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Post by gar on Feb 27, 2022 23:49:10 GMT
@ktc, what you’re accusing sassyangel of is not what she said. I know this is a very personal and sensitive subject for you but she did not say what you’re accusing her of. She just didn’t.
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Post by mollycoddle on Feb 27, 2022 23:56:37 GMT
I would like to know if we can just start today all over again.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 27, 2022 23:57:25 GMT
“You've seen it for yourself on this thread - they have been crystal clear and totally unapologetic about it. Most of these people against them too, could not care less if you and your clinically vulnerable family live or die. You mean less than zero to them”
“I'll say this again. Not only are they not taking precautions to reduce the spread because they're done with masks and being told what to do by anybody, but they actively don't care if you live or die as a result”
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Post by AmeliaBloomer on Feb 27, 2022 23:58:33 GMT
This is the post. I have posted in it’s entirety because it is open to interpretation. Twice she made comments regarding nobody caring whether my family lives or dies, with added emphasis that our lives mean’t zero. She presented the comments as if they were not a reflection of her individual point of view but of unnamed others on the board contributing to that thread instead. I do not recall anybody else on that thread saying those things . Her condemnation of the comments was ironic because no one else had uttered them but her. I read what you posted. This is what I read: -She described what SHE believes is the level of concern for others’ lives that “most” anti-mandaters have. -It was an opinion she extrapolated about others on her own. She never said it was explicitly said in the thread, but I inferred that she used the tone of what some of them had posted in her calculus. -She described the thinking she ascribed to them as “repulsive.” ETA: I spent time re-reading your evidence while I was posting so didn’t realize how many people had replied. Please don’t view this as a pile on but just people trying to use your evidence to present a different interpretation. The fact that so many have reached the same interpretation might help you reevaluate.
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Post by pinklady on Feb 28, 2022 0:00:09 GMT
“You've seen it for yourself on this thread - they have been crystal clear and totally unapologetic about it. Most of these people against them too, could not care less if you and your clinically vulnerable family live or die. You mean less than zero to them”
“I'll say this again. Not only are they not taking precautions to reduce the spread because they're done with masks and being told what to do by anybody, but they actively don't care if you live or die as a result”
JUST STOP IT! You are doubling down on something that just is not true.
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Post by gar on Feb 28, 2022 0:02:55 GMT
“You've seen it for yourself on this thread - they have been crystal clear and totally unapologetic about it. Most of these people against them too, could not care less if you and your clinically vulnerable family live or die. You mean less than zero to them”
“I'll say this again. Not only are they not taking precautions to reduce the spread because they're done with masks and being told what to do by anybody, but they actively don't care if you live or die as a result”
Those still are not her personal thoughts.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 28, 2022 0:04:18 GMT
Yes, however can you point the people who said this enabling her to comment on their remarks ?
I can’t.
I feel this this is something she wanted to say herself but veiled it behind other unnamed peas to put the blame on them rather than being straightforward.
It leaves an abusive comment whilst not taking responsibility for it.
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Post by elaine on Feb 28, 2022 0:04:31 GMT
“You've seen it for yourself on this thread - they have been crystal clear and totally unapologetic about it. Most of these people against them too, could not care less if you and your clinically vulnerable family live or die. You mean less than zero to them”
“I'll say this again. Not only are they not taking precautions to reduce the spread because they're done with masks and being told what to do by anybody, but they actively don't care if you live or die as a result”
Nowhere does Sassyangel say that she doesn't care, she says that anti-vaxxers/anti-maskers don't care. I am saying this kindly, but you aren't reading this how it is intended. You really need to take a deep breath and step back. When everyone is telling you the same thing, you may need to reconsider. I am high-risk and know that there are anti-vaxxers/anti-maskers across the country and here on the board that don't give a damn if their refusal to take safety precautions would result in me or someone like me in their communities to die. Because I have co-morbidities and all. Sassyangel’s comments just reflect that, just like mine above does. It doesn't mean that Sassy or I want anyone to die due to others’ selfishness.
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Post by sassyangel on Feb 28, 2022 0:04:44 GMT
This is going to be a pile on and I don't want to pile on, but cannot not say something. @ktc - that was not at all what she meant! She wasn't even talking about people on the board. She was commenting on the public at large that are against mandates and vaccines are not doing their part to protect the vulnerable. I hope you can step back and reread and realize that she was trying to get you to realize that those people do not care about your family and I'm sorry that you read it as an attack on them as I think sometimes we see red when we think people are attacking our vulnerable family members. I’m calm, and not so shocked now. Thank you everyone who spoke for me. Yes, this is what I was saying. I have *many* vulnerable people in my life - including my mother, and would never devalue or dismiss the life or health any vulnerable person this way, certainly not deliberately like that. My empathy and compassion has always been with what this pandemic has meant for them. One of the things that has been especially hard for me to comprehend during this pandemic, is how little her (and vulnerable people in general) lives have meant to some other people.
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Post by elaine on Feb 28, 2022 0:06:49 GMT
Yes, however can you point the people who said this enabling her to comment on their remarks ? I can’t. I feel this this is something she wanted to say herself but veiled it behind other unnamed peas to put the blame on them rather than being straightforward. It leaves an abusive comment whilst not taking responsibility for it. That is SO NOT TRUE. Just stop. If you took the time to interact with and read Sassyangel’s posts about this topic over the past two years, you would KNOW this is not the case. YOU are the one pushing your own false agenda. I am getting angry now. Eta: you haven’t participated in the COVID threads regularly over the past two years. If you had, you would know in an instant a number of the people she referred to and also that Sassyangel is a firm believer of masks and mandates and that every life matters. Since you haven’t been here, and people in threads like that one frequently refer to board history, you may want to trust in it when numerous people tell you your read is incorrect.
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Post by gar on Feb 28, 2022 0:10:29 GMT
Yes, however can you point the people who said this enabling her to comment on their remarks ? I can’t. I feel this this is something she wanted to say herself but veiled it behind other unnamed peas to put the blame on them rather than being straightforward. It leaves an abusive comment whilst not taking responsibility for it. You ‘feel’ this is something she wanted to say, but you’re admitting she didn’t actually say it??
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Post by purplebee on Feb 28, 2022 0:11:06 GMT
Yes, however can you point the people who said this enabling her to comment on their remarks ? I can’t. I feel this this is something she wanted to say herself but veiled it behind other unnamed peas to put the blame on them rather than being straightforward. It leaves an abusive comment whilst not taking responsibility for it. Just want to add my thoughts to this. Please stop and take a deep breath. Sassy was aligning herself with your family’s plight and in no way was she wishing harm upon them. You have totally misinterpreted a kind pea’s intentions and words of support for you and your family. She and many others are in your corner!
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Feb 28, 2022 0:11:54 GMT
This is the post. I have posted in it’s entirety because it is open to interpretation. Twice she made comments regarding nobody caring whether my family lives or dies, with added emphasis that our lives mean’t zero. She presented the comments as if they were not a reflection of her individual point of view but of unnamed others on the board contributing to that thread instead. I do not recall anybody else on that thread saying those things . Her condemnation of the comments was ironic because no one else had uttered them but her. Oh no—I don’t think she said she didn’t care… What I’m reading is that she was referring to a few peas on this board who have been verbal about “not wearing masks, they don’t work, prove it people” (2 specific peas come to mind who had been posting) who have shown that they could care less of others, that they are all about themselves and how they’ve been inconvenienced by masks, and their opposition to the mask mandates and vaccination mandates has been fueled by ignorance and misinformation. I truly do not think sassy said what you’re saying.
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Feb 28, 2022 0:15:42 GMT
But here's the thing - I AM a family that has an LGBTQ+ member in it. My oldest DD. And we would go to Disney in a heartbeat - I don't care if it is in Florida. Disney is actually a very pro LGBTQ+ space, even if it is in a state that is introducing crappy laws. She didn't come on asking for places to go that were LGBTQ+ friendly, she specifically said a location due to a tournament they were participating in. Totally different question. I agree with you on this. We all have issues that are personal to us, but it doesn't give us the right to derail a thread to question someone's choice based on our issue, and that's what happened. For the eleventy-billionth time…That’s not what I was trying to do. I never thought my personal opinion would cause others to lose their minds and get ugly. And no one has answered this one—so I’ll ask again—so are we all now supposed to get permission as to what we are permitted post on a thread started by someone else?
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Post by Laurie on Feb 28, 2022 0:16:25 GMT
Lettuce, I sincerely believe that sassy was not talking about your family specifically or anyone else for that matter. She was saying that there are people in this world that don’t care about your life or anyone else’s but only care about themselves.
One thing I know about this board is it is very rare for all the peas to be in agreement. So if everyone here is interpreting it the same way then I truly hope you can step away, re-read it and see that she was not wishing harm on you or your family.
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Post by sabrinae on Feb 28, 2022 0:16:50 GMT
Yes, however can you point the people who said this enabling her to comment on their remarks ? I can’t. I feel this this is something she wanted to say herself but veiled it behind other unnamed peas to put the blame on them rather than being straightforward. It leaves an abusive comment whilst not taking responsibility for it. Everyone else has been pretty gently, but now your just doubling down. No where did she say what your claiming. Those remarks are to the anti-vaxxers and their stances — some on this very board have taken that position. You don’t get to make up your own fantasy about what she said. She was very straight forward in what she said.
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Post by sassyangel on Feb 28, 2022 0:17:39 GMT
Yes, however can you point the people who said this enabling her to comment on their remarks ? I can’t. I feel this this is something she wanted to say herself but veiled it behind other unnamed peas to put the blame on them rather than being straightforward. It leaves an abusive comment whilst not taking responsibility for it. 😞 I don’t understand this. You believe I hurt you, so now you’re going to hurt me back equally? If this is what you really think of me, please just block me. I would not want to upset you like this again, however unintentionally.
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Feb 28, 2022 0:17:55 GMT
“You've seen it for yourself on this thread - they have been crystal clear and totally unapologetic about it. Most of these people against them too, could not care less if you and your clinically vulnerable family live or die. You mean less than zero to them”
“I'll say this again. Not only are they not taking precautions to reduce the spread because they're done with masks and being told what to do by anybody, but they actively don't care if you live or die as a result”
Read my post above^^^ I think she was speaking of 2 specific peas, not that she, sassy thought this at all.
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Post by mollycoddle on Feb 28, 2022 0:19:11 GMT
Yes, however can you point the people who said this enabling her to comment on their remarks ? I can’t. I feel this this is something she wanted to say herself but veiled it behind other unnamed peas to put the blame on them rather than being straightforward. It leaves an abusive comment whilst not taking responsibility for it. Sigh. She is taking it from the behavior that anti-vaxers displayed throughout the pandemic. You have misinterpreted what she said. Note that she used the pronoun “they.” She is clearly not referring to herself. You might *feel* that is what she meant, but that is definitely not what she said.
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Post by AmeliaBloomer on Feb 28, 2022 0:27:11 GMT
Yes, however can you point the people who said this enabling her to comment on their remarks ? I’ll bite. -I distinctly remember somebody posting “We all have to die sometime” with the oh-well-shrugging emoji on a relatively recent pandemic thread. -And while I only read about five percent of the trucker thread, I know that two of the posters there have conveyed the “Not my problem” stance on several other pandemic threads. -And the sentiment is definitely out there in the greater conversation.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 28, 2022 0:28:49 GMT
If that is the case why did she not just generalise rather than personalise to our family.
I have seen the hatred on this board between republicans and democrats .
I object to being used as a pawn in her game to score points in a political feud.
This is my family’s life.
The remarks were cruel and hurtful and should never have been made.
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Post by Zee on Feb 28, 2022 0:37:08 GMT
Yes, however can you point the people who said this enabling her to comment on their remarks ? I can’t. I feel this this is something she wanted to say herself but veiled it behind other unnamed peas to put the blame on them rather than being straightforward. It leaves an abusive comment whilst not taking responsibility for it. The only people she's abusing are anti-vaxers, so if you are one, I guess you can be offended. Otherwise, you're really reaching for something to be offended about. And calling it "abuse"? Just stop it. She did no such thing.
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Post by Skellinton on Feb 28, 2022 0:39:33 GMT
Yes, however can you point the people who said this enabling her to comment on their remarks ? I’ll bite. -I distinctly remember somebody posting “We all have to die sometime” with the oh-well-shrugging emoji on a relatively recent pandemic thread. -And while I only read about five percent of the trucker thread, I know that two of the posters there have conveyed the “Not my problem” stance on several other pandemic threads. -And the sentiment is definitely out there in the greater conversation. And the peas that post that are typically called out for being callous bitches, although not using that exact phrase, they have been called out for it, repeatedly.
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Post by elaine on Feb 28, 2022 0:41:21 GMT
If that is the case why did she not just generalise rather than personalise to our family. I have seen the hatred on this board between republicans and democrats . I object to being used as a pawn in her game to score points in a political feud. This is my family’s life.
The remarks were cruel and hurtful and should never have been made. It is also MY life and my sons’ (who are both high risk). You read it wrong/misunderstood. After all of this, YOUR remarks are the ones that are cruel and hurtful. You are the one using Sassy as a pawn to further whatever your agenda is at this point. You were not the victim of anything but your own lack of understanding.
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Post by zella on Feb 28, 2022 0:43:28 GMT
Well. This is intense. cakediva I agree with you. I personally have enough stress elsewhere, and like coming here for a break from that. I too have had to leave the board for a while when it got to be too much. I've now got a short list of people on ignore, and that does help a lot. I didn't do that for probably 15 years between the two boards, but now I've decided I have to. For my sanity. I know that I have been nasty on here. Not a lot, but I have. I also have publicly and privately apologized, and I'd love to see more of that from people. I do think there's all the difference in the world between disagreeing and calling people names. I'm not talking about public figures; they are fair game. But people on here? I think the worst thing I've ever called someone was a bitch, and I probably shouldn't even have done that. I would never say I didn't care if someone on here died, or anything that nasty, and no one should. @ktc, I am in a very similar situation. I've pretty much had to isolate since Covid started, along with my daughter. It sucks. I too had to really research the vaccines. I decided I was far more likely to have problems if I got Covid, and I was really risking my life. Consequently all 3 of us are triple vaccinated. But I also have a granddaughter who got seizures from vaccines given earlier in her life. Her mother chooses not to vaccinate. I don't like it, but I also understand it, and the seizures were very scary. So while I consider myself very much pro vaccine, I also understand that may not be the best answer for everyone (though I do think it'd be best for 99+% of us). I struggle often to see both sides of some issues. But I try. I put Hivemind on my Kindle and plan to start reading it tonight. I have a daughter who has suddenly gone to the opposite end of the political spectrum (not the DD that lives with us) and I try to just keep the lines of communication open, even though my heart hurts like hell at some of the things she says and does. I'll mention too that one of my stepdaughters is non-binary, very much on the LGBTQ+ spectrum. I live in Florida. For my health. And I hope that if enough likeminded people move here, we can bring change to this state. The two things can both be true.
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Post by cakediva on Feb 28, 2022 0:43:51 GMT
If that is the case why did she not just generalise rather than personalise to our family. I have seen the hatred on this board between republicans and democrats . I object to being used as a pawn in her game to score points in a political feud. This is my family’s life. The remarks were cruel and hurtful and should never have been made. Holy moly - she didn't use you as a pawn in a political feud. When I read it, I read it as meaning not you specifically, but "general you" as in "they don't care whether you (insert anybody at all) live or die" You really are taking this too personally. She was explaining that there are those out there who don't care if anybody lives or dies, they are not masking or getting vaccinated to help prevent it. sassyangel did not mean you specifically!
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Post by finsup on Feb 28, 2022 0:48:41 GMT
And here’s my daily WTF…
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Feb 28, 2022 0:50:28 GMT
If that is the case why did she not just generalise rather than personalise to our family. I have seen the hatred on this board between republicans and democrats . I object to being used as a pawn in her game to score points in a political feud. This is my family’s life. The remarks were cruel and hurtful and should never have been made. She wasn’t trying to score points. And again, she was not wishing any harm to your family. She was referencing the sentiments of some of the anti-vaxxed/anti-mandate crowd.
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Post by dawnnikol on Feb 28, 2022 0:50:30 GMT
If that is the case why did she not just generalise rather than personalise to our family. I have seen the hatred on this board between republicans and democrats . I object to being used as a pawn in her game to score points in a political feud. This is my family’s life. The remarks were cruel and hurtful and should never have been made. She was directly responding to you and I took her post to mean general "you", but it did also relate to you personally. She was not saying she hopes that happens to you or your family in any way, shape, or form. You brought up your family, she responded with her opinions on how anti-vaxxers are responding and have been responding. She does not want to use you as a pawn. She owns what she says and does not mince words. And, in case you blocked her and couldn't see her response, she has responded on this thread to say she did not mean it the way you have taken it. Many people, myself included, have said how most anti-vaxxers we've encountered are very selfish and don't care about anyone else. That is what she was pointing out again.
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Post by sideways on Feb 28, 2022 0:51:10 GMT
If that is the case why did she not just generalise rather than personalise to our family. I have seen the hatred on this board between republicans and democrats . I object to being used as a pawn in her game to score points in a political feud. This is my family’s life. The remarks were cruel and hurtful and should never have been made. Good fucking grief. She didn’t do anything you’re accusing her of. YOU are the offensive one here. JUST STOP.
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