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Post by aj2hall on Aug 25, 2022 22:55:39 GMT
How's this? The Trump administration pressured the Food and Drug Administration to authorize the first COVID-19 vaccines and unproven treatments for political purposes, according to a new report issued Democrats on the House select subcommittee on the coronavirus crisis. Senior administration officials fought for the reauthorization of hydroxychloroquine as a treatment, despite studies finding it was ineffective, and tried to block the FDA from collecting additional safety data for vaccines in a rush to get them out before the 2020 election, reported Politico. The Select Subcommittee’s findings that Trump White House officials deliberately and repeatedly sought to bend FDA’s scientific work on coronavirus treatments and vaccines to the White House’s political will are yet another example of how the prior Administration prioritized politics over public health,” said House Majority Whip Jim Clyburn (D-SC), who also chairs the subcommittee. “These assaults on our nation’s public health institutions undermined the nation’s coronavirus response."*** Former trade adviser Peter Navarro played a central role in these efforts, along with Steven Hatfill, an adjunct virology professor at George Washington University, and the report found they tried to discredit prominent health officials -- including Anthony Fauci, whose email use the pair wanted to investigate just before the election to benefit Donald Trump.*** The report found evidence that Navarro and Hatfill had used a private email server for federal communications, and the Department of Justice has sued Navarro to turn over other emails sent from his personal account related to presidential business.www.rawstory.com/trump-2657925362/What about it? Left leaning opinions and hype. No, not left leaning opinion or hype. FACT. You can have your own opinion, but not your own set of facts. www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/house-panel-says-trump-staffers-pressured-fda-to-authorize-unproven-covid-19-treatmentthehill.com/policy/healthcare/3614533-house-panel-details-trump-pressure-on-fda-for-discredited-covid-treatment-vaccines/www.politico.com/news/2022/08/24/trump-white-house-exerted-pressure-on-fda-for-covid-19-emergency-use-authorizations-house-report-finds-00053428Here's a direct link to the findings coronavirus.house.gov/news/press-releases/clyburn-fda-trump-navarro-hatfill-reportcoronavirus.house.gov/news/press-releases/clyburn-trump-atlas-birx-redfield-herd-immunity-report |
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Post by dawnnikol on Aug 25, 2022 22:56:34 GMT
onelasttime For whatever reason I can never paste the Twitter image, but right now The White House Twitter is calling out the Republicans who posted about not giving handouts for the Student Loan Debt but accepted PPP loan forgiveness. The White House
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Post by aj2hall on Aug 25, 2022 22:59:00 GMT
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Post by aj2hall on Aug 25, 2022 23:01:36 GMT
Their comments were based on what Trump said. Ok he didn’t imply he said it would be released before it went through all three trials. Why would anyone trust a vaccine that didn’t go through the normal trials? Trump said over snd over that it was coming out tested or not. The FDA however didn’t release until it had gone through all the normal trials. I don’t remember what anyone else was saying in 2020 as they hadn’t been voted in yet not that it would have mattered. I wouldn’t take any vaccine based on what a politician said. I wouldn’t trust any politician but would trust those that know snd are responsible for the actual testing of a vaccine. Politicians aren’t drs why would I take medical advice from them? Do you even hear how hypocritical you sound? Ironic that you see hypocrisy where it doesn't exist but fail to see the blatant examples of Republicans hypocrisy, like complaining about loan forgiveness but accepting money from the payroll protection act. $180,000 of hypocrisy from Marjorie Taylor Greene |
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Post by aj2hall on Aug 25, 2022 23:03:43 GMT
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Post by aj2hall on Aug 25, 2022 23:13:50 GMT
She made that comment after it was implied that steps would be skipped to get the vaccine out before it was properly tested. Once it was tested she got it. Trump implied that they were going to bypass a step but the FDA didn’t allow it. It went through all the normal steps but quicker since more money was thrown at it snd we had previous studies to jump off from to make the process faster so the first trial came sooner. I know when Trump first made the comment I was leary to but once it was known that steps weren’t skipped I was all for it. I certainly wouldn’t make my decision one way or another based on any comments from her and can’t imagine anyone else did either. That is flat out bullshit disinformation. Trump implied? Please… Campaign Press Release - FACT: Joe Biden's Anti-Vaccine Rhetoric is Anti-Science and Dangerous for Public Health October 22, 2020 Biden continues to peddle anti-vax conspiracy theories and undermine the public's confidence in the coming coronavirus vaccine. Despite overwhelming testimony from top public health officials that the coronavirus vaccine will be safe and effective, Joe Biden and Kamala Harris are spreading fear, fueling anti-vax conspiracy theories, and actively trying to undermine the public's confidence in a vaccine. July 28, 2020: Joe Biden suggests the coronavirus vaccine won't be "real" and may not be "safe." August 6, 2020: Biden says the vaccine is "not likely to go through all the tests that needs to be and the trials that are needed to be done." September 3, 2020: Biden asks "Who's going to take the shot? Are you going to be the first one to say sign me up?" September 6, 2020: Kamala Harris says "I think that's going to be an issue" when asked if she would get an approved coronavirus vaccine. September 7, 2020: Biden said he would take the coronavirus vaccine "only if we knew all of what went into it. When CNN asked Kamala Harris if she would take the vaccine once it's approved, she refused to answer: "Well, I think that's going to be an issue for all of us. I will say that I would not trust Donald Trump." Comments like these, directly contradicting public health officials, have endangered Americans' public health by severely undermining the public's confidence in the coronavirus vaccine. Again, you're cherry picking and taking things out of context. Biden and Harris both repeated that they trusted scientists, but not Trump. Trump was the one they were questioning and they asked him to not rush or interfere with the process. Your source is a completely biased Trump press release. Here are some more neutral sources and their full statements. www.nbcnews.com/politics/2020-election/biden-demands-trump-let-coronavirus-vaccine-process-happen-free-political-n1235040Former Vice President Joe Biden said Monday that President Donald Trump must allow the coronavirus vaccine development process to play out "free of political pressure" and called on the president to adhere to three rules as scientists rush to develop one.
Dubbing them the "three principles of integrity" in developing a vaccine, Biden, the presumptive Democratic presidential nominee, demanded that Trump allow scientists and public health experts to make decisions on safety and efficacy — not politicians.
"As we enter the height of election season, President Trump should assure us all that the White House will respect the independent authority of the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) to decide, free from political pressure, if the vaccine is safe and effective," Biden said in a statement.
"The White House should not weigh in on these matters or push the FDA to provide emergency authorizations prematurely, as it did for hydroxychloroquine," Biden said. "The President should not 'hype' treatments or vaccines, overstate their results, or undermine confidence in scientific findings."
www.washingtonpost.com/politics/biden-trump-coronavirus-vaccine/2020/09/16/2ffbea6a-f831-11ea-a275-1a2c2d36e1f1_story.htmlBiden said Americans should trust a coronavirus vaccine developed under the Trump administration only if the president gives “honest answers” to questions about its safety, effectiveness and equitable distribution. “I trust vaccines. I trust scientists. But I don’t trust Donald Trump,” Biden said. “And at this point, the American people can’t, either.”
apnews.com/article/election-2020-virus-outbreak-health-delaware-wilmington-c668ece77e1457e5bfbe55cc2e92cbd9WILMINGTON, Del. (AP) — Joe Biden said Wednesday that while he trusts what scientists say about a potential coronavirus vaccine, he doesn’t trust President Donald Trump.
“I trust vaccines, I trust scientists, but I don’t trust Donald Trump,” Biden said, “and at this moment, the American people can’t, either.”Here are President Biden's proposed plans and Trump's. When the vaccine was available after full testing and approved by the FDA, both President Biden and VP Harris were publicly vaccinated. www.npr.org/2020/10/16/919139204/trumps-and-biden-s-plans-on-the-coronavirus-pandemicBiden and Harris were not alone. In September 2020, 62% of Americans were worried the FDA would rush the vaccine because of political pressure. Notably, only 35% of Republicans were worried, so this does not account for conservatives' refusal to get vaccinated months later www.kff.org/coronavirus-covid-19/press-release/poll-most-americans-worry-political-pressure-will-lead-to-premature-approval-of-a-covid-19-vaccine-half-say-they-would-not-get-a-free-vaccine-approved-before-election-day/A significant majority of the people who refused to get vaccinated were conservatives. It's highly unlikely that they refused because of what a Democratic nominee said months before the vaccine was available. Trump's statements on the vaccine contradicted realistic timelines, on multiple occasions. His own administration disagreed. The only way that it could have been ready on Trump's timeline was by skipping steps or cutting corners. His push to have it ready before the election was politically motivated and understandably questionable. www.politico.com/news/2020/09/04/trump-coronavirus-vaccine-october-409248President Donald Trump again suggested that a coronavirus vaccine would “probably” be available in October, contradicting assessments this week by top health officials who have said it would be very unlikely.Trump said in a press briefing Friday that there would be a vaccine “before the end of the year and maybe even before Nov. 1. I think we can probably have it sometime in October.”www.factcheck.org/2020/09/trump-again-overstates-speed-of-covid-19-vaccine-rollout/www.factcheck.org/2020/09/trump-exaggerates-progress-credit-on-future-covid-19-vaccine/www.nbcnews.com/politics/white-house/trump-says-without-evidence-vaccine-could-be-ready-election-day-n1236029www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-trump-vaccine/trump-says-coronavirus-vaccine-possible-before-nov-3-idUSKCN25221QAnd it wasn't just Trump's public statements that concerned people. In private, he was pressuring the FDA. There were leaks and the pressure was reported by multiple outlets. www.politico.com/newsletters/politico-pulse/2022/08/25/inside-trumps-fda-pressure-campaign-00053641The White House also attempted to block the FDA from collecting additional safety data on Covid-19 vaccines, the report said, with the administration hoping to get the shots out before the 2020 election.
www.politico.com/news/2020/04/06/trump-drug-coronavirus-hydroxychloroquine-170543www.politico.com/news/2021/01/19/fda-trump-pressure-coronavirus-vaccine-460402 |
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Post by onelasttime on Aug 25, 2022 23:16:21 GMT
There was a list of Republicans who had ppp loans forgiven floating around on twitter but didn’t share them here because I weren’t sure if it was accurate.
But if these guys says it’s so then it must be…
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Post by onelasttime on Aug 25, 2022 23:17:45 GMT
Some more forgiven loans…
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Post by crazy4scraps on Aug 25, 2022 23:52:17 GMT
I did yes. Why does that matter? You think I don’t know that tens of thousands of children didn’t participate in zoom school during the shutdown? And thousands more put little to no effort into zoom school? You don’t have to work in the school system to know that. Wow. I thought I asked a simple question. Our school system wasn't shut down for more than a few months. That is why I asked. Our kids were back during the next school year. They had a few shut downs in between, but overall most returned. I am currently working with those kids who suffered with learning gaps due to being out (parent decision) or getting sick. I was shocked at how quickly those gaps were filled last year. When you look at graduation rates during a non Covid time, you see many, many kids not putting in any effort even when their bodies are in school. Was it still an awful time? Yes, but no where near the price so many paid with their lives due to a virus that may or may not have a sinister beginning. I tend to get my information on neither left or right wing sources. But just to clarify, you are no longer in the classroom? I ask because I thought kids would have suffered a lot more than I am actually seeing on a day to day basis. Teachers are meeting their kids where they are at and doing an extraordinary job. I agree with you 100%. My kid missed the last few months of 4th grade when the schools were thrown into instant lockdown, but the school did the best they could with the resources they had available. She then did 100% virtual school for the entirety of her 5th grade year. She had an amazing teacher who went way above and beyond for those kids. I made sure DD didn’t miss any of her zoom sessions and that she turned in all of her assigned work. Last year she was back in full time, in person school. When she took all of the standardized tests last year, she was still scoring in the highest percentiles and is doing so well that she will be in every AP class her school offers for her grade this year. My kid definitely didn't miss two years of schooling. Not by a long shot. |
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Post by lindas on Aug 26, 2022 1:09:16 GMT
Some more forgiven loans… What about the democrats? Paul Pelosi, Stacy Abrams, Matt Cartwright, Conor Lamb just to name a few are all tied to businesses that took PPP loans. |
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Post by cindosha on Aug 26, 2022 1:13:41 GMT
That’s exactly what I said. |
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Post by cindosha on Aug 26, 2022 1:14:35 GMT
Do you even hear how hypocritical you sound? Ironic that you see hypocrisy where it doesn't exist but fail to see the blatant examples of Republicans hypocrisy, like complaining about loan forgiveness but accepting money from the payroll protection act. $180,000 of hypocrisy from Marjorie Taylor Greene Deflecting at its finest. You’re a hypocrite. |
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Post by cindosha on Aug 26, 2022 1:16:12 GMT
That is flat out bullshit disinformation. Trump implied? Please… Campaign Press Release - FACT: Joe Biden's Anti-Vaccine Rhetoric is Anti-Science and Dangerous for Public Health October 22, 2020 Biden continues to peddle anti-vax conspiracy theories and undermine the public's confidence in the coming coronavirus vaccine. Despite overwhelming testimony from top public health officials that the coronavirus vaccine will be safe and effective, Joe Biden and Kamala Harris are spreading fear, fueling anti-vax conspiracy theories, and actively trying to undermine the public's confidence in a vaccine. July 28, 2020: Joe Biden suggests the coronavirus vaccine won't be "real" and may not be "safe." August 6, 2020: Biden says the vaccine is "not likely to go through all the tests that needs to be and the trials that are needed to be done." September 3, 2020: Biden asks "Who's going to take the shot? Are you going to be the first one to say sign me up?" September 6, 2020: Kamala Harris says "I think that's going to be an issue" when asked if she would get an approved coronavirus vaccine. September 7, 2020: Biden said he would take the coronavirus vaccine "only if we knew all of what went into it. When CNN asked Kamala Harris if she would take the vaccine once it's approved, she refused to answer: "Well, I think that's going to be an issue for all of us. I will say that I would not trust Donald Trump." Comments like these, directly contradicting public health officials, have endangered Americans' public health by severely undermining the public's confidence in the coronavirus vaccine. Again, you're cherry picking and taking things out of context. Biden and Harris both repeated that they trusted scientists, but not Trump. Trump was the one they were questioning and they asked him to not rush or interfere with the process. Your source is a completely biased Trump press release. Here are some more neutral sources and their full statements. www.nbcnews.com/politics/2020-election/biden-demands-trump-let-coronavirus-vaccine-process-happen-free-political-n1235040Former Vice President Joe Biden said Monday that President Donald Trump must allow the coronavirus vaccine development process to play out "free of political pressure" and called on the president to adhere to three rules as scientists rush to develop one.
Dubbing them the "three principles of integrity" in developing a vaccine, Biden, the presumptive Democratic presidential nominee, demanded that Trump allow scientists and public health experts to make decisions on safety and efficacy — not politicians.
"As we enter the height of election season, President Trump should assure us all that the White House will respect the independent authority of the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) to decide, free from political pressure, if the vaccine is safe and effective," Biden said in a statement.
"The White House should not weigh in on these matters or push the FDA to provide emergency authorizations prematurely, as it did for hydroxychloroquine," Biden said. "The President should not 'hype' treatments or vaccines, overstate their results, or undermine confidence in scientific findings."
www.washingtonpost.com/politics/biden-trump-coronavirus-vaccine/2020/09/16/2ffbea6a-f831-11ea-a275-1a2c2d36e1f1_story.htmlBiden said Americans should trust a coronavirus vaccine developed under the Trump administration only if the president gives “honest answers” to questions about its safety, effectiveness and equitable distribution. “I trust vaccines. I trust scientists. But I don’t trust Donald Trump,” Biden said. “And at this point, the American people can’t, either.”
apnews.com/article/election-2020-virus-outbreak-health-delaware-wilmington-c668ece77e1457e5bfbe55cc2e92cbd9WILMINGTON, Del. (AP) — Joe Biden said Wednesday that while he trusts what scientists say about a potential coronavirus vaccine, he doesn’t trust President Donald Trump.
“I trust vaccines, I trust scientists, but I don’t trust Donald Trump,” Biden said, “and at this moment, the American people can’t, either.”Here are President Biden's proposed plans and Trump's. When the vaccine was available after full testing and approved by the FDA, both President Biden and VP Harris were publicly vaccinated. www.npr.org/2020/10/16/919139204/trumps-and-biden-s-plans-on-the-coronavirus-pandemicBiden and Harris were not alone. In September 2020, 62% of Americans were worried the FDA would rush the vaccine because of political pressure. Notably, only 35% of Republicans were worried, so this does not account for conservatives' refusal to get vaccinated months later www.kff.org/coronavirus-covid-19/press-release/poll-most-americans-worry-political-pressure-will-lead-to-premature-approval-of-a-covid-19-vaccine-half-say-they-would-not-get-a-free-vaccine-approved-before-election-day/A significant majority of the people who refused to get vaccinated were conservatives. It's highly unlikely that they refused because of what a Democratic nominee said months before the vaccine was available. Trump's statements on the vaccine contradicted realistic timelines, on multiple occasions. His own administration disagreed. The only way that it could have been ready on Trump's timeline was by skipping steps or cutting corners. His push to have it ready before the election was politically motivated and understandably questionable. www.politico.com/news/2020/09/04/trump-coronavirus-vaccine-october-409248President Donald Trump again suggested that a coronavirus vaccine would “probably” be available in October, contradicting assessments this week by top health officials who have said it would be very unlikely.Trump said in a press briefing Friday that there would be a vaccine “before the end of the year and maybe even before Nov. 1. I think we can probably have it sometime in October.”www.factcheck.org/2020/09/trump-again-overstates-speed-of-covid-19-vaccine-rollout/www.factcheck.org/2020/09/trump-exaggerates-progress-credit-on-future-covid-19-vaccine/www.nbcnews.com/politics/white-house/trump-says-without-evidence-vaccine-could-be-ready-election-day-n1236029www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-trump-vaccine/trump-says-coronavirus-vaccine-possible-before-nov-3-idUSKCN25221QAnd it wasn't just Trump's public statements that concerned people. In private, he was pressuring the FDA. There were leaks and the pressure was reported by multiple outlets. www.politico.com/newsletters/politico-pulse/2022/08/25/inside-trumps-fda-pressure-campaign-00053641The White House also attempted to block the FDA from collecting additional safety data on Covid-19 vaccines, the report said, with the administration hoping to get the shots out before the 2020 election.
www.politico.com/news/2020/04/06/trump-drug-coronavirus-hydroxychloroquine-170543www.politico.com/news/2021/01/19/fda-trump-pressure-coronavirus-vaccine-460402You’re cherry picking too. Don’t you see that you are? |
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Post by cindosha on Aug 26, 2022 1:21:33 GMT
Wow. I thought I asked a simple question. Our school system wasn't shut down for more than a few months. That is why I asked. Our kids were back during the next school year. They had a few shut downs in between, but overall most returned. I am currently working with those kids who suffered with learning gaps due to being out (parent decision) or getting sick. I was shocked at how quickly those gaps were filled last year. When you look at graduation rates during a non Covid time, you see many, many kids not putting in any effort even when their bodies are in school. Was it still an awful time? Yes, but no where near the price so many paid with their lives due to a virus that may or may not have a sinister beginning. I tend to get my information on neither left or right wing sources. But just to clarify, you are no longer in the classroom? I ask because I thought kids would have suffered a lot more than I am actually seeing on a day to day basis. Teachers are meeting their kids where they are at and doing an extraordinary job. I agree with you 100%. My kid missed the last few months of 4th grade when the schools were thrown into instant lockdown, but the school did the best they could with the resources they had available. She then did 100% virtual school for the entirety of her 5th grade year. She had an amazing teacher who went way above and beyond for those kids. I made sure DD didn’t miss any of her zoom sessions and that she turned in all of her assigned work. Last year she was back in full time, in person school. When she took all of the standardized tests last year, she was still scoring in the highest percentiles and is doing so well that she will be in every AP class her school offers for her grade this year. My kid definitely didn't miss two years of schooling. Not by a long shot. It doesn’t negate the fact that ten of thousands of children DID NOT participate in zoom schooling. Not to mention the children who only got breakfast and lunch BECAUSE they were in school. That went down the toilet for those kids. Because fauci said we needed to shut down the country. |
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Aug 26, 2022 1:25:56 GMT
lindas of course Democrats also had PPP loans forgiven. It is the Republicans who are claiming that the government should not allow students to have 'free' dollars forgiven. So we have pointed out the Republicans who have had large forgiven loans, which BTW are individually were much larger then the $10,000 or $20,000,forgiven student loans.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Aug 26, 2022 1:31:00 GMT
BTW students AND families in our town received lunches, snacks plus, delivered by the school busses as if they were doing the bus routes!!!
I don't know exactly what they received. I do know they received several bags every day.. . Far more then just lunch and a small snack..
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Post by cindosha on Aug 26, 2022 1:31:01 GMT
Some more forgiven loans… You do realize don’t you, that all of those PPP loans as well as all of the billions going to pay off college loans, (the loans every person who took out a college loan signed an agreement to pay back by the way), are going to be taxpayer dollars? This administration is just adding to the trillions in national debt that YOUR tax dollars will have to pay off. Are you okay with that?? I’m not. |
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Post by cindosha on Aug 26, 2022 1:32:53 GMT
BTW students AND families in our town received lunches, snacks plus, delivered by the school busses as if they were doing the bus routes!!! I don't know exactly what they received. I do know they received several bags every day.. . Far more then just lunch and a small snack.. What about students and families in every other town that is not your town. You have no idea what they got. I’m sure there were plenty of kids that went hungry. |
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Post by aj2hall on Aug 26, 2022 1:33:17 GMT
That’s exactly what I said. No, you said it started in the lab |
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Aug 26, 2022 1:33:29 GMT
Actually the debt has been being paid down.
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Post by cindosha on Aug 26, 2022 1:33:50 GMT
lindas of course Democrats also had PPP loans forgiven. It is the Republicans who are claiming that the government should not allow students to have 'free' dollars forgiven. So we have pointed out the Republicans who have had large forgiven loans, which BTW are individually were much larger then the $10,000 or $20,000,forgiven student loans. There are plenty of dems against this too. |
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Post by lindas on Aug 26, 2022 1:34:43 GMT
lindas of course Democrats had ppp loans forgiven. It is the Republicans who are claiming that the government should not allow students to have 'free' dollars forgiven. So we have pointed out the Republicans who have had large forgiven loans, which BTW are individually much larger then the $10,000 or $20,000,forgiven student loans. It’s not just the republicans, several democrats have spoken out against it too. link |
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Aug 26, 2022 1:36:40 GMT
I know...
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Post by aj2hall on Aug 26, 2022 1:39:48 GMT
BTW students AND families in our town received lunches, snacks plus, delivered by the school busses as if they were doing the bus routes!!! I don't know exactly what they received. I do know they received several bags every day.. . Far more then just lunch and a small snack.. What about students and families in every other town that is not your town. You have no idea what they got. I’m sure there were plenty of kids that went hungry. I'm sure there were kids that went hungry during covid. There are kids that are food insecure during school years when schools are open. Many schools did open cafeterias and even delivered meals to families. Considerable efforts were made to feed children and families across the country during the spring of 2020. Schools across the country offered free breakfast and lunches to kids through June 2022. www.nytimes.com/2020/04/19/us/politics/coronavirus-school-meals-relief.htmlwww.fns.usda.gov/meals4kidswww.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/nejmp2005638 |
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Post by aj2hall on Aug 26, 2022 1:42:23 GMT
Some more forgiven loans… You do realize don’t you, that all of those PPP loans as well as all of the billions going to pay off college loans, (the loans every person who took out a college loan signed an agreement to pay back by the way), are going to be taxpayer dollars? This administration is just adding to the trillions in national debt that YOUR tax dollars will have to pay off. Are you okay with that?? I’m not. But you were OK with the trillions of dollars added to the deficit by Trump's tax cuts? Personally, I would rather tax dollars for student loan forgiveness help for low income families vs tax cuts for millionaires that only benefitted the top 10%. Investment in education is something that will pay off, tax cuts for millionaires only benefits them. |
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Post by aj2hall on Aug 26, 2022 1:47:01 GMT
lindas of course Democrats had ppp loans forgiven. It is the Republicans who are claiming that the government should not allow students to have 'free' dollars forgiven. So we have pointed out the Republicans who have had large forgiven loans, which BTW are individually much larger then the $10,000 or $20,000,forgiven student loans. It’s not just the republicans, several democrats have spoken out against it too. linkThe objection is the hypocrisy of Republicans like MTG, Gaetz, Kelly and Hern who personally benefitted from the pay roll protection act then complained about student loan forgiveness. As far as I know, the Democrats objecting did not personally benefit from the pay roll protection act. If they did, shame on them. |
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Post by cindosha on Aug 26, 2022 1:48:22 GMT
Actually the debt has been being paid down. By taxpayers. |
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Post by cindosha on Aug 26, 2022 1:52:13 GMT
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Post by aj2hall on Aug 26, 2022 1:55:13 GMT
So not exactly what you said? We might never know with absolute certainty but the scientific evidence points to the market, not the lab. eta - The article you linked is almost a year old, more information has come out since then. And I dont think you actually read the entire article. from the article you linked In January, the World Health Organization sent a team of international scientists to Wuhan to conduct the first phase of a search for sars-CoV-2’s origins. The group’s report, published in March, ranked a zoonotic spillover—from a bat, through an intermediate animal, to a human—as the most likely origin pathway. They ruled a lab incident as “extremely unlikely,” dedicating just three of more than a hundred pages in the primary report to the theory. As Andersen frequently says when surveying the evidence, “Anything is possible, but I’m interested in what’s plausible.”
and the conclusion The lab leakers tend to be more interested in biosecurity, transparency, and human hubris. They exhibit an admirable drive to follow the money, to upend centralized power, to overturn academic hierarchy, and to expose the injustices of oppressive governments. Some are China hawks. By and large, they have not done virus-hunting field or lab work.
On the natural-origin side, most people have done the kind of field and lab work that the W.I.V. pursued—and are regularly bowled over by nature’s endless diversity. They believe in scientific precedent, as opposed to uncertainties that have yet to be resolved. Many people in this camp have devoted their careers to conservation, biodiversity, and public health, and have been warning about a future pandemic for years. Spillovers most often happen because of land-use change, or human encroachment into previously wild places, which is happening on pretty much the entire planet, but particularly in areas that are developing rapidly, like south China and southeast Asia.
More than one virologist reminded me that nature is the best bioterrorist. It’s far more creative than humans are. With enough time, evolution is capable of anything we can imagine, and everything we can’t. “If you look at a platypus, you can very clearly realize that that’s not something somebody would have designed, right?” Andersen said. “Because it’s too absurd. It’s a bit of a disaster. But it works pretty well.” It occupies its own ecological niche. Some of the notable features of sars-CoV-2, Andersen said, make it “the platypus of coronaviruses.”
Still, humans have changed the equation. Calling viruses zoonotic obscures the role we play in their evolution, whether in the wilderness, a wet market, or a lab. What is an ecological niche when humans have their hands in everything? Nature’s staggering diversity includes human nature. Somehow, sars-CoV-2 found its ecological niche in us. |
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