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Post by pixiechick on Feb 28, 2022 0:57:15 GMT
If that is the case why did she not just generalise rather than personalise to our family. I have seen the hatred on this board between republicans and democrats . I object to being used as a pawn in her game to score points in a political feud. This is my family’s life. The remarks were cruel and hurtful and should never have been made. I have been reading and not commenting, at all, but I need to speak up here. Sassyangel is not very kind to me, at all. Because I have a different opinion from the majority and dare to say it and defend myself from the personal attacks that happen when I speak up and because I stand behind my statements when the facts back them up instead of sitting down and shutting up when the "we have told you how it is" crowd try to get me to do so even when the facts do not support them. She tries to get people to not respond to me and tells me I add nothing to this board. Nevertheless, she did not say what you took it as. She's saying the anti-vax are the ones that don't care if people live or die and she only RELATED it to your situation. It wasn't a veiled attempt to say it about you at all. With as hateful as she is to me and I'm saying that the way you took it is not what she said, please believe that. |
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Post by sassyangel on Feb 28, 2022 1:02:54 GMT
Mine too, I think I’m going to go play some Animal Crossing and leave this here. Seems fitting for the thread - beginning to end.  Thanks to those who said something, I appreciate you. ❤️ |
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Post by aj2hall on Feb 28, 2022 1:05:49 GMT
“You've seen it for yourself on this thread - they have been crystal clear and totally unapologetic about it. Most of these people against them too, could not care less if you and your clinically vulnerable family live or die. You mean less than zero to them”
“I'll say this again. Not only are they not taking precautions to reduce the spread because they're done with masks and being told what to do by anybody, but they actively don't care if you live or die as a result”
I'm sorry that your take away was that she doesn't care if you or your family dies. As others have explained, I don't think that wasn't her intent at all. She was referring to the extreme, crazy anti-vaxxers and anti-maskers in general and their selfish attitudes. And you as a general you, not you or your family specifically. Would it help for reference if I found the post from the pea who basically said she refuses to wear a mask and doesn't care what happens to anyone else? I think the majority of us that post on political or covid threads know exactly who it is and remember the post, but if you haven't participated, maybe you're missing the context with sassyangel's reference to the board? |
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Post by AmeliaBloomer on Feb 28, 2022 1:07:40 GMT
If that is the case why did she not just generalise rather than personalise to our family.I have seen the hatred on this board between republicans and democrats . I object to being used as a pawn in her game to score points in a political feud. This is my family’s life. The remarks were cruel and hurtful and should never have been made. [I think you were responding to me (post above yours), but not sure, so I’ll answer. Bold mine.] Answer: She personalized because it was a conversation. In a forum. Where we illustrate our opinions with personal information and we integrate the personal info shared by others into our replies to them. She countered your concern for others’ vaccine rights by saying those same people might not be concerned for your own family’s health or survival. To me, it was just relating to you personally, not callously - or inappropriately - raising the specter of your family’s demise to inflict pain. If it’s upsetting to interact with people who will connect what you personally share to the larger topic, you might want to move forward here without sharing that information. Few will know that it is off limits. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 28, 2022 1:30:55 GMT
If that is the case why did she not just generalise rather than personalise to our family. I have seen the hatred on this board between republicans and democrats . I object to being used as a pawn in her game to score points in a political feud. This is my family’s life. The remarks were cruel and hurtful and should never have been made. Stop it @ktc no one is using you as a pawn and sassyangel most certainly did not say what you are accusing her of. You really need to re read her post and apologise to her. This isn't the first time you have been accusatory in your posts with no basis to do so. You've done it to me in the past. I ignore your post now but I wasn't going to stand by and let you do it to sassyangel too. |
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Post by pixiechick on Feb 28, 2022 1:44:08 GMT
I was going to wait until the Reading thread tomorrow but I've just finished reading Hivemind: The New Science of Tribalism in our Divided World. And I think it should be required reading for anyone with strong political opinions on either side of the spectrum. Cavanagh is a psychologist who examines group think, positive and negative and gives us hope for how we can bridge some of the gap between us. I think it was a very interesting look into the phenomenon of people being so beholden to their hive, that they can't reach across and see where the other side is coming from. This was what I intended to be my first (and possibly only) response to this thread... Thanks for this. Based on your description and recommendation it's going to be the very next book I read. ...when I finish the one I'm reading now. I just finished one and I only just started another. I recommend the one I finished, Don't Burn This Book: Thinking for Yourself in an Age of Unreason by Dave Rubin It was so interesting. I'd love to recommend the other, but I should probably read the whole thing before I do. Both are written by Left leaning writers if that holds any weight to something *I* might recommend. |
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Post by leftturnonly on Feb 28, 2022 1:51:30 GMT
@ktc - I've seen many posters on this board openly wish harm on people they disagreed with. I didn't see that in the posts by sassyangel you referred to, though. There certainly wasn't much room on that trucker thread for variation of opinion, so I can't say that I'm surprised that there were posts that hit you the wrong way.  |
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Post by auntiepeas on Feb 28, 2022 3:45:41 GMT
I'm sorry that your take away was that she doesn't care if you or your family dies. As others have explained, I don't think that wasn't her intent at all. She was referring to the extreme, crazy anti-vaxxers and anti-maskers in general and their selfish attitudes. And you as a general you, not you or your family specifically. Would it help for reference if I found the post from the pea who basically said she refuses to wear a mask and doesn't care what happens to anyone else? I think the majority of us that post on political or covid threads know exactly who it is and remember the post, but if you haven't participated, maybe you're missing the context with sassyangel's reference to the board? I agree, particularly with the part I’ve quoted in bold. @ktc , I remember how kind you were in your response to my feelings about the AUKUS defence pact and I care that you’ve felt hurt. For what it’s worth, I think many of us can relate to having misinterpreted something written, especially when the subject was particularly sensitive and personal. Sending gentle hugs to you and sassyangel . |
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Post by samantha25 on Feb 28, 2022 5:04:36 GMT
Who is Lettuce? and why are you letting them rile you up?
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Post by Skellinton on Feb 28, 2022 5:13:41 GMT
Who is Lettuce? and why are you letting them rile you up? Go back to page 5. She is maligning a member of the board who didn’t do anything wrong and also calling out everyone else for not standing up to the pea she is falsely accusing. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 28, 2022 8:39:35 GMT
I have received a lot of notifications and will be reading them later and catching up with the thread afterwards but after a poor night’s sleep I just want to get this out of way .
The following words were targeted specifically to me and my family .
As the sole recipient of these remarks my feelings are explained below.
“You've seen it for yourself on this thread - they have been crystal clear and totally unapologetic about it. Most of these people against them too, could not care less if you and your clinically vulnerable family live or die. You mean less than zero to them”
“I'll say this again. Not only are they not taking precautions to reduce the spread because they're done with masks and being told what to do by anybody, but they actively don't care if you live or die as a result”
A general comment could have been made without involving me at all. It was not necessary .
Instead she dragged my family in saying our lives were worth less than zero and no one cared if we lived or died as clinically vulnerable.
This was not a general “you”
I appreciate the sentiment of others that feel I have misunderstood but it does not feel that way.
It feels like I have been kicked, kicked again, then kicked some more.
could not care less if you and your clinically vulnerable family live or die.
You mean less than zero to them
I'll say this again. ... they actively don't care if you live or die as a result
3 times she chose to hurt me no matter which angle she was approaching from (well intentioned or not)
She did not need to use my family in that way to illustrate her point.
She could have chosen the phrase ‘anyone’ instead of ‘you’ . She could have used general ‘you’ but did not.
”You and your clinically vulnerable family” can not be interpreted in other way other than personal rather than general.
No one else has said comments like her.
Those words came out of her mouth no one elses.
I will not be discussing this further.
Except I would like to say thank you for any support that I have received.
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Post by gar on Feb 28, 2022 9:05:18 GMT
“You've seen it for yourself on this thread - they have been crystal clear and totally unapologetic about it. Most of these people against them too, could not care less if you and your clinically vulnerable family live or die. You mean less than zero to them” They/them = anti-vax/anti masking people. It's fine if you don't want to discuss it further but I hope you do read through all the notifications and posts trying to explain it you and consider them. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 28, 2022 10:09:43 GMT
@ktc you really do need to go back and re-read page 15 of this thread and reflect on how you have interpreted sassyangel replies to different sections of your earlier posts in that thread. The one particular post that sassyangel has broken down and replied to. She's made quite valid points to many of your opinions regarding vaccine mandates. You might not agree with them and that's fine. Everyone has their own opinion in the same way as you dismissed onelasttime reply to another, earlier post with a " There are pros and cons on both sides" You do seem to have a problem with anyone posting - a. a different opinion to yourself and b. anyone that corrects you on points that may be inaccurate in some of your posts. The pronoun You - can mean you personally or a general you . they/them = others in this instance . |
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Feb 28, 2022 10:41:06 GMT
I have received a lot of notifications and will be reading them later and catching up with the thread afterwards but after a poor night’s sleep I just want to get this out of way . The following words were targeted specifically to me and my family . As the sole recipient of these remarks my feelings are explained below.
“You've seen it for yourself on this thread - they have been crystal clear and totally unapologetic about it. Most of these people against them too, could not care less if you and your clinically vulnerable family live or die. You mean less than zero to them”
“I'll say this again. Not only are they not taking precautions to reduce the spread because they're done with masks and being told what to do by anybody, but they actively don't care if you live or die as a result” A general comment could have been made without involving me at all. It was not necessary . Instead she dragged my family in saying our lives were worth less than zero and no one cared if we lived or died as clinically vulnerable. This was not a general “you” I appreciate the sentiment of others that feel I have misunderstood but it does not feel that way. It feels like I have been kicked, kicked again, then kicked some more. could not care less if you and your clinically vulnerable family live or die.
You mean less than zero to them
I'll say this again. ... they actively don't care if you live or die as a result
3 times she chose to hurt me no matter which angle she was approaching from (well intentioned or not) She did not need to use my family in that way to illustrate her point. She could have chosen the phrase ‘anyone’ instead of ‘you’ . She could have used general ‘you’ but did not. ”You and your clinically vulnerable family” can not be interpreted in other way other than personal rather than general. No one else has said comments like her. Those words came out of her mouth no one elses. I will not be discussing this further. Except I would like to say thank you for any support that I have received. Again, that’s absolutely not what she said! |
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Post by leftturnonly on Feb 28, 2022 10:44:18 GMT
“You've seen it for yourself on this thread - they have been crystal clear and totally unapologetic about it. Most of these people against them too, could not care less if you and your clinically vulnerable family live or die. You mean less than zero to them” They/them = anti-vax/anti masking people. It's fine if you don't want to discuss it further but I hope you do read through all the notifications and posts trying to explain it you and consider them. NOT singling you out, Gar. Only quoting you because your post was both short and nearby. I bet I've listened to more hours of self-identifying, anti-vax, anti-mask, anti-mandate people than have most on this board, and the vast majority are nothing like the over-simplified characterizations generally assumed by this board to be true. They/them. People of every skin color and from every ethnic group, every political viewpoint, every educational status, every religion, and every occupation living in locations all around the world have concerns and grievances with governmental heavy-handedness created because of a pandemic that they are openly mocked and actively cancelled for questioning. All reduced here to they/them. This is the reality of the world today. It's ironic that the vast majority of "them" just want to live in freedom and go on about their own business in peace while the vast majority of "us" want continued restrictions on freedoms without true accountability. Just a reminder here that "they" weren't the ones to break quarantine and go out into the streets en masse armed with bricks and molotov cocktails, yet "they" are considered the dangerous ones. |
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Post by michellegb on Feb 28, 2022 11:03:00 GMT
They/them = anti-vax/anti masking people. It's fine if you don't want to discuss it further but I hope you do read through all the notifications and posts trying to explain it you and consider them. NOT singling you out, Gar. Only quoting you because your post was both short and nearby. I bet I've listened to more hours of self-identifying, anti-vax, anti-mask, anti-mandate people than have most on this board, and the vast majority are nothing like the over-simplified characterizations generally assumed by this board to be true. They/them. People of every skin color and from every ethnic group, every political viewpoint, every educational status, every religion, and every occupation living in locations all around the world have concerns and grievances with governmental heavy-handedness created because of a pandemic that they are openly mocked and actively cancelled for questioning. All reduced here to they/them. This is the reality of the world today. It's ironic that the vast majority of "them" just want to live in freedom and go on about their own business in peace while the vast majority of "us" want continued restrictions on freedoms without true accountability. Just a reminder here that "they" weren't the ones to break quarantine and go out into the streets en masse armed with bricks and molotov cocktails, yet "they" are considered the dangerous ones. FFS. It's not a valid comparison but you will not concede that. Here's a comparison that may work for you - the reason people can't exercise their "freedom" to smoke in public is because doing that directly negatively impacts the health of people around them. It was determined that it was in the best interests of the public to do this for the greater good. I consider those kinds of actions just part and parcel of living in a civilized society. I don't equate having to wear shoes or a mask into a store an assault on my freedoms. The people who want to be "free" and will not wear a mask or get a vaccine have a direct health impact on the people around them - sometimes with long-term or fatal consequences (and for clarity - I am NOT including those who have legitimate health reasons for not being able to be vaccinated). This is just part of why there have to be mandates. You simply cannot rely on people to think of others and maybe modify their behavior in a manner that would be good for many instead of the one. It's been completely disheartening to many of us to realize just how selfish or cavalier about others struggles many people are. And Sassyangel was not being mean to Lettuce. It is clear to me that she was using the "general" you to encompass everyone who is at risk. I'm sorry that Lettuce cannot see that and that her feelings were hurt. |
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Post by monklady123 on Feb 28, 2022 11:41:51 GMT
I came to catch up on this thread and still have a couple of pages to go -- and wow. I don't care if it's already a pile-on, I have to say something anyway. @ktc you need to improve your reading comprehension! wow sassyangel did NOT say what you have accused her of. wow. Omg, I see this lack of ability to read all the time in FB groups but this one takes the cake. It's one thing if I said in a cooking group that I used chicken straight from the freezer in my Instant Pot and someone asks "did you thaw your chicken first?" -- That one causes me to roll my eyes and restrain my fingers, but in the end who cares? But accusing sassyangel of this? wow. and wow again.  |
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Post by gar on Feb 28, 2022 11:56:09 GMT
All reduced here to they/them. I see what you did there!  But nope  - as you assuredly know, this was over-simplification for the purpose of clarification and not at all what you are trying to twist it into. |
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Post by jeremysgirl on Feb 28, 2022 12:02:54 GMT
Thanks for the book recommend pixiechick I have added it to my want to read list on Goodreads. |
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Post by craftykitten on Feb 28, 2022 12:04:47 GMT
I came to catch up on this thread and still have a couple of pages to go -- and wow. I don't care if it's already a pile-on, I have to say something anyway. @ktc you need to improve your reading comprehension! wow sassyangel did NOT say what you have accused her of. wow. Omg, I see this lack of ability to read all the time in FB groups but this one takes the cake. It's one thing if I said in a cooking group that I used chicken straight from the freezer in my Instant Pot and someone asks "did you thaw your chicken first?" -- That one causes me to roll my eyes and restrain my fingers, but in the end who cares? But accusing sassyangel of this? wow. and wow again. Oh come on, that’s just so rude. Why bother to add to a pile-on with another insult? Lettuce has obviously been really hurt, maybe she misinterpreted something, but you’ve just got to add your ‘improve your reading comprehension’ comment? Really unnecessary. |
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Post by mikklynn on Feb 28, 2022 12:10:50 GMT
cakediva AMEN! I am using my block feature more and more.
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Post by christine58 on Feb 28, 2022 12:43:02 GMT
cakediva AMEN! I am using my block feature more and more. Me too added 3 people yesterday |
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Feb 28, 2022 14:03:05 GMT
“You've seen it for yourself on this thread - they have been crystal clear and totally unapologetic about it. Most of these people against them too, could not care less if you and your clinically vulnerable family live or die. You mean less than zero to them”
“I'll say this again. Not only are they not taking precautions to reduce the spread because they're done with masks and being told what to do by anybody, but they actively don't care if you live or die as a result”
Are you upset because you perceived these statements to mean that sassyangel didn’t care about you or your family? Or are you upset that she said other peas on the thread didn’t care and nobody on the thread who was against mandates corrected her, so therefore it must be true? I am glad that you posted this and I hope you can get some clarification on what was meant, rather than holding it in. |
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Post by gar on Feb 28, 2022 14:23:28 GMT
She could have chosen the phrase ‘anyone’ instead of ‘you’ . She could have used general ‘you’ but did not. ”You and your clinically vulnerable family” can not be interpreted in other way other than personal rather than general. I've just re-read this bit and wanted to add this; you have talked quite openly about your family and the vulnerability problems and stress that you/they have. I think this makes it very difficult to have known or guessed that she (sassy angel) should not have mentioned them too. But - she was still not saying that she didn't care, but that there are some folk who do not. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 28, 2022 14:26:19 GMT
“You've seen it for yourself on this thread - they have been crystal clear and totally unapologetic about it. Most of these people against them too, could not care less if you and your clinically vulnerable family live or die. You mean less than zero to them”
“I'll say this again. Not only are they not taking precautions to reduce the spread because they're done with masks and being told what to do by anybody, but they actively don't care if you live or die as a result”
Or are you upset that she said other peas on the thread didn’t care and nobody on the thread who was against mandates corrected her, so therefore it must be true? I am glad that you posted this and I hope you can get some clarification on what was meant, rather than holding it in. You need to read the rest of the thread from the bottom of page 4. She's been told by a number of members that she has wrongly interpreted what sassyangel said on another thread ( the link is in one of my previous post on this thread) |
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Post by DEX on Feb 28, 2022 14:27:17 GMT
@ktc, I empathize with your hurt and anger. A similar thing happened to me years ago. When you are in a scary place and someone may inadvertently say something including “they/them”, it is natural for you to think someone is attacking you personally. Your reading comprehension is fine. Your fear, anxiety and lack of support made you misinterpret the situation.  I hope time and the lessening of anxiety will help to heal the hurt. I, too, think that sassyangel meant you no ill will but I do appreciate what your feelings might have been. |
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Post by sassyangel on Feb 28, 2022 14:30:44 GMT
I came to catch up on this thread and still have a couple of pages to go -- and wow. I don't care if it's already a pile-on, I have to say something anyway. @ktc you need to improve your reading comprehension! wow sassyangel did NOT say what you have accused her of. wow. Omg, I see this lack of ability to read all the time in FB groups but this one takes the cake. It's one thing if I said in a cooking group that I used chicken straight from the freezer in my Instant Pot and someone asks "did you thaw your chicken first?" -- That one causes me to roll my eyes and restrain my fingers, but in the end who cares? But accusing sassyangel of this? wow. and wow again. Oh come on, that’s just so rude. Why bother to add to a pile-on with another insult? Lettuce has obviously been really hurt, maybe she misinterpreted something, but you’ve just got to add your ‘improve your reading comprehension’ comment? Really unnecessary. You know what else is really unnecessary? And hurtful? Not just doubling down, but tripling and quadrupling down on something, when it’s clearly a misunderstanding. No “maybes” about it. It IS a misunderstanding. At this point, it’s a deliberate one. 🤷🏼♀️ Continuing to say really awful things about me (actual lies, at this point) and ignoring *any* attempt to clarify, that’s also unnecessary. I’ve blocked her, I won’t *ever* engage with her again. There is clearly nothing else to say. And at this point, I really hope she’s blocked me too, because that seems necessary. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 28, 2022 14:35:34 GMT
She could have chosen the phrase ‘anyone’ instead of ‘you’ . She could have used general ‘you’ but did not. ”You and your clinically vulnerable family” can not be interpreted in other way other than personal rather than general. I've just re-read this bit and wanted to add this; you have talked quite openly about your family and the vulnerability problems and stress that you/they have. I think this makes it very difficult to have known or guessed that she (sassy angel) should not have mentioned them too. But - she was still not saying that she didn't care, but that there are some folk who do not. It need to be taken in context though as to what sassyangel was replying to. She wasn't randomly replying to the whole post she was replying to a particular part of @ktc post. LettuceSassyangel's reply to the above |
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Post by pixiechick on Feb 28, 2022 14:52:36 GMT
Thanks for the book recommend pixiechick I have added it to my want to read list on Goodreads. I hope you share your impressions with me/us, even if it's far into the future.  |
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Post by pinklady on Feb 28, 2022 14:55:59 GMT
I came to catch up on this thread and still have a couple of pages to go -- and wow. I don't care if it's already a pile-on, I have to say something anyway. @ktc you need to improve your reading comprehension! wow sassyangel did NOT say what you have accused her of. wow. Omg, I see this lack of ability to read all the time in FB groups but this one takes the cake. It's one thing if I said in a cooking group that I used chicken straight from the freezer in my Instant Pot and someone asks "did you thaw your chicken first?" -- That one causes me to roll my eyes and restrain my fingers, but in the end who cares? But accusing sassyangel of this? wow. and wow again. Oh come on, that’s just so rude. Why bother to add to a pile-on with another insult? Lettuce has obviously been really hurt, maybe she misinterpreted something, but you’ve just got to add your ‘improve your reading comprehension’ comment? Really unnecessary. Actually no its the truth and frankly her repeatedly showing her ignorance is abhorrent. I’m not a spreadsheet keeper so I don’t know for a fact that it’s true, and frankly I don’t care enough about this poster to confirm, but a few pages back someone said this is repeated behavior for this pea. If true, everyone needs to steer clear of her. |
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