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Post by katlady on Mar 16, 2022 23:12:46 GMT
Hawaii and Arizona are on standard time. My Aunt doesn’t want daylight time because she said the mornings would be too dark. Since Arizona and California are on the same time right now and California is currently on daylight savings time, that would mean the rest of the country is going to match Arizona which puts everyone on daylight savings time. Right? If not, I'm so confused. Arizona should be in the Mountain Time zone. They should always be one hour ahead of California. But since they don’t observe DST, we are currently on the same time until November. To make it even more confusing, the Navajo Nation in Arizona observes DST. They are one hour ahead of the non-reservation parts of Arizona. we found that out one summer while traveling and we almost had no dinner because we didn’t realized it was 9 and not 8. Lol!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 17, 2022 2:26:16 GMT
DH would love it if we were on DST all the time. This year, he struggled with the change longer than he usually does.
I personally don't really care. I just want to stop changing the clocks.
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Post by 950nancy on Mar 17, 2022 2:42:44 GMT
While I hate the early dark in the winter and love once we set our clocks up in the spring, I don't know that I want to not have sunrise until 9 am either. I am just a winter hater and need to move to a southern, WARM climate. LOL Our sun is up by 7 am in the winter and then down earlier than other places. It is interesting to hear how everyone is different. I don't mind dark in the winter if I'm just going to work. I want it to be lighter when I am home.
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Post by breetheflea on Mar 17, 2022 2:46:23 GMT
But soon Americans realized what permanent daylight saving time meant: Sunrises at 8 a.m. or later in the middle of winter. In some areas, sunrises could be as late as 9:30 a.m., said Prerau.
That's interesting. I guess I've never heard Arizonians or Hawaiians complain that they don't observe the time change. They are both on permanent daylight savings times right? Only people switching the time complain. Where are the "some areas", it wasn't mentioned in the article. Michigan because it’s on Eastern time (I think) but on the west side of the time zone. That’s the only example I could find mentioned more specifically than “some areas.”
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Post by freecharlie on Mar 17, 2022 2:51:53 GMT
While I hate the early dark in the winter and love once we set our clocks up in the spring, I don't know that I want to not have sunrise until 9 am either. I am just a winter hater and need to move to a southern, WARM climate. LOL Our sun is up by 7 am in the winter and then down earlier than other places. It is interesting to hear how everyone is different. I don't mind dark in the winter if I'm just going to work. I want it to be lighter when I am home. According to 9 news, in Colorado there will be some days that sunrise would be at about 8:20. That is pretty late for kids that are standing outside for the bus. I don't mind the thought of changing it 30 minutes, and I hate how quick it gets dark in the winter, but I also think I would hate that it would be dark in the morning for longer.
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Post by Scrapper100 on Mar 17, 2022 2:56:29 GMT
I’m not a fan of the time change but hate when it is so dark in the mornings snd I live in Southern California so not even in the north where it would be really bad. I don’t like driving in the dark but prefer to run errands early. They have changed start times for school to be later so that may not be too bad I think the earliest is 8. I used to drop off around 715 with the time change and it was still not real light not dark but I wouldn’t want to be walking at that time in the winters.
I wonder how much people will complain. I know my husband and I would prefer to stay on standard time.
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Post by Scrapper100 on Mar 17, 2022 2:57:46 GMT
Since Arizona and California are on the same time right now and California is currently on daylight savings time, that would mean the rest of the country is going to match Arizona which puts everyone on daylight savings time. Right? If not, I'm so confused. Arizona should be in the Mountain Time zone. They should always be one hour ahead of California. But since they don’t observe DST, we are currently on the same time until November. To make it even more confusing, the Navajo Nation in Arizona observes DST. They are one hour ahead of the non-reservation parts of Arizona. we found that out one summer while traveling and we almost had no dinner because we didn’t realized it was 9 and not 8. Lol! The national parks also change times. Missed a hike or showed up snd hour early because of this.
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Post by myshelly on Mar 17, 2022 3:22:06 GMT
This is one of those “until 2 peas, I never realized” topics. I never knew so many people had trouble with the time changes. It has never bothered me and I never realized so many people hated it. Same with me. Everyone I know in real life loves dst and no one has ever complained about the time change twice a year or changing clocks. We only have 5 clocks to change in our house, so it takes just about 10 min. I don’t think the complaint is about physically changing the clocks. The complaint is about how much it messes up my sleep and internal clock. I hate it. I am messed up and exhausted for weeks and so are my kids.
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Post by myshelly on Mar 17, 2022 3:23:06 GMT
I completely support this!
Pick a time and leave it alone! Looks like they’ve picked DST, so I’m happy to go with that.
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Post by crazy4scraps on Mar 17, 2022 3:35:13 GMT
Same with me. Everyone I know in real life loves dst and no one has ever complained about the time change twice a year or changing clocks. We only have 5 clocks to change in our house, so it takes just about 10 min. I don’t think the complaint is about physically changing the clocks. The complaint is about how much it messes up my sleep and internal clock. I hate it. I am messed up and exhausted for weeks and so are my kids. 100% this. Most of our clocks are newer and change automatically, it’s only the microwave and oven clocks in the kitchen and one little standalone clock in the family room that have to be manually switched, so that definitely isn’t the issue. I have a terrible time falling asleep and staying asleep to begin with, so jacking around with the time changes screws up my internal clock for a couple weeks in each direction. It makes me even more tired and miserable. It’s not as simple as just going to bed at a different time or getting an extra bit of sleep on one day to make up for it. Even my DH has said he’s been having more trouble with it this year and he normally doesn’t have any issues at all.
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Post by seaexplore on Mar 17, 2022 3:38:52 GMT
I find it so depressing when it's dark at 5PM. Let's stay on this time! We voted to do this in CA, it passed, nothing ever came of it. It didn't pass in CA. It died in the legislature. The problem was that it said CA would stay on DST forever and not Standard time forever. I was reading about it on Sunday actually. I don't care what the hell we go with but quit messing with the clocks!
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Post by grammadee on Mar 17, 2022 3:41:59 GMT
I'd rather be on winter time all the time. If we stayed on DST then in the winter it wouldn't start getting bright until after 10am, that's sad. But most people don't live this far north. Summer doesn't matter, it's hardly dark. I would have voted yes in a heartbeat if the referendum in Alberta had been to keep MST. For this very reason.
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Post by seaexplore on Mar 17, 2022 3:44:06 GMT
This is one of those “until 2 peas, I never realized” topics. I never knew so many people had trouble with the time changes. It has never bothered me and I never realized so many people hated it. I'm wide awake at 4:45 AM in November after we "fall back". It sucks. I just get used to it and start sleeping until 5:45 and we switch the clocks so I have to force myself to wake up at 5:45 AM.
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Post by katlady on Mar 17, 2022 3:52:55 GMT
I find it so depressing when it's dark at 5PM. Let's stay on this time! We voted to do this in CA, it passed, nothing ever came of it. It didn't pass in CA. It died in the legislature. The problem was that it said CA would stay on DST forever and not Standard time forever. I was reading about it on Sunday actually. I don't care what the hell we go with but quit messing with the clocks! It did pass in California, but the legislature did nothing to get on the list of states wanting to go to permanent DST. Now, S.Choi wants to amend the bill and ask Californians if they want to be on DST or Standard time. I hope they can get this all settled before Nov 2023. I am tired of switching the time, rather, my body is tired of it.
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Post by seaexplore on Mar 17, 2022 3:59:21 GMT
It didn't pass in CA. It died in the legislature. The problem was that it said CA would stay on DST forever and not Standard time forever. I was reading about it on Sunday actually. I don't care what the hell we go with but quit messing with the clocks! It did pass in California, but the legislature did nothing to get on the list of states wanting to go to permanent DST. Now, S.Choi wants to amend the bill and ask Californians if they want to be on DST or Standard time. I hope they can get this all settled before Nov 2023. I am tired of switching the time, rather, my body is tired of it. Same. The VOTERS passed it but it didn't go any further is what I should have said.
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Post by mollycoddle on Mar 17, 2022 10:03:09 GMT
This is not a big issue for me personally, but I dislike the idea of kids waiting at bus stops in the dark. I think that standard time would be better for them.
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Post by mollycoddle on Mar 17, 2022 10:11:03 GMT
Yeah I think it is no longer needed now since the equipment has lights whereas they didn’t when it originated. Out of curiosity I just finished googling the history of it and it was not started due to farming or school. In 1973 when they tried "daylight savings all year" it ended after 3 months because kids were waiting for the school bus in the dark. Also, I guess no one liked it... which is why I think they should move it 1/2 hour and leave it. A compromise. Yup. I was in high school. Below is about how people felt about permanent DST after trying it. “ In a Roper poll conducted in February and March, just 30 percent remained in favor of year-round daylight saving time, while a majority favored switching times again. Louis Harris polling in March showed just 19 percent of people said it had been a good idea, while about twice as many — 43 percent — said it was a bad one.
A big reason for the about-face? Whatever benefits might have been gleaned by giving people more sunlight in the evening during the winter, it also meant longer, darker mornings. Parents were suddenly sending their kids to school in the cold and the dark for months on end. As the Capital Weather Gang noted, such a change means the sun wouldn’t rise before 8 a.m. in Washington for more than two and a half months, between late November and mid-February. The morning darkness would linger even longer farther north.
Polling later that year — after the dark mornings had waned — was more mixed, with an Opinion Research poll in September showing 31 percent of people strongly favored the idea and 42 percent strongly opposed it. But even that wasn’t good. And the idea was abandoned shortly before the next round of morning darkness would descend in the winter of 1974-1975.”
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Post by crazy4scraps on Mar 17, 2022 14:19:31 GMT
Yup. I was in high school. Below is about how people felt about permanent DST after trying it. “ In a Roper poll conducted in February and March, just 30 percent remained in favor of year-round daylight saving time, while a majority favored switching times again. Louis Harris polling in March showed just 19 percent of people said it had been a good idea, while about twice as many — 43 percent — said it was a bad one.
A big reason for the about-face? Whatever benefits might have been gleaned by giving people more sunlight in the evening during the winter, it also meant longer, darker mornings. Parents were suddenly sending their kids to school in the cold and the dark for months on end. As the Capital Weather Gang noted, such a change means the sun wouldn’t rise before 8 a.m. in Washington for more than two and a half months, between late November and mid-February. The morning darkness would linger even longer farther north.
Polling later that year — after the dark mornings had waned — was more mixed, with an Opinion Research poll in September showing 31 percent of people strongly favored the idea and 42 percent strongly opposed it. But even that wasn’t good. And the idea was abandoned shortly before the next round of morning darkness would descend in the winter of 1974-1975.” I would have been in first grade in 1973 and we walked about 8 blocks to school, by ourselves, so I can understand why it would have been a concern back then. But I’d be curious to know what percentage of elementary school kids today walk to school alone or wait out on a bus stop alone. My kid has never done either. She has always been bussed but I would always go to the bus stop with her because where we live there are no sidewalks in our neighborhood. I also doubt very much that any of her friends were ever sent out to wait for the bus alone. I think it’s considerably safer for a kid waiting for the bus if there is an adult waiting with them no matter what. With the prevalence of before and after school care available right in the elementary schools here, many parents have to drive their kids to school anyway. The other families in my neighborhood with kids around my kid’s age all send their kids to daycare and the daycare provider is responsible for getting the kids to school. Those kids all go to private school in a neighboring city, so they are carpooled to school and don’t take the bus or walk either.
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Post by 950nancy on Mar 17, 2022 15:10:11 GMT
Our sun is up by 7 am in the winter and then down earlier than other places. It is interesting to hear how everyone is different. I don't mind dark in the winter if I'm just going to work. I want it to be lighter when I am home. According to 9 news, in Colorado there will be some days that sunrise would be at about 8:20. That is pretty late for kids that are standing outside for the bus. I don't mind the thought of changing it 30 minutes, and I hate how quick it gets dark in the winter, but I also think I would hate that it would be dark in the morning for longer. I think having the US off by 30 minutes from the rest of the world would be super confusing for businesses. I can see the need for keeping us on the hour. When I went to school, our bus picked us up in the dark all of the time. We were waiting around 6:30 am. It never bothered me and I kind of liked having it dark in the morning. I think it kept everyone quieter and better behaved on the bus. I'd only worry really about the elementary kids, and ours usually don't get on the bus until after 8 am (for many schools).
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Post by Gem Girl on Mar 17, 2022 18:43:53 GMT
For some reason, this amused me..."Better behavior through sleep deprivation" isn't a strategy I'd have considered.
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Post by jeremysgirl on Mar 17, 2022 18:46:53 GMT
That's interesting. I guess I've never heard Arizonians or Hawaiians complain that they don't observe the time change. They are both on permanent daylight savings times right? Only people switching the time complain. Where are the "some areas", it wasn't mentioned in the article. Michigan because it’s on Eastern time (I think) but on the west side of the time zone. That’s the only example I could find mentioned more specifically than “some areas.” Yes sometimes our sun isn't up until almost 8:30 am in the winter. On the flip side though in summer it is light out until almost 10pm.
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Post by 950nancy on Mar 17, 2022 20:58:38 GMT
For some reason, this amused me..."Better behavior through sleep deprivation" isn't a strategy I'd have considered. Sleepy children are better behaved, for sure. They don't learn a lot, but they do behave better.
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Post by moodyblue on Mar 17, 2022 21:30:14 GMT
Same with me. Everyone I know in real life loves dst and no one has ever complained about the time change twice a year or changing clocks. We only have 5 clocks to change in our house, so it takes just about 10 min. I don’t think the complaint is about physically changing the clocks. The complaint is about how much it messes up my sleep and internal clock. I hate it. I am messed up and exhausted for weeks and so are my kids. How do you handle time changes when you travel, which you seem to do a lot? I’m genuinely curious, not being snarky.
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Post by RosieKat on Mar 17, 2022 21:31:26 GMT
They said that here, it would mean about 2 months where the sun rose at 8:30 or later (if we stick with DST year round). Our elementary schools start at 7:40 and middle schools start at 8:20 - so not ony would they be waiting for the bus in the dark, elementary and middle school students would start school in the dark - with elementary in school for 50 minutes before sunrise! And the kids in the specialty schools in the district currently get picked up at times like 6 a.m. as it is - not sure exactly when they begin - but seems like they'd have it even worse.
I'd greatly prefer a vote to keep it standard time all year. But I do agree, I think I'd favor any option that eliminates the change back and forth.
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Post by myshelly on Mar 17, 2022 21:52:24 GMT
I don’t think the complaint is about physically changing the clocks. The complaint is about how much it messes up my sleep and internal clock. I hate it. I am messed up and exhausted for weeks and so are my kids. How do you handle time changes when you travel, which you seem to do a lot? I’m genuinely curious, not being snarky. I feel like we have a lot more motivation to get with the program when we travel 🤣 But I also think that when we travel, we are so tired anyway that it doesn’t register. We are a very up at the crack of dawn, go, go, go all day, it doesn’t matter, we can sleep when we get home kind of family on vacation. We aren’t like that at home.
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Post by katlady on Mar 17, 2022 22:32:42 GMT
How do you handle time changes when you travel, which you seem to do a lot? I’m genuinely curious, not being snarky. I feel like we have a lot more motivation to get with the program when we travel 🤣 But I also think that when we travel, we are so tired anyway that it doesn’t register. We are a very up at the crack of dawn, go, go, go all day, it doesn’t matter, we can sleep when we get home kind of family on vacation. We aren’t like that at home. Yes! For us, we are usually active and always on the go when traveling . We don’t feel the time change until we sit down and pause. It is not the same as when I go to the office after the time change and I sit down and stare at a computer screen for 8 hours. I really feel the tiredness around 2.
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Post by 950nancy on Mar 17, 2022 22:50:23 GMT
Michigan because it’s on Eastern time (I think) but on the west side of the time zone. That’s the only example I could find mentioned more specifically than “some areas.” Yes sometimes our sun isn't up until almost 8:30 am in the winter. On the flip side though in summer it is light out until almost 10pm. When you think about how big the US is with not that many times zones (in the lower 48), we are all going to have such different experiences depending on where we sit in that time zone. My cousins in MN often have sunlight until 9:30 pm. So jealous. I think our latest sunrise is shortly after 7 am.
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Post by crazy4scraps on Mar 17, 2022 22:55:07 GMT
They said that here, it would mean about 2 months where the sun rose at 8:30 or later (if we stick with DST year round). Our elementary schools start at 7:40 and middle schools start at 8:20 - so not ony would they be waiting for the bus in the dark, elementary and middle school students would start school in the dark - with elementary in school for 50 minutes before sunrise! And the kids in the specialty schools in the district currently get picked up at times like 6 a.m. as it is - not sure exactly when they begin - but seems like they'd have it even worse. I'd greatly prefer a vote to keep it standard time all year. But I do agree, I think I'd favor any option that eliminates the change back and forth. Our schools are the opposite. The high school kids start around 7:40, middle school advisory starts at 7:50 but classes start at 8:05, and elementary kids start last around 8:50 am. When my kid was in elementary, her bus came around 8:15 so even in the winter it wasn’t totally DARK dark like it was for her in the winter this year. And I agree with you, standard time is much better than DST.
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Post by aj2hall on Mar 17, 2022 23:23:28 GMT
But soon Americans realized what permanent daylight saving time meant: Sunrises at 8 a.m. or later in the middle of winter. In some areas, sunrises could be as late as 9:30 a.m., said Prerau.
That's interesting. I guess I've never heard Arizonians or Hawaiians complain that they don't observe the time change. They are both on permanent daylight savings times right? Only people switching the time complain. Where are the "some areas", it wasn't mentioned in the article. If you can see it, there's a map that shows where the latest sunrises would be. www.washingtonpost.com/weather/2022/03/17/daylight-saving-time-sunrise-sunset/But for people who live in the western edge of a time zone (such as western Indiana, Michigan or North Dakota), year-round daylight saving time would mean very dark mornings for a good portion of the year.
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Post by Loydene on Mar 18, 2022 3:44:37 GMT
I do not like the change to and from Daylight Saving time but passing a law that it is ALWAYS Daylight Saving time is just too stupid. I mean, really, if you don't want to change (and I don't) -- then just abolish the Daylight Saving "law" or regulations or whatever. Leave it at Standard time -- you know... the one that is BASED ON THE SUN. So ... like at "mid-day" the sun will be nearly in the middle of the sky!! Making Daylight Saving time permanently to avoid the change ... what a bunch of dumb clucks. Love the web site linked by breetheflea
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