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Post by revirdsuba99 on Mar 5, 2022 19:49:33 GMT
And another. Republicans are just fucking morons. This country is doomed. #1- why is she wasting his time?!?! #2- let's see her stand up in the Senate and call for more help and at the same tell the world, particularly her constituents, that it is going to cost billions and too many lives!!
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Post by hopemax on Mar 5, 2022 20:05:42 GMT
Just some thoughts, feel free to think I'm crazy. If NATO were to intervene in Ukraine, what would need to happen?
Forces have to be in position Citizens have to support it, even knowing the risks of escalation Russia has to believe up until the very last moment, NATO won't do it (like Europe believed about the Ukrainian invasion in the first place) or that they would find out in advance and be able to rain hell on Ukraine in the hours or days that they can.
I could presume the first is happening. How are we, or Putin, to know that the crap ton of stuff being sent to Ukraine's borders are all defensive and shoring up NATO's borders?
Thinking about the other two and this mornings nonsense, I'm not sure it's 100% as straight-forward as it appears. Possible NATO intervention needs to be kept secret up until the very last moment. It serves the plan if it looks like the US can't keep anything secret. Many people are royally pissed off, bolstering support to do whatever needs to be done to help Ukraine. Also, if Ukrainian special forces know exactly where Russian mercenaries are heading (in locating the site of the zoom meeting) that wouldn't be a bad thing, if they know President Zelensky is secure. Rubio's tweet was first? The others are all just piggy-backing? The others... 100% moron. It's Rubio's, given his committee position, that I have questions about. He should really, really, really know better unless he is being used as an intentional leak. Someone Putin would believe is tweeting out of self-interest, not US psy ops.
It's still 99% chance of moron, and the US can't keep a secret, but everyone is playing mind games. The tweet is still up, and that gives me a moment of pause.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Mar 5, 2022 20:13:59 GMT
#1- -Rubio AND Daines tweeted during the meeting...Period,
The big mouths in DC will tell all to their lord and master.. no hope for secracy just proven TODAY..by the above morons!!!
NATO goes in.. the world will likely be destroyed...
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Post by lucyg on Mar 5, 2022 20:26:09 GMT
Just some thoughts, feel free to think I'm crazy. If NATO were to intervene in Ukraine, what would need to happen? Forces have to be in position Citizens have to support it, even knowing the risks of escalation Russia has to believe up until the very last moment, NATO won't do it (like Europe believed about the Ukrainian invasion in the first place) or that they would find out in advance and be able to rain hell on Ukraine in the hours or days that they can. I could presume the first is happening. How are we, or Putin, to know that the crap ton of stuff being sent to Ukraine's borders are all defensive and shoring up NATO's borders? Thinking about the other two and this mornings nonsense, I'm not sure it's 100% as straight-forward as it appears. Possible NATO intervention needs to be kept secret up until the very last moment. It serves the plan if it looks like the US can't keep anything secret. Many people are royally pissed off, bolstering support to do whatever needs to be done to help Ukraine. Also, if Ukrainian special forces know exactly where Russian mercenaries are heading (in locating the site of the zoom meeting) that wouldn't be a bad thing, if they know President Zelensky is secure. Rubio's tweet was first? The others are all just piggy-backing? The others... 100% moron. It's Rubio's, given his committee position, that I have questions about. He should really, really, really know better unless he is being used as an intentional leak. Someone Putin would believe is tweeting out of self-interest, not US psy ops. It's still 99% chance of moron, and the US can't keep a secret, but everyone is playing mind games. The tweet is still up, and that gives me a moment of pause. Good God, I would so much rather believe that even the Marco Rubios of the world have a hidden agenda that’s actually on the right side, than that they are just self-serving, moronic treason weasels who will be re-elected all the same. IOKIYAR
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Mar 5, 2022 20:49:52 GMT
CNN: reporting they are wiping out all cultural sites.
*** Next to bomb the cities ..
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Post by pinklady on Mar 5, 2022 20:59:05 GMT
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Mar 5, 2022 21:06:31 GMT
ROFLMAO!!!!
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Mar 5, 2022 21:09:12 GMT
In Novopskov the Russians are shooting protesters!! At least three hit.
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Post by hopemax on Mar 5, 2022 21:11:23 GMT
#1- -Rubio AND Daines tweeted during the meeting...Period, The big mouths in DC will tell all to their lord and master.. no hope for secracy just proven TODAY..by the above morons!!! NATO goes in.. the world will likely be destroyed... The calculus on NATO = world destruction was that the Russian military was far superior than what it appears to be now, and China would back them up. China doesn't want the world destroyed, and their commitments to Russia are more suspect. We should not ignore that they want an out, too, now that the Russian military has been exposed. Even in a situation *without* NATO involvement, Putin's very quickly running out of other types of weaponry, so what does he reach for next? If he is willing to use them against NATO, why wouldn't he also be willing to use them when that's all he has left? WWIII, conventional, is becoming less and less likely because Russia does not have the military to invade anywhere else. They are to the point of bringing in minivans by train as part of their resupply efforts. Don't interpret my post that NATO *will* get involved, but if all Putin has left is surrender or nuclear, even with NATO on the sidelines, he may not pick surrender, and NATO would need to be prepared for that. Or everyone could determine that the nuclear threat is just a threat, so not going in, only means Ukrainians die by thermobaric, chemical and bioweapon attacks. Obviously first, second, third, etc. choices remain for the Ukrainians to be able to hold out until someone in Russia comes to their senses and Russia withdraws. We need to list out what Russian options really are left, and if we can live with the consequences of each one of those options.
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Mar 5, 2022 22:27:31 GMT
#1- -Rubio AND Daines tweeted during the meeting...Period, The big mouths in DC will tell all to their lord and master.. no hope for secracy just proven TODAY..by the above morons!!! NATO goes in.. the world will likely be destroyed... The calculus on NATO = world destruction was that the Russian military was far superior than what it appears to be now, and China would back them up. China doesn't want the world destroyed, and their commitments to Russia are more suspect. We should not ignore that they want an out, too, now that the Russian military has been exposed. Even in a situation *without* NATO involvement, Putin's very quickly running out of other types of weaponry, so what does he reach for next? If he is willing to use them against NATO, why wouldn't he also be willing to use them when that's all he has left? WWIII, conventional, is becoming less and less likely because Russia does not have the military to invade anywhere else. They are to the point of bringing in minivans by train as part of their resupply efforts. Don't interpret my post that NATO *will* get involved, but if all Putin has left is surrender or nuclear, even with NATO on the sidelines, he may not pick surrender, and NATO would need to be prepared for that. Or everyone could determine that the nuclear threat is just a threat, so not going in, only means Ukrainians die by thermobaric, chemical and bioweapon attacks. Obviously first, second, third, etc. choices remain for the Ukrainians to be able to hold out until someone in Russia comes to their senses and Russia withdraws. We need to list out what Russian options really are left, and if we can live with the consequences of each one of those options. I think we also need to be concerned with why Putin is now claiming that sanctions are a sign of war. I think he may be trying to use that as a justification to using nuclear weapons—on Ukraine or others.
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Post by sassyangel on Mar 5, 2022 22:28:26 GMT
Mastercard and Visa are suspending operations in Russia.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Mar 5, 2022 23:10:25 GMT
Russian best and brightest leaving Russia, some without even packing their stuff. Moscow is losing its ‘best and brightest’ as young Russians flee Putin’s totalitarian state: reports Bob Brigham March 05, 2022 Russia is suffering a brain drain as some of its "best and brightest" flee the country after Vladimir Putin's totalitarian crackdown to prevent dissent over his invasion of Ukraine. "The Russian middle class as we knew it took decades to grow. It fell apart in days. Then, the exodus began. Journalists, businessmen, artists, popular TV presenters, pop stars – some of Russia’s most talented professionals were fleeing the country," Rolling Stone reported on Saturday. "Outside the big, graceful windows Moscow put on display to the world, its House of Cards was falling apart." Russian-born American jouranlist Julia Ioffe has also reported on the exodus from Russia. "The choice to flee or stay was now a matter of survival. By Thursday, the exodus became so chaotic, there were hardly any good friends left in the city," Rolling Stone reported. "Many Russian journalists panicked. People evacuated without time to pack — or think of the future." But as Russians try to flee, sanctions are making it more difficult to leave the country, CBC News reported. www.rawstory.com/russia-brain-drain-exodus/
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Mar 5, 2022 23:22:21 GMT
Earlier I heard that Putin is sending 1,000 more mercenaries into Ukraine.
*** Biden has issued TPS for Ukrainians who are presently living in the United States.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Mar 5, 2022 23:35:14 GMT
It is getting worse. There appears to be more gun fire. Europe is facing a massive refugee crisis as Ukrainians flee Russian troops invading their country. "More than 1.45 million people have left Ukraine since Russia invaded the country nine days ago, the International Organization for Migration said on Saturday, sparking what the United Nations agency described as the fastest and largest displacement of people in Europe since World War II. Since Russia invaded Ukraine last week, large numbers of Ukrainians have fled, west not east.. www.rawstory.com/russia-ukraine-refugees/
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Post by hopemax on Mar 6, 2022 0:06:19 GMT
Good God, I would so much rather believe that even the Marco Rubios of the world have a hidden agenda that’s actually on the right side, than that they are just self-serving, moronic treason weasels who will be re-elected all the same. IOKIYAR It is a very thin thread! But throughout this I've felt like his tweets during this, have had a sense of "Someone wants this information out there, and can't do it through more official channels like the White House or Secretary of State." Or this stuff needs to be believed by citizens who identify as Republican, and they won't believe Democrats or the media. Also, realistically, any spies that have a chance of operating successfully as far as Russia goes, are going to have to sound a lot like Marco Rubio vs Bernie Sanders. Not that Marco Rubio is a super spy. Just someone who has been told and generally cooperated with: be yourself, let us (US intelligence) know if you hear anything interesting, even potentially from other colleagues who are more easily taken advantage of. As the GOP goes, he is very self-serving, but not completely brain dead. Trump was definitely a problem, but his people were all stupid. It's the smart asshole, we really have to worry about. So if he is "helping not hurting"...it's actually worse for us, because then he will run on it, when it's all over. Or he could still just be a moron. Note: this also means the Russian operatives we have to worry about aren't just on the GOP side, but the ones that sound reasonable to the other side of the aisle. People share dirt when they think they are talking to an ally, not an enemy.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Mar 6, 2022 1:01:58 GMT
State Dept: all Americans, exit Russia immediately!!
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Mar 6, 2022 8:41:03 GMT
FAILURE
Sky News which is broadcasting over MSNBC: around 3:30am EDT Cease fire for humanitarian evacuation from Mariupol 10am-9pm their time..
Red Cross will have busses at three locations starting (or leaving) at noon. (Not sure if tomorrow is Sunday or Monday) Private vehicles can also follow at the same time. Everyone must only travel on assigned route.
Of course I hope this works, since the last try didn't go so well ...
*** There is a very large group of Asian Indian students stuck in Sumy which is way north east very near the Russian border. Attempts are being made to get them out through the Indian and Russian Embassies. About 20,000 have already been evacuated from all over Ukraine.
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Post by used2scrap on Mar 6, 2022 8:49:08 GMT
Putin has declared war on more then Ukraine. It’s just going to keep escalating. 😢
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Post by Deleted on Mar 6, 2022 10:27:28 GMT
Sky News which is broadcasting over MSNBC: around 3:30am EDT Cease fire for humanitarian evacuation from Mariupol 10am-9pm their time.. Red Cross will have busses at three locations starting (or leaving) at noon. (Not sure if tomorrow is Sunday or Monday) Private vehicles can also follow at the same time. Everyone must only travel on assigned route. Of course I hope this works, since the last try didn't go so well ... *** There is a very large group of Asian Indian students stuck in Sumy which is way north east very near the Russian border. Attempts are being made to get them out through the Indian and Russian Embassies. About 20,000 have already been evacuated from all over Ukraine. *** It is supposed to happen today ( Sunday) at 12 noon Ukraine time ( the time now as I am writing this post is 12.24 in Ukraine. It's 10.24 am here in the UK. I won't hold my breath though as the evacuation had to be abandoned on Saturday as Russia continued with their firing.
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Post by pyccku on Mar 6, 2022 11:35:42 GMT
A long thread, but interesting. fSB is like our CIA.
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Mar 6, 2022 13:58:04 GMT
A long thread, but interesting. fSB is like our CIA. That is interesting but I’m curious where the original came from?
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Post by pyccku on Mar 6, 2022 14:13:19 GMT
That is interesting but I’m curious where the original came from? No idea who the "current FSB analyst" is - if it's a real analyst, they wouldn't release the name. If it's not a real analyst, it's a masterful bit of mental disinfo calculated to cause everyone within the FSB to become paranoid. As bad as this war is going, I have to say that it's honestly EXACTLY how I would expect a Russian war vs. better-prepared and better-armed resistance to go. Russia has always relied heavily on conscripts who don't really want to be there and aren't exactly the best and the brightest. Their military has been maintained about as well as expected - which is to say, not very well. There is a HUGE gap between officers and the enlisted, there is no NCO corps in the Russian system. And they are very much top-down oriented - which means that the guys following the orders may have no actual idea what the purpose of the mission really is. The old joke about in the US, everything is built by the lowest bidder comes into mind. But we expect our military hardware to actually WORK, and we try to maintain it in working condition. I did see a joke on twitter last week about "Russia's about to find out why the US doesn't have universal healthcare" - because we spend all of our $$$ on our military. The thing is, Russia has a very small budget compared to most other countries, so even if they spend a high percentage on the military, they won't have nearly as much as western countries have to show for it. Their soldiers don't want to be there, and they are just looking for the day they can get out. Compare that to Ukraine - their entire male civilian population (and many of the females) are now focused 100% on Ukraine surviving the war. They have thousands of combat-experienced soldiers from other countries CHOOSING to come fight on their behalf. And they are being armed with the best hardware the west can give them. Russia has a military run by a system of middle-management types.
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Post by gar on Mar 6, 2022 14:14:18 GMT
I won't hold my breath though as the evacuation had to be abandoned on Saturday as Russia continued with their firing. It's been halted again
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Mar 6, 2022 14:18:26 GMT
Cease fire is a FAILURE
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Post by Deleted on Mar 6, 2022 14:24:51 GMT
No idea who the "current FSB analyst" is - if it's a real analyst, they wouldn't release the name. If it's not a real analyst, it's a masterful bit of mental disinfo calculated to cause everyone within the FSB to become paranoid.
I'm especially hoping it's true that the Russians have lost their supporters in Ukraine for the scope of this unprovoked invasion.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 6, 2022 14:31:32 GMT
Especially gripping:
Is there a possibility of a localized nuclear strike (in Ukraine)? Yes. Not for any military objectives. Such a weapon won’t help with the breach of the defenses. But with a goal of scaring everyone else (The West).
We are plowing to create a scenario to blame everything on Ukraine. Naryshkin (Director of Foreign Intelligence Service of Russia) and his SVR is digging the ground to prove that Ukraine was secretly building nuclear weapons. F*&K.
They are hammering at what we’ve already analyzed and closed the book on: We can’t just make up any evidence or proof and existence of specialists and Uranium. Ukraine has a ton of depleted isotope 238 – this is nothing. The production cycle is such that you can’t do it in secret
A dirty bomb can’t be created in secret. Ukraine’s old nuclear power plants can only produce the material as a by-product in minimal amounts. The Americans have such monitoring at these plants with MAGATE that even talking about this is stupid.
Do you know what will start in a week? Let’s let it be even in 2 weeks. We are going to be so screwed we will start reminiscing about the good ol’ hungry days of the 90s.
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Mar 6, 2022 14:32:47 GMT
No idea who the "current FSB analyst" is - if it's a real analyst, they wouldn't release the name. If it's not a real analyst, it's a masterful bit of mental disinfo calculated to cause everyone within the FSB to become paranoid.
I'm especially hoping it's true that the Russians have lost their supporters in Ukraine for the scope of this unprovoked invasion.
Pyccku originally posted the thread, I was just quoting it. I do find it a little reassuring that Putin clearly doesn’t want to die. I was talking to my mom about that yesterday, but the author of those tweets mentioned it as well. The only thing is if Putin doesn’t see any other options, will he hold back?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 6, 2022 14:42:48 GMT
I won't hold my breath though as the evacuation had to be abandoned on Saturday as Russia continued with their firing. It's been halted again Doesn't come as any surprise. He doesn't care one bit - he's deranged and so are his generals or whoever is in charge of the military!
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Post by mollycoddle on Mar 6, 2022 14:55:15 GMT
Meanwhile, these people are showing everyone exactly who they are. 😡😡😡
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Post by pinklady on Mar 6, 2022 15:24:26 GMT
It’s a good fucking thing Biden is in office. For all the conservative peas who are lurking in this thread, if you vote for this man in 2024 you are responsible for the decimation of the globe! WAKE THE FUCK UP!
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