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Post by librarylady on Jul 17, 2022 18:24:33 GMT
376 officers there and none did anything for 77 minutes. Calling it a cluster is not enough.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Jul 17, 2022 18:32:19 GMT
I just read most of it..
So very sad.
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Post by Just T on Jul 17, 2022 18:54:41 GMT
At first I thought 376 was a typo, then I got on yahoo to check my email and saw the story. Just when you think things can get worse, they do.
I am completely befuddled and disgusted and horrified by this whole situation. How did this even happen?? How in the world could 376 law enforcement officers stand around doing nothing while children were screaming and being murdered??
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Post by scrappinmama on Jul 17, 2022 19:04:44 GMT
It just gets worse and worse. My heart breaks for those families. And I'm furious over the way this was handled. I can't help but wonder if these children were valued more, would that have made a difference. This was a predominately Latino community. And we all know that there are people in this country have a certain disdain for people of color.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2022 19:07:36 GMT
Honest to God I would never have imagined 376 LEO’s there could witness that and hear the screaming and shots. Horrifying
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Post by Merge on Jul 17, 2022 19:19:50 GMT
I read that and was once again horrified. Every level of law enforcement completely failed. Our leaders failed by failing to enact any sort of controls that might have prevented this obviously untrained, unstable young man from purchasing weapons of war. But Ted Cruz thinks the answer is better doors.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Jul 17, 2022 19:54:16 GMT
There were only 6+ Uvalde school officers and about 25 Uvalde officers
All the rest were County, State and Federal....
Just shows how Abbott keeps plenty of fire power at the nearby border!!
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Post by Really Red on Jul 17, 2022 20:29:12 GMT
This is just so very sad. I think the person who made the decision and made the officers stand down should never - not never EVER - have a job in law enforcement again. I think that the LEOs probably are suffering from this decision as well.
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Post by twinks on Jul 17, 2022 20:46:27 GMT
I was hoping that race didn’t enter into this. But knowing it is a border town and 95% of the town is Latino and this is TX, I am not too sure anymore. It makes me sick to my stomach.
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Post by elaine on Jul 17, 2022 21:00:32 GMT
So, 376 TRAINED professional “good guys with guns” couldn't stop one bad guy with a gun?
Huh.
Kind of shoots holes all through that stupid argument against sensible gun control legislation. Or doesn't shoot holes, because the 376 good guys with guns stood around and didn't shoot the bad guy while children were slaughtered because they feared for their lives against one young man’s arsenal.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Jul 17, 2022 21:08:47 GMT
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Post by Dani-Mani on Jul 17, 2022 21:35:44 GMT
Part of the report says:
I wonder what would’ve happened if him and the incredibly small handful of others the report mentions were willing, had engaged on the shooter. Would the other idiots have went with them to provide backup or left them on their own?
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Post by Dani-Mani on Jul 17, 2022 21:43:13 GMT
And why hasn’t Chief Pete Arredondo been charged with 21 deaths yet? The entire report is about how he was the #1 failure. How the hell do you not establish an incident command post and leader? Wtf??
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Post by elaine on Jul 17, 2022 22:07:16 GMT
Part of the report says: I wonder what would’ve happened if him and the incredibly small handful of others the report mentions were willing, had engaged on the shooter. Would the other idiots have went with them to provide backup or left them on their own? As a psychologist, you know what research - starting with Asch ( www.simplypsychology.org/asch-conformity.html ) - says. If only one officer decided to break from the group norm and go in, more would have followed. Which is even more stark evidence why assault rifles need to be banned from the general gun-owning population. If not one in almost 4-freaking-HUNDRED LEO was willing to break ranks to face an assault rifle to save children, then they need to be banned. |
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Post by lizacreates on Jul 17, 2022 22:26:28 GMT
WTH. The last time I saw that many people standing around doing nothing was during a break in a convention.
These are various forces. Who ordered all of them to stand down? Someone must have.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Jul 17, 2022 23:49:13 GMT
Most any senior officer could and should have taken charge! All s/he had to say is, let's go!!
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Jul 18, 2022 0:15:59 GMT
Father of Amerie Jo Garza was removed from the meeting because his name was not on 'the list'
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Post by LiLi on Jul 18, 2022 0:19:26 GMT
376 officers there and none did anything for 77 minutes I guess out of all of those cops, there was NO "Good Guy with a Gun?" Sounds about right. |
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Jul 18, 2022 0:22:11 GMT
Ruiz, the husband of the teachers was ready to go in early on, but they disarmed him and made him leave the hallway in the school. And she one of the ones who bled out on the way to the hospital. (Or so it was reported)
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Post by gizzy on Jul 18, 2022 0:28:25 GMT
376 police officers were there? What? This went on long enough for 376 officers to travel to this location to wait in a hallway?
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Post by pixiechick on Jul 18, 2022 0:35:16 GMT
So, 376 TRAINED professional “good guys with guns” couldn't stop one bad guy with a gun? Huh. Kind of shoots holes all through that stupid argument against sensible gun control legislation. Or doesn't shoot holes, because the 376 good guys with guns stood around and didn't shoot the bad guy while children were slaughtered because they feared for their lives against one young man’s arsenal. These were not good guys with guns. They were useless... I can't even think of a word awful enough for them. |
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Post by elaine on Jul 18, 2022 0:43:40 GMT
So, 376 TRAINED professional “good guys with guns” couldn't stop one bad guy with a gun? Huh. Kind of shoots holes all through that stupid argument against sensible gun control legislation. Or doesn't shoot holes, because the 376 good guys with guns stood around and didn't shoot the bad guy while children were slaughtered because they feared for their lives against one young man’s arsenal. These were not good guys with guns. They were useless... I can't even think of a word awful enough for them. So you don't “back the blue” and understand the “defund the police” movement which advocates channeling money from LEO agencies to fund appropriate mental health agencies where appropriate? |
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Post by pixiechick on Jul 18, 2022 0:53:24 GMT
These were not good guys with guns. They were useless... I can't even think of a word awful enough for them. So you don't “back the blue” and understand the “defund the police” movement which advocates channeling money from LEO agencies to fund appropriate mental health agencies where appropriate? I don't agree with defunding police. And this didn't change my mind, if that's what your asking. Fire every single one of these useless pos that did not go in. And never allow them in law enforcement in ANY capacity, ever again. Not even a desk job, shouldn't even be allowed to be a crossing guard. |
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Post by used2scrap on Jul 18, 2022 2:37:29 GMT
That many who didn’t act isn’t just a lack of leadership problem. That’s systemic failure at local, state, and federal level.
It’s beyond comprehension.
I still cannot fathom that Abbott has the gal to say “it could have been worse.”
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Post by aj2hall on Jul 18, 2022 4:40:18 GMT
This should also end the idea of arming teachers. If 400 armed and trained officers hesitated, what does the NRA crowd expect teachers to do in a highly stressful situation? And the shooter could be one of their students.
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Post by gillyp on Jul 18, 2022 9:59:09 GMT
Every single one who failed to help those children should be made to stand, individually not en masse, in front of the parents and explain why he/she did nothing to save the children.
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Post by maryannscraps on Jul 18, 2022 10:38:30 GMT
So you don't “back the blue” and understand the “defund the police” movement which advocates channeling money from LEO agencies to fund appropriate mental health agencies where appropriate? I don't agree with defunding police. And this didn't change my mind, if that's what your asking. Fire every single one of these useless pos that did not go in. And never allow them in law enforcement in ANY capacity, ever again. Not even a desk job, shouldn't even be allowed to be a crossing guard. Why would these LEO, from so many different levels of policing, be any different from any other LEOs? I think they're probably representative of 476 LEO from any given area of the country. We're fooling ourselves if we think we're going to be protected anywhere. |
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Post by mollycoddle on Jul 18, 2022 11:30:57 GMT
So, 376 TRAINED professional “good guys with guns” couldn't stop one bad guy with a gun? Huh. Kind of shoots holes all through that stupid argument against sensible gun control legislation. Or doesn't shoot holes, because the 376 good guys with guns stood around and didn't shoot the bad guy while children were slaughtered because they feared for their lives against one young man’s arsenal. And yesterday, someone with a legal firearm shot a wanna-be mass murderer. So we can expect right wing media to talk about that and ignore the cluster of Uvalde. It reminds me of that scene in the Wizard of Oz when we hear a voice telling us to ignore the man behind the curtain. Sigh. I don’t know how many people have to die before gun nuts admit that some changes need to happen. Is there even a limit? It’s disgusting. |
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Post by None on Jul 18, 2022 12:15:55 GMT
My God. A cluster fuck doesn't even begin to describe this situation with the police there.
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Post by auntkelly on Jul 18, 2022 13:49:56 GMT
I agree that the police response was horrific. However, as I understand the report, there is a good chance many lives would have been saved (despite the despicable police response) if the broken lock everyone knew about had been fixed and the wifi signal within the school had been stronger.
How tragic that the PE teacher saw the gunman jump the fence, reported it immediately, but teachers may not have been notified immediately. Even worse, a faulty door lock that everyone knew about gave the gunman easy access to his victims. I hope this is a wake-up call to school administrators that we need to take a serious look at basic safety issues and make basic repairs which will keep our teachers and students somewhat safer. I may be dreaming, but I would like to think that state and federal governments will provide funding for these basic repairs.
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