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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2022 17:31:31 GMT
Dr. Roger Hodkinson Dr. Byram Bridle Dr. Paul Alexander Dr. Roger Hodkinson: pathologist who ID'e himself as the former chairman of the Royal College of Physicians and Surgeons of Canada (this is a LIE). He called COVID-19 'the greatest hoax ever perpetrated on an unsuspecting public' and says COVID is 'just another bad flue' and thinks masks are utterly useless. Dr. Byram Bridle: associate professor in viral immunology at a Canadian veterinary college... has spoken against vaccine safety, making untrue statements about spike proteins, etc. HIS OWN COLLEGE COLLEAGUES HAVE DENOUNCED HIS MISINFORMATION. Dr. Paul Alexander: former Trump administration appointee who advocated mass infection to build up herd immunity. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I'm not going to waste any more of my time on researching THESE YAHOOS. experts, my ass. My mistake- you never called them experts. thank goodness, because they're not. Understandable I guess for him to say that. As a PATHOLOGIST he'd be out of a job pretty soon if too many people got vaccinated or followed safety mandates.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2022 17:33:27 GMT
Which is a bit odd when she herself is a Canadian! Maybe. Given her focus and posts re: COVID, I have my doubts. It did also cross my mind too. She's quite different to the majority of Canadians that I have met or had anything to do with to be honest.
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Post by valincal on Feb 21, 2022 17:55:03 GMT
Maybe. Given her focus and posts re: COVID, I have my doubts. It did also cross my mind too. She's quite different to the majority of Canadians that I have met or had anything to do with to be honest. I’ve honestly been wondering if it’s some kind of bot.
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Post by sassyangel on Feb 21, 2022 17:56:57 GMT
Dr. Roger Hodkinson Dr. Byram Bridle Dr. Paul Alexander Dr. Roger Hodkinson: pathologist who ID'e himself as the former chairman of the Royal College of Physicians and Surgeons of Canada (this is a LIE). He called COVID-19 'the greatest hoax ever perpetrated on an unsuspecting public' and says COVID is 'just another bad flue' and thinks masks are utterly useless. Dr. Byram Bridle: associate professor in viral immunology at a Canadian veterinary college... has spoken against vaccine safety, making untrue statements about spike proteins, etc. HIS OWN COLLEGE COLLEAGUES HAVE DENOUNCED HIS MISINFORMATION. Dr. Paul Alexander: former Trump administration appointee who advocated mass infection to build up herd immunity. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I'm not going to waste any more of my time on researching THESE YAHOOS. experts, my ass. My mistake- you never called them experts. thank goodness, because they're not. I continued on your good work, just because I recognized one name, and wanted to confirm they go from bad to worse. Indeed they do. Dr. Geert Vanden Bossche Recently published an alarming manifesto. In it, Dr. Bossche makes a number of incorrect or exaggerated claims about the use of mass vaccination during a pandemic and urges international health authorities to stop the current crop of COVID-19 vaccines or else risk unleashing “a global catastrophe without equal.” This is scary stuff, but it’s all quite misguided. This was the name I recognized. www.mcgill.ca/oss/article/covid-19-critical-thinking-pseudoscience/doomsday-prophecy-dr-geert-vanden-bosscheDr. Robert Malone Both of the last two have made appearances on Joe Rogan’s podcast - I guess you can see where this is going, right? 😏 Robert Wallace Malone is an American physician and biochemist. His early work focused on mRNA technology, pharmaceuticals, and drug repurposing research. During the COVID-19 pandemic, Malone has promoted misinformation about the safety and efficacy of COVID-19 vaccines. www.washingtonpost.com/health/2022/01/24/robert-malone-vaccine-misinformation-rogan-mandates/www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2021/08/robert-malone-vaccine-inventor-vaccine-skeptic/619734/www.factcheck.org/2022/02/scicheck-scientist-misleads-on-covid-19-vaccine-effectiveness-and-vaccine-safety-for-children/Dr. Peter McCullough Peter Andrew McCullough is an American cardiologist. He was vice chief of internal medicine at Baylor University Medical Center and a professor at Texas A&M University. During the COVID-19 pandemic, McCullough has promoted misinformation about COVID-19, the COVID-19 vaccine, and COVID-19 treatments. Editing to add: he was let go from Baylor for spreading misinformation. They don’t want anything to do with him. www.dallasnews.com/news/courts/2021/08/13/baylor-health-sues-covid-19-vaccine-skeptic-and-demands-dallas-doctor-stop-using-its-name/?outputType=ampGosh! There’s a recurring theme here.🤔 factcheck.afp.com/http%253A%252F%252Fdoc.afp.com%252F9QW7UP-1healthfeedback.org/claimreview/joe-rogan-interview-with-peter-mccullough-contains-multiple-false-and-unsubstantiated-claims-about-the-covid-19-pandemic-and-vaccines/
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Post by sassyangel on Feb 21, 2022 18:01:33 GMT
I’m honestly perplexed how a minority of doctors advocating opposing narratives, are somehow seen as courageous whistleblowers who have no agenda at all, and not quacks with their own agendas.
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Post by sudsy on Feb 21, 2022 18:27:39 GMT
Dr. Roger Hodkinson: pathologist who ID'e himself as the former chairman of the Royal College of Physicians and Surgeons of Canada (this is a LIE). He called COVID-19 'the greatest hoax ever perpetrated on an unsuspecting public' and says COVID is 'just another bad flue' and thinks masks are utterly useless. Dr. Byram Bridle: associate professor in viral immunology at a Canadian veterinary college... has spoken against vaccine safety, making untrue statements about spike proteins, etc. HIS OWN COLLEGE COLLEAGUES HAVE DENOUNCED HIS MISINFORMATION. Dr. Paul Alexander: former Trump administration appointee who advocated mass infection to build up herd immunity. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I'm not going to waste any more of my time on researching THESE YAHOOS. experts, my ass. My mistake- you never called them experts. thank goodness, because they're not. I continued on your good work, just because I recognized one name, and wanted to confirm they go from bad to worse. Indeed they do. Dr. Geert Vanden Bossche Recently published an alarming manifesto. In it, Dr. Bossche makes a number of incorrect or exaggerated claims about the use of mass vaccination during a pandemic and urges international health authorities to stop the current crop of COVID-19 vaccines or else risk unleashing “a global catastrophe without equal.” This is scary stuff, but it’s all quite misguided. This was the name I recognized. www.mcgill.ca/oss/article/covid-19-critical-thinking-pseudoscience/doomsday-prophecy-dr-geert-vanden-bosscheDr. Robert Malone Both of the last two have made appearances on Joe Rogan’s podcast - I guess you can see where this is going, right? 😏 Robert Wallace Malone is an American physician and biochemist. His early work focused on mRNA technology, pharmaceuticals, and drug repurposing research. During the COVID-19 pandemic, Malone has promoted misinformation about the safety and efficacy of COVID-19 vaccines. www.washingtonpost.com/health/2022/01/24/robert-malone-vaccine-misinformation-rogan-mandates/www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2021/08/robert-malone-vaccine-inventor-vaccine-skeptic/619734/www.factcheck.org/2022/02/scicheck-scientist-misleads-on-covid-19-vaccine-effectiveness-and-vaccine-safety-for-children/Dr. Peter McCullough Peter Andrew McCullough is an American cardiologist. He was vice chief of internal medicine at Baylor University Medical Center and a professor at Texas A&M University. During the COVID-19 pandemic, McCullough has promoted misinformation about COVID-19, the COVID-19 vaccine, and COVID-19 treatments. Gosh! There’s a recurring theme here.🤔 factcheck.afp.com/http%253A%252F%252Fdoc.afp.com%252F9QW7UP-1healthfeedback.org/claimreview/joe-rogan-interview-with-peter-mccullough-contains-multiple-false-and-unsubstantiated-claims-about-the-covid-19-pandemic-and-vaccines/I'm going to make one last post about this to clarify. What I meant when I posted those names, was that it might expand your intellectual horizons to search out some podcasts and actually listen to these doctors speak for an hour or two. Let them explain to you why they're saying what they're saying. Decide for yourself what you think of what they're saying. But of course, what you're doing, and what I should have realized that you would do if I had "read the room" better, is to do a quick Google search and allow yourselves to be told by others (media, gov't) who these people are and whether what they're saying is valid. If this is the extent of the effort that you're willing to go to then I have no more to offer here. Quoting agencies whose best interest is in keeping you from learning about views that differ from theirs is pointless. Learning involves having an open mind. And it takes time. It takes hours a day of listening to people whose views differ and sorting out which make sense. Not everyone has the time, patience or mindset for that and I understand that.
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Post by gar on Feb 21, 2022 18:28:55 GMT
I’m honestly perplexed how a minority of doctors advocating opposing narratives, are somehow seen as courageous whistleblowers who have no agenda at all, and not quacks with their own agendas. Frankly, someone who says vaccines aren’t really vaccines are in the same league as flat earthers in my mind. Rude? Possibly 🤷🏻♀️
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Feb 21, 2022 18:47:40 GMT
I continued on your good work, just because I recognized one name, and wanted to confirm they go from bad to worse. Indeed they do. Dr. Geert Vanden Bossche Recently published an alarming manifesto. In it, Dr. Bossche makes a number of incorrect or exaggerated claims about the use of mass vaccination during a pandemic and urges international health authorities to stop the current crop of COVID-19 vaccines or else risk unleashing “a global catastrophe without equal.” This is scary stuff, but it’s all quite misguided. This was the name I recognized. www.mcgill.ca/oss/article/covid-19-critical-thinking-pseudoscience/doomsday-prophecy-dr-geert-vanden-bosscheDr. Robert Malone Both of the last two have made appearances on Joe Rogan’s podcast - I guess you can see where this is going, right? 😏 Robert Wallace Malone is an American physician and biochemist. His early work focused on mRNA technology, pharmaceuticals, and drug repurposing research. During the COVID-19 pandemic, Malone has promoted misinformation about the safety and efficacy of COVID-19 vaccines. www.washingtonpost.com/health/2022/01/24/robert-malone-vaccine-misinformation-rogan-mandates/www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2021/08/robert-malone-vaccine-inventor-vaccine-skeptic/619734/www.factcheck.org/2022/02/scicheck-scientist-misleads-on-covid-19-vaccine-effectiveness-and-vaccine-safety-for-children/Dr. Peter McCullough Peter Andrew McCullough is an American cardiologist. He was vice chief of internal medicine at Baylor University Medical Center and a professor at Texas A&M University. During the COVID-19 pandemic, McCullough has promoted misinformation about COVID-19, the COVID-19 vaccine, and COVID-19 treatments. Gosh! There’s a recurring theme here.🤔 factcheck.afp.com/http%253A%252F%252Fdoc.afp.com%252F9QW7UP-1healthfeedback.org/claimreview/joe-rogan-interview-with-peter-mccullough-contains-multiple-false-and-unsubstantiated-claims-about-the-covid-19-pandemic-and-vaccines/I'm going to make one last post about this to clarify. What I meant when I posted those names, was that it might expand your intellectual horizons to search out some podcasts and actually listen to these doctors speak for an hour or two. Let them explain to you why they're saying what they're saying. Decide for yourself what you think of what they're saying. But of course, what you're doing, and what I should have realized that you would do if I had "read the room" better, is to do a quick Google search and allow yourselves to be told by others (media, gov't) who these people are and whether what they're saying is valid. If this is the extent of the effort that you're willing to go to then I have no more to offer here. Quoting agencies whose best interest is in keeping you from learning about views that differ from theirs is pointless. Learning involves having an open mind. And it takes time. It takes hours a day of listening to people whose views differ and sorting out which make sense. Not everyone has the time, patience or mindset for that and I understand that. Oh Jesus Christ…are you for real???
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Post by sassyangel on Feb 21, 2022 18:53:24 GMT
I'm going to make one last post about this to clarify. What I meant when I posted those names, was that it might expand your intellectual horizons to search out some podcasts and actually listen to these doctors speak for an hour or two. Let them explain to you why they're saying what they're saying. Decide for yourself what you think of what they're saying. But of course, what you're doing, and what I should have realized that you would do if I had "read the room" better, is to do a quick Google search and allow yourselves to be told by others (media, gov't) who these people are and whether what they're saying is valid. If this is the extent of the effort that you're willing to go to then I have no more to offer here. Quoting agencies whose best interest is in keeping you from learning about views that differ from theirs is pointless. Learning involves having an open mind. And it takes time. It takes hours a day of listening to people whose views differ and sorting out which make sense. Not everyone has the time, patience or mindset for that and I understand that. Oh Jesus Christ…are you for real??? Why no, no they’re not. I thought we’d established that? 😋
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Post by sassyangel on Feb 21, 2022 18:55:29 GMT
I’m honestly perplexed how a minority of doctors advocating opposing narratives, are somehow seen as courageous whistleblowers who have no agenda at all, and not quacks with their own agendas. Frankly, someone who says vaccines aren’t really vaccines are in the same league as flat earthers in my mind. Rude? Possibly 🤷🏻♀️ Agreed. And I’m at the point where I couldn’t care less if it’s rude, or whatever.
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Post by sassyangel on Feb 21, 2022 19:14:15 GMT
I continued on your good work, just because I recognized one name, and wanted to confirm they go from bad to worse. Indeed they do. Dr. Geert Vanden Bossche Recently published an alarming manifesto. In it, Dr. Bossche makes a number of incorrect or exaggerated claims about the use of mass vaccination during a pandemic and urges international health authorities to stop the current crop of COVID-19 vaccines or else risk unleashing “a global catastrophe without equal.” This is scary stuff, but it’s all quite misguided. This was the name I recognized. www.mcgill.ca/oss/article/covid-19-critical-thinking-pseudoscience/doomsday-prophecy-dr-geert-vanden-bosscheDr. Robert Malone Both of the last two have made appearances on Joe Rogan’s podcast - I guess you can see where this is going, right? 😏 Robert Wallace Malone is an American physician and biochemist. His early work focused on mRNA technology, pharmaceuticals, and drug repurposing research. During the COVID-19 pandemic, Malone has promoted misinformation about the safety and efficacy of COVID-19 vaccines. www.washingtonpost.com/health/2022/01/24/robert-malone-vaccine-misinformation-rogan-mandates/www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2021/08/robert-malone-vaccine-inventor-vaccine-skeptic/619734/www.factcheck.org/2022/02/scicheck-scientist-misleads-on-covid-19-vaccine-effectiveness-and-vaccine-safety-for-children/Dr. Peter McCullough Peter Andrew McCullough is an American cardiologist. He was vice chief of internal medicine at Baylor University Medical Center and a professor at Texas A&M University. During the COVID-19 pandemic, McCullough has promoted misinformation about COVID-19, the COVID-19 vaccine, and COVID-19 treatments. Gosh! There’s a recurring theme here.🤔 factcheck.afp.com/http%253A%252F%252Fdoc.afp.com%252F9QW7UP-1healthfeedback.org/claimreview/joe-rogan-interview-with-peter-mccullough-contains-multiple-false-and-unsubstantiated-claims-about-the-covid-19-pandemic-and-vaccines/I'm going to make one last post about this to clarify. Don’t bother, really. YOU told us look them up. I looked up the last three, that I was actually already familiar with having read their positions previously. I don’t understand their credibility with you, when their positions are so easily refuted. It’s actually obscene that these people are leveraging their MDs in this way. This is politics dictating healthcare and health policy - at the clinical patient level, and it is NOT ok.
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Post by aj2hall on Feb 21, 2022 21:40:16 GMT
You do realise these vaccines are being used around the whole world, not just USA? That multiple nations have created and shared vaccines that have saved millions of lives- nothing to do with your state of emergency. I was talking about EUA. Emergency Use Authorization. Again, I don't think you understand how this works. Pfizer now has full approval, the vaccine is no longer under the emergency use authorization. EUA is an American authorization, it doesn't apply to Canada or any other country. Pfizer and the other vaccines have been distributed worldwide. www.npr.org/sections/coronavirus-live-updates/2021/08/23/1030251410/pfizer-covid-vaccine-fda-approvalI'm also confused. Are you Canadian? You claim to have personally been to the protests. Why would you care about how the US authorizes vaccines?
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Post by elaine on Feb 21, 2022 21:46:59 GMT
I continued on your good work, just because I recognized one name, and wanted to confirm they go from bad to worse. Indeed they do. Dr. Geert Vanden Bossche Recently published an alarming manifesto. In it, Dr. Bossche makes a number of incorrect or exaggerated claims about the use of mass vaccination during a pandemic and urges international health authorities to stop the current crop of COVID-19 vaccines or else risk unleashing “a global catastrophe without equal.” This is scary stuff, but it’s all quite misguided. This was the name I recognized. www.mcgill.ca/oss/article/covid-19-critical-thinking-pseudoscience/doomsday-prophecy-dr-geert-vanden-bosscheDr. Robert Malone Both of the last two have made appearances on Joe Rogan’s podcast - I guess you can see where this is going, right? 😏 Robert Wallace Malone is an American physician and biochemist. His early work focused on mRNA technology, pharmaceuticals, and drug repurposing research. During the COVID-19 pandemic, Malone has promoted misinformation about the safety and efficacy of COVID-19 vaccines. www.washingtonpost.com/health/2022/01/24/robert-malone-vaccine-misinformation-rogan-mandates/www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2021/08/robert-malone-vaccine-inventor-vaccine-skeptic/619734/www.factcheck.org/2022/02/scicheck-scientist-misleads-on-covid-19-vaccine-effectiveness-and-vaccine-safety-for-children/Dr. Peter McCullough Peter Andrew McCullough is an American cardiologist. He was vice chief of internal medicine at Baylor University Medical Center and a professor at Texas A&M University. During the COVID-19 pandemic, McCullough has promoted misinformation about COVID-19, the COVID-19 vaccine, and COVID-19 treatments. Gosh! There’s a recurring theme here.🤔 factcheck.afp.com/http%253A%252F%252Fdoc.afp.com%252F9QW7UP-1healthfeedback.org/claimreview/joe-rogan-interview-with-peter-mccullough-contains-multiple-false-and-unsubstantiated-claims-about-the-covid-19-pandemic-and-vaccines/I'm going to make one last post about this to clarify. What I meant when I posted those names, was that it might expand your intellectual horizons to search out some podcasts and actually listen to these doctors speak for an hour or two. Let them explain to you why they're saying what they're saying. Decide for yourself what you think of what they're saying. But of course, what you're doing, and what I should have realized that you would do if I had "read the room" better, is to do a quick Google search and allow yourselves to be told by others (media, gov't) who these people are and whether what they're saying is valid. If this is the extent of the effort that you're willing to go to then I have no more to offer here. Quoting agencies whose best interest is in keeping you from learning about views that differ from theirs is pointless. Learning involves having an open mind. And it takes time. It takes hours a day of listening to people whose views differ and sorting out which make sense. Not everyone has the time, patience or mindset for that and I understand that. Podcasts? I don't have time to waste on podcasts. Any idiot can say whatever they want in a podcast. I am a cancer survivor and have absolutely no desire to waste “hours a day” listening to the total loons you are recommending. Give me peer-reviewed science any day. If you were in my classes advocating podcasts - which anyone can record and make available - over peer-reviewed research, you’d get that part of the test and assignment wrong.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2022 22:05:28 GMT
I'm going to make one last post about this to clarify. What I meant when I posted those names, was that it might expand your intellectual horizons to search out some podcasts and actually listen to these doctors speak for an hour or two. Let them explain to you why they're saying what they're saying. Decide for yourself what you think of what they're saying. But of course, what you're doing, and what I should have realized that you would do if I had "read the room" better, is to do a quick Google search and allow yourselves to be told by others (media, gov't) who these people are and whether what they're saying is valid. If this is the extent of the effort that you're willing to go to then I have no more to offer here. Quoting agencies whose best interest is in keeping you from learning about views that differ from theirs is pointless. Learning involves having an open mind. And it takes time. It takes hours a day of listening to people whose views differ and sorting out which make sense. Not everyone has the time, patience or mindset for that and I understand that. Now I know that you're playing games "expand my intellectual horizons"
I went to school where I was taught critical thinking.
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Post by casii on Feb 21, 2022 22:09:27 GMT
I haven't read the responses, but my DS works for a company that is sort of an air traffic controller source for companies who employ their services to maintain a network of truck drivers safely & reliably. He's also in an advocacy role for truckers after seeing some of the ways that truckers are stuck between a rock and a hard place. DS has stories for days.
His take, in laymen's terms and based upon conversations with a large amount of long haul truckers, is that the vast majority of truckers are fully vaccinated and most (truckers) feel that the trucker protests are damaging their image and that the few truckers who've rejected vaccine mandates have been the unfortunate victims of a movement that has nothing to do with truckers and everything to do with creating chaos. As vast as his experience with the industry is, it's still limited because his company works with a network of companies, not ALL companies utilizing long haul truckers.
If you really want to support truck drivers, my DS could provide a long list of ways that would improve their situation. Crying foul over vaccines would not be one of those things.
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Post by elaine on Feb 21, 2022 22:44:42 GMT
No White Supremacy on display here, just unicorns and fairy tales.... Let me know, Lefty and Sudsy, if I need to explain the SS reference in the second picture. Not to mention that it kind of contradicts the whole claim by Sudsy that no threats against Trudeau have been made. 🤪
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2022 22:56:08 GMT
But of course, what you're doing, and what I should have realized that you would do if I had "read the room" better, is to do a quick Google search and allow yourselves to be told by others (media, gov't) who these people are and whether what they're saying is valid. If this is the extent of the effort that you're willing to go to then I have no more to offer here. Quoting agencies whose best interest is in keeping you from learning about views that differ from theirs is pointless. That is the entire concept of PEER-REVIEWED science. SCIENTISTS REVIEW EACH OTHER'S WORK. I trust to decisions of PEER-REVIEWED science vs. listening to any ONE or OTHER scientist. If they're so sure they're right, they should pitch a study to DISPUTE, DEBUNK etc. the CURRENT PREVAILING SCIENCE around vaccines, evolution, spherical earth, etc. Whatever their pet hypothesis is. Then they can get FAMOUS by REFUTING the prevailing science by publishing their own PEER-REVIEWED study refuting the efficacy and/or safety of vaccines, or refuting the heliocentric solar system or whatever else they can PROVE in ways that can be STUDIED and REPLICATED. Not by publishing their own two-bit opinion on their ownblog or podcast.
That is NOT HOW SCIENCE WORKS.
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Post by sudsy on Feb 21, 2022 23:15:55 GMT
I'm going to make one last post about this to clarify. What I meant when I posted those names, was that it might expand your intellectual horizons to search out some podcasts and actually listen to these doctors speak for an hour or two. Let them explain to you why they're saying what they're saying. Decide for yourself what you think of what they're saying. But of course, what you're doing, and what I should have realized that you would do if I had "read the room" better, is to do a quick Google search and allow yourselves to be told by others (media, gov't) who these people are and whether what they're saying is valid. If this is the extent of the effort that you're willing to go to then I have no more to offer here. Quoting agencies whose best interest is in keeping you from learning about views that differ from theirs is pointless. Learning involves having an open mind. And it takes time. It takes hours a day of listening to people whose views differ and sorting out which make sense. Not everyone has the time, patience or mindset for that and I understand that. Podcasts? I don't have time to waste on podcasts. Any idiot can say whatever they want in a podcast. I am a cancer survivor and have absolutely no desire to waste “hours a day” listening to the total loons you are recommending. Give me peer-reviewed science any day. If you were in my classes advocating podcasts - which anyone can record and make available - over peer-reviewed research, you’d get that part of the test and assignment wrong. Here's how it works: they discuss peer-reviewed science in the podcasts. I honestly can't with these responses.
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Post by sudsy on Feb 21, 2022 23:19:47 GMT
But of course, what you're doing, and what I should have realized that you would do if I had "read the room" better, is to do a quick Google search and allow yourselves to be told by others (media, gov't) who these people are and whether what they're saying is valid. If this is the extent of the effort that you're willing to go to then I have no more to offer here. Quoting agencies whose best interest is in keeping you from learning about views that differ from theirs is pointless. That is the entire concept of PEER-REVIEWED science. SCIENTISTS REVIEW EACH OTHER'S WORK. I trust to decisions of PEER-REVIEWED science vs. listening to any ONE or OTHER scientist. If they're so sure they're right, they should pitch a study to DISPUTE, DEBUNK etc. the CURRENT PREVAILING SCIENCE around vaccines, evolution, spherical earth, etc. Whatever their pet hypothesis is. Then they can get FAMOUS by REFUTING the prevailing science by publishing their own PEER-REVIEWED study refuting the efficacy and/or safety of vaccines, or refuting the heliocentric solar system or whatever else they can PROVE in ways that can be STUDIED and REPLICATED. Not by publishing their own two-bit opinion on their ownblog or podcast.
That is NOT HOW SCIENCE WORKS. Oh my goodness... The men that I listed literally have thousands of peer-reviewed studies to their names. This thread is like a bag of chips that I just can't put down. I keep saying that I won't have another chip but they're so irresistible. You guys have me transfixed.
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Post by Skellinton on Feb 21, 2022 23:22:08 GMT
I continued on your good work, just because I recognized one name, and wanted to confirm they go from bad to worse. Indeed they do. Dr. Geert Vanden Bossche Recently published an alarming manifesto. In it, Dr. Bossche makes a number of incorrect or exaggerated claims about the use of mass vaccination during a pandemic and urges international health authorities to stop the current crop of COVID-19 vaccines or else risk unleashing “a global catastrophe without equal.” This is scary stuff, but it’s all quite misguided. This was the name I recognized. www.mcgill.ca/oss/article/covid-19-critical-thinking-pseudoscience/doomsday-prophecy-dr-geert-vanden-bosscheDr. Robert Malone Both of the last two have made appearances on Joe Rogan’s podcast - I guess you can see where this is going, right? 😏 Robert Wallace Malone is an American physician and biochemist. His early work focused on mRNA technology, pharmaceuticals, and drug repurposing research. During the COVID-19 pandemic, Malone has promoted misinformation about the safety and efficacy of COVID-19 vaccines. www.washingtonpost.com/health/2022/01/24/robert-malone-vaccine-misinformation-rogan-mandates/www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2021/08/robert-malone-vaccine-inventor-vaccine-skeptic/619734/www.factcheck.org/2022/02/scicheck-scientist-misleads-on-covid-19-vaccine-effectiveness-and-vaccine-safety-for-children/Dr. Peter McCullough Peter Andrew McCullough is an American cardiologist. He was vice chief of internal medicine at Baylor University Medical Center and a professor at Texas A&M University. During the COVID-19 pandemic, McCullough has promoted misinformation about COVID-19, the COVID-19 vaccine, and COVID-19 treatments. Gosh! There’s a recurring theme here.🤔 factcheck.afp.com/http%253A%252F%252Fdoc.afp.com%252F9QW7UP-1healthfeedback.org/claimreview/joe-rogan-interview-with-peter-mccullough-contains-multiple-false-and-unsubstantiated-claims-about-the-covid-19-pandemic-and-vaccines/I'm going to make one last post about this to clarify. What I meant when I posted those names, was that it might expand your intellectual horizons to search out some podcasts and actually listen to these doctors speak for an hour or two. Let them explain to you why they're saying what they're saying. Decide for yourself what you think of what they're saying. But of course, what you're doing, and what I should have realized that you would do if I had "read the room" better, is to do a quick Google search and allow yourselves to be told by others (media, gov't) who these people are and whether what they're saying is valid. If this is the extent of the effort that you're willing to go to then I have no more to offer here. Quoting agencies whose best interest is in keeping you from learning about views that differ from theirs is pointless. Learning involves having an open mind. And it takes time. It takes hours a day of listening to people whose views differ and sorting out which make sense. Not everyone has the time, patience or mindset for that and I understand that. Well, you need to put more time into sorting out which make sense then, because you are posting a whole lot of nonsense.
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Post by elaine on Feb 21, 2022 23:23:04 GMT
Podcasts? I don't have time to waste on podcasts. Any idiot can say whatever they want in a podcast. I am a cancer survivor and have absolutely no desire to waste “hours a day” listening to the total loons you are recommending. Give me peer-reviewed science any day. If you were in my classes advocating podcasts - which anyone can record and make available - over peer-reviewed research, you’d get that part of the test and assignment wrong. Here's how it works: they discuss peer-reviewed science in the podcasts. I honestly can't with these responses. If it is peer-reviewed, it is in print. Any responsible consumer of research wants to read the study with their own eyes, not rely on someone else’s verbal discussion on a Podcast, because it then ceases to be an accurate report of a peer-reviewed study. You can't be that dense, can you? Signed, Someone who has published peer-reviewed research and also served on the editorial board of a peer-reviewed research journal for several years Eta: your ignorance of how science works on display is becoming painful to read. If you honestly “can’t,” then just don’t, because you aren't helping your cause in any shape, matter, or form.
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Post by elaine on Feb 21, 2022 23:29:02 GMT
That is the entire concept of PEER-REVIEWED science. SCIENTISTS REVIEW EACH OTHER'S WORK. I trust to decisions of PEER-REVIEWED science vs. listening to any ONE or OTHER scientist. If they're so sure they're right, they should pitch a study to DISPUTE, DEBUNK etc. the CURRENT PREVAILING SCIENCE around vaccines, evolution, spherical earth, etc. Whatever their pet hypothesis is. Then they can get FAMOUS by REFUTING the prevailing science by publishing their own PEER-REVIEWED study refuting the efficacy and/or safety of vaccines, or refuting the heliocentric solar system or whatever else they can PROVE in ways that can be STUDIED and REPLICATED. Not by publishing their own two-bit opinion on their ownblog or podcast.
That is NOT HOW SCIENCE WORKS. Oh my goodness... The men that I listed literally have thousands of peer-reviewed studies to their names. This thread is like a bag of chips that I just can't put down. I keep saying that I won't have another chip but they're so irresistible. You guys have me transfixed. It is literally impossible for a handful of men to have thousands of peer-reviewed research articles about COViD. Impossible. As in, not true. A complete fabrication. Fiction. Not remotely possible for a virus that has only been known for 2 years.
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Feb 21, 2022 23:29:29 GMT
Podcasts? I don't have time to waste on podcasts. Any idiot can say whatever they want in a podcast. I am a cancer survivor and have absolutely no desire to waste “hours a day” listening to the total loons you are recommending. Give me peer-reviewed science any day. If you were in my classes advocating podcasts - which anyone can record and make available - over peer-reviewed research, you’d get that part of the test and assignment wrong. Here's how it works: they discuss peer-reviewed science in the podcasts. I honestly can't with these responses. More ridiculous drivel.
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Post by Merge on Feb 21, 2022 23:30:53 GMT
I’d like to know what sudsy’s qualifications are for determining which studies are valid and which are not. Are you an epidemiologist? Have a background in virology or infectious disease? Have you overseen vaccine research or clinical trials? So curious, since you fancy yourself so much better at this than the rest of us.
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Post by sudsy on Feb 21, 2022 23:31:59 GMT
I was talking about EUA. Emergency Use Authorization. Again, I don't think you understand how this works. Pfizer now has full approval, the vaccine is no longer under the emergency use authorization. EUA is an American authorization, it doesn't apply to Canada or any other country. Pfizer and the other vaccines have been distributed worldwide. www.npr.org/sections/coronavirus-live-updates/2021/08/23/1030251410/pfizer-covid-vaccine-fda-approvalI'm also confused. Are you Canadian? You claim to have personally been to the protests. Why would you care about how the US authorizes vaccines? I posted this a few pages back. Maybe you didn't see it. www.youtube.com/watch?v=aiUFPDAlsLUIt's very confusing as I said. I still don't fully understand it myself. Yes, I'm Canadian. I care because I'm interested in things.
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Post by Merge on Feb 21, 2022 23:33:24 GMT
I'm going to make one last post about this to clarify. What I meant when I posted those names, was that it might expand your intellectual horizons to search out some podcasts and actually listen to these doctors speak for an hour or two. Let them explain to you why they're saying what they're saying. Decide for yourself what you think of what they're saying. But of course, what you're doing, and what I should have realized that you would do if I had "read the room" better, is to do a quick Google search and allow yourselves to be told by others (media, gov't) who these people are and whether what they're saying is valid. If this is the extent of the effort that you're willing to go to then I have no more to offer here. Quoting agencies whose best interest is in keeping you from learning about views that differ from theirs is pointless. Learning involves having an open mind. And it takes time. It takes hours a day of listening to people whose views differ and sorting out which make sense. Not everyone has the time, patience or mindset for that and I understand that. Podcasts? I don't have time to waste on podcasts. Any idiot can say whatever they want in a podcast. I am a cancer survivor and have absolutely no desire to waste “hours a day” listening to the total loons you are recommending. Give me peer-reviewed science any day. If you were in my classes advocating podcasts - which anyone can record and make available - over peer-reviewed research, you’d get that part of the test and assignment wrong. Right? You can’t trust the mainstream media or any of the people who have devoted their lives to the study of infectious disease and vaccines, but you can trust some dude with a podcast. Might as well cite Wikipedia as your source.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2022 23:36:00 GMT
Podcasts? I don't have time to waste on podcasts. Any idiot can say whatever they want in a podcast. I am a cancer survivor and have absolutely no desire to waste “hours a day” listening to the total loons you are recommending. Give me peer-reviewed science any day. If you were in my classes advocating podcasts - which anyone can record and make available - over peer-reviewed research, you’d get that part of the test and assignment wrong. Here's how it works: they discuss peer-reviewed science in the podcasts. I honestly can't with these responses. I'm not sure if you quite understand what peer review means. Peer reviews subjects an author's scholarly work, research, or ideas to the scrutiny of others who are experts in the same field. One of those names you listed earlier was a PATHOLOGIST. I can't for the life of me think of any reason a pathologist would review any work, research or ideas of anyone to do with the virus, vaccine or the pandemic. It is not a pathologist's field.
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Post by Merge on Feb 21, 2022 23:37:36 GMT
Again, I don't think you understand how this works. Pfizer now has full approval, the vaccine is no longer under the emergency use authorization. EUA is an American authorization, it doesn't apply to Canada or any other country. Pfizer and the other vaccines have been distributed worldwide. www.npr.org/sections/coronavirus-live-updates/2021/08/23/1030251410/pfizer-covid-vaccine-fda-approvalI'm also confused. Are you Canadian? You claim to have personally been to the protests. Why would you care about how the US authorizes vaccines? I posted this a few pages back. Maybe you didn't see it. www.youtube.com/watch?v=aiUFPDAlsLUIt's very confusing as I said. I still don't fully understand it myself. Yes, I'm Canadian. I care because I'm interested in things. Oooh, another claim that can be debunked by a two-minute Google search. Clearly you didn’t dig quite deep enough on this one. www.factcheck.org/2021/08/scicheck-researcher-distorts-facts-on-covid-19-vaccine-approval-liability/I remember hearing this one before, too - it’s been around for a while and has been thoroughly discredited. I suggest you look into Dr. Peter Hotez, a world renowned epidemiologist not attached to any government agency, who explains quite clearly why the vaccines are safe and effective. He and his team have even developed a new vaccine that will be made and distributed for free to developing countries - as in, no one is making money off of it.
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Post by elaine on Feb 21, 2022 23:40:42 GMT
Podcasts? I don't have time to waste on podcasts. Any idiot can say whatever they want in a podcast. I am a cancer survivor and have absolutely no desire to waste “hours a day” listening to the total loons you are recommending. Give me peer-reviewed science any day. If you were in my classes advocating podcasts - which anyone can record and make available - over peer-reviewed research, you’d get that part of the test and assignment wrong. Right? You can’t trust the mainstream media or any of the people who have devoted their lives to the study of infectious disease and vaccines, but you can trust some dude with a podcast. Might as well cite Wikipedia as your source. Which would also be marked “incorrect” by me. 😅 But if Glen Younkin and his ignorant fans have their way in my state, Wikipedia and Podcasts by Joe Rogan will get mandatory full credit as credible sources.
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Post by sudsy on Feb 21, 2022 23:41:51 GMT
I’d like to know what sudsy ’s qualifications are for determining which studies are valid and which are not. Are you an epidemiologist? Have a background in virology or infectious disease? Have you overseen vaccine research or clinical trials? So curious, since you fancy yourself so much better at this than the rest of us. I am definitely not an epidemiologist or have a background in any of these things other than University science. I'm truly sorry if I'm coming across as "high and mighty" or something. I think I'm just losing my patience which is not a good thing at all. I should really just stick to reading these boards rather than commenting. I honestly just want to share information because I feel that others could benefit from it. I don't want to argue or fight with anyone. Maybe I bristle because I'm not used to people talking this way to one another.
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