JustTricia
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Post by JustTricia on Mar 16, 2022 0:15:29 GMT
We just started changing the time twice a year in 2006 in Indiana. Now less than 20 years later we may be going back to not changing? 🤦🏼♀️
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Mar 16, 2022 0:36:50 GMT
Marco Rubio was a sponsor to this bill.
Funny thing is that he touted that there was “tons of science” to back up the seasonal disorder affects….
(But he wasn’t a proponent for science during covid!)
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Post by Legacy Girl on Mar 16, 2022 0:40:24 GMT
Sunny evenings!  Sunny evenings! Sunny evenings! |
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Post by chaosisapony on Mar 16, 2022 1:12:40 GMT
YES! I am really hoping this finally gets done. I don't care where they put the clock, I just want to stop changing it!
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Post by milocat on Mar 16, 2022 1:34:37 GMT
Good luck. That's what Canada needs, a federal not provincial decision. Alberta brought it up awhile ago, it was shot down. Then a few years later BC brings it up, 2 things were they are already far behind eastern time this would make it worse and our neighbours next door just voted no so that's tough for many people. Then Alberta brought ot up again and acutally let the people vote on it in the last election, it was almost a 50/50 split. I'm sure other provinces have brought it up. Except Saskatchewan they don't change. I'd rather be on winter time all the time. If we stayed on DST then in the winter it wouldn't start getting bright until after 10am, that's sad. But most people don't live this far north. Summer doesn't matter, it's hardly dark. That's what I want too I want it to stay on winter time. I want it to stay the same, but not dst I think the reason the last vote by the people was so split was because if it had asked 1) do you think we should stop switching time? 2) should we stay on summer or winter time. They would have got different reasons. |
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Post by tracylynn on Mar 16, 2022 2:03:37 GMT
I'm with you. We need to fall back in the fall and then leave it alone. Of course, that will mean that it's light here by 4 am in the summer (Brussels is roughly the same latitude as Winnipeg), but that's better than dawn at 9:30 am in the winter! I'm on the same latitude as Edinburgh. In the summer it's dark by 11:30 pm and light by (I don't know, I'm not up) 3:30 or 4 am. It never gets totally dark. If we're going to stop changing clocks, I want to always be Daylight Savings. It gets dark at 4:30 - 4:45 in the Winter here, and I'm not a fan. What time does it get light in the morning? Here it's 9:30 am and dark by 4:30 pm. As much as I love springing ahead and getting the evening light. 10:30 am winter sunrise seems pretty bad. It takes another hour to get over the trees and houses to shine into my house for a brief period. I wonder if this is true for all mountain, and even pacific, time zone people? Or just Canadians? Probably not so bad the further south you go into the US because the sunrise is close to the wake time. arts.ucalgary.ca/news/circadian-rhythm-expert-cautions-albertans-against-permanent-daylight-savings-timeOn gloomy days, which they're are a lot here in the Winter, closer to 8am. But honestly, I'm OK with that. It's the evening that really brings me down with the dark in the Winter. |
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Post by 950nancy on Mar 16, 2022 2:26:25 GMT
SWEET JESUS LET THIS PASS!!!!!!
The last two days have been absolutely glorious. We live on the side of a mountain and at 3 pm (on December 21st) the sun is DOWN. It doesn't get dark then, but no sun and I need it for longer in the day. Today I just sat out on my swing chair and smiled until five when I had to go in and feed the dogs.
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Post by Laurie on Mar 16, 2022 2:34:40 GMT
Change it 1/2 hour and never touch it again. I don't understand the whole kids going to school in the dark thing as a reason to mess with the clock. My dd's leave for the bus stop at 6:25 am, it was just starting to get light out as they left the house last week, now with moving the clock forward they're going to school in the dark again... Middle school DS gets home at 5 pm and has been walking home from the bus stop in the dark since November... maybe leave the clocks alone and change school hours  I thought the reason behind it was for the farmers? Sunlight longer for and harvest. It starts before planting and ends after harvest time. Never heard about it being for school. |
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Post by Skellinton on Mar 16, 2022 3:13:03 GMT
I guess people enjoy it being dark until 9am in the winter. That would be worse for your body than changing time. I really hope this doesnt pass. People in parts of the world deal with it being dark all day in the winter and light all day in the summer. I think your body would adjust pretty darn quick and I bet in a year or so people won’t even remember what it was like. I think picking one time and sticking to it will be a lot easier for most people to adjust to rather then the constant switching. |
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Just T
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Post by Just T on Mar 16, 2022 3:23:59 GMT
While I hate the early dark in the winter and love once we set our clocks up in the spring, I don't know that I want to not have sunrise until 9 am either.
I am just a winter hater and need to move to a southern, WARM climate. LOL
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Post by used2scrap on Mar 16, 2022 3:25:03 GMT
Change it 1/2 hour and never touch it again. I don't understand the whole kids going to school in the dark thing as a reason to mess with the clock. My dd's leave for the bus stop at 6:25 am, it was just starting to get light out as they left the house last week, now with moving the clock forward they're going to school in the dark again... Middle school DS gets home at 5 pm and has been walking home from the bus stop in the dark since November... maybe leave the clocks alone and change school hours I thought the reason behind it was for the farmers? Sunlight longer for and harvest. It starts before planting and ends after harvest time. Never heard about it being for school. The farmers I know work sunup to sundown and then some. The time on the clock isn’t the deciding factor. |
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Post by Laurie on Mar 16, 2022 3:45:19 GMT
I thought the reason behind it was for the farmers? Sunlight longer for and harvest. It starts before planting and ends after harvest time. Never heard about it being for school. The farmers I know work sunup to sundown and then some. The time on the clock isn’t the deciding factor. Yeah I think it is no longer needed now since the equipment has lights whereas they didn’t when it originated. Out of curiosity I just finished googling the history of it and it was not started due to farming or school. |
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Post by crazy4scraps on Mar 16, 2022 4:03:38 GMT
In MN it sucks in the winter no matter what you do so I’d rather stop all the nonsensical switching back and forth. It screws me up for weeks in both directions. I’d be really good with never having to change the clocks again. It really has outlasted whatever useful purpose it may have once served.
Like someone else mentioned, it was finally starting to be light in the morning at the time my kid is out waiting for the bus (and she would be standing out in the street if DH didn’t plow a spot for her to stand next to our mailbox, there are no sidewalks where we live and the snowplows make a berm that’s about 3’ thick of ice on that side of the street, sooo safe! Not.) and now it’s dark again.
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Post by katlady on Mar 16, 2022 4:31:43 GMT
Out of curiosity I just finished googling the history of it and it was not started due to farming or school. Wasn't it started to conserve fuel during WWI, and then later used again during WWII. After that, it kind of stuck. I guess now with a lot of solar powered homes and businesses, longer daylight would be better for conserving energy. |
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Post by crazy4scraps on Mar 16, 2022 13:34:09 GMT
Out of curiosity I just finished googling the history of it and it was not started due to farming or school. Wasn't it started to conserve fuel during WWI, and then later used again during WWII. After that, it kind of stuck. I guess now with a lot of solar powered homes and businesses, longer daylight would be better for conserving energy. I read though that with all the switching, home energy use increases so not as much energy is conserved as people might think. The reality is, many communities now operate 24/7 anyway so the whole point is moot. If energy conservation was the goal, it would make more sense for the long break of the school year to happen during the dark, cold winter months instead of during the warm, bright summer months. |
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Post by breetheflea on Mar 16, 2022 13:40:08 GMT
The farmers I know work sunup to sundown and then some. The time on the clock isn’t the deciding factor. Yeah I think it is no longer needed now since the equipment has lights whereas they didn’t when it originated. Out of curiosity I just finished googling the history of it and it was not started due to farming or school. In 1973 when they tried "daylight savings all year" it ended after 3 months because kids were waiting for the school bus in the dark. Also, I guess no one liked it... which is why I think they should move it 1/2 hour and leave it. A compromise. |
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Post by peppermintpatty on Mar 16, 2022 13:40:14 GMT
For a period of time in December, it won't be light until at least 8:30 in the morning.
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Post by Merge on Mar 16, 2022 14:27:00 GMT
Wasn't it started to conserve fuel during WWI, and then later used again during WWII. After that, it kind of stuck. I guess now with a lot of solar powered homes and businesses, longer daylight would be better for conserving energy. I read though that with all the switching, home energy use increases so not as much energy is conserved as people might think. The reality is, many communities now operate 24/7 anyway so the whole point is moot. If energy conservation was the goal, it would make more sense for the long break of the school year to happen during the dark, cold winter months instead of during the warm, bright summer months. Not in the south. One of the most common arguments against year round school here has been the expense of cooling schools all the way through the summer. Of course, we now start the school year in early August, so that argument seems to make less sense. |
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Post by crazy4scraps on Mar 16, 2022 15:55:15 GMT
I read though that with all the switching, home energy use increases so not as much energy is conserved as people might think. The reality is, many communities now operate 24/7 anyway so the whole point is moot. If energy conservation was the goal, it would make more sense for the long break of the school year to happen during the dark, cold winter months instead of during the warm, bright summer months. Not in the south. One of the most common arguments against year round school here has been the expense of cooling schools all the way through the summer. Of course, we now start the school year in early August, so that argument seems to make less sense. Of course. When I was originally typing that out, I had added “in northern states” but when I changed it to reframe my thought I forgot to put it back in. And you’re right about the A/C in the summer where you are. That would be killer. And quite honestly, with the record setting warm summer temperatures that have been happening here for the last ten-ish years, it really wouldn’t help having school during the summer. We pay $$$ for energy when it’s freezing and also when it’s scorching. On a somewhat related note, with the shortage of natural gas our energy bill has been in the mid-$500 range for the last few months. Normally it’s less than half that so I totally get it. |
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Post by Jen in NCal on Mar 16, 2022 16:56:33 GMT
HURRAH. WA state has been waiting (seemingly) forever for this to happen. Wouldn't it be lovely if this last weekend was the last time we had to deal with this? Three days in to the time change and I'm STILL struggling - it's never been this bad for me before. If the House passes it and Biden signs off it won't happen until November 2023. So we'll switch again this November, switch again in April of next year and then stay that way. About 70 countries switch so it will take some figuring out when you need to contact someone there. Kind of like now when I have to figure out if my mom in AZ is the same time or not as me in CA. |
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Post by katlady on Mar 16, 2022 20:34:14 GMT
Saw this article on Yahoo today. Here is a snippet of what happened the last time they made Daylight Savings year round: "Amid a U.S. energy crisis in 1973, President Richard Nixon swiftly signed a bill which put the U.S. on daylight saving time for two years, Prerau said. The law went into effect on Jan. 6, 1974.
“When it was passed, most people thought it sounded pretty good,” he said.
The public liked the idea of avoiding the confusion and frustration of changing the clocks by an hour twice a year. But soon Americans realized what permanent daylight saving time meant: Sunrises at 8 a.m. or later in the middle of winter. In some areas, sunrises could be as late as 9:30 a.m., said Prerau.
Soon "the experiment ... ran afoul of public opinion,""The experiment that was supposed to last for two years, ended in October 1974. www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/permanent-daylight-saving-time-america-052453819.html |
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Post by ellen on Mar 16, 2022 21:56:03 GMT
I walk to work when the weather permits it. In December and January I have to time my walk so that I am not walking in the dark. I live in a neighborhood that doesn't have sidewalks and once I get to the section where there are, the people who live there don't shovel them. I was glad to see this wouldn't take effect until Nov. of 2023. I will be retired. Kind of crazy to imagine being in my classroom and having it still be dark out the first hour of the school day.
I don't mind the time change and never have, but it'll be interesting to see what it will be like if this actually happens. I'm guessing a lot of people aren't going to like it.
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Post by J u l e e on Mar 16, 2022 22:12:13 GMT
This is one of those “until 2 peas, I never realized” topics. I never knew so many people had trouble with the time changes. It has never bothered me and I never realized so many people hated it.
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Post by pinklady on Mar 16, 2022 22:18:02 GMT
But soon Americans realized what permanent daylight saving time meant: Sunrises at 8 a.m. or later in the middle of winter. In some areas, sunrises could be as late as 9:30 a.m., said Prerau.
That's interesting. I guess I've never heard Arizonians or Hawaiians complain that they don't observe the time change. They are both on permanent daylight savings times right? Only people switching the time complain.  Where are the "some areas", it wasn't mentioned in the article. |
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Post by Dani-Mani on Mar 16, 2022 22:37:38 GMT
Strongly dislike this and our local news today said it’s getting massive pushback and for that, I’m happy.
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Post by maryland on Mar 16, 2022 22:53:08 GMT
I love it! I would love dst all year! I never knew of anyone not liking it until I read threads on here. It always made our family happier, we were more productive and we all slept better having been so active in evening. We also would lose the weight we gained in the winter by sitting on the sofa eating from 5 until bedtime! Haha
But I understand how people who like the early darkness would not enjoy this. So I would be fine with keeping it the way it is with changing clocks two times a year. But it also seems like many people just hate the fact that they lose an hour of sleep. So for those people, maybe if we kept dst they wouldn't have to worry about it.
I never minded "losing" an hour of sleep as I don't work on Sundays, so I would just sleep longer. And I never have a set bedtime. I stay awake really late often. Or going to sporting events, parties, etc. and staying up late. So for my family, losing an hour of sleep is not a big deal.
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Post by katlady on Mar 16, 2022 23:01:05 GMT
But soon Americans realized what permanent daylight saving time meant: Sunrises at 8 a.m. or later in the middle of winter. In some areas, sunrises could be as late as 9:30 a.m., said Prerau.
That's interesting. I guess I've never heard Arizonians or Hawaiians complain that they don't observe the time change. They are both on permanent daylight savings times right? Only people switching the time complain.  Where are the "some areas", it wasn't mentioned in the article. Hawaii and Arizona are on standard time. My Aunt doesn’t want daylight time because she said the mornings would be too dark. And Hawaii is so far south that changing the clocks doesn’t really make much of a difference. I think the “some areas” mentioned in the article are the northern states. |
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Post by maryland on Mar 16, 2022 23:07:28 GMT
I'm on the same latitude as Edinburgh. In the summer it's dark by 11:30 pm and light by (I don't know, I'm not up) 3:30 or 4 am. It never gets totally dark. What time does it get light in the morning? Here it's 9:30 am and dark by 4:30 pm. As much as I love springing ahead and getting the evening light. 10:30 am winter sunrise seems pretty bad. It takes another hour to get over the trees and houses to shine into my house for a brief period. I wonder if this is true for all mountain, and even pacific, time zone people? Or just Canadians? Probably not so bad the further south you go into the US because the sunrise is close to the wake time. arts.ucalgary.ca/news/circadian-rhythm-expert-cautions-albertans-against-permanent-daylight-savings-timeOn gloomy days, which they're are a lot here in the Winter, closer to 8am. But honestly, I'm OK with that. It's the evening that really brings me down with the dark in the Winter. I never really thought much of that until I met many people with seasonal affective disorder. After seeing how much they suffer, I have been so pro dst. The fall/winter are bad enough with the darkness, so they said even an extra hour of daylight in the evening helps them.
Some said that an evening walk in daylight helps lift their mood better than an evening walk in darkness.
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Post by pinklady on Mar 16, 2022 23:08:06 GMT
That's interesting. I guess I've never heard Arizonians or Hawaiians complain that they don't observe the time change. They are both on permanent daylight savings times right? Only people switching the time complain. Where are the "some areas", it wasn't mentioned in the article. Hawaii and Arizona are on standard time. My Aunt doesn’t want daylight time because she said the mornings would be too dark. Since Arizona and California are on the same time right now and California is currently on daylight savings time, that would mean the rest of the country is going to match Arizona which puts everyone on daylight savings time. Right? If not, I'm so confused. ETA: I found the answer...what a confusing mess! www.12news.com/article/news/local/arizona/us-senate-voted-daylight-saving-time-permanent-what-does-that-mean-arizona/75-8d3364a3-c30e-451f-a74e-39a8954bf907 |
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Post by maryland on Mar 16, 2022 23:09:08 GMT
This is one of those “until 2 peas, I never realized” topics. I never knew so many people had trouble with the time changes. It has never bothered me and I never realized so many people hated it. Same with me. Everyone I know in real life loves dst and no one has ever complained about the time change twice a year or changing clocks. We only have 5 clocks to change in our house, so it takes just about 10 min. |
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