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Post by cindyupnorth on Jun 25, 2022 17:32:49 GMT
And I know I will get the usual flack of, why engage? or why are you around these people? etc. blah blah. It's just the way it is right now in my life. Luckily my dh is totally on board and pro choice. His friends and family are not. I have gotten many comments about, how can you support killing babies? I usually try to explain to them about how it's not just about abortions, etc. I know I don't have to engage, and I know half the time they are doing it to get a rise out of me, which I'm ok with. I'm happy to represent a liberal women up here. But help me with some smart come backs. And yes even pink lady, help me, don't undermine me.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Jun 25, 2022 17:38:52 GMT
Why are they allowing 18 yr olds to kill children, specifically in schools, but in other assorted places with their new AR-15 assault weapons?
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Post by Merge on Jun 25, 2022 17:40:03 GMT
And I know I will get the usual flack of, why engage? or why are you around these people? etc. blah blah. It's just the way it is right now in my life. Luckily my dh is totally on board and pro choice. His friends and family are not. I have gotten many comments about, how can you support killing babies? I usually try to explain to them about how it's not just about abortions, etc. I know I don't have to engage, and I know half the time they are doing it to get a rise out of me, which I'm ok with. I'm happy to represent a liberal women up here. But help me with some smart come backs. And yes even pink lady, help me, don't undermine me. A fetus is not a baby. Do you plan to require fathers to start paying child support from the moment of fertilization? Can I claim my fetus on my taxes? Buy life insurance for it? Why don’t you care about the lives of women and girls? Why don’t you care about the 12 year old who is raped by her uncle, who will now be required to carry that fetus to term in a bunch of states? Why don’t you care about making sure every born child has adequate food, shelter, healthcare, and education? How many foster children have you taken in? There are currently more than 400K waiting for homes. There are lots more. But it all comes down to the fact that our society does but consider a fetus a person in any sense except in forcing a woman to carry it to term. |
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Post by padresfan619 on Jun 25, 2022 17:40:22 GMT
What are they doing to protect children from school shootings?
What are they doing to ensure parents and caregivers are able to have access to formula?
What about family leave? Lactation consultants? Home visits for postpartum people? Access to early childhood education? Hell when is the last time they even offered to throw on a load of laundry or delivered a meal to a new mom without any expectation of being hosted or holding a vulnerable brand new baby?
If it was about babies we’d be living in a utopia where moms weren’t expected to go back to work while still wearing diapers and pads to catch their postpartum bleeding.
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Post by gorgeouskid on Jun 25, 2022 17:54:01 GMT
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Post by littlemama on Jun 25, 2022 17:54:44 GMT
You dont support killing living babies. A fetus is not a living baby. You support women having the same rights to bodily automomy as men.
What is killing babies is free access to guns.Those are living baboes
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Post by keriwest on Jun 25, 2022 18:20:39 GMT
How about, "let's just agree to disagree...we can differ in our opinions and still remain friends and loving family"?
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Post by Merge on Jun 25, 2022 18:38:01 GMT
How about, "let's just agree to disagree...we can differ in our opinions and still remain friends and loving family"? Agree to disagree about my bodily autonomy and that of my daughters? No thank you. Politics is personal. |
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Post by littlemama on Jun 25, 2022 18:38:47 GMT
How about, "let's just agree to disagree...we can differ in our opinions and still remain friends and loving family"? Because asking her why she supports "killing babies" is inflammatory rhetoric. Everyone is entitled to their own opinions about their own bodies. When they begin to impose their opinions on other peoples' bodies, their opinions are invalidated. |
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Post by tara on Jun 25, 2022 18:41:52 GMT
How about, "let's just agree to disagree...we can differ in our opinions and still remain friends and loving family"? What’s wrong with discussing things especially about something as important as abortion. Something that will effect millions of womens health and lives. Without these important discussions things will never change. Without these discussions women couldn’t even vote and the blacks would still be riding in the backs of busses. |
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Post by mollycoddle on Jun 25, 2022 18:59:14 GMT
I generally go with a fetus is not a baby. If you don’t like abortions, then don’t have one, but please make your own decisions and stop meddling in healthcare decisions which frankly are none of your business. Also, people who do not have a uterus should avoid man-splaining.
Of course they want to argue that a fetus is a baby. That’s their belief, not mine. No one is going to change my mind about it. They can yammer all day about killing babies, but that does not make them right.
I am an atheist, so when someone starts talking about god, I put up my hand and say that does not apply to me. That might not work for you. At this point I am generally so irritated that I don’t care if someone gets offended. Disclaimer: This approach does not suit everyone. 😁
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Post by epeanymous on Jun 25, 2022 19:04:10 GMT
I mean, I did IVF, and while I respect people who feel differently about their own experiences, I do not in any way consider the twelve embryos that didn't make it to transfer or the two that were transferred but didn't take "babies."
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Post by freecharlie on Jun 25, 2022 19:27:06 GMT
How about, "let's just agree to disagree...we can differ in our opinions and still remain friends and loving family"? Because asking her why she supports "killing babies" is inflammatory rhetoric. Everyone is entitled to their own opinions about their own bodies. When they begin to impose their opinions on other peoples' bodies, their opinions are invalidated. absolutely. We can agree to disagree on what we would personally do with our own bodies. Nobody should have any say as to what I do with my own body. They can judge me all they want and have an opinion, but that is all. I am so glad I live in a state where abortion is protected and long term birth control is cheered |
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Post by nightnurse on Jun 25, 2022 19:34:19 GMT
Its not about supporting killing babies, it’s about giving another person access to our bodies. They think it’s a baby? Fine. Great. But why do they think that baby has access to my body or organs? In what other circumstances would they support compelling someone to utilize their body to nourish another? What about a born baby that needs a liver? Can the state demand a parent donate part or all of one? I get they are emotionally attached to the idea of babies but why does that end when the babies born? Have they donated a kidney yet? If life is so sacred, why not?
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Post by crazy4scraps on Jun 25, 2022 20:06:17 GMT
I’d be willing to bet that those same people were the ‘my body, my choice’ crowd when everyone was asking them to wear a face mask to prevent the spread of Covid.
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Post by pixiechick on Jun 25, 2022 20:08:03 GMT
I saw this on Facebook:
I'm not pro-murdering babies.
I'm pro-Becky who found out at her 20-week anatomy scan that the infant she had been so excited to bring into this world had developed without life sustaining organs.
I'm pro-Susan who was sexually assaulted on her way home from work, only to come to the horrific realization that her assailant planted his seed in her when she got a positive pregnancy test result a month later.
I'm pro-Theresa who hemorrhaged due to a placental abruption, causing her parents, spouse, and children to have to make the impossible decision on whether to save her or her unborn child.
I'm pro-little Cathy who had her innocence ripped away from her by someone she should have been able to trust and her 11-year-old body isn't mature enough to bear the consequence of that betrayal.
I'm pro-Melissa who's working two jobs just to make ends meet and has to choose between bringing another child into poverty or feeding the children she already has because her spouse walked out on her.
I'm pro-Brittany who realizes that she is in no way financially, emotionally, or physically able to raise a child.
I'm pro-Emily who went through IVF, ending up with SIX viable implanted eggs requiring selective reduction to ensure the safety of her and a SAFE number of fetuses.
I'm pro-Jessica who is FINALLY getting the strength to get away from her physically abusive spouse only to find out that she is carrying the monster's child.
I'm pro-Vanessa who went into her confirmation appointment after YEARS of trying to conceive only to hear silence where there should be a heartbeat.
I'm pro-Lindsay who lost her virginity in her sophomore year with a broken condom and now has to choose whether to be a teenage mom or just a teenager.
I'm pro-Courtney who just found out she's already 13 weeks along, but the egg never made it out of her fallopian tube so either she terminates the pregnancy or risks dying from internal bleeding.
You can argue and say that I'm pro-choice all you want, but the truth is:
I'm pro-life.
Their lives.
Women's lives.
You don't get to pick and choose which scenarios should be accepted. It's not about which stories you don't agree with. It's about fighting for the women in the stories that you do agree with and the CHOICE that was made.
Women's rights are meant to protect ALL women, regardless of their situation!
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Post by Zee on Jun 25, 2022 20:12:24 GMT
You cannot argue with logic so don't try.
I generally just ask them what does it matter to them personally since they would never ever know the difference. It affects them zero percent and women don't need Guardians of the Uterus. And leave it at that. No one is out here advocating for partial birth abortions like they like to spout off about. I'm even ok with term limits (generally, 20 wks) unless the life of the mother is literally endangered.
I don't engage further because if your argument is based in religion then we have nothing to discuss, periodT, end of story.
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Post by Zee on Jun 25, 2022 20:14:44 GMT
I saw this on Facebook: I'm not pro-murdering babies. I'm pro-Becky who found out at her 20-week anatomy scan that the infant she had been so excited to bring into this world had developed without life sustaining organs. I'm pro-Susan who was sexually assaulted on her way home from work, only to come to the horrific realization that her assailant planted his seed in her when she got a positive pregnancy test result a month later. I'm pro-Theresa who hemorrhaged due to a placental abruption, causing her parents, spouse, and children to have to make the impossible decision on whether to save her or her unborn child. I'm pro-little Cathy who had her innocence ripped away from her by someone she should have been able to trust and her 11-year-old body isn't mature enough to bear the consequence of that betrayal. I'm pro-Melissa who's working two jobs just to make ends meet and has to choose between bringing another child into poverty or feeding the children she already has because her spouse walked out on her. I'm pro-Brittany who realizes that she is in no way financially, emotionally, or physically able to raise a child. I'm pro-Emily who went through IVF, ending up with SIX viable implanted eggs requiring selective reduction to ensure the safety of her and a SAFE number of fetuses. I'm pro-Jessica who is FINALLY getting the strength to get away from her physically abusive spouse only to find out that she is carrying the monster's child. I'm pro-Vanessa who went into her confirmation appointment after YEARS of trying to conceive only to hear silence where there should be a heartbeat. I'm pro-Lindsay who lost her virginity in her sophomore year with a broken condom and now has to choose whether to be a teenage mom or just a teenager. I'm pro-Courtney who just found out she's already 13 weeks along, but the egg never made it out of her fallopian tube so either she terminates the pregnancy or risks dying from internal bleeding. You can argue and say that I'm pro-choice all you want, but the truth is: I'm pro-life. Their lives. Women's lives. You don't get to pick and choose which scenarios should be accepted. It's not about which stories you don't agree with. It's about fighting for the women in the stories that you do agree with and the CHOICE that was made. Women's rights are meant to protect ALL women, regardless of their situation! I have seen this post and don't like how it only OKs the victim stories, like she was raped or her husband left her or whatever. How about Kelly, 20, who didn't want to ruin her life because she had an unwanted pregnancy? End of story. |
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Post by epeanymous on Jun 25, 2022 20:20:11 GMT
I saw this on Facebook: I'm not pro-murdering babies. I'm pro-Becky who found out at her 20-week anatomy scan that the infant she had been so excited to bring into this world had developed without life sustaining organs. I'm pro-Susan who was sexually assaulted on her way home from work, only to come to the horrific realization that her assailant planted his seed in her when she got a positive pregnancy test result a month later. I'm pro-Theresa who hemorrhaged due to a placental abruption, causing her parents, spouse, and children to have to make the impossible decision on whether to save her or her unborn child. I'm pro-little Cathy who had her innocence ripped away from her by someone she should have been able to trust and her 11-year-old body isn't mature enough to bear the consequence of that betrayal. I'm pro-Melissa who's working two jobs just to make ends meet and has to choose between bringing another child into poverty or feeding the children she already has because her spouse walked out on her. I'm pro-Brittany who realizes that she is in no way financially, emotionally, or physically able to raise a child. I'm pro-Emily who went through IVF, ending up with SIX viable implanted eggs requiring selective reduction to ensure the safety of her and a SAFE number of fetuses. I'm pro-Jessica who is FINALLY getting the strength to get away from her physically abusive spouse only to find out that she is carrying the monster's child. I'm pro-Vanessa who went into her confirmation appointment after YEARS of trying to conceive only to hear silence where there should be a heartbeat. I'm pro-Lindsay who lost her virginity in her sophomore year with a broken condom and now has to choose whether to be a teenage mom or just a teenager. I'm pro-Courtney who just found out she's already 13 weeks along, but the egg never made it out of her fallopian tube so either she terminates the pregnancy or risks dying from internal bleeding. You can argue and say that I'm pro-choice all you want, but the truth is: I'm pro-life. Their lives. Women's lives. You don't get to pick and choose which scenarios should be accepted. It's not about which stories you don't agree with. It's about fighting for the women in the stories that you do agree with and the CHOICE that was made. Women's rights are meant to protect ALL women, regardless of their situation! I have seen this post and don't like how it only OKs the victim stories, like she was raped or her husband left her or whatever. How about Kelly, 20, who didn't want to ruin her life because she had an unwanted pregnancy? End of story. I mean, Brittany in there is not "financially or emotionally ready to have a child," but I agree that most of those are predicated on the woman's victim hood and for me I don't think of abortion as something reserved or preferred for people in tragic situations. "I am pregnant, and for my own personal reasons, do not wish to be" is plenty for me. The thing that really burns my biscuit about all of this is that the majority of women who have abortions already have kids. They know what it is like! They understand the whole fetus thing! They have decided that it is not a good idea to continue to be pregnant! |
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Post by pixiechick on Jun 25, 2022 20:21:18 GMT
I saw this on Facebook: I'm not pro-murdering babies. I'm pro-Becky who found out at her 20-week anatomy scan that the infant she had been so excited to bring into this world had developed without life sustaining organs. I'm pro-Susan who was sexually assaulted on her way home from work, only to come to the horrific realization that her assailant planted his seed in her when she got a positive pregnancy test result a month later. I'm pro-Theresa who hemorrhaged due to a placental abruption, causing her parents, spouse, and children to have to make the impossible decision on whether to save her or her unborn child. I'm pro-little Cathy who had her innocence ripped away from her by someone she should have been able to trust and her 11-year-old body isn't mature enough to bear the consequence of that betrayal. I'm pro-Melissa who's working two jobs just to make ends meet and has to choose between bringing another child into poverty or feeding the children she already has because her spouse walked out on her. I'm pro-Brittany who realizes that she is in no way financially, emotionally, or physically able to raise a child. I'm pro-Emily who went through IVF, ending up with SIX viable implanted eggs requiring selective reduction to ensure the safety of her and a SAFE number of fetuses. I'm pro-Jessica who is FINALLY getting the strength to get away from her physically abusive spouse only to find out that she is carrying the monster's child. I'm pro-Vanessa who went into her confirmation appointment after YEARS of trying to conceive only to hear silence where there should be a heartbeat. I'm pro-Lindsay who lost her virginity in her sophomore year with a broken condom and now has to choose whether to be a teenage mom or just a teenager. I'm pro-Courtney who just found out she's already 13 weeks along, but the egg never made it out of her fallopian tube so either she terminates the pregnancy or risks dying from internal bleeding. You can argue and say that I'm pro-choice all you want, but the truth is: I'm pro-life. Their lives. Women's lives. You don't get to pick and choose which scenarios should be accepted. It's not about which stories you don't agree with. It's about fighting for the women in the stories that you do agree with and the CHOICE that was made. Women's rights are meant to protect ALL women, regardless of their situation! I have seen this post and don't like how it only OKs the victim stories, like she was raped or her husband left her or whatever. How about Kelly, 20, who didn't want to ruin her life because she had an unwanted pregnancy? End of story. I think "I'm pro-Brittany who realizes that she is in no way financially, emotionally, or physically able to raise a child." and "You don't get to pick and choose which scenarios should be accepted. It's not about which stories you don't agree with. It's about fighting for the women in the stories that you do agree with and the CHOICE that was made. Women's rights are meant to protect ALL women, regardless of their situation!" covers the issue. |
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Post by crazy4scraps on Jun 25, 2022 20:23:25 GMT
I have seen this post and don't like how it only OKs the victim stories, like she was raped or her husband left her or whatever. How about Kelly, 20, who didn't want to ruin her life because she had an unwanted pregnancy? End of story. Exactly 100% right. The reality is, no birth control is 100% perfect. Not even when the person using them is responsible, intelligent and using them correctly. Shit happens and it isn’t always the pregnant person’s fault. |
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Post by cindyupnorth on Jun 25, 2022 20:25:32 GMT
I’d be willing to bet that those same people were the ‘my body, my choice’ crowd when everyone was asking them to wear a face mask to prevent the spread of Covid. Yep, spot on |
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Post by cindyupnorth on Jun 25, 2022 20:27:55 GMT
Exactly 100% right. The reality is, no birth control is 100% perfect. Not even when the person using them is responsible, intelligent and using them correctly. Shit happens and it isn’t always the pregnant person’s fault. Oh, but then those women shouldn't even be having sex, ya know. Even though men can. |
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Post by LiLi on Jun 25, 2022 20:31:50 GMT
How about, "let's just agree to disagree...we can differ in our opinions and still remain friends and loving family"? If someone had the nerve to ask a nasty, question like that, there's no way I am not going to answer in kind... |
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Post by Merge on Jun 25, 2022 20:32:14 GMT
I have seen this post and don't like how it only OKs the victim stories, like she was raped or her husband left her or whatever. How about Kelly, 20, who didn't want to ruin her life because she had an unwanted pregnancy? End of story. Exactly 100% right. The reality is, no birth control is 100% perfect. Not even when the person using them is responsible, intelligent and using them correctly. Shit happens and it isn’t always the pregnant person’s fault. It happens even when you're 28 and married. Ask me how I know! We were able to keep the pregnancy (she's 21 now), but if it had happened a year or two earlier ... it could have gone either way. Of course at that time in Texas, it was no problem to get an abortion if you needed one. |
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Post by Darcy Collins on Jun 25, 2022 20:37:42 GMT
Wow this thread is so painful for anyone living reality of infertility- you think adoption is easy - there’s a reason most adoptions are international- one can support womens right to choose and at the same time say wtf - there’s a whole lot of wtf here - but I get it you’re focused on worst case scenario for you or your kid - it’s alright - your tragedy is our miracle
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Post by crazy4scraps on Jun 25, 2022 20:45:19 GMT
Exactly 100% right. The reality is, no birth control is 100% perfect. Not even when the person using them is responsible, intelligent and using them correctly. Shit happens and it isn’t always the pregnant person’s fault. Oh, but then those women shouldn't even be having sex, ya know. Even though men can. Um, my married niece who is an RN got pregnant twice due to failure of two different types of birth control. I bet her husband would beg to differ on that! She wanted him to get snipped after kid #2 because she learned she had a potentially life threatening blood clotting disorder and had to inject herself with blood thinners while she was pregnant. He didn’t, she got pregnant a third time and he finally went in to have it done when she told him she wasn’t having sex with him anymore until he could prove he was shooting blanks. It’s a good thing he did too because now they live in one of those red states with trigger laws where if she did get pregnant again she wouldn’t have any choice in the matter at all, even though being pregnant would be a huge risk to her health. |
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Post by peatlejuice on Jun 25, 2022 20:48:23 GMT
I generally will simply block and move on if someone attempts to goad me with that type of language, but if you really want to engage, here are some of my thoughts.
Turn it back around: How can they support killing the medically-compromised, elderly, random strangers around them by refusing to wear a simple mask? How can they support the killing of already-born children via their refusal to consider gun control measures? Why is it appropriate to state "my body, my choice", when it applies to body-modifying objects entering your body, but not when it applies to extracting them?
From a religious standpoint: Psalm 75:7 - "But is God who executes judgment...". Matthew 7:1-2 - "Judge not, that you be not judged. For with the judgment you pronounce you will be judged, and with the measure you use it will be measured to you". Yes, this is cherry-picking, but Christians cherry-pick their own Bible regularly. The point, to me, is that God is the judge, and if He has a problem with me supporting bodily autonomy, then I have no doubt that He will judge me accordingly when the time comes.
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Post by scrappinghappy on Jun 25, 2022 20:50:38 GMT
"Do you have sex or masturbate? Well then, those are live sperm and potential babies you are killing. So should there be a law that you can't have sex or masturbate?" And then just STARE at them.
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Post by littlemama on Jun 25, 2022 20:56:32 GMT
I generally will simply block and move on if someone attempts to goad me with that type of language, but if you really want to engage, here are some of my thoughts. Turn it back around: How can they support killing the medically-compromised, elderly, random strangers around them by refusing to wear a simple mask? How can they support the killing of already-born children via their refusal to consider gun control measures? Why is it appropriate to state "my body, my choice", when it applies to body-modifying objects entering your body, but not when it applies to extracting them? From a religious standpoint: Psalm 75:7 - "But is God who executes judgment...". Matthew 7:1-2 - "Judge not, that you be not judged. For with the judgment you pronounce you will be judged, and with the measure you use it will be measured to you". Yes, this is cherry-picking, but Christians cherry-pick their own Bible regularly. The point, to me, is that God is the judge, and if He has a problem with me supporting bodily autonomy, then I have no doubt that He will judge me accordingly when the time comes. I think I love you. |
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