nursema
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Post by nursema on Apr 2, 2022 1:03:21 GMT
And what stood out for me was the bolded sentence. And I thought why should anyone who’s appearance is being made fun of in public This is the issue - he did not "make fun" of her appearance. Jada shaves her head - that's a fact. He didn't say a bald head was in anyway unattractive, bad or wrong. Jada was wearing a dark green dress - he didn't any anything rude or uncomplimentary about her dress. There's an older move that stars Demi Moore, she is a very attractive women, and she has a shaved head because she's in the military being - compared to her is also not an insult. In that movie she plays a women keeping up with men in the military...also nothing insulting there either, people in the armed forces are admired. She's fit and strong in that film. So Chris Rock sees Jada with a shaved head a in a green dress...he gets reminded that movie and says "GI Jane 2 - can't wait to see it" He just said she looks like a specific woman in a promotional poster for a specific film. How is Jada the "butt of a joke" here? he compared her looks to a very attractive (real) woman playing a strong/fit character who defends her country. He didn't call or ugly or dumb or old, the movie wasn't about a stripper or a hooker, or some bimbo. The movie opened at no 1 and Moore got decent reviews. I'm failing to see why people are claiming this is an insult and she's "the butt of the joke"...where's the "butt" part exactly? Yes she has a mild form of alopecia (I locked at those Oscar photos closely I can't any any bald patches...so the condition isn't as severe as some people are making out), but that doesn't changed the fact that she voluntarily shaved her head. Saying "A" looks like "B" when there isn't anything wrong/bad about with "B" doesn't mean A has been insulted or made fun of in many way. I’m really glad you mentioned this, because I see it as yet another facet of the whole complicated scenario. Part of the reason I INITIALLY thought the slap MUST have been faked for “entertainment value” was that I clearly remember men going wild over Demi Moore’s super sexy shaved head. The buzz on TV was pretty loud for a good period of time - and was overwhelmingly in favor of her new ‘do. All I heard or read about in magazines for a time was just how “HOT” GI Jane was. The reaction to that character was well beyond the one in response to her role in Striptease, where she was half naked throughout the film! Because of my having seen and heard those rave reviews at the time, my opinion of the “degree of intended insult” likely differs from that of some others. Hell, I would have taken Chris Rock’s joke as a compliment, if I were Jada! I honestly wonder if both Jada AND Will weren’t quite sure how to take it for a second there. There are many factors which affect how we filter what we see and hear. None of us have the same filters, so obviously opinions vary. Regardless, no amount of spin makes Will’s reaction okay. I can’t help but get the feeling that his overreaction was about a hell of a lot more than Chris Rock’s joke. Seems like he snapped and was spring loaded to begin with. I fully expect to hear soon that he’s “checked himself in” somewhere for some type of help, if for nothing other than a PR move. I believe he truly needs help, though. I hadn’t really seen footage of him in some time , and now that I’m looking at recent stuff online, I can’t get over how awful he looks. He has not looked healthy or like himself for a while, in my opinion. It’s shocking. |
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Apr 2, 2022 1:10:59 GMT
And what stood out for me was the bolded sentence. And I thought why should anyone who’s appearance is being made fun of in public This is the issue - he did not "make fun" of her appearance. Jada shaves her head - that's a fact. He didn't say a bald head was in anyway unattractive, bad or wrong. Jada was wearing a dark green dress - he didn't any anything rude or uncomplimentary about her dress. There's an older move that stars Demi Moore, she is a very attractive women, and she has a shaved head because she's in the military being - compared to her is also not an insult. In that movie she plays a women keeping up with men in the military...also nothing insulting there either, people in the armed forces are admired. She's fit and strong in that film. So Chris Rock sees Jada with a shaved head a in a green dress...he gets reminded that movie and says "GI Jane 2 - can't wait to see it" He just said she looks like a specific woman in a promotional poster for a specific film. How is Jada the "butt of a joke" here? he compared her looks to a very attractive (real) woman playing a strong/fit character who defends her country. He didn't call or ugly or dumb or old, the movie wasn't about a stripper or a hooker, or some bimbo. The movie opened at no 1 and Moore got decent reviews. I'm failing to see why people are claiming this is an insult and she's "the butt of the joke"...where's the "butt" part exactly? Yes she has a mild form of alopecia (I locked at those Oscar photos closely I can't any any bald patches...so the condition isn't as severe as some people are making out), but that doesn't changed the fact that she voluntarily shaved her head. Saying "A" looks like "B" when there isn't anything wrong/bad about with "B" doesn't mean A has been insulted or made fun of in many way. That is exactly what I said to be in GI Jane you need to be fit.. very fit!! I said it could well have been a compliments. |
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Apr 2, 2022 1:20:05 GMT
This is what I posted on page 6 of the Oscars thread.. IF Rock knew about the alopecia, he was over the line. (I didn't know...) (ETA: Now I am second guessing myself... Maybe his thought was she can go out and 'kick butt' in any condition) If he did not, referring to her doing 'GI Jane', I would consider it a compliment. You have to really fit to do that kind of movie. |
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Post by nursema on Apr 2, 2022 1:38:00 GMT
I didn’t know Jada has alopecia, either - and once I heard that she does, I paid extra attention when I saw the clips again. I can honestly say I never would have looked at her beautiful head and had any suspicion that she wore her hair in that particular style for any other reason than that she chose that look.
She looks absolutely stunning, and ohhhhh, what I wouldn’t give to be able to wear my hair that way!
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Apr 2, 2022 16:19:37 GMT
Oh you so busted me… This entire time, with ALL my posts, I’ve been secretly trying to protect Jada’s tender, frail, genteel, feminine heart….🙄🙄🙄 Sure, if you isolate a few of my posts (that were in response to specific questions) it certainly may work to fit the point you’re trying to hammer home. HOWEVER, why ignore ALL my other posts where I’ve either posted my opinion and/or further clarified? If I’m saying that I’m not trying to depict her specifically as a victim—why is that so hard to believe? when I say “some women” I’m speaking in general terms. Use the excerpts of my posts that you yourself pulled out—isn’t that clear enough? I don’t feel that the jokes on women l-any women, all women, like that are funny— that doesn’t make them victims, it means that I see it as disparaging, denigrating, to women. It’s MY opinion and how I feel. And yes, pjaye was gaslighting me. And no, it’s not my favored term here. And yes, I was told my opinion was the wrong one. And that some peas panties were in a wad, and that some peas needed to lighten up. How many times on this board have you yourself told women you’ve disagreed with that their opinions are wrong? In political threads alone, probably in the hundreds by now. You keep talking about your concern re women being disparaged and demeaned. That this event “ is just another example of how women are being diminished,” and that your “ opinions are not all anchored on this one instance.” That “ it’s happening everywhere and it needs to stop.” That “ if this crap continues, we will continue to be diminished.” Do you remember calling women on this board: “ complete piece of crap”; “ pathetic human crash and burn”; “ crazy ass fucker”; “ fucking awful human”; “ obviously stupid, feckless moron.” Or how about describing a female public figure you detest as “ a fucking cunt.” Or do you maintain exceptions to this overriding concern of yours? Such as: Your distress over the denigration of women in general is reserved only for those whose opinions you deem valid, and the others whose opinions don’t will just have to accept it? Your words are perfectly fine because they’re not jokes? There’s nothing demeaning about your words because your female targets deserved them in your appraisal? There’s nothing wrong about your words because this is just a tiny public message board? You’re good because you weren’t making fun of women’s appearance? It’s okay because you’re not a man? You’ve asked the questions, “ Where does it stop?” and “ When is it enough?” So, where do you think it should stop? When do you think it’s enough? I won’t argue with you further because it’s pointless. However, for what it’s worth, don’t indulge in this conceit of yours that you care about the tearing down of "women in general" and being disrespected, demeaned, disparaged. By your own measure, you would be found wanting. Yep, I’ve said all these things in the past. I knew that someone would troll my history to make a point. Touché. I certainly was an awful person saying those things, and it’s been a while since I have. And isolating them and the putting them all in one spot as you’ve done—I’d hate me too. I know that there will be people like yourself, who will be invested in bringing up everything I’ve ever said or done here, to show me who I was then. I realize that I’ll forever be known as a horrible person, and not be permitted to express feelings/opinions that differ from what I’ve said in the past. My awfulness will stand still in time and I’m not going to be seen as a person who can change or evolve or be better. My opinions/thoughts on what I felt about this event were the wrong ones, I shouldn’t have tried to project anything other than how I’ve behaved in the past, (who am I fooling, right??) I’ve said some assholian things. I’m human, I react, big emotions. Not to forget having my panties all up in a big wad over my lack of a sense of humor for this kind of stuff. But it certainly doesn’t mean that I cannot try to do better, and evolve—I try to improve and be a better person every day. Do I mess up, yep. I’m human. I have big emotions. My attempts on this topic to express myself (trying to do better) are falling short, as you and Elaine have pointed out I’m a big hypocrite. I suppose that’s true, being that I cannot change what I’ve said in the past. It’s my goal to become someone who can keep their emotions in check, to always be able to speak morally sound, like yourself, to be always consistent and not evolve my feelings and emotions on current events or lessons learned. Big goals, but I’ll hope to eventually get to where those who never make mistakes or have changed thrive. I’m going to keep plowing forward and attempt to make for a better space, which for quite a few months now, has been focused on learning to better supporting women, and long before that, advocating for transgender youth. I’m going to fail, I’m going to mess up, I’m going to be reminded of what a terrible person I’ve been here, I’m not going to travel back and look up every single disparaging comment I’ve made, to put it in context, because that too would be pointless, because I feel like (based your comments) you’re not going to listen to what I’m saying now and—never mind, it’s not worth me trying to explain— Let’s just say you’re absolutely right. I’m a horrible woman not supporting women as I’ve tried to currently present; I’m a feckless hypocrite, and I absolutely needed to be cut off at the knees and taken down quite a few notches. Thank you for that. |
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Apr 2, 2022 16:20:27 GMT
butt of a joke
the butt of a/the joke
The target of a joke; the person or subject being mocked or ridiculed.
My big brother loves to tease me—every time he opens his mouth, I'm the butt of the joke.
No one likes being the butt of a joke, but the best thing to do is just laugh with them.”There is a segment of society that think it’s acceptable for people’s appearance to be made fun of in public. Comedians do it all the time because it makes people laugh. Cheap jokes for cheap laughs. I looked up the definition of “butt of a joke”, because that is what Jada was Sunday night. And what stood out for me was the bolded sentence. And I thought why should anyone who’s appearance is being made fun of in public “just laugh with them”? But the real question is being why was that person put in that position in the first place? Why is that acceptable? I mean seriously what’s funny about making fun of someone’s appearance in public? If any comedian thinks the only way they can be funny is to make fun of other people’s appearance then maybe they should get a new career. IMO. There was no question Will Smith was wrong and he apologized for it. But Chris Rock and other comedians who think it’s ok to make fun of an audience members’s appearance for cheap laughs are wrong as well. So when are Chris Rock and other comedians not only going to apologize for making fun of someone in public but find other ways to be funny? The other day I saw a snippet of a video from way back when. It was the guy who was the original voice of Donald Duck having a conversation with an animated Donald Duck. And both were talking like Donald Duck. Now that was funny. But what is really funny is George Carlin’s routine about stuff. I forget when I first heard it, I mean the guy has been dead for years, but every once in awhile I will look at my stuff and smile thinking of that routine. So it would appear that I will be disagreeing with the gang that thinks what Chris Rock said about Jada Pinkett’s appearance was not only acceptable but funny as well. Because it wasn’t IMO. And no I don’t think Jada was a “victim” in the true sense of the word, I just don’t think she should have been made the butt of the joke for cheap laughs when it came to her hair style. Thank you for this. |
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Post by snowsilver on Apr 2, 2022 17:32:19 GMT
I'm going to say a couple words about this post of Papercrafteradvocate's (well I thought I was copying her post about trying to improve herself, but it didn't attach, but it's the one a couple posts up) I am one of the people she has been pretty hard on since we are diametrically opposed in our political opinions and she has very little ability (it seems) to look at another viewpoint with patience. HOWEVER (and this was a huge shock to me) I once asked for helpwith a recipe for making pumpkin spice lattes. Considering how she has denigrated me and called me names throughout our posting history, she was the LAST person I would have expected help from, but she absolutely came galloping to my rescue. She apparently has some position where she makes them by the gallon and she very generously gave me her fantastic recipe. I remember staring at the post in astonishment thinking it could not have been from HER, but it was. There wasn't a single snide comment in her post--just a very generous desire to be helpful. And I can tell you her recipe was delicious. I thank you again, PCA. I think we all hope to evolve each day into kinder, warmer versions of ourselves. I give her great credit that she is trying to do so. Hats off to you girl, and hugs (that is if you don't mind a few conservative cooties  ). |
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