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Post by Deleted on Feb 28, 2022 16:53:49 GMT
You are always respectful.
There is also a "Ukraine news" thread that was started yesterday.
And just FYI I didn't post a tweet as I hate threads that have tons of tweets, especially in a row, because of the loading issue. I posted a link to an article, an image and part of the article.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 28, 2022 16:59:19 GMT
I'm not sure if it was general " world/Europe" public criticism or Swiss public criticism that made them walk back on the decision they made Friday that the sanctions would only apply to new businesses. I'm guessing it's the latter - Swiss public criticism of their own government. LINK
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Post by mollycoddle on Feb 28, 2022 17:08:18 GMT
Can we not clutter this thread with a rehash of a zillion tweets and old articles that Trump was a dumbass - it's been very informative and useful thread. It's about far more than "just being a dumbass". It's about ACTIONS TAKEN or NOT TAKEN that have an impact on Ukraine's ability to fight TODAY. I agree with you. It might have been an old Tweet, but it was relevant.
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Post by mollycoddle on Feb 28, 2022 17:10:12 GMT
If you understand Switzerland’s especially (and Sweden’s, they are sending defensive weapons) history of neutrality, this is big. Honestly, I can hardly believe it. It’s very good news!
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Post by andreasmom on Feb 28, 2022 17:12:25 GMT
If you understand Switzerland’s especially (and Sweden’s, they are sending defensive weapons) history of neutrality, this is big. Honestly, I can hardly believe it. It’s very good news! Simply amazing. Never in a million years would I have guessed Switzerland would do this.
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Feb 28, 2022 17:14:02 GMT
Are there going to be consequences for Belarus as well? On CNN this morning they said that soldiers from Belarus may be joining Russians in the invasion, in addition to what they have already done.
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Post by Jili on Feb 28, 2022 17:15:34 GMT
For those who follow aviation, this is an interesting time. Hats off to all the pilots and aircraft controls around the world now trying to reroute all these planes around Russia - not exactly a small landmass - haven't seen flightaware ever look quite like this (zoom out and into Europe/Asia and you'll see all the planes being directed around Russia as airspace has closed): flightaware.com/I've been watching this on my flight tracker app (Flightradar24) and it's been fascinating. There's not any air traffic that I can see in Belarus, either (other than Belavia, the country's national airline).
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Post by Just T on Feb 28, 2022 17:17:49 GMT
I can’t imagine being a citizen there are being faced with this when you go to get money from an ATM. 🥺Just like Stalin, a lot of his people are already suffering, and he compounds it from his ivory tower. Honestly, this makes me ache for the common folks in Russia, who probably are horrified by what is happening but can do little to stop it. While Putin sails around in his $97 million yacht, the average person suffers under his rule. And I doubt Putin really gives a shit that his people are suffering right now and unable to get their money. The oligarchs suffering? That might make him sit up and take notice, especially if they start putting pressure on him, which is a good thing. But it's still sad that the average every day person in Russia is suffering at the hands of a madman who cares about nothing but his own power hungry wants. ETA: I can't even imagine how horrible it would be if I went to try to get money from my bank to feed my family or buy gas for my car, only to see that message. The desperation they must feel is horrible.
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Post by sassyangel on Feb 28, 2022 17:24:30 GMT
For those who follow aviation, this is an interesting time. Hats off to all the pilots and aircraft controls around the world now trying to reroute all these planes around Russia - not exactly a small landmass - haven't seen flightaware ever look quite like this (zoom out and into Europe/Asia and you'll see all the planes being directed around Russia as airspace has closed): flightaware.com/I've been watching this on my flight tracker app (Flightradar24) and it's been fascinating. There's not any air traffic that I can see in Belarus, either (other than Belavia, the country's national airline). I love FlightAware, it’s such a fascinating app my inner nerd loves.
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Post by sassyangel on Feb 28, 2022 17:26:41 GMT
I can’t imagine being a citizen there are being faced with this when you go to get money from an ATM. 🥺Just like Stalin, a lot of his people are already suffering, and he compounds it from his ivory tower. Honestly, this makes me ache for the common folks in Russia, who probably are horrified by what is happening but can do little to stop it. While Putin sails around in his $97 million yacht, the average person suffers under his rule. And I doubt Putin really gives a shit that his people are suffering right now and unable to get their money. The oligarchs suffering? That might make him sit up and take notice, especially if they start putting pressure on him, which is a good thing. But it's still sad that the average every day person in Russia is suffering at the hands of a madman who cares about nothing but his own power hungry wants. ETA: I can't even imagine how horrible it would be if I went to try to get money from my bank to feed my family or buy gas for my car, only to see that message. The desperation they must feel is horrible. I’ve worried about this happening here, as the result of a hack. But never because the bank has no money and the economy is crashing. I feel for them, they’re paying dearly for the actions of a madman that a lot of them didn’t elect.
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Post by Just T on Feb 28, 2022 17:27:17 GMT
I’ve worried about this happening here, as the result of a hack. But never because the bank has no money and the economy is crashing. I worry about that, too. I have been stashing away some cash just in case.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 28, 2022 17:57:01 GMT
Ukrainian president signs formal request to join the European Union "Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskiy on Monday said he had signed an official request for Ukraine to join the European Union. Zelenskiy has asked the European Union to allow Ukraine to gain membership immediately under a special procedure as it defends itself from invasion by Russian forces." www.reuters.com/world/europe/ukrainian-president-signs-formal-request-join-european-union-2022-02-28/Perhaps Putin didn't 'war games' this out as well as he thinks he did.
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Post by lucyg on Feb 28, 2022 18:06:05 GMT
This is a Twitter thread on the same topic. Even the comments I read are knowledgeable and thought-provoking.
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Post by onelasttime on Feb 28, 2022 18:34:49 GMT
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Post by papersilly on Feb 28, 2022 18:46:47 GMT
russia may have the fire power but i'm pinning my hopes on the international community and the Ukrainian people.
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Post by gar on Feb 28, 2022 18:53:49 GMT
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Post by Just T on Feb 28, 2022 18:55:51 GMT
russia may have the fire power but i'm pinning my hopes on the international community and the Ukrainian people. Me too! I have a sneaky feeling that Putin is a bit surprised right now at how his unprovoked war on Ukraine is bringing so many together against him. Maybe the world did actually learn something from WWII about how to not enable a madman in his attempt to take over a continent.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Feb 28, 2022 18:56:31 GMT
Yes... One of the cable stations showed one of Tom Cruze that was almost perfect!! They said they are getting better evy day...dangerous!!
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Feb 28, 2022 18:57:01 GMT
Another question about sanctions....are they indefinite, regardless of what happens in Ukraine at this point? Or if Russia would decide to just leave, would the sanctions be lifted? I know it Is unlikely that Putin will leave without "winning" something. But I was just curious if there are conditions on the sanctions.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Feb 28, 2022 18:57:59 GMT
Sorry, I just had to add this tweet...
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Post by onelasttime on Feb 28, 2022 19:03:58 GMT
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Post by papersilly on Feb 28, 2022 19:06:49 GMT
russia may have the fire power but i'm pinning my hopes on the international community and the Ukrainian people. Me too! I have a sneaky feeling that Putin is a bit surprised right now at how his unprovoked war on Ukraine is bringing so many together against him. Maybe the world did actually learn something from WWII about how to not enable a madman in his attempt to take over a continent. yes, the international support and the regular citizens rising up has really restored my faith in humanity. when people say "crippling sanctions", i hope it's true. hit russia where it hurts---money. freeze accounts, freeze supplies, do what it takes.
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Post by lizacreates on Feb 28, 2022 19:33:52 GMT
(Source: The Hill) Federation Internationale de Football Association Bans Russia: FIFA, the global governing body of soccer, imposed on Monday an indefinite ban on Russia from participating in all competitions. The decision came amid international pressure to ban Russia from soccer's World Cup, which is to take place later this year in Qatar.
(Source: Foreign Policy) The United Nations plans on Monday to appeal for up to $2 billion in assistance over the next three months to address a looming humanitarian crisis in Ukraine, as hundreds of thousands of civilians flee their homes for safety and Russian forces continue their attacks on the nation’s major cities, according to a diplomatic source briefed on the plan.
(Source: BBC) The EU has imposed a blanket flight ban on Russian planes, the head of the European Commission, Ursula von der Leyen, has announced. "We are shutting down EU airspace for Russian-owned, Russian-registered or Russian-controlled aircraft," she said. All such planes, including the private jets of oligarchs, will now be unable to land in, take off from or fly over any EU nation. Russian planes have also been banned from UK airspace.
(Source: CNN) Five days into Russia's invasion of Ukraine, it seems things haven't gone exactly to plan for Vladimir Putin so far. Western intelligence officials briefed repeatedly over the weekend that Russian forces have encountered "stiffer than expected" resistance from an outmanned and outgunned Ukrainian military. Russia has thus far failed to take key cities across Ukraine, including the capital Kyiv. On Sunday, Ukrainian forces successfully repelled a Russian advance on a strategic airfield near Kharkiv, Ukraine's second-largest city, which has been under near-constant attack. In addition to a fierce fight back from Ukrainian forces and civilians, the Russian invasion has suffered logistical challenges, with soldiers on the front line running short of fuel, ammunition and food.
(Source: The Economist) On Monday, as financial markets began trading in Asia, the value of the Russian ruble collapsed. The cause was harsh Western sanctions introduced over the weekend. In effect these freeze Russia’s foreign currency reserves and begin to lock Russian banks out of the SWIFT network for arranging international transactions. If the weakness of the ruble endures and efforts to prevent capital from leaving the country continue, the financial damage to Russian businesses and livelihoods could be lasting.
(Source: The Guardian) The French president, Emmanuel Macron, spoke with the Russian leader, Vladimir Putin, in a phone call on Monday, where he reiterated demands to halt Russia’s offensive in Ukraine. The EU is preparing to grant Ukrainians who flee the war the right to stay and work in the 27-nation bloc for up to three years, EU officials said.
(Source: NBC News) The head of the U.N. refugee agency on Monday said that more than 500,000 people had fled Ukraine since the Russian invasion began last week — and more than half had gone to neighboring Poland. Poland has accepted the most Ukrainians, at 281,000, a global spokesman for the U.N. refugee agency told NBC News on Monday. Hungary has taken in nearly 85,000 refugees, while Moldova, Romania and Slovakia have each accepted 30,000 to around 36,000. Close to 35,000 have fled to other European countries.
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Post by hopemax on Feb 28, 2022 20:14:18 GMT
Another question about sanctions....are they indefinite, regardless of what happens in Ukraine at this point? Or if Russia would decide to just leave, would the sanctions be lifted? I know it Is unlikely that Putin will leave without "winning" something. But I was just curious if there are conditions on the sanctions. I have not seen any language in any of the reporting that these have expiration dates or "if Russia withdraws" language, so I assume that yes, they are indefinite. But your post, and including the word "winning" brings up something I've been thinking about... There is a lot of justified righteous anger toward the oligarchs and Russian political leadership. It is appropriate and necessary to squeeze the grip as tight as possible through sanctions. However, in order for the oligarchs and generals to actually take the steps to depose Putin they have to believe that doing so is in their best interest. Which means we are probably going to let some of them get away with things that they shouldn't. Like keeping some of the money, yachts, villas, etc. We need to, in the back of our minds, think about what that might look like. After the fighting has stopped, it won't be anywhere close to over. Any effective, long term solution is going to have to include economic recovery plans for Russia, not just Ukraine. Which is going to open a whole discussion about why Russia, the oppressor, the instigator gets economic recovery when there are so many oppressed the West is not helping. But we can't drive Russia into China's hands. The historical example of post-WWI Germany, the success of participating in Germany and Japan's post-WWII recovery, and acknowledging the ways that not doing more to support the former Soviet states post-fall sewed the seeds for someone like Putin. We definitely need to make sure that there are a lot of clearly spelled out conditions for how they can buy themselves back in, and severe punishments for failure to meet them, but "rules" might not seem like enough to quell all the righteous anger. It's okay to be unsatisfied, and acknowledge the unfairness in all of it, even while recognizing the necessity for long term goals of expansion of freedom, democracy and prosperity. And I would feel a whole lot better if the rules weren't just intended for Russian oligarchs but for the Western entities that have profited by participation in the kleptocracy. You... USA, UK, German business entity do not just get to go back to operating in Russia as if nothing has happened.
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Post by sassyangel on Feb 28, 2022 21:47:39 GMT
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Feb 28, 2022 21:59:39 GMT
Some of the yachts are moving. Russian oligarch yachts are on the move as hefty sanctions take hold Sarah K. Burris February 28, 2022 CNBC reported Monday that four Russian oligarchs' yachts are on the move as the sanctions from the majority of the international community are taking hold. *** Putin's superyacht was moved at the beginning of February, but other billionaires are only now beginning to move them, CNBC reported, citing information from MarineTraffic.com. Three appear to be moving toward the Maldives, which doesn't have an extradition treaty with the United States.Vagit Alekperov, the president of Russia's Lukoil, moved his yacht to Montenegro, which is part of the European Union and NATO, both of which issued sanctions. *** "Oleg Deripaska’s yacht known as Clio left Sri Lanka almost two weeks ago and is expected to arrive in the Maldives shortly, according to Marine Traffic," said CNBC. "Deripaska and companies associated with him were sanctioned in 2018 by the United States. He’s been one of a few Russia-based billionaires who have come out in opposing the conflict in Ukraine." *** Other Russian billionaires are moving their yachts to other locations in an effort to keep them from being seized. However, many of the superyachts are still in dry docks...... www.rawstory.com/oligarch-yahts-move-sanctions/
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Post by gillyp on Feb 28, 2022 22:04:30 GMT
I don’t know. I seem to recall someone whose name begins with S or C.
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Post by MichyM on Feb 28, 2022 22:05:17 GMT
I forgot to check did the Russian stock market open today, or has he taken the “if it doesn’t open, it can’t crash” approach, that seems somehow very familiar? It remained closed today (Monday). It is now about 2am in Moscow, so we'll know by (our) bedtime if the Russian stock market opens on Tuesday. ETA: I just checked with Alexa, according to her it is 1am in Moscow currently. So they are 11 hours ahead of the west coast, and 8 hours ahead of the east coast.
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Post by sassyangel on Feb 28, 2022 22:06:39 GMT
I forgot to check did the Russian stock market open today, or has he taken the “if it doesn’t open, it can’t crash” approach, that seems somehow very familiar? It remained closed today (Monday). It is now about 2am in Moscow, so we'll know by (our) bedtime if the Russian stock market opens on Tuesday. I went looking, it’s closed until March 5.
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Post by MichyM on Feb 28, 2022 22:07:45 GMT
It remained closed today (Monday). It is now about 2am in Moscow, so we'll know by (our) bedtime if the Russian stock market opens on Tuesday. I went looking, it’s closed until March 5. Oh wow. Thanks for that info.
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