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Post by hopemax on Mar 3, 2022 23:58:57 GMT
my fear in all this is that the media coverage will wain. that it will become just another war being waged overseas. i don't want it to fall off the headlines. we have to keep the pressure on Putin. he won't stop attacking so international awareness and support must not end. It's going to be hard to ignore this one. Even without an official declaration of WWIII, this is where we are in terms of impacts. Debated putting this in this thread or starting a new one about the fallout. We know about the West's dependence on Russian oil & gas in calculating the risk of doing something other than just letting Russia have Ukraine. Here's the other big problem: Russia & Ukraine supply 29% of the World's wheat. 75% of sunflower oil. Ukraine is the 4th largest exporter of corn. For us in the West, it means higher prices, and any grain based product will be affected. For Africa, the Middle East, the other former Soviet states it means potential starvation. In addition to all the aid we are sending to Ukraine, the Eastern European countries for the refugee crisis there... we're going to have to find some way to mitigate this disaster. Canada, the US, France, Australia are top wheat exporters, but we can't increase production fast enough to cover the short term shortages. And there's still the problem of the shipping containers all being in the wrong place. This is part of why Putin bet on the West letting him have his way, the costs are going to be so very, very, high and Western citizens are not going to be prepared for it, in the same way Russian citizens aren't prepared for what's coming their way. People are betting on Russian citizens uprising to depose him, he's betting we will do the same (at the ballot box) rather than risk our comforts and savings.
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Post by onelasttime on Mar 4, 2022 0:39:28 GMT
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Post by onelasttime on Mar 4, 2022 1:01:49 GMT
It doesn’t take a nuclear scientist to understand you don’t attack a nuclear power plant in a country next to your own country.
And this is another reason why I’m against nuclear power. It is a target that can do a lot of damage & not just in the surrounding area but damage to wherever the wind blows.
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Mar 4, 2022 1:04:20 GMT
This gives me no pleasure to say, but even if its military and citizens have not wavered one bit, Ukraine is outgunned. I’m afraid Russia will end up overtaking this country. Putin will install a puppet gov’t there as predicted, but he’ll never have legitimacy and Ukrainians will continue to take back their country. All is not lost yet. It is a race against time. Yes, Russia has a huge convoy - but how much of that is fighters and how much of that is support? So far, logistics seem to be very bad. The Russians are running out of fuel, food, and other surprised. If it's all fighters, they may win firefights - but they won't have anything to eat, or ammo if they run out. If it's lots of support, those are easy targets to take out. Yes, Russia has the country surrounded. But this war is costing billions per day - and Russia has lost the value of most of its currency. It doesn't have access to Euros, Dollars, or Yen. Other countries refuse to do business with them, so they don't have the raw materials to make more weapons. Using their own resources, it will take months if not years to rebuild the materiel that they've already lost. The economy of Russia has tanked. People have panicked and withdrawn cash and banks are failing. The stock market is closed. The average Russian person is going to be going through some difficult times. The oligarchs are now having to live the lives of actual Russians - not rich, international jet-setters. If Putin keeps talking crazy, it is only a matter of time before someone takes him out. Sure, he's got security. But so do all of the oligarchs. He was the richest man in the world - but is he still? If he can't get any more foreign currency or goods, all it takes is one oligarch with good connections to an EU or NATO government to fund him and that security can be bought over. If it comes down to "you all get to live the lives of peasants instead of wealthy rulers because I want to take Ukraine" or "you are all going to die in a nuclear holocaust because of my ego" - I would imagine someone will try to take him out. The people of Russia are getting actual information, not propaganda. Never before has an entire WORLD tried to work against them in a sort of cyber warfare. Not just hackers, but regular people doing what they can to get the message out. The moms getting calls from their sons in Ukraine - do you think they won't tell their friends? Regular Russians are now feeling the hurt - worthless rubles, goods in stores are gone, they can't get Spotify or Netflix, their trips abroad have been cancelled, their sports teams have been banned. Their lives are getting worse, very quickly. How long can Putin hold out? Sure, he can arrest protestors - but what happens when the police making the arrests realize the paychecks aren't coming, or aren't covering basic necessities? Your pist is actually comforting. Thank you!!!!
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Post by onelasttime on Mar 4, 2022 1:04:55 GMT
& this response..
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Mar 4, 2022 1:17:37 GMT
The nuclear plant is toward the south, I think, where he is trying to take the whole area to have a land bridge from Crimea to Donbas which is Russian held . The only area not 'held" is Mariupol which has been under extreme fire/bombings.
To the west of Crimea they are trying to get to Odessa which will cut Ukraine from all access to the ports, both east and west of Crimea, but gives Russia full access for supply chains etc.
ETA 9:43PM EST Large gathering of Russian ships in Black Sea off shore at Odessa for possible attack/landing to breech the port ...
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Post by Deleted on Mar 4, 2022 1:33:07 GMT
Putin is compelled by God to take over Ukraine to join Egypt to invade and destroy Israel..The loons are all loose! Such great christians they are... "“All of those troops there are going to be coming against Israel in the latter days. And God says, ‘I am going to take care of it.’ But is Putin insane? Well, yes and no. “Because he is being driven to move against Israel because God says ‘I’m going to put hooks in your jaws and I’m going to bring you down on them.’ Now you get the picture. “And there is the land that is set up in Ezekiel 38 and you see how Ukraine is key because you see the land bridge between Bulgaria, Greece, and Turkey. “And I think you can say, ‘Well, Putin is out of his mind,’ and yes, maybe so. But at the same time, he’s being compelled by God. " Pat seems positively GIDDY about Putin invading a sovereign nation, the death of civilians, the bombing their homes and landmarks. His god, "the Prince of Peace and Lord of Love", has “compelled” Putin to do all of this, so he can finally kick-start the glorious Endtimes (tm). I wish his god would spend a little more time preventing little children being raped and a little less time on early 21st century geopolitics. If he's real (imo, "no"), he can just end the earth and/or solar system and/or universe whenever he feels like it. Why the song and dance? Past Pat Robertson prophecies: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pat_Robertson#Predictions 2004: Said GW Bush would win in a landslide. Dubya did win, but it was adjudicated by SCOTUS and far from a "landslide" 2006: Claimed that his god had told him during prayer that storms and maybe a tsunami would wipe out the Pacific Northwest. Nope. Still there. 2007: Predicted a major terrorist attack on the United States. In January 2008, when that failed to happen, he said Christians must have prayed hard enough to change Yahweh’s mind. 2008: Issued a press release claiming that the Mideast would get into a major nuclear war that year–and said it’d bleed into the US at least on the coasts. Nope. 2020: Robertson predicted Trump would win the 2020 elections. Nope. That there would be assassination attempts against Trump. Nope. That a meteor would destroy the planet. Still nope. Yet people send him MILLIONS per year, and he sits on estimated wealth of several hundred million to A BILLION DOLLARS, to sit there and stoke "End Times" fairy tales. The end may come. But it will have NOTHING TO DO w/Pat, his God, or his nonsense.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Mar 4, 2022 1:41:45 GMT
The same way former was the choosen one... All good christians..
(Guess my auto correct has learned my lower case "c"...
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Post by onelasttime on Mar 4, 2022 1:42:59 GMT
Well duh!
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Post by sassyangel on Mar 4, 2022 2:26:48 GMT
I’m not so worried about it blowing up (it’s not not RBMK but BWR) but meltdown is a possibility. Hopefully now they’re in they can put out the fire, they’ve been able to keep the fuel rods cool and safe, and none of the cooling functions and redundancies have been damaged.
What worries me most is that shelling and starting fires near a huge power plant is beyond unhinged behavior by the Russian military. That clear lack of restraint worries me most. 😵💫🥺
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Post by onelasttime on Mar 4, 2022 2:36:17 GMT
Seriously. He knows what will happen if the US sends troops or even fly drones into Ukrainian airspace to take out that convoy. It would become a war between Russia and the US with nukes.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Mar 4, 2022 2:39:03 GMT
Lindsey Graham is an ass! Former would have handed Ukraine to Putin...
Real tough guy he was!
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Mar 4, 2022 3:12:38 GMT
Another thing that I have been thinking about is if Putin wants to take over Ukraine and sees it if value for Russia, why destroy it? What is the plan when the country is decimated and everything needs to be rebuilt? How is that of benefit to Russia? This is so senseless in so many ways. He doesn't care what is left. He just wants the toy (Ukraine) so no one else can have it. His own country is hardly anything to brag about...he's barely taking care of what he already 'has'. He most likely has no intention of developing the Ukraine after he levels it. He wants to rule the world and the more land mass he has, the happier he will be. When you’re an authoritarian dictator, you keep the people you rule in poverty. I’m starting to feel like China will take over Russia once Putin destroys it.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Mar 4, 2022 3:15:26 GMT
Lt Honore has words of wisdom ... Or not...
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Post by onelasttime on Mar 4, 2022 3:18:05 GMT
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Post by Scrapper100 on Mar 4, 2022 4:04:10 GMT
And then there is Lyndsay Graham tweeting that someone should assassinate P. Seriously a current congressman. No matter your feelings he shouldn’t tweet that.
I did see a tweet that there is a bounty on his head though.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Mar 4, 2022 4:07:01 GMT
Lindsey like or not Putin is a head of state. I don't even say he should be knocked off.. If one of his people made the decision, oh well...
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Mar 4, 2022 4:40:47 GMT
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Mar 4, 2022 5:33:09 GMT
12:33am EDT Mar 4th Ukraine Emergency Service says the fire near the nuclear plant has been put out!
MSNBC
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Post by onelasttime on Mar 4, 2022 6:00:24 GMT
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Post by sassyangel on Mar 4, 2022 6:57:51 GMT
Another day where Lindsay Graham is a clown car of stupidity.
It’s one thing for us random nobodies to say Putin should be assassinated on a random message board, it is another thing entirely for a sitting us senator to say it on national tv. 🙄🤦🏼♀️
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Post by Deleted on Mar 4, 2022 10:25:37 GMT
It's going to be hard to ignore this one. Even without an official declaration of WWIII, this is where we are in terms of impacts. Debated putting this in this thread or starting a new one about the fallout. We know about the West's dependence on Russian oil & gas in calculating the risk of doing something other than just letting Russia have Ukraine. Here's the other big problem: Russia & Ukraine supply 29% of the World's wheat. 75% of sunflower oil. Ukraine is the 4th largest exporter of corn. For us in the West, it means higher prices, and any grain based product will be affected. For Africa, the Middle East, the other former Soviet states it means potential starvation. In addition to all the aid we are sending to Ukraine, the Eastern European countries for the refugee crisis there... we're going to have to find some way to mitigate this disaster. Canada, the US, France, Australia are top wheat exporters, but we can't increase production fast enough to cover the short term shortages. And there's still the problem of the shipping containers all being in the wrong place. This is part of why Putin bet on the West letting him have his way, the costs are going to be so very, very, high and Western citizens are not going to be prepared for it, in the same way Russian citizens aren't prepared for what's coming their way. People are betting on Russian citizens uprising to depose him, he's betting we will do the same (at the ballot box) rather than risk our comforts and savings. We are already entering into a drought that has severely affected the agriculture here. So many have suffered because of Covid restrictions as well. There is already talk here about the wheat shortage...as bread is a HUGE part of the Moroccan diet. I am very concerned what the next several months are going to look like here.
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Post by gar on Mar 4, 2022 10:56:35 GMT
Being taken out by one of his own citizens would be poetic justice. It would but...I also think a swift dispatch would be too good for him. I want hm to be tried for war crimes and to be held in prison for the rest of his life.
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Post by mollycoddle on Mar 4, 2022 11:40:52 GMT
I keep wondering about what happens after. For the sake of argument, let’s say that Putin gains overall control of Ukraine, but insurgents remain, making control very difficult for the Russians. Will we lift sanctions?
I cannot see how Russia ( as a country led by Putin-NOT the Russian people- remains anything but a pariah. Putin is a war criminal. How will the West go about establishing relationships with Russia as long as he is in power? I don’t see how that can happen. So the Russian people will suffer too. This is horrible on so many levels. All of this for one small power-hungry war criminal who longs for the glory days.
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Post by gar on Mar 4, 2022 11:57:32 GMT
How will the West go about establishing relationships with Russia as long as he is in power?I think this may be the key point...I believe that his days are numbered one way or another, as leader at least.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 4, 2022 12:22:44 GMT
If you want to know what Putin plans to do....just look at Syria. This is what he does...DESTROY!
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Post by pyccku on Mar 4, 2022 12:57:23 GMT
How will the West go about establishing relationships with Russia as long as he is in power?I think this may be the key point...I believe that his days are numbered one way or another, as leader at least. I believe so as well. Whether it is coup, an assassination, or just health issues, I think he will be out eventually. During Stalin's time, everyone was terrified to go after him. But if they had, they could have become the next leader of the country. All it takes is one general, one oligarch saying "this guy is a disaster - I'd be better at this than he is, he must be stopped" and it will happen. I do think he has health issues that are affecting his actions. If he is immunocompromised in some way, I'm sure there is some sort of biological agent that he could be exposed to. It's just a matter of who wants to do it and what resources they have.
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Post by Bridget in MD on Mar 4, 2022 13:04:12 GMT
I keep wondering about what happens after. For the sake of argument, let’s say that Putin gains overall control of Ukraine, but insurgents remain, making control very difficult for the Russians. Will we lift sanctions? I cannot see how Russia ( as a country led by Putin-NOT the Russian people- remains anything but a pariah. Putin is a war criminal. How will the West go about establishing relationships with Russia as long as he is in power? I don’t see how that can happen. So the Russian people will suffer too. This is horrible on so many levels. All of this for one small power-hungry war criminal who longs for the glory days. Putin just said they will deal and come out better: “We will just have to move some projects a little to the right, to acquire additional competencies. But we will still solve the problems that we face” he said. “In the end, we will even benefit from this because we will acquire additional competencies.”
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Post by mollycoddle on Mar 4, 2022 13:45:25 GMT
How will the West go about establishing relationships with Russia as long as he is in power?I think this may be the key point...I believe that his days are numbered one way or another, as leader at least. I am wondering what happens to the Russian and Ukrainian people; Will sanctions be lifted? I guess that I’m wondering how this ends. Assuming that Putin remains in power for awhile.
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Post by mollycoddle on Mar 4, 2022 13:47:05 GMT
I keep wondering about what happens after. For the sake of argument, let’s say that Putin gains overall control of Ukraine, but insurgents remain, making control very difficult for the Russians. Will we lift sanctions? I cannot see how Russia ( as a country led by Putin-NOT the Russian people- remains anything but a pariah. Putin is a war criminal. How will the West go about establishing relationships with Russia as long as he is in power? I don’t see how that can happen. So the Russian people will suffer too. This is horrible on so many levels. All of this for one small power-hungry war criminal who longs for the glory days. Putin just said they will deal and come out better: “We will just have to move some projects a little to the right, to acquire additional competencies. But we will still solve the problems that we face” he said. “In the end, we will even benefit from this because we will acquire additional competencies.” Well, that’s scary. Am I reading him right? “Keep your sanctions; we will fend for ourselves.” That does not bode well for anyone.
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