Vladimir Putin has officially declared war on Ukraine

The thing is what can he possibly get from coming to the table? I don’t see anything that will be a win for him at this point. His country is in shambles not as much as Ukraine but it’s economy is a mess and that isn’t going away any time soon. His oligarchs are hurting and have lost so much so I assume they aren’t happy with him either. The world isn’t going to forget this snd no one thinks favorably towards him. Ukraine feeds a lot of people and with the destruction I don’t see that happening for a while. I don’t see any way this can ever be considered a win for him unless he gets control of the country but there won’t be much left if it. Russians believe what they hear since they are only hearing what he wants them To hear but many have to have heard what’s really going on and that he isn’t saving them from nazis or that he is stopping biological weapons.

I think everyone is well aware that Ukraine did nothing to deserve this.

Unless you want world war 3 then sadly there is no other way except to negotiate - will that work - who knows but the consequences of what he would do the minute a NATO plane/ground troops intervenes in this doesn't bear thinking of. Not only has he nuclear weapons but he also has a pretty good stash of chemical weapons that he would have no hesitation in using. We know full well the consequences of him having  already used chemical weapons on the streets of the UK.

There is, already, intelligence talk that using chemical weapons could be his next move.

Don't forget the millions ^^^^that will vote for them too!

When the voters are largely old, white, superstitious, uninformed people, the representatives look like old, white, superstitious, uninformed people.

If the US can't make it easier for more people to vote, people who HOLD PROGRESSIVE VALUES, reason, logic, facts, etc. - but can't take off on a Tuesday from 8 a.m to 8 p.m. to travel who knows how far after working all day, picking up kids, finding time to make dinner, help w/homework or other school issues, etc.

Why do you think the old, white, religious majority in the GOP is trying to hard to disenfranchise others from voting?

And it impacts EVERYTHING from local laws, school boards, to state-wide, national and even INTERNATIONAL disputes like the war in Ukraine.

Not only Zelenskyy. But it would be a very very bitter pill for the Ukrainian people to swallow. They don’t want ties to Russia.

I watched this last night on Netflix.
www.netflix.com/title/80031666
It’s from 2015, during and just after Euromaidan in 2014 when they demanded (and got) the resignation of Yanukovych. They protested for 93 days over winter.

I’m not sure if he just has horrible intel, isn’t being told the truth, or he just hates the existence of Ukraine and Ukrainians that much (or all three), but I was even more shocked after watching this he thought he could successfully invade and subjugate the people as Russians, like he seems to have thought he could. They’re not Russian, and they don’t want to be.

From my original post.. “I understand why NATO/United States doesn’t want to escalate the conflict by using weapons. But at some point they can’t keep ignoring what is happening. Plus if Putin gets away with this he won’t stop at Ukraine. Then what?”


Now for some American arrogance.  As someone who lives in a country that is considered one of the three super powers of the world I’m well aware of the weapons and potential weapons in the US, Russia & China.   Each of these countries has the ability to wipe out a large chunk of the world.

But back to my original post above and the bolded part.  Got an answer for “then what”?

And yes IMO as long as NATO allows women and children to be killed they are ignoring it.  

And more importantly, what does that say about us as human beings?

Right? 🤦🏼‍♀️

Jingoism is most pronounced in times of war. Americans should temper this attitude that we’re Wyatt Earp who should shoot down the villains in the OK Corral.

I hope he succeeds….

I don't see it that way at all.  We are watching people die and a country destroyed because of a senseless decision by an unstable leader.  It is hard to watch when it is clear that the US and other countries have the ability to stop it.  If someone was being attacked on the street and people stood by and watched because they didn't want to risk themselves, we would all be outraged and say, "Those heartless people.  How could they not help?" I am not fully in the camp of getting involved, but there is part of me that believes that we shouldn't just stand by and watch this happen.  I also wonder if Ukraine was already in NATO if that would have deterred Putin.  I also don't think it is ok that the US and UK (and Russia) have not adhered to the agreement that they made with Ukraine when they gave up their nuclear weapons.

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That is what I wonder too. If Ukraine were part of Nato would Putin have even invaded Ukraine knowing that the ramifications would have been the NATO countries coming in swift and strong?

Jingoism interesting word but it doesn’t apply to the comment below which seems to have folks muttering about it.

It was simply a response to @dottyscrapper and her “schooling” me on the weapons Russia has.  This came after I had already said I understood why NATO/United States didn’t want to use weapons in the conflict.  Maybe a better response should have been “well duh”

Having said that the statement below is fact.  It’s something the world has to live with and be mindful of.  But the world cannot allow any one of those three countries to go rogue.  And that is exactly what Putin has done.  His reasons for invading Ukraine sound like something that would come from trump.  

I invite you to read the list of demands Putin sent NATO in December.  When I read them my first though “ man is he paranoid “ and the second one was “what is he planning”.

There is no question that Putin wants to rebuild the USSR, in fact one of his demands was that no former USSR country can join NATO.  Why?  Well maybe because it will be easier to invade those countries if they aren’t part of NATO.

So say for giggles sake the world stands by and watches him invade former USSR country after country.  And rebuilds the USSR.  What makes you think he would stop there?  I hear he thinks Finland should be part of the USSR.  Must be some truth in that because I read Finland is seriously thinking about joining NATO or the EU can’t remember which.  So if he takes Finland, will he stop there or go after Sweden and Denmark?    

And then there is China.  You can bet your bottom dollar they are watching closely at what the world will let Putin get away with.  Because you known China wants Taiwan back.  But I did read the great bromance between Putin and Xi may be over because of his actions in Ukraine and the worldwide condemnation it’s received.  I mean China is sending humanitarian aid to Ukraine. A paltry amount considering the economic size of China but they are sending something.

Wild musings?  Maybe, but what if they aren’t. The question then becomes if Putin gets away with this he won’t stop at Ukraine, then what?  How many more countries have to be trashed before the world stops him.  Or is the world just going to let the super powers get away with stuff like this?

“Now for some American arrogance. As someone who lives in a country that is considered one of the three super powers of the world I’m well aware of the weapons and potential weapons in the US, Russia & China. Each of these countries has the ability to wipe out a large chunk of the world.”

And yes, the West is doing something with sanctions and they are affecting Russia’s economy in a big way but Putin doesn’t care.

And that is why I get frustrated when I see what’s happening in Ukraine because the response by the West is not enough to force Putin out of Ukraine.

Ok…. But I wonder what it called when one country bombs another and sends in troops into that country?


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