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Post by revirdsuba99 on Mar 7, 2022 18:22:01 GMT
@zima said: He sure is doing a great job of protecting 'his' citizens, shooting and bombing them in their homes, hospitals and on the streets
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Post by Gem Girl on Mar 7, 2022 18:28:45 GMT
Yeah, he's like a demented father who keeps his daughter "safe" by shackling her to a wall in the basement.
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Post by lizacreates on Mar 7, 2022 18:47:16 GMT
It's no secret I’m a Pelosi admirer, but this is a godawful idea. I can’t even believe my senator is supporting this. The US is not dependent on Russian crude oil but we still import anywhere from 3%-5% to meet our needs. We don’t have any other source at the moment to offset this loss if an embargo is implemented now. Working people and the poor in the US are already being squeezed tight with the double whammy of inflation and high gas prices. This will exacerbate the situation. We can use our reserves but our own gov’t reports our reserves have decreased. Where can we source? One of Canada’s ministers said their country is maxed out; they cannot export any more than what they’re already doing. OPEC (i.e., Saudi Arabia) is refusing to up production. The US is now talking to Maduro to determine if we can get it from Venezuela. What would be the motivation of Maduro who is an ally of Putin, and whom we sanctioned, to fulfill this? (Not to mention it’s virtually impossible for Europe to do same as they are heavily dependent on Russian gas and oil and they have more or less only a 3-month reserve.) And is this really going to hurt Putin when he can easily sell to China if the West institutes embargoes? Who’s really likely to suffer from this—Putin or the West? At least wait until we can reliably source from somewhere else before doing this.
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Post by tenacious on Mar 7, 2022 18:51:08 GMT
Cancelling Russia while China observes. The power of the "superpowers" and the "superempowered" (big banks, rich people, big tech, etc.) "We have already seen three “weapons” deployed in ways we’ve never seen before or not seen in a long time, and China would be wise to study them all. Because if China doesn’t help stop Russia now, these weapons will either ultimately hammer Putin into submission — which means they might be used against China one day, should it seize Taiwan — or damage Russia so badly that the economic effects will radiate everywhere. These weapons might even prompt Putin to do the unthinkable with his nuclear arms, which could destabilize and even destroy the global foundations on which China’s future rests. The most important innovation in this war is the use of the economic equivalent of a nuclear bomb, simultaneously deployed by a superpower and by superempowered people. The United States, along with the European Union and Britain, has imposed sanctions on Russia that are crippling its economy, critically threatening companies and shattering the savings of millions of Russians at an unprecedented speed and scope that bring to mind a nuclear blast. Putin has now figured that out — and said so explicitly on Saturday: The U.S.- and E.U.-led sanctions are “akin to a declaration of war.” (Vladimir, you haven’t felt the half of it yet.) Second, because the world is now so wired, superempowered individuals, companies and social activist groups can pile on their own sanctions and boycotts, without any government orders, amplifying the isolation and economic strangulation of Russia beyond what nation-states are likely to do. These new actors — a kind of global ad hoc pro-Ukraine-resistance-solidarity-movement — are collectively canceling Putin and Russia. Rarely, if ever, has a country this big and powerful been politically canceled and economically crippled so fast. The third weapon is both new and old, and it’s a spiritual and emotional one: The West has rediscovered its voice. Faced with the raw, primitive onslaught by Russia against a flawed but aspiring democracy like Ukraine, the free world has been aroused. America and liberal societies in general can often look and act dumb and divided — until they aren’t. Ask Adolf Hitler. These three weapons should be enough to get China’s attention. So let’s look closer at how they work in practice." www.nytimes.com/2022/03/06/opinion/putin-ukraine-china.htmlThis is very interesting. Taiwan/China is of particular interest to me having lived in both Taiwan/China for a combined 7+ years (now stateside). The thought that has been going through my mind is that China may be horrified at how weak Russia and its military are looking and I am wondering if they are not rethinking an alliance with them. China does not like weakness, and they are playing to win, and win only. Russia may be looking like a partner that can’t pull its weight, and China will not think twice about turning its back on Russia in its moment of weakness as China is only concerned about themselves and playing the long game of world domination. Or, at least I hope they see it that way.
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Post by sassyangel on Mar 7, 2022 19:00:32 GMT
Cancelling Russia while China observes. The power of the "superpowers" and the "superempowered" (big banks, rich people, big tech, etc.) "We have already seen three “weapons” deployed in ways we’ve never seen before or not seen in a long time, and China would be wise to study them all. Because if China doesn’t help stop Russia now, these weapons will either ultimately hammer Putin into submission — which means they might be used against China one day, should it seize Taiwan — or damage Russia so badly that the economic effects will radiate everywhere. These weapons might even prompt Putin to do the unthinkable with his nuclear arms, which could destabilize and even destroy the global foundations on which China’s future rests. The most important innovation in this war is the use of the economic equivalent of a nuclear bomb, simultaneously deployed by a superpower and by superempowered people. The United States, along with the European Union and Britain, has imposed sanctions on Russia that are crippling its economy, critically threatening companies and shattering the savings of millions of Russians at an unprecedented speed and scope that bring to mind a nuclear blast. Putin has now figured that out — and said so explicitly on Saturday: The U.S.- and E.U.-led sanctions are “akin to a declaration of war.” (Vladimir, you haven’t felt the half of it yet.) Second, because the world is now so wired, superempowered individuals, companies and social activist groups can pile on their own sanctions and boycotts, without any government orders, amplifying the isolation and economic strangulation of Russia beyond what nation-states are likely to do. These new actors — a kind of global ad hoc pro-Ukraine-resistance-solidarity-movement — are collectively canceling Putin and Russia. Rarely, if ever, has a country this big and powerful been politically canceled and economically crippled so fast. The third weapon is both new and old, and it’s a spiritual and emotional one: The West has rediscovered its voice. Faced with the raw, primitive onslaught by Russia against a flawed but aspiring democracy like Ukraine, the free world has been aroused. America and liberal societies in general can often look and act dumb and divided — until they aren’t. Ask Adolf Hitler. These three weapons should be enough to get China’s attention. So let’s look closer at how they work in practice." www.nytimes.com/2022/03/06/opinion/putin-ukraine-china.htmlThis is very interesting. Taiwan/China is of particular interest to me having lived in both Taiwan/China for a combined 7+ years (now stateside). The thought that has been going through my mind is that China may be horrified at how weak Russia and its military are looking and I am wondering if they are not rethinking an alliance with them. China does not like weakness, and they are playing to win, and win only. Russia may be looking like a partner that can’t pull its weight, and China will not think twice about turning its back on Russia in its moment of weakness as China is only concerned about themselves and playing the long game of world domination. Or, at least I hope they see it that way. In that super interesting WSB panel video that mollycoddle posted they actually touch on that a bit at the very end of it. They thought that outside of the Russian military problems, the economic sanctions they’re seeing directed at Russia alone would give them more pause, if they were directed at China (if they decided move forward on Taiwan) who is much more globally aligned economy wise than Russia is. I thought that was interesting.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Mar 7, 2022 19:07:18 GMT
Kevin McCarthy .. House minority leader Kevin McCarthy (R-CA) drew heaps of scorn by criticizing the United States for not doing more to arm Ukrainian forces prior to Russia's invasion. The California Republican complained that the U.S. was too slow to send arms to Ukraine to fight back against Russian aggression and called on the United States to help arm Taiwan against threats from China. www.rawstory.com/kevin-mccarthy-impeachment-2656861658/#cxrecs_s
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Post by tenacious on Mar 7, 2022 19:11:27 GMT
“ In that super interesting WSB panel video that mollycoddle posted they actually touch on that a bit at the very end of it. They thought that outside of the Russian military problems, the economic sanctions they’re seeing directed at Russia alone would give them more pause, if they were directed at China (if they decided move forward on Taiwan) who is much more globally aligned economy wise than Russia is. I thought that was interesting.”
I will take a listen. Thank you.
I am sick over what is happening in Ukraine. And, I am also horrified at what could happen with Taiwan. People don’t know much about Taiwan and what we would be losing if China decided to take it over. It is an amazing country full of exceptional people, not to mention the fact that they are HUGE producers of critical products and components, and are a happy, freedom loving people who have thrived as a culture/society under their democracy. It would be a tragedy of epic proportions.
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Post by sassyangel on Mar 7, 2022 19:15:58 GMT
It's no secret I’m a Pelosi admirer, but this is a godawful idea. I can’t even believe my senator is supporting this. The US is not dependent on Russian crude oil but we still import anywhere from 3%-5% to meet our needs. We don’t have any other source at the moment to offset this loss if an embargo is implemented now. Working people and the poor in the US are already being squeezed tight with the double whammy of inflation and high gas prices. This will exacerbate the situation. We can use our reserves but our own gov’t reports our reserves have decreased. Where can we source? One of Canada’s ministers said their country is maxed out; they cannot export any more than what they’re already doing. OPEC (i.e., Saudi Arabia) is refusing to up production. The US is now talking to Maduro to determine if we can get it from Venezuela. What would be the motivation of Maduro who is an ally of Putin, and whom we sanctioned, to fulfill this? (Not to mention it’s virtually impossible for Europe to do same as they are heavily dependent on Russian gas and oil and they have more or less only a 3-month reserve.) And is this really going to hurt Putin when he can easily sell to China if the West institutes embargoes? Who’s really likely to suffer from this—Putin or the West? At least wait until we can reliably source from somewhere else before doing this. Yes. It’s really complex (although there are a lot of oil leases dormant here currently, so ramping up is an option). But you’re absolutely right, that will take time. Gas here has risen $0.60 a gallon in the last three days, I’m sure it’s the same countrywide. The lines at Costco yesterday to get gas were like nothing I’ve seen before (granted it was a Sunday and people were filling for the week) but still, I had an audible reaction when I saw them. Grocery stores are still noticeably empty in parts, and cost increases of regularly purchased items, people *do* notice. No matter how many times you tell people the president doesn’t directly control gas prices and these prices are global, the high gas/grocery prices are what sticks with people. So they need to be really careful, more mindful of average American thinking, than that shows.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2022 21:03:48 GMT
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Post by Merge on Mar 7, 2022 21:07:40 GMT
Can we increase production of US oil, or decrease what we export? I read that we're now a net exporter of crude oil. Can't some of that stay right here?
And yeah, some of the price increase can be attributed to the gas companies setting prices that net them record profits. Let's lay that blame where it belongs.
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Mar 7, 2022 21:31:37 GMT
Interesting... Fox evolves from siding with Russia and Putin to calling for World War III against themSarah K. Burris March 06, 2022 Former Rep. Trey Gowdy (R-SC) has turned full war-hawk on his Fox network show after many of their hosts were standing with Russia and Vladimir Putin just a week ago. *** It's an ironic question because Fox hosts like Tucker Carlson, Laura Ingraham and Sean Hannity spent last week raging about the contributions that the U.S. was sending and the work President Joe Biden was doing behind the scenes. youtu.be/Z0kzoTsmBkMwww.rawstory.com/fox-network-trey-gowdy-russia/ETA: I forgot the flip flop crew!! There’s a shock. I understand (depending on what happens), the response might need to be reevaluated in future, but FOX going full 180 war-hawk (historically) convinces me further they need to be really careful and considered in their decisions on this. 😐 Not so shocking… Biden’s approval rating went up after his speech, republicans are not doing anything to help the American people, they are just literally not showing up, so they figured they better get on board—to which they’ll then say Biden isn’t doing enough or giving enough.
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Post by sassyangel on Mar 7, 2022 21:35:44 GMT
Of course they’re partly to blame. I actually thought that went without saying, lol.
The average American doesn’t nuance that and blame them, though.
No one thanked them for the low gas prices when OPEC and and Russia were having their over-production spat just before Covid. Same with high prices, seems to follow. It’s quite interesting. It’s always the government, never OPEC, the oil companies or oil futures speculation that also drives it.
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Post by Scrapper100 on Mar 7, 2022 22:40:12 GMT
Wasn’t there some mention of sacrifices when this first started? We only get 3% of our oil from Russia so while important luckily it’s not a huge portion. Many countries rely much more heavily on them and can’t just shut it off. No idea the percent of gas used by everyday commuters vs trucks and such but maybe encouraging those companies where people could work from home to encourage them to allow a few days a week could help? No idea but at this point it’s something.
I also think we need to reevaluate now things that we buy from China. Overall we buy and rely on them a lot if there was a war with them we would be beyond screwed. Medicines and such as well as electronics that go in everything including things that our military uses.
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Post by hopemax on Mar 7, 2022 22:59:49 GMT
Can we increase production of US oil, or decrease what we export? I read that we're now a net exporter of crude oil. Can't some of that stay right here? And yeah, some of the price increase can be attributed to the gas companies setting prices that net them record profits. Let's lay that blame where it belongs. US decreasing exports won't solve the global situation. Less oil from Russia and the US means higher prices for everyone else. Which is why the US is suddenly talking with Venezuela about sanctions. Part of the recent increase in Russian oil came as a result of the Trump administration sanctions put on Venezuela. Increasing domestic production can help, but businesses do what businesses do for their own reasons. As mentioned, oil was at a low not that long ago, good for US prices, but oil companies were not happy. They don't really want increased production. They could find themselves in another situation where OPEC floods the market, and they know that long term, investment in fossil fuels is not good use of money. That's why they have so many unused leases. Also, there are cost reasons why the US was importing Russian oil in the first place. Hawaii imports it because the Jones Act (which normally comes up because of the cruise industry) means it's more expensive to transport oil from the mainland US, as the ships have to be US flagged, operated, staffed. This is also why the West Coast imports Russian oil instead of transporting it from US ports in the Gulf of Mexico. Also, apparently, crude oil is not all the same, in terms of chemical composition. Older refineries, from when we were more dependent on foreign oil, are tooled to refine crude with a higher sulfur content than what we extract domestically. They can't just switch to refining domestic crude. So as with everything, it's complicated.
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Post by mollycoddle on Mar 7, 2022 23:27:17 GMT
This guy is the director of Bellingcat, so I tend to believe him.
ETA: It has not yet been confirmed though.
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Post by hopemax on Mar 7, 2022 23:43:53 GMT
Did you see how they know he was killed?
The Russians lost secure communications, so the on-site FSB officer had to call Moscow on a Ukrainian SIM card. So of course the communication was intercepted. Hollywood would dismiss these happenings as unrealistic.
Also of note, this general is the nephew of General Valery Gerasimov, who is one of the two guys and the end of that very long table with Putin.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Mar 7, 2022 23:49:18 GMT
It is being covered.. On Monday, intelligence officials in Ukraine claimed that Russian General-major Vitaly Gerasimov, the deputy commander of Russia's 41st Army ground forces, has been taken out near the city of Kharkiv. This comes just days after previous reports that Maj. Gen. Andrei Sukhovetsky, also a deputy commander of the 41st Army, was killed by a Ukrainian sniper. www.rawstory.com/russian-general-killed/
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Post by mollycoddle on Mar 8, 2022 0:32:55 GMT
Did you see how they know he was killed? The Russians lost secure communications, so the on-site FSB officer had to call Moscow on a Ukrainian SIM card. So of course the communication was intercepted. Hollywood would dismiss these happenings as unrealistic. Also of note, this general is the nephew of General Valery Gerasimov, who is one of the two guys and the end of that very long table with Putin. Yes, and I think that it is true, but I have not seen confirmation yet.
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Post by hop2 on Mar 8, 2022 1:47:50 GMT
Yeah, he's like a demented father who keeps his daughter "safe" by shackling her to a wall in the basement. No, more like the demented father that keeps his daughter safe by forcing her to marry ( basically selling her ) to some ancient rich dude.
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Post by onelasttime on Mar 8, 2022 1:55:16 GMT
So because Putin didn’t want Ukraine to join NATO that was enough of an excuse to invade the country and kill people ? Seriously? But you know I think there is some truth in this belief.
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Post by hop2 on Mar 8, 2022 1:56:40 GMT
Finland (directly bordering Russia - a long border) is not a NATO country, as is Sweden, and he’s already made comments about them even thinking about joining, just before this. I’m not sure about Finland (from military readiness perspective), but I very much suspect challenging Sweden (and Finland) would be biting off more than he could chew. But I firmly believe he will not stop with Ukraine, if he’s successful. Wow, I had no idea Finland or Sweden weren't part of NATO. So in theory he could invade those countries, like Ukraine, and we would have to stand by and watch? Sweden is part of the EU so wouldn’t there be grounds for active help?
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Mar 8, 2022 4:28:58 GMT
So sad!
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Mar 8, 2022 4:45:53 GMT
Ukraine places 1, 2 and 3 in women's Biathalon Para Olympics
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Mar 8, 2022 5:08:14 GMT
hopemax mollycoddleThey didn't just lose communications..... I can't separate the tweets so here is a copy and paste of the one. Christo Grozev @christogrozev The idiots tried to use the Era cryptophones in Kharkiv, after destroying many 3g cell towers and also replacing others with stingrays. Era needs 3g/4g to communicate. The Russian army is equipped with secure phones that can't work in areas where the Russian army operates. 6:36 PM · Mar 7, 2022
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Post by onelasttime on Mar 8, 2022 5:09:55 GMT
Good!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 8, 2022 12:27:22 GMT
Wow, I had no idea Finland or Sweden weren't part of NATO. So in theory he could invade those countries, like Ukraine, and we would have to stand by and watch? Sweden is part of the EU so wouldn’t there be grounds for active help?Not with troops on the ground there wouldn't be . The EU doesn't work that way. Every member country is autonomous as far as their country's military and their country's defence is concerned. It's only as members of NATO they could come to the defence of each other. Sweden in a neutral country.
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Mar 8, 2022 12:30:39 GMT
I saw this video several times over the weekend and this little boy has really stuck with me. There were other families walking somewhat close to him, but nobody seems to have taken him in with them. He is so sad and to have to go through that alone is horrible. I’m glad to hear CNN is following up on it and hope he is doing better. ETA that nbc just showed the boy and said he was following his mother. Hopefully that is the case.
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Post by Darcy Collins on Mar 8, 2022 13:40:32 GMT
It's no secret I’m a Pelosi admirer, but this is a godawful idea. I can’t even believe my senator is supporting this. The US is not dependent on Russian crude oil but we still import anywhere from 3%-5% to meet our needs. We don’t have any other source at the moment to offset this loss if an embargo is implemented now. Working people and the poor in the US are already being squeezed tight with the double whammy of inflation and high gas prices. This will exacerbate the situation. We can use our reserves but our own gov’t reports our reserves have decreased. Where can we source? One of Canada’s ministers said their country is maxed out; they cannot export any more than what they’re already doing. OPEC (i.e., Saudi Arabia) is refusing to up production. The US is now talking to Maduro to determine if we can get it from Venezuela. What would be the motivation of Maduro who is an ally of Putin, and whom we sanctioned, to fulfill this? (Not to mention it’s virtually impossible for Europe to do same as they are heavily dependent on Russian gas and oil and they have more or less only a 3-month reserve.) And is this really going to hurt Putin when he can easily sell to China if the West institutes embargoes? Who’s really likely to suffer from this—Putin or the West? At least wait until we can reliably source from somewhere else before doing this. I'm surprised there hasn't been more pressure on Saudi Arabia quite frankly. They're essentially supporting Russia and there's been barely a peep in the media about it.
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Post by sleepingbooty on Mar 8, 2022 14:27:44 GMT
Sweden is part of the EU so wouldn’t there be grounds for active help?Not with troops on the ground there wouldn't be . The EU doesn't work that way. Every member country is autonomous as far as their country's military and their country's defence is concerned. It's only as members of NATO they could come to the defence of each other. Sweden in a neutral country. There are absolutely grounds for active help and such help would be mandatory. It's called the mutual defense clause and dates back to the Treaty of Lisbon. ( x) If Putin invades an EU country, all other EU countries are obligated to come to its assistance immediately, period. That would mean moving troops from France, Spain, Germany and elsewhere to wherever it's needed.
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Post by aj2hall on Mar 8, 2022 15:05:45 GMT
It's no secret I’m a Pelosi admirer, but this is a godawful idea. I can’t even believe my senator is supporting this. The US is not dependent on Russian crude oil but we still import anywhere from 3%-5% to meet our needs. We don’t have any other source at the moment to offset this loss if an embargo is implemented now. Working people and the poor in the US are already being squeezed tight with the double whammy of inflation and high gas prices. This will exacerbate the situation. We can use our reserves but our own gov’t reports our reserves have decreased. Where can we source? One of Canada’s ministers said their country is maxed out; they cannot export any more than what they’re already doing. OPEC (i.e., Saudi Arabia) is refusing to up production. The US is now talking to Maduro to determine if we can get it from Venezuela. What would be the motivation of Maduro who is an ally of Putin, and whom we sanctioned, to fulfill this? (Not to mention it’s virtually impossible for Europe to do same as they are heavily dependent on Russian gas and oil and they have more or less only a 3-month reserve.) And is this really going to hurt Putin when he can easily sell to China if the West institutes embargoes? Who’s really likely to suffer from this—Putin or the West? At least wait until we can reliably source from somewhere else before doing this. Yes. It’s really complex (although there are a lot of oil leases dormant here currently, so ramping up is an option). But you’re absolutely right, that will take time. Gas here has risen $0.60 a gallon in the last three days, I’m sure it’s the same countrywide. The lines at Costco yesterday to get gas were like nothing I’ve seen before (granted it was a Sunday and people were filling for the week) but still, I had an audible reaction when I saw them. Grocery stores are still noticeably empty in parts, and cost increases of regularly purchased items, people *do* notice. No matter how many times you tell people the president doesn’t directly control gas prices and these prices are global, the high gas/grocery prices are what sticks with people. So they need to be really careful, more mindful of average American thinking, than that shows. Yes to all of this. Russia only exports less than 5% of their oil to us. Stopping imports will only put a dent in what they sell and Russia can easily sell it to China instead. I hope that Biden is on board with this idea, I know he was resistant at first. If the Democrats pass the bill and Biden vetoes it, everyone looks bad. www.statista.com/chart/26999/russia-biggest-oil-export-partners/
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