. The court of public opinion has ruined many a man's life.
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Post by bc2ca on Feb 15, 2022 21:04:06 GMT
Princess Eugenie has a non profit that works to combat modern slavery and sex trafficking. I wonder if his donation will go to her and her non-profit, The Anti Slavery Collective? The statement/letter that was released only identified intent to make a donation to Giuffre's charity which is focussed on victim's rights. Anything he wants to donate to his daughter's nonprofit would be outside the scope of the settlement.
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Post by Darcy Collins on Feb 15, 2022 21:33:34 GMT
All we know is both of these people had a choice to make and what choice each of them made. Full stop. Of course, it’s always tempting to infer meaning from those choices. You’ve inferred that he is an innocent man who should have prevailed to clear his name and that she is motivated by money, not truth. Others might infer something totally different. Bottom line: none of us is privvy to the considerations, legal recommendations and What If’s that went into these two people’s decisions - or what it says about their characters. We just know what they chose. I've never suggested that he actually is innocent and she herself has made it known it wasn't about the money but the truth. What was it that changed her mind? None of us know that he is innocent or in fact guilty of anything except being friends with JP. He along with many many others, some of whom we know of and there must have been hundreds of other that are unknown but all were also friends and associates of JP. That is the problem when someone settles out of court, no one knows who is telling the truth or the reason they have truly settled - that goes for both parties. I just don't believe in a trial and conviction by the court of public opinion who are not privy to any of the facts. That goes for a prince or a pauper. I only hope that non of the people that express so strongly his guilt, with no proof, are not faced with a similar situation happening to any of the men in their lives where they are face with being guilty without evidence or a trial. Leaving aside this particular case to cover such matters generally. I don't dispute that we must listen to women and investigate all allegations but we must also be very careful that we don't ruin innocent men's lives in the process. Not all women who make allegations do so truthfully. We as a society must be careful not to take the stance that the woman must be telling the truth at all cost and the man must be guilty on her say so. The court of public opinion has ruined many a man's life. keep victim blaming - there's plenty of evidence Randy Andy likes teenage girls - you're just more comfortable maligning the victim - oops I never met her:
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Post by mom on Feb 15, 2022 21:45:17 GMT
Princess Eugenie has a non profit that works to combat modern slavery and sex trafficking. I wonder if his donation will go to her and her non-profit, The Anti Slavery Collective? The statement/letter that was released only identified intent to make a donation to Giuffre's charity which is focussed on victim's rights. Anything he wants to donate to his daughter's nonprofit would be outside the scope of the settlement. Ahh ok.
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Post by bc2ca on Feb 15, 2022 22:16:03 GMT
Leaving aside this particular case to cover such matters generally. I don't dispute that we must listen to women and investigate all allegations but we must also be very careful that we don't ruin innocent men's lives in the process. Not all women who make allegations do so truthfully. We as a society must be careful not to take the stance that the woman must be telling the truth at all cost and the man must be guilty on her say so. The court of public opinion has ruined many a man's life. You must know how under reported sexual assaults are in our world, in a big part because of attitudes like this. We as a society must be careful that we don't continue to let men, especially white men from good families, get away with criminal behavior for fear of ruining their lives. Yes, I have a son and nephews, a father, brother and husband. ETA You all know someone who has been sexually assaulted, you just may not be seen by them as an ally or someone they can confide in without worry of being judged. But you all know at least one person, very likely more than one.
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Post by AllieC on Feb 15, 2022 22:29:49 GMT
As a victim/survivor of child sexual abuse I don't blame her at all for settling. I got some compensation from a government scheme and I could have taken it further but it would have all been too much. I know she said that it wasn't about the money (and as a survivor I truly believe this) but there also comes a point where it is exhausting, overwhelming and reliving your trauma over and over is just too taxing. Having a substantial settlement plus that statement which goes very close to guilt admission is obviously enough for her to say OK I'm taking this and moving on.
I work in the community legal arena and deliver presentations on consent. Without exception, there will be a boy who will say "there's so many false reports" so I've gotten the stats to back myself up. There have been literally hundreds of studies over the past 3 decades which show that false reporting is around 1%. Yes it happens but OVERWHELMINGLY (yes I'm shouting) reports are truthful and so underreported that this percentage would be even smaller.
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Post by used2scrap on Feb 15, 2022 22:30:19 GMT
It seemed like a settlement was coming when it was reported the original actual photograph couldn’t be produced.
Innocent people settle, guilty people settle.
Hopefully the others implicated will also face some inquiry as well.
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Post by SuPeaNatural on Feb 15, 2022 22:45:12 GMT
The news report I just watched said that all the settlement money is going to Virginia's charity. But surely she'd keep enough to pay her legal fees, which must amount to millions by now. Or would that be paid by Andrew as an extra?
ETA. Another news report has now reported that the settlement is around $14 million (Australian), and that Virginia will keep part of that, and give the rest to her charity.
They are also saying that Prince Charles has put the pressure on Andy to settle, so the whole mess is out of the way before the Queens jubilee celebrations in a few months.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Feb 15, 2022 22:48:53 GMT
One of the stations said possible neighbor hood of $10 million, divided .. that's lot.
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