Help me. Killing babies comments...

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I can't tell quite what you're trying to say. It's the job of the fertile to provide babies for the infertile? It's this literally an argument being made here? An actual Handmaid's Tale? Is this tongue in cheek or serious?

After I commented, I wonder if it js more that the infertile may wish to be pregnant and have a baby and it would be a miracle, while some who do not wish to have a baby would consider being pregnant more a curse.

Fuck you back, you ridiculous fucking bitch. My uterus is not here to provide your "miracle".

If this thread causes issues for the infertile, well I'm sorry about that BUT THIS IS A WAR ON OUR CHOICE. It's not your choice. My body is not your handmaid. I don't particularly care if you think otherwise. Hire a surrogate if that's your mindset.

And I certainly wasn't aiming any comments at anyone trying to be a bitch, which coming from you is quite rich. I literally could not tell if you were serious.

Go eat a bag of dicks, asshole. Now THAT was intentional.

I'm not sad and I'm not trying to hurt anyone and I've never even had words with you that I can recall.

I don't kick people when they're down but sometimes I post the truth and not everyone likes it. Unlike a lot of people here, I say what I feel because I don't care if you or most anyone else likes me.

You are just as much of a bitch, if you count posting your thoughts as being a bitch. Which unfortunately, many here do.

You DIDN'T tell me why it was "real", you just called me a fucking bitch and said everyone knows I'm a fucking bitch. Which I'm quite sure a few people agree with, and most don't, and that statement has no kind of clarifying content so how the fuck am I supposed to know your intent?

You bet I'll double down when you make those kind of insults. You deleted? Should have kept deleting before making it personal with me. Bitch.

It's not that infertility is something we ignore. It's that someone else's infertility is not related to my decision whether or not to continue with a pregnancy. These are separate issues in my mind.

To me, demanding that everyone concerned about this issue also make space for someone else's infertility would be like if I posted on every complaint about aging parents, "Well, at least you HAVE living parents." Which I would not do, because my parents' deaths are unrelated to other people's very real concerns and issues with their own parents.

I also suffer from infertility. One of my personal top reasons to support pro-choice is *because* of my infertility. It's brutal enough to have nature/fate/luck take away my choice to have kids, but to know that the choice has been legislated away as well, from all women? The pain of not having a choice was not a pain that needed to be shared, and there's no miracle in another woman suffering through an unwanted (or dangerous) pregnancy just because I can't get pregnant myself. I'm truthfully just as appalled that you'd use infertility as a weapon to gatekeep reactions to this ruling as I am by the ruling itself.

Is it possible that this thread is not the best one for you to read right now? I'm sure it is very painful. I think walking away from it might be a better response, though, than lashing out at people who fundamentally agree with you.

I'm sorry for what you're going through.

Yeah that could be used if say I was talking to a trumper about what an asshole he is. I can agree to disagree. 

But I cannot be passive about the fact that what's really going to happen is that women are going to either die or be tortured both physically and emotionally if they are forced to bear a child. 

Literally no one is saying that, there is just no reason whatsoever to bring up or argue about infertility on an abortion thread. Separate issues.

My husband and I struggled with unexplained infertility for nearly 10 years before we finally had a viable pregnancy. Im not really understanding how someone else having an abortion or even having the option of an abortion has anything to do with me?

Just because someone has a functioning uterus does not mean they are meant to be incubators for those who want to adopt.

We went through infertility (my husband), and it sucked. I got to see firsthand how difficult it is to adopt (and if you already have a child, as we did, it is not necessarily that easy to even get an older child if you are open, as at least when I went through the process, they wanted you to either have no children in the house or no children under 12 at all or no children younger than the foster child, and my child was three). We did IVF, and I think I came through it with different feelings about the experience of infertility than you did--which isn't to say your feelings aren't valid, because they are, obviously, but is to say I think there isn't a universal experience or takeaway.

I've found it a bit hard to read the threads where people are saying men should all get vasectomies (I think they aren't totally serious but still) because I am a sperm-donor baby after my father couldn't get his vasectomy reversed, and (without knowing that until a few months ago) I always felt out of place in my own home (I think I would have been comforted if someone had just told me my origins from the beginning, but too late--now I have a therapist!). These issues are all super personal and probably hit buttons for all of us.

“Agree to disagree” is me supporting you in your decision, regardless of whether it’s what I would do. Or vice versa.

Acting (or voting) in a way that forces others to adhere to what I would do isn’t.

Exactly. I have twelve embryos on ice and I’m pregnant with one. I’m 25 weeks along. I have every connection to the growing little one in my stomach. Those 12 embryos on ice are legit a clump of cells to me.

Thanks sabrinae