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So…what’s your position then? Women should never be the subject of comedians? Chris was asking for a reckoning? What?

You keep writing women being “degenerated” on two threads. What exactly does that mean? Or do you mean denigrated?

If you personally don’t find jokes about women funny, then you don’t. I think some of them are hilarious. You’ve never seen comediennes making fun of men? It goes both ways.

You seem to be under the impression that women should be off limits and protected from any unpleasantness. I don’t subscribe to this infantilizing of women, especially black women, like we’re some delicate creatures completely devoid of brain power and agency. Just because Jada has alopecia does not make her some sort of vulnerable, disabled individual.  It doesn’t make her precious. Heck, I have psoriasis with chronic pain and 100% deaf in one ear. None of that makes me disabled, and I sure as hell don’t think I should be treated with kid gloves just because I’m a woman with a medical condition. There’s no power imbalance here just because one of the three is a woman. These three people are all black, all multimillionaires, all influential, and all have platforms where the Smiths could have taken their displeasure and duked it out with Chris to their hearts’ content.

You say you don’t approve of the violence yet you keep framing your posts in two threads like Jada was the victim. In case you didn’t know, in California, this wasn’t just assault, which is ATTEMPT at use of force. This was battery, which is ACTUAL physical contact and injury by use of force or violence. There was an actual victim here and his name is Chris Rock, not Jada Smith.

Well, of course making fun of the handicapped, etc and those who are vulnerable is not acceptable. Every reasonable person with an ounce of decency knows that. Just like everything else in entertainment, there are limits to what the public will tolerate.

You’re expanding this to something that it isn’t. This was an awards show where comedy IS part of the production. That’s precisely why just about every host is a comedian. Chris didn’t joke about a handicapped individual; he joked about a woman who’s bald and proud to be bald. She was so proud of it, she posted about it on Instagram.

And how ironic that the husband of the woman who you believe was denigrated was himself not so respectful of women. You’ve never read about Will writing in his memoir that he went “full ghetto hyena” on women in his quest for “rampant sexual intercourse” after a break-up? Charming. Must have been uplifting for the women he had sex with to know someone went full ghetto hyena on them as if they’re nothing more than commodities to be used. You’ve never read of Jada taking her son’s friend into the family under the guise of giving him love and caring he badly needed because of familial dysfunction, and then using him for sexual gratification? And admitted it in a TV interview in front of her husband? She doesn’t need anyone to diminish her; she does a fine job of it herself.

No one’s upset about your stance. No one said you’re not allowed to have your opinion. And no one here has said the joke was hilarious. Where are you getting all these? Did you even read my post? "If you personally don’t find jokes about women funny, then you don’t. I think some of them are hilarious."  I find some of the jokes about women hilarious. I didn’t say I found this specific joke hilarious.

Who’s raking you over the coals?  I am disagreeing with your assertions and using your arguments to rebut. This is a message board after all, where participants sometimes agree and sometimes disagree. If you don’t like my responses to you, then block me.

How funny…”my opinion is about the wrong thing?”

I’m not allowed to have an opinion over what I find not funny?

I’ve made it crystal clear what my thoughts are in this, and it’s certainly not glorifying Jada as a victim.

Not once have I “turned this proud, successful black woman into some sort of disabled victim” again those are your words—your assertions. You’re inserting more into what I’ve said than I have.

I have not once made reference to what Jada thinks, not putting words/thoughts to her, and I’ve clearly said that. Again, YOUR assertions on top of what I’ve stated!

And I’ve made crystal clear that my aversion is not finding that type of humor funny, especially at the expense of women—any woman.

And you made fun of me for it.

I've already read every single one of them. I don't need to re-read anything. Who's upset with you? Who said you’re not allowed to have your opinion? Who said the joke was hilarious? (And by joke, I mean Chris' joke.)

And if you're pertaining to me as being one of those responding without reading what you're actually writing and saying, you're patently wrong. These are excerpts of your actual posts on two threads: I’m solely addressing ONLY how men disparage, degenerate women—when is it too far, going to stop—we ask men to support “me too” yet they should stand down while their wife is being targeted? I’ve been speaking about how men continue, with seemingly little consequences, to degenerate women. If you read my posts, my focus was how people (men in the instances I have mentioned) speak of, talk about, degenerate women. I’ve pretty much posted that I’m tired on women being degenerated, the “butt of a joke”. My focus on this thread and the Oscars thread has been on the lack of accountability for women being degenerated in public setting.

And now you’re claiming you’re not depicting Jada as a victim? Then who were you talking about? All other women except Jada? Using your favored term, no one here is gaslighting you. You're the one who's doing it.

I have lots of feelings about this.

First, my DH would be in the doghouse for pulling shit like that. If I had had enough of being made fun of, I would be the one to speak up - not slap the person. I am, after all, a fucking adult and do know how to use my words. DH and I have discussed this ad nauseum - I am more than capable of defending myself. Him stepping up 'in my defense' undermines me.

Second, the joke was not made off-the-cuff. It was scripted. It was on the teleprompter. That means it was approved by the producers and, by extension, the Academy. The same Academy with which Smith apparently took no issue. He was outraged enough to assault the host but was perfectly fine accepting his award. Performative outrage.

Third, fuck Will Smith. Fourth, fuck Jada too. 

It doesn’t sound like you have mixed feelings, you sound pretty sure! 🤣🤣🤣

I’ve stated that I too, don’t need my hubby to defend me, but I’m happy to know that he’d have my back if needed.

Now, with that said, it does not mean I condone what Will did. I abhor violence. I think Chris Rock is a douche (and have for a while). I know very little of Jada.

I hate when comedians make personal jokes at another persons expense, especially women, because there’s a lot going on in our country where we are constantly being diminished and denigrated, and even losing our own body autonomy with healthcare.

I don’t really have thoughts beyond I would not have liked to hear a joke like that said about me, but I guess my panties are in a wad, I have no sense of humor, and need to lighten up!

I honestly don’t get into the lives of celebrities or watch much entertainment tv for that matter.

Congratulations - you've been arguing with Gia for so long that now you are just like her.

Lol! Yes you certainly do!

Why is it okay for you, personally, to denigrate men (well, one man in particular) for their appearance? 

If it is never okay to joke about a woman’s appearance- even by a comedian in the Oscars setting, where it is expected - why is it okay to make fun of a man’s appearance? 

Why the double-standard?

I, personally, find it monumentally hypocritical to continue on blasting about this when you have made countless comments denigrating various aspects of Trump’s appearance.

If it isn’t okay to joke about a woman’s appearance, it isn’t okay to joke about a man’s, even if it is a man you despise. Unless you are being hypocritical, IMO. 

Yup. You’re right—I’m a big hypocrite. I did make fun of trumps appearance. It’s been a while, but yup, I did. I’m sure someone will search back my history to find my offending posts, so I’ll just agree that I did make fun of trumps appearance.

And to be clear, I did not say it was never okay, I stated that I didn’t like that kind of humor, to me—that’s a big difference. My “blasting on” was to clear up assertions that were being made that I never wrote, said, thought.

In the last 6 months, I’ve seen/read so much (too much in my opinion) tearing down women, and I’ve voiced my opinion. I witness almost daily, the effects of what making fun of trans kids has, so I work on doing better in other aspects of life. Just because I don’t speak up for men in the same way doesn’t mean that I condone that too, like has been asserted in a post or two here and on other thread. I pick my “battles”, and apparently on this topic I’m in the wrong.

I stand corrected, the peas have enlightened me—it IS perfectly okay for comedians to make fun of all people—male, female—their appearances, lifestyles, wives, husbands and SO. I never realized that It’s all fair game and should be expected, that they have their own voices, (or PR teams if you’re a multi millionaire celebrity 😉) and don’t need a random woman with too much free time on a message board voicing her personal opinions on it.

How many times on this board have you yourself told women you’ve disagreed with that their opinions are wrong? In political threads alone, probably in the hundreds by now.

You keep talking about your concern re women being disparaged and demeaned. That this event “is just another example of how women are being diminished,” and that your “opinions are not all anchored on this one instance.” That “it’s happening everywhere and it needs to stop.” That “if this crap continues, we will continue to be diminished.”

Do you remember calling women on this board: “complete piece of crap”; “pathetic human crash and burn”; “crazy ass fucker”; “fucking awful human”; “obviously stupid, feckless moron.” Or how about describing a female public figure you detest as “a fucking cunt.”

Or do you maintain exceptions to this overriding concern of yours? Such as: Your distress over the denigration of women in general is reserved only for those whose opinions you deem valid, and the others whose opinions don’t will just have to accept it? Your words are perfectly fine because they’re not jokes? There’s nothing demeaning about your words because your female targets deserved them in your appraisal? There’s nothing wrong about your words because this is just a tiny public message board? You’re good because you weren’t making fun of women’s appearance? It’s okay because you’re not a man?

You’ve asked the questions, “Where does it stop?” and “When is it enough?” So, where do you think it should stop? When do you think it’s enough? I won’t argue with you further because it’s pointless. However, for what it’s worth, don’t indulge in this conceit of yours that you care about the tearing down of "women in general" and being disrespected, demeaned, disparaged. By your own measure, you would be found wanting.

They are all nutz.... From Lara Trump





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butt of a joke
the butt of a/the joke
The target of a joke; the person or subject being mocked or ridiculed.

My big brother loves to tease me—every time he opens his mouth, I'm the butt of the joke.
No one likes being the butt of a joke, but the best thing to do is just laugh with them.”



There is a segment of society that think it’s acceptable for people’s appearance to be made fun of in public.  

Comedians do it all the time because it makes people laugh.  Cheap jokes for cheap laughs.

I looked up the definition of “butt of a joke”, because that is what Jada was Sunday night.  And what stood out for me was the bolded sentence.  And I thought why should anyone who’s appearance is being made fun of in public “just laugh with them”?  But the real question is being why was that person put in that position in the first place?  Why is that acceptable?  I mean seriously what’s funny about making fun of someone’s appearance in public?

If any comedian thinks the only way they can be funny is to make fun of other people’s appearance then maybe they should get a new career.  IMO.

There was no question Will Smith was wrong and he apologized for it.

But Chris Rock and other comedians who think it’s ok to make fun of an audience members’s appearance for cheap laughs are wrong as well.  So when are Chris Rock and other comedians not only going to apologize for making fun of someone in public but find other ways to be funny?

The other day I saw a snippet of a video from way back when.  It was the guy who was the original voice of Donald Duck having a conversation with an animated Donald Duck.  And both were talking like Donald Duck. Now that was funny.

But what is really funny is George Carlin’s routine about stuff.  I forget when I first heard it, I mean the guy has been dead for years, but every once in awhile I will look at my stuff and smile thinking of that routine.

So it would appear that I will be disagreeing with the gang that thinks what Chris Rock said about Jada Pinkett’s appearance was not only acceptable but funny as well.  Because it wasn’t IMO.

And no I don’t think Jada was a “victim” in the true sense of the word, I just don’t think she should have been made the butt of the joke for cheap laughs when it came to her hair style.