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Post by mikklynn on Jul 12, 2022 10:48:05 GMT
I have Global Entry, which comes with TSA Pre, so they have my fingerprints.
I also had to undergo a criminal background check in order to carry DH's medical cannabis when he gave that a try during his cancer treatment. That seemed ridiculous, since you can't get high from what he had, but otherwise it was a felony here to carry it for him.
I worked in the oil & gas industry. When I'd visit a new project in a refinery for the first time, I had to undergo drug testing and give a thumb print for my entry badge.
I've given up worrying about it!
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Post by peasapie on Jul 12, 2022 11:02:34 GMT
I understand your concern and I actually think at least being aware is a good idea. Fingerprints don’t bother me, and I have the TSA pre check, but we try not to use listening devices (Alexa, audio tv remote, etc) in our home. It’s not about paranoia, it’s an active choice not to freely give our information to data harvesters, who use it to target ads. They can pay me if they want that information.
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Post by mollycoddle on Jul 12, 2022 11:21:50 GMT
I understand your concern and I actually think at least being aware is a good idea. Fingerprints don’t bother me, and I have the TSA pre check, but we try not to use listening devices (Alexa, audio tv remote, etc) in our home. It’s not about paranoia, it’s an active choice not to freely give our information to data harvesters, who use it to target ads. They can pay me if they want that information. Same. I am not interested in having a lot of smart devices that sell my data to try to sell me things. It’s irritating. Plus, as I get older, I am finding that I am not interested in acquiring more stuff. My friends say the same thing, so I wonder if this is a very common feeling. I also realize that a lot of new devices seem to break or malfunction after a relatively short time. I suspect that I have turned into the female version of the old man yelling at clouds. 😁
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Post by Sharon on Jul 12, 2022 11:30:46 GMT
I have Global Entry. I didn't even think anything about the facial recognition or the fingerprints. It was worth it to me for the ease of re-entry.
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Post by Dalai Mama on Jul 12, 2022 12:26:17 GMT
My post-retirement plans for bank robbery were dashed when my brother did the DNA test on ancestry.com. Now I'm going to have to take up beekeeping or something.
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Post by twinsmomfla99 on Jul 12, 2022 13:17:51 GMT
While it would be extremely difficult to change your fingerprints permanently, they do change on a temporary basis at times due to illness or injury. If you had your prints taken during a time when you had a temporary change, your fingerprints would look different at a later date. They might still have enough points to match your "real" fingerprints, but not necessarily. Getting them updated periodically would catch any changes. My mother has to get printed every so many years because she receives some state money as my disabled brother's caregiver. I think it's every five years. One year, they told her she had no prints! It's not uncommon for older people to have trouble getting prints due to changes in skin texture, but she actually had no ridges on two of her fingers. She had been doing a lot of cross-stitching that year for a huge standing nativity scene, and based on the way she held the rough cross-stitch fabric, she thought that might have been why those two fingers were missing their ridges--she had just worn them away. Anyway, she had to go back six months later and get printed again, and this time she had fingerprints. Who know that little old ladies who cross-stitch could look like criminals trying to evade the law LOL.
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Post by lisacharlotte on Jul 12, 2022 13:30:26 GMT
Gaming license. State law requires fingerprints every 6 years. It used to be every 4 years. My current license is the last one I’ll have before I retire. Also, fingerprints are $62 and paid for by the licensee. However the state just made changes to licensing requirements and most of our non-gaming positions no longer need to be licensed. This opens us up to more applicants since the rules to get licensed excluded a lot of people.
To get gaming approved in the state many, many years ago, they put in really strict laws for licensing to assure the populace that we weren’t run by the mob or other criminal enterprises. Gaming still had a bad reputation then. Now they don’t want any casinos to close due to lack of employees. The state gets a shocking amount of money from casinos.
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Post by Merge on Jul 12, 2022 13:45:22 GMT
I have Global Entry. I didn't even think anything about the facial recognition or the fingerprints. It was worth it to me for the ease of re-entry. Same. We have global entry. I also had to be fingerprinted years ago for my teaching license. I draw the line at DNA tests, though. I don’t worry much about government making me the enemy (though perhaps these days I should), but I do worry about our for-profit healthcare system excluding people or raising rates based on genetic predisposition to certain conditions. And I don’t really want any long lost relatives contacting me, either.
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Post by chances on Jul 12, 2022 13:57:45 GMT
Since when does doing something wrong have anything to do with the state targeting those it sees as enemies? Because it means that I'm not an anyone's radar for them to start thinking of me as " the enemy" for anything. That's tinfoil hat stuff. I live in Australia, not China or North Korea. Well, I live in the U.S. where the CIA wiretapped civil rights leaders and those it thought were “radicals” to try to discredit them. Where the department of homeland security, again legally and illegally, surveilled Innocent Muslim people and those it thought were “terrorists”. I doubt anyone who did the genetic test for Family history research thought it would be sold to police databases, but that’s exactly what happened. I won’t pretend to know about Australian history but I doubt your government has a clean record in this area. Do you think repression in other countries happens bc the people prefer it? One day you’re living your life and the next someone sees you or your political beliefs as a threat.
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Post by crimsoncat05 on Jul 12, 2022 14:00:50 GMT
I don't think anyone has my fingerprints... the only thing I had face recognition / location services on was the timeclock app I used when we were working from home, because it HAD to be done like that.
I use location services for maps sometimes, but I try only to do that when I'm using the app. I don't like that my phone keeps tabs on me.
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Post by artbabe on Jul 12, 2022 14:16:29 GMT
I'm a teacher in Ohio so I definitely get fingerprinted every 5 years. If you work with kids, you get fingerprinted. We even do background checks/fingerprints on parents that chaperone school trips. If I want to be employed, then I have to be fingerprinted.
As for facial recognition, you know the government has your driver's license, don't you? They had your face way before they had facial recognition technology.
I always wanted to do a dna test because I'm a genealogy nerd. I guess I should think about it further but I'm pretty sure I'm going to do it.
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Post by scorpeao on Jul 12, 2022 14:25:28 GMT
My job requires an iris scanner to get into a highly secure facility. I am enrolled in live scan as well, and I've been fingerprinted for my job. I am not concerned about it. I don't engage in any shady activities that would make me think my iris fingerprint or my actual fingerprints could be used against me.
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Post by disneypal on Jul 12, 2022 14:36:00 GMT
Who or what has your finger prints or face recognition or some other thing I don't even know about? Do you try to keep anything private or is that not a concern for you? We have to provide our fingerprints for work (government agency). Also, in our state, we have to provide when we get our driver's license. To the best of my memory, that is the only time I have had to provide my fingerprints. Face recognition is only with my iPhone/iPad/Driver's License as far as I know.
To answer your question, honestly, it really isn't a concern for me. I feel my fingerprints could only be used against me (so to speak) if I commit a crime, which I have no intention on doing. However, God forbid, if something were to happen to me and they need to ID me by my fingerprints, they will be able to, which to me is something I would want to be able to have done.
I have submitted my DNA through a genealogy site, but it doesn't bother me that it is out there.
I don't really give it much thought.
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Post by pjaye on Jul 12, 2022 14:58:49 GMT
I doubt anyone who did the genetic test for Family history research thought it would be sold to police databases, but that’s exactly what happened. You are wrong about the genetic testing. I hate that argument "I doubt anyone thought..." YES, some of us did think...and we decided to do it anyway. I've said this before, if my DNA helps catch a relative who is a rapist or a murderer or a terrorist, then good. I'm all for it. Criminals deserve to be caught. If I was that relative who submitted their DNA that got the Golden State Killer caught, I'd be ecstatic about it. If they use my DNA and develop some new drug that helps people - good, I'm all for that too, and if the pharmaceutical industry make billions of dollars from it - I also don't care...because it isn't about the money, if at the end of that road there are real people who benefit, then that's what matters. I can't do the research myself, I don't have the knowledge or skills to develop a new drug, or vaccine or cure for something, but if someone else can do it and my DNA is a part of that process, then I'm happy for that to happen, and no, I don't think I need (nor would I want) any of that money.
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Post by agengr2004 on Jul 12, 2022 15:31:43 GMT
I have to undergo background check with fingerprints every 5 years.
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Post by chances on Jul 12, 2022 17:11:49 GMT
I doubt anyone who did the genetic test for Family history research thought it would be sold to police databases, but that’s exactly what happened. You are wrong about the genetic testing. I hate that argument "I doubt anyone thought..." YES, some of us did think...and we decided to do it anyway. I've said this before, if my DNA helps catch a relative who is a rapist or a murderer or a terrorist, then good. I'm all for it. Criminals deserve to be caught. If I was that relative who submitted their DNA that got the Golden State Killer caught, I'd be ecstatic about it. If they use my DNA and develop some new drug that helps people - good, I'm all for that too, and if the pharmaceutical industry make billions of dollars from it - I also don't care...because it isn't about the money, if at the end of that road there are real people who benefit, then that's what matters. I can't do the research myself, I don't have the knowledge or skills to develop a new drug, or vaccine or cure for something, but if someone else can do it and my DNA is a part of that process, then I'm happy for that to happen, and no, I don't think I need (nor would I want) any of that money. Sounds like a circular argument. You said you did think through your decision before giving dna. I’m also trying to think through how I want to use my biological information. But you said it’s “tinfoil thinking” to consider how the state or others might target me and other potential repercussions.
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Post by papersilly on Jul 12, 2022 17:16:25 GMT
the state has my prints for because of background checks for my accreditation. i'm hoping they have a secure database.
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Post by monklady123 on Jul 12, 2022 19:51:43 GMT
I will admit I skimmed through this thread because I have to go get dinner started... But, why would it be a problem for "the government" to have my fingerprints? I've had fingerprints taken when I joined the Peace Corps, and when I went to work at the State Department, and when I took a job with my county so I could work in the schools, and probably somewhere else along the way that I've forgotten. And if you have a driver's license, never mind a passport, then "the government" has all sorts of information about you.
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Post by hmp on Jul 12, 2022 23:38:11 GMT
I play the harp. My fingerprints change so often I can’t use them to access my phone. It becomes a huge problem when I need to access pediatric and labor & delivery units in the hospital.
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Post by chances on Jul 13, 2022 0:00:57 GMT
I play the harp. My fingerprints change so often I can’t use them to access my phone. It becomes a huge problem when I need to access pediatric and labor & delivery units in the hospital. That’s so interesting. Sorry it’s such a pain in the ass though.
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Post by cmpeter on Jul 13, 2022 0:05:33 GMT
I worked for the Federal Government in college and was finger printed then. I haven't really given it a second thought when getting finger printed since then, figuring that ship has already sailed.
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Post by mrsscrapdiva on Jul 13, 2022 0:12:27 GMT
I've worked in insurance, banks and schools. They all gave my fingerprints. I use and depend of my phone, computer, gps and Alexa daily.
I am not overly concerned, there's no way to avoid it living a modern life.
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Post by mich5481 on Jul 13, 2022 3:42:59 GMT
If they use my DNA and develop some new drug that helps people - good, I'm all for that too, and if the pharmaceutical industry make billions of dollars from it - I also don't care...because it isn't about the money, if at the end of that road there are real people who benefit, then that's what matters. I can't do the research myself, I don't have the knowledge or skills to develop a new drug, or vaccine or cure for something, but if someone else can do it and my DNA is a part of that process, then I'm happy for that to happen, and no, I don't think I need (nor would I want) any of that money. Did you ever read "The Immortal Life of Henrietta Lacks"? Companies have made millions and millions off of her cells, and her children couldn't even get adequate healthcare.
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Post by mich5481 on Jul 13, 2022 3:46:55 GMT
I did genetic testing last year to look for cancer genes (thankfully everything came back negative!), and I was assured that data would remain protected. I have no desire to do a commercial test, where I pay to have my genetic material bought and sold to anyone with a big enough pocketbook. I also have no desire to discover any unknown relatives in my family - I have enough family drama as it is!
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Post by iowgirl on Jul 13, 2022 12:49:27 GMT
I was shocked at how much personal information can be purchased about me. Current address, telephone number, and the names of my parents and siblings and their addresses. Very scary. Any angry person can do what they want. It is available free too. I can find all that info pretty easily for people, without spending a dime. I see a lot of vigilante justice happening on TikTok. There are content creators that go after people who behave badly. They find their workplace and contact employers. They haze that person and post all that info on TikTok so other people go after them too. Some of these people did some pretty crappy stuff, but the vengeance in which people have going after someone is scary. I remember one time, them getting the person wrong. Same name, same city, similar look - wrong person. The TikTok creator immediately took steps to rectify, but the damage was done. I won't do a DNA test though. I draw the line there. I did do a genetic workup for my cancer but I chose the anonymous information sharing option (though that could be breached I suppose) to help with future research. I won't do a DNA test either, but one of my siblings has done it and made it available. I wasn't super happy about this, but what can I do. It was done as a genealogy project, but I feel like my privacy has been breeched because of it, along with my children. I have specifically told them to never submit to a DNA test without a court order. So much for that. If someone at Amazon is listening in to me, they'll be awful bored. Do you have an Alexa device? You can go in and check the voice history. I am surprised sometimes what gets recorded. Most of them are me and Alexa having a little argument though. LOL
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Post by monklady123 on Jul 13, 2022 13:10:05 GMT
Do you have an Alexa device? You can go in and check the voice history. I am surprised sometimes what gets recorded. Most of them are me and Alexa having a little argument though. LOL Lol, I didn't even know we could check that. Ours would be boring also. And I also had an argument with Alexa where I told her she was stupid since she couldn't find the music I was asking for.
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Post by iowgirl on Jul 13, 2022 14:17:22 GMT
Ours would be boring also You'd be surprised sometimes. I have had a short convo with my husband recorded. It was no big shakes, but if you had something sensitive to discuss....shut those puppies down. We also have a family member with a name that sounds close to Alexa. That's fun.
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Post by chitchatgirl on Jul 13, 2022 15:47:21 GMT
In WA we have to do a background check every few years, too. I was more curious about fingerprints since they don’t change (or maybe I’m wrong about that). Same with Oregon. I can't remember if it is 2 or 3, it was changing around the time COVID hit. I don't understand why we have to be fongerprinted repeatedly either, but I need to for work, so I do it. I'm guessing its to make sure you are who your badge says. I could see someone who looks a lot like you steal your identity, and try to get away with impersonating you. If they had to give their fingerprints it would flag that they aren't the person who they are saying they are. So its not really making sure you are you but that someone isn't saying they are you. (hope that made sense)
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Post by pjaye on Jul 13, 2022 16:42:14 GMT
If they use my DNA and develop some new drug that helps people - good, I'm all for that too, and if the pharmaceutical industry make billions of dollars from it - I also don't care...because it isn't about the money, if at the end of that road there are real people who benefit, then that's what matters. I can't do the research myself, I don't have the knowledge or skills to develop a new drug, or vaccine or cure for something, but if someone else can do it and my DNA is a part of that process, then I'm happy for that to happen, and no, I don't think I need (nor would I want) any of that money. Did you ever read "The Immortal Life of Henrietta Lacks"? Companies have made millions and millions off of her cells, and her children couldn't even get adequate healthcare. Yes I've read it, my comment was a reference to that situation. No-one could have predicted what would happen with that cell line. I disagree with some of the family members thinking they should be paid and I would feel the exact same way if that was a cancer they removed from me. I understand how science/medicine/research works and if there was an expectation that people got paid for every bit of tissue surgeons removed, our medical knowledge would be 100 years behind where it is now.
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Post by tracylynn on Jul 13, 2022 16:42:56 GMT
If someone at Amazon is listening in to me, they'll be awful bored. Do you have an Alexa device? You can go in and check the voice history. I am surprised sometimes what gets recorded. Most of them are me and Alexa having a little argument though. LOL Ha! I didn't know that. I might have to go in and see what's there.
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