Sarah*H
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Post by Sarah*H on Feb 21, 2022 5:00:01 GMT
I know that the CDC recently changed the recommended timeline of second boosters for immune compromised people to 5 months. But is that just for people who are severely immunocompromised like those with cancer or autoimmune diseases or is it for the whole population of people who are considered immune compromised (asthma, overweight, high blood pressure, etc?) I realized this week that those of us who got our first vaccines in that first immune compromised wave are quickly coming up on the one year mark and presumably the 6 month mark since booster. It's long been clear that the booster immunity starts waning after a couple months but I honestly have no idea what the current protocol is. And we're only a few weeks out from when shots first became available to everyone and six months from booster for those people so this is about to become a more urgent question for a lot of people. What about health care workers who presumably hit their one year/6 months from booster milestone in January and February? I keep joking that my family members need to go lick a pole and get Omicron to get it out of the way but as Omicron starts to fade and the world seems to be moving on, it's not quite as funny to me because what if the next variant isn't mild and we're in this weird limbo? Waning immunity from the vaccinations, no recommendation for another booster and no natural immunity from previous infection =  |
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Post by MichyM on Feb 21, 2022 5:22:16 GMT
This was published by the CDC on Thursday, and yes, a 4th dose is still only being recommended for those moderately to severely immunocompromised. Who Is Moderately or Severely Immunocompromised? Many conditions and treatments can cause a person to be immunocompromised, also known as having a weakened immune system. People are considered to be moderately or severely immunocompromised if they have: Been receiving active cancer treatment for tumors or cancers of the blood Received an organ transplant and are taking medicine to suppress the immune system Received a stem cell transplant within the last 2 years or are taking medicine to suppress the immune system Moderate or severe primary immunodeficiency (such as DiGeorge syndrome, Wiskott-Aldrich syndrome) Advanced or untreated HIV infection Active treatment with high-dose corticosteroids or other drugs that may suppress their immune response People should talk to their healthcare provider about COVID-19 vaccination given their medical condition. Link with more info and most recent info: www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/recommendations/immuno.html |
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Post by Sarah*H on Feb 21, 2022 5:33:22 GMT
I just stumbled on that myself after a lot of googling. Thank you! What I find interesting is that on those pages they are no longer referring to those initial boosters as boosters - they are now "primary series" vaccines which is apparently now 3 shots. And the 3rd shot is now recommended only 28 days after the 2nd shot. The "booster" is now the 4th shot, recommended 3 months after the "3rd shot."
I feel like this is a huge, huge departure from what was previously recommended and I don't think it's been publicized at all. And while it gives guidance to a small number of people, it leaves millions in the dark about what comes next.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Feb 21, 2022 5:51:41 GMT
Had my third shot in November, primary care doctor says probably should get another 'booster' with my lungs. Had pneumonia twice in 2021. Seeing my pulmonologist soon, will ask him, or he will just tell me as he did initially with the vaccine.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2022 6:22:10 GMT
The issue here is no one is offering the 4th dose. Dd has a PIDD and has IgG infusions weekly. No one has clearance to give a 4th dose. ETA I have tried 2 pharmacies and hospital. This is southern Ca. They all say it hasn't been approved yet.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2022 6:26:51 GMT
There is also evidence that the 4th dose doesn't spike an immune response like the first 3. So it may not even be affective.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Feb 21, 2022 7:42:10 GMT
Just saw this.... More recently, the Public Health Agency of Sweden announced last week that second booster doses are recommended for everyone 80 and older in the country. In the United States, health officials emphasized late last year that fourth doses were not yet needed and said it was too premature to be discussing a potential fourth dose of coronavirus vaccine dose of coronavirus vaccine for most people. *** If or when the FDA authorizes a fourth dose for the public, the next step would be for the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention to review the data before making a recommendation for use, as the agency has done for other coronavirus vaccine recommendations. www.cnn.com/2022/02/19/health/fourth-covid-19-vaccine-dose-us/index.html |
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Post by AmeliaBloomer on Feb 21, 2022 11:17:32 GMT
I just stumbled on that myself after a lot of googling. Thank you! What I find interesting is that on those pages they are no longer referring to those initial boosters as boosters - they are now "primary series" vaccines which is apparently now 3 shots. And the 3rd shot is now recommended only 28 days after the 2nd shot. The "booster" is now the 4th shot, recommended 3 months after the "3rd shot." I feel like this is a huge, huge departure from what was previously recommended and I don't think it's been publicized at all. And while it gives guidance to a small number of people, it leaves millions in the dark about what comes next. Only-Partial-Answer: the epidemiologist podcaster I follow has been saying for many, many months that a third shot is simply part of what will become standard: a three-shot prime series, spaced out equally (possibly one month each instead of two weeks), which wasn’t yet understood when initially just trying to create whatever immunity they could in as many people as possible. A true booster would be a fourth/extra shot for the immune compromised. He says there’s abundant evidence that the third shot builds a higher immunity. The “wane” is slower but more research is needed. Evidence is also still evolving about the efficacy of fourth shots (for all), like in Israel, but as mentioned above, it doesn’t seem like it gives the “jump” that the third shot does. (Regardless, he claims we can’t boost our way out of Covid; it’s expensive, clumsy, unrealistic in many parts of the world and, unfortunately, unrealistic in even some of the most vaccine-accessible countries, e.g. USA, because of the weird phenomenon of the low incidence of “booster” (third shot) takers - people who are presumedly pro-vax but didn’t/wouldn’t get the third shot, including even an alarming percentage of residents of nursing homes.) Basically, we’re all still in the dark about what comes next because they are, too. In the meantime, work continues on new vaccines (needs years) and new treatments. |
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Post by dewryce on Feb 21, 2022 12:29:12 GMT
This was published by the CDC on Thursday, and yes, a 4th dose is still only being recommended for those moderately to severely immunocompromised. Who Is Moderately or Severely Immunocompromised? Many conditions and treatments can cause a person to be immunocompromised, also known as having a weakened immune system. People are considered to be moderately or severely immunocompromised if they have: Been receiving active cancer treatment for tumors or cancers of the blood Received an organ transplant and are taking medicine to suppress the immune system Received a stem cell transplant within the last 2 years or are taking medicine to suppress the immune system Moderate or severe primary immunodeficiency (such as DiGeorge syndrome, Wiskott-Aldrich syndrome) Advanced or untreated HIV infection Active treatment with high-dose corticosteroids or other drugs that may suppress their immune response People should talk to their healthcare provider about COVID-19 vaccination given their medical condition. Link with more info and most recent info: www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/recommendations/immuno.htmlIsn’t this the same list that they used to refer to as severely immune compromised? Maybe I’m misremembering. |
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Post by mollycoddle on Feb 21, 2022 12:41:34 GMT
Just for immune-compromised folks, I believe. I tried to make an appt at Walgreen’s to get another booster, but was not allowed. I suspect that will change soon, as some of us got our boosters back in October.
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Post by pridemom on Feb 21, 2022 15:37:30 GMT
I take immune suppressing drugs for RA. Some of those in the RA community on the same drugs have had three full doses and one booster. I have had three full doses. I see my rheumatologist in five weeks and will ask if he believes I need another dose. My daughter and I take the same treatment and we’ve both been able to avoid Covid so far. We’re both careful but between her being college and working as a grocery checker, I have been surprised.
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Post by withapea on Feb 21, 2022 15:49:53 GMT
I don’t understand why people who qualify aren’t getting the fourth shot, it has been approved. I wish the CDC stated that more clearly. I had my fourth. I’m also in a UT study that tests and tracks anti-bodies and I did have a significant boost after my fourth. ( much better than previous shots but testing was also closer to the booster date )
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2022 16:00:12 GMT
The third shot given to severely immune compromised is different to their 4th ( booster) shot here in the UK. In turn the booster shot for the non compromised isn't the same as the 3rd shot for the compromised - if that makes sense. I think it's something to do with the strength. The IC have been called to receive the 3rd since December and will be due their booster(4th) around about April time.
Immune compromised get 1.2.3 plus booster
Non immune compromised get 1. 2 plus booster.
For the severely compromised it is possible that they may not have responded as well as other people to their 1st and 2nd so their protection wasn't as high as everyone else. The third dose helps to improve their immune response and give them better protection. They are called for their boosters( 4th jab) 3 months following their 3rd jab.
Asthma and COPD and other similar medical problems are not classed as severely immune compromised here. They are clinically vulnerable but not IC. Only blood cancers (such as leukaemia or lymphoma) chemotherapy or radiotherapy patients, lowered immunity due to inherited disorders of the immune system an organ or bone marrow transplant and poorly controlled HIV patients are classed as IC.
I don't think it's necessary at this stage to jab everyone with another booster jab. There is no proof as yet ( it's too early) to get enough date to prove that 2 jabs plus a booster isn't sufficient for non immune compromised patients. There is also the ethics of rich countries boosting their citizens, maybe unnecessarily, while poorer countries haven't yet received enough supplies to even jab their citizens once or twice.
When there is more date as to how long that booster works for the ordinary person then there might be a need to review whether we all need another booster or even whether we need one every year. Too soon to tell yet though.
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Post by littlemama on Feb 21, 2022 16:16:06 GMT
For immunocompromised people, the third dose was a third dose not technically a booster (semantics, really). Once 5 months have passed since the third dose, immunocompromised people are eligible for their booster. They are not doing a good job of publicizing this- I just found out a week or two ago.
Same as the third dose for immunocompromised, this is only for immunocompromised, not those with comorbidities such as asthma or high blood pressure
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Post by peabay on Feb 21, 2022 16:42:23 GMT
My guess is the next round of immunizations will be like the flu shot, an annual preventative.
And that is based on no knowledge, no science, just my uninformed opinion.
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Post by tentoes on Feb 21, 2022 18:19:43 GMT
I wish they worked better to keep people from getting it. One of my friends is recovering for the third time.
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Post by littlemama on Feb 21, 2022 19:06:48 GMT
I don’t understand why people who qualify aren’t getting the fourth shot, it has been approved. I wish the CDC stated that more clearly. I had my fourth. I’m also in a UT study that tests and tracks anti-bodies and I did have a significant boost after my fourth. ( much better than previous shots but testing was also closer to the booster date ) Well, for one, they arent really making an effort to get the word out. Also, it hasnt been 5 months for most people who had the third dose. It is also disheartening that a chunk of the population refuses to get vaccinated to protect the health of the immunocompromised. It shouldnt still be this way and I should not be getting a 4th shot in less than a year. But I am. |
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Post by FurryP on Feb 21, 2022 19:58:32 GMT
I wish they worked better to keep people from getting it. One of my friends is recovering for the third time. Does she have any idea how she has been getting it? Like at work, people in her household that associate with others, or maybe she has to go out often? |
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Post by KikiPea on Feb 21, 2022 21:04:39 GMT
I’m not immunocompromised, but even it becomes available, I will not be getting the fourth shot. When it becomes an annual/ biannual shot, I will do that.
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Post by maryland on Feb 21, 2022 23:15:38 GMT
I don’t understand why people who qualify aren’t getting the fourth shot, it has been approved. I wish the CDC stated that more clearly. I had my fourth. I’m also in a UT study that tests and tracks anti-bodies and I did have a significant boost after my fourth. ( much better than previous shots but testing was also closer to the booster date ) Well, for one, they arent really making an effort to get the word out. Also, it hasnt been 5 months for most people who had the third dose. It is also disheartening that a chunk of the population refuses to get vaccinated to protect the health of the immunocompromised. It shouldnt still be this way and I should not be getting a 4th shot in less than a year. But I am. That's what is so frustrating! We have to keep getting more doses because people are too selfish to get vaccinated to help others. I have really been sad that so many are anti vax and anti mask. I really thought people were better than that. |
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Post by tentoes on Feb 22, 2022 20:42:11 GMT
Does she have any idea how she has been getting it? Like at work, people in her household that associate with others, or maybe she has to go out often? She is a hair dresser--so yes, she's out a lot! She has two little kids to raise so she HAS to work. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2022 21:01:58 GMT
I wish they worked better to keep people from getting it. One of my friends is recovering for the third time. I don't think they ever will do. It's the make-up of the virus. It mutates. If they found one for the Omicron they would possibly need another for the next mutation. Just like we have the flu jab each year. I have no doubt that is what is going to happen in the future for Covid too. Provided it doesn't mutate to a stronger more lethal strain then just like the flu people will catch it and feel unwell and the ones that are vulnerable or immune compromised or at risk will get a jab each year to protect themselves. Obviously the more people that are vaccinated now will in turn lessen the chances of it mutating. Not only does the vaccine protect you ( general you )from the full blown symptoms it also deprived the virus of a host to mutate. Covid 19 virus is a very different make up to that of the Measles virus for example. The measles virus does not mutate so it was a lot easier to, scientifically, find one that worked on your immune system permanently. |
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Post by christine58 on Feb 22, 2022 21:15:10 GMT
I wish they worked better to keep people from getting it. One of my friends is recovering for the third time. Makes me wonder if she’s vaccinated if the vaccine didn’t “take”. That happened to my sister in law’s two sisters who have MS |
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Post by tentoes on Feb 23, 2022 15:35:23 GMT
I wish they worked better to keep people from getting it. One of my friends is recovering for the third time. Makes me wonder if she’s vaccinated if the vaccine didn’t “take”. That happened to my sister in law’s two sisters who have MS Yes, she was vaccinated, and boosted. |
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Post by christine58 on Feb 23, 2022 16:11:54 GMT
Makes me wonder if she’s vaccinated if the vaccine didn’t “take”. That happened to my sister in law’s two sisters who have MS Yes, she was vaccinated, and boosted. So were/are my sister in law’s sisters however they had blood tests and there was no evidence of the vaccine. |
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Post by tentoes on Feb 23, 2022 17:21:01 GMT
Yes, she was vaccinated, and boosted. So were/are my sister in law’s sisters however they had blood tests and there was no evidence of the vaccine. Weird! |
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Post by dewryce on Feb 23, 2022 17:24:25 GMT
So were/are my sister in law’s sisters however they had blood tests and there was no evidence of the vaccine. Weird! It’s especially prevalent in those with immune issues like organ transplants, and those taking immunosuppressant medication. But not unheard of outside that scope. Their bodies just do not form the antibodies when exposed to the vaccine. If she has had it 3 times and is up-to-date with her vaccinations, it’s probably worth looking into. |
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Post by FrozenPea on Feb 23, 2022 17:27:05 GMT
I take immune suppressing drugs for RA. Some of those in the RA community on the same drugs have had three full doses and one booster. I have had three full doses. I see my rheumatologist in five weeks and will ask if he believes I need another dose. My daughter and I take the same treatment and we’ve both been able to avoid Covid so far. We’re both careful but between her being college and working as a grocery checker, I have been surprised. I am in the same boat as you. I have RA and take rutixan. I got covid at my infusion. It was the only place I had been.  Thankfully it was mild - cough, congestion, massive headache, chills, more fatigue than normal but no fever. I have had 3 vaccines and I see my dr next month and will be asking about a 4 as well. |
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Post by christine58 on Feb 23, 2022 18:56:27 GMT
So were/are my sister in law’s sisters however they had blood tests and there was no evidence of the vaccine. Weird! Yes. But they are on huge doses of steroids and other meds for their MS. |
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Post by micheley on Mar 3, 2022 16:31:25 GMT
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Thankfully it was mild - cough, congestion, massive headache, chills, more fatigue than normal but no fever. I have had 3 vaccines and I see my dr next month and will be asking about a 4 as well.