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Post by crazy4scraps on Jul 23, 2022 16:04:35 GMT
I’m sorry, but if it’s against your beliefs or religion to use birth control, why do you expect everyone else to follow that? Why is it OK to impose your religion, your values, your beliefs on someone else? And if you’re not willing to sell birth control or condoms at a pharmacy, find another job. I agree. If you refuse to perform the *essential functions * of your job, why are you there? It just makes me so mad whenever the assurance that “someone else will fill the prescription” is trotted out. We have seen that there are some stores where no one will provide birth control bc they all have religious objections and there is not an abundance of options in every city. Exactly. The store we go to for our prescriptions typically only has one pharmacist on duty at any given time, so if that person has an objection there is no one else in the store that could do that job at that time. If the Rx was already filled and just waiting for pickup, someone else could ring it up but if it wasn’t already filled that client would have to wait for the next pharmacist to come on duty. There is a sign on the drive up window that there is no pharmacist on duty between certain hours for lunch. I can appreciate where this could be a huge problem in some areas.
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Post by QueenoftheSloths on Jul 23, 2022 16:05:12 GMT
There are multiple incidents that started this, one of which involved a cashier and condoms and others involved pharmacists and prescribed contraceptives. Yes, I see there are other stories. The condoms/cashier made the news here because it is local, and after that is when I started seeing things on social media, etc. I have not checked out any of the other stories to see the dates of the incidents.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Jul 23, 2022 16:08:10 GMT
Better stock up, condoms are 'birth control' so they may be totally banned.
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Post by quiltz on Jul 23, 2022 16:13:46 GMT
The next “Christian persecution” case we’ll see is when stores don’t want to hire Christians any more because they won’t do the job they’re being hired for. What is the definition of a "Christian"? I thought that it was against the law to ask personal questions during a job interview.
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Jul 23, 2022 16:30:35 GMT
Imo, people are getting too hung up on wither or not this occurred in the pharmacy area or at the regular cash registers. They probably have the same policy for all employees—if they have moral or religious objections they can pass the transaction to someone else. I don’t really understand what the point of that is for the person with the objection because it isn’t like they are preventing someone from using the item and how does it make them responsible for any “wrongdoing” but in this instance it sounds like the person made a big deal out of it and made the transaction embarrassing for the customer.
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Post by katlady on Jul 23, 2022 16:33:17 GMT
Walgreens sells a lot of things that probably go against that person’s religious beliefs (alcohol, cigarettes, etc.). Maybe they need to find employment elsewhere? And the clerk should have just quietly called a manager over when he saw the condoms and not make a big deal over it in front of the customer.
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Post by Merge on Jul 23, 2022 16:43:26 GMT
The next “Christian persecution” case we’ll see is when stores don’t want to hire Christians any more because they won’t do the job they’re being hired for. What is the definition of a "Christian"? I thought that it was against the law to ask personal questions during a job interview. Religion doesn't have to come into it. They can simply say, the job includes these duties, including the sale of birth control products, alcohol, etc., to any paying customer. Are you willing and able to perform all of the job duties assigned? Why would they want to hire someone who won't do the job? Religious belief is not a disability; it's a choice. Next thing you know people will be refusing to sell cute lingerie to unmarried women or yoga pants to anyone at all. Where does it end?
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Post by Merge on Jul 23, 2022 16:46:03 GMT
Imo, people are getting too hung up on wither or not this occurred in the pharmacy area or at the regular cash registers. They probably have the same policy for all employees—if they have moral or religious objections they can pass the transaction to someone else. I don’t really understand what the point of that is for the person with the objection because it isn’t like they are preventing someone from using the item and how does it make them responsible for any “wrongdoing” but in this instance it sounds like the person made a big deal out of it and made the transaction embarrassing for the customer. The whole point is to shame the customer and get attention for themselves. The same reason they stand on the street corner with their "god hates _________" signs. Attention.
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Post by peano on Jul 23, 2022 16:53:05 GMT
Religion is going to ruin this country. Religion is going to ruin the world. There I fixed it for you. most of the world's atrocities have been committed in the name of one religion or another. Religion + testosterone.
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Post by lizacreates on Jul 23, 2022 16:56:23 GMT
Federal law mandates that workplaces must accommodate their employees' sincerely held religious beliefs as long as it does not cause undue hardship. So yes Muslims can request to not work with pork (vegetarianism isn't considered a religion, but if your religion precludes consumption of meat, the same standard would apply). There are entire guidelines on how to accommodate different religions need for uniform and grooming modifications. There's been long standing rules regarding pharmacists being able to turn patients over to another pharmacist. As an aside abortion services is the only rotation medical students can refuse. I think giant bins of condoms should be available on every street corner, so think this cashier is a moron, but Walgreen's need to adhere to federal law by allowing another cashier to ring up the patron is probably not going to hit "undue burden" threshold. I think it needs to be clarified that the undue hardship provision is hardship (more than de minimis) applicable to the employer, not the customer. For the customer, sure, there is recourse inasmuch as one could ask for another cashier or another pharmacist, but what if there aren’t any?
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Post by Merge on Jul 23, 2022 16:58:05 GMT
And yes, I get that there are protections under the law for sincerely held religious beliefs. I'm just saying that in a right to work state - the kind Republicans love most - it's very easy for an employer to hugely reduce an employee's shifts if their refusal to perform job functions becomes a burden, without having to prove that burden to anyone.
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Post by pantsonfire on Jul 23, 2022 17:01:44 GMT
Religion is going to ruin this country. Religion is going to ruin the world. There I fixed it for you. most of the world's atrocities have been committed in the name of one religion or another. 100%
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Post by lizacreates on Jul 23, 2022 17:22:38 GMT
And yes, I get that there are protections under the law for sincerely held religious beliefs. I'm just saying that in a right to work state - the kind Republicans love most - it's very easy for an employer to hugely reduce an employee's shifts if their refusal to perform job functions becomes a burden, without having to prove that burden to anyone. There is nothing stopping an employer from resolving the conflict (e.g., assigning a different task or moving the employee to another location). For example, in my Walgreens it’s fairly common for cashiers to also be stocking or manning the photo center. None of these people were tasked to make reproductive decisions for the public, nor were they hired to make moral judgments based on their personal values. Not a single one. I find Walgreens’ explanation to be weak and insufficient. If they continue on this path, then they deserve to be boycotted.
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Post by Merge on Jul 23, 2022 17:34:34 GMT
And yes, I get that there are protections under the law for sincerely held religious beliefs. I'm just saying that in a right to work state - the kind Republicans love most - it's very easy for an employer to hugely reduce an employee's shifts if their refusal to perform job functions becomes a burden, without having to prove that burden to anyone. There is nothing stopping an employer from resolving the conflict (e.g., assigning a different task or moving the employee to another location). For example, in my Walgreens it’s fairly common for cashiers to also be stocking or manning the photo center. None of these people were tasked to make reproductive decisions for the public, nor were they hired to make moral judgments based on their personal values. Not a single one. I find Walgreens’ explanation to be weak and insufficient. If they continue on this path, then they deserve to be boycotted. But how useful is a boycott when federal (and often state) law seems to allow any retail worker to refuse to perform job duties? If I take my prescription from Walgreens to HEB, HEB may be doing the same thing next week.
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Post by crazy4scraps on Jul 23, 2022 17:35:01 GMT
What is the definition of a "Christian"? I thought that it was against the law to ask personal questions during a job interview. Religion doesn't have to come into it. They can simply say, the job includes these duties, including the sale of birth control products, alcohol, etc., to any paying customer. Are you willing and able to perform all of the job duties assigned? Why would they want to hire someone who won't do the job? Religious belief is not a disability; it's a choice. Next thing you know people will be refusing to sell cute lingerie to unmarried women or yoga pants to anyone at all. Where does it end? In the current job climate some employers will hire anyone breathing. I was standing in a Target checkout line once and the person ahead of me had some bacon on the belt along with a bunch of other stuff. The cashier was a lady wearing a hijab and when she got to the person’s bacon she stopped ringing up the stuff and turned on her lane light like to call over a supervisor who came over, rang up the person’s bacon and bagged it. The cashier went back and finished the transaction, but seriously what a complete time wasting hassle not only for the customer but also for the supervisor. As a store manager, I wouldn’t want to hire anyone who would not be willing or able to perform all aspects of the job they were applying for. On the flip side of the coin, I had a job at one point where I was handling a lot of cash as part of my job (think hundreds of thousands of dollars a day running through currency counters). After having the job for about a year, the place changed things around and put the cash handling part in a smaller more secure area that had very poor ventilation / air filtration and it quickly became apparent that I had a sensitivity to air pollution in the form of the paper dust coming off the bills. My doctor suggested not working in that space, but it was literally half of my job description. My boss refused to comply with my doctor’s recommendation and basically told me to work in there when I was scheduled or else. I ended up taking a different job in a different department. This was a little different because the situation changed well after I was hired, but the result was the same. If I couldn’t do the job I was hired to do, I needed find a different one.
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Post by aj2hall on Jul 23, 2022 18:31:48 GMT
A little more to the story. According to the article, there was an incident with a cashier when a couple tried to buy condoms and another incident when a woman tried to refill her birth control prescription. To all of the Republicans who voted no on the contraception bill - stories like these are exactly why the bill is necessary. www.newsweek.com/walgreens-hit-boycott-calls-amid-claims-birth-control-sale-hassles-1725785Also from the article, this information about the company. Walgreens previously said that it would be expanding its "existing travel reimbursement benefits" to help pay for "any medical, surgical, mental or substance abuse benefits" after the Supreme Court eliminated federal abortion rights protections by overturning Roe last month, according to Insider.
However, the company has also donated $496,700 to anti-abortion rights political action committees since 2016, according to an analysis published by Popular Information just after a draft opinion of the decision to overturn federal abortion rights was leaked in May.
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Post by lizacreates on Jul 23, 2022 18:32:03 GMT
There is nothing stopping an employer from resolving the conflict (e.g., assigning a different task or moving the employee to another location). For example, in my Walgreens it’s fairly common for cashiers to also be stocking or manning the photo center. None of these people were tasked to make reproductive decisions for the public, nor were they hired to make moral judgments based on their personal values. Not a single one. I find Walgreens’ explanation to be weak and insufficient. If they continue on this path, then they deserve to be boycotted. But how useful is a boycott when federal (and often state) law seems to allow any retail worker to refuse to perform job duties? If I take my prescription from Walgreens to HEB, HEB may be doing the same thing next week. I realize, of course, that you’re in TX with your state's retrograde reproductive laws, and this sort of religious objection may even be perfectly acceptable to stores. However, generally speaking, boycotts work when they reach sustained critical mass. Walgreens is a publicly traded company with shareholders who may not be thrilled with that. I also want to add that there exists a fundamental misunderstanding that reasonable accommodation is unlimited. Such is not the case. When an employee’s religious objection causes significant difficulty or cost upon the business operation, the employer has every right to reject the accommodation.
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Post by Scrapper100 on Jul 23, 2022 19:15:45 GMT
I can’t imagine taking a job at a place that is going to go against my religious beliefs. If I was against contraceptives I certainly wouldn’t get a job in a pharmacy knowing that it’s going to come up multiple times a day.
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Post by littlemama on Jul 23, 2022 19:31:52 GMT
The job is to fill prescriptions as written by a medical professional. If they are unable to do this, they need to choose another profession. As for the cashier, they should have been reassigned to the front of the store and not been allowed in the pharmacy again. People deserve to receive their medication without judgement from the pharmacy.
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Post by Darcy Collins on Jul 23, 2022 20:54:44 GMT
The job is to fill prescriptions as written by a medical professional. If they are unable to do this, they need to choose another profession. As for the cashier, they should have been reassigned to the front of the store and not been allowed in the pharmacy again. People deserve to receive their medication without judgement from the pharmacy. the cashier had nothing to do with prescriptions that part of the story was about condoms which are not part of the pharmacy
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Post by quiltz on Jul 23, 2022 21:04:17 GMT
What is the definition of a "Christian"? I thought that it was against the law to ask personal questions during a job interview. Religion doesn't have to come into it. They can simply say, the job includes these duties, including the sale of birth control products, alcohol, etc., to any paying customer. Are you willing and able to perform all of the job duties assigned? Why would they want to hire someone who won't do the job? Religious belief is not a disability; it's a choice. Next thing you know people will be refusing to sell cute lingerie to unmarried women or yoga pants to anyone at all. Where does it end? Thanking the lucky stars that I was born in Canada. As former Prime Minister Pierre Trudeau said, “There is no place for the state in the bedrooms of the nation”, in 1967. parli.ca/state-place-bedrooms-nation/
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Post by pantsonfire on Mar 7, 2023 15:31:21 GMT
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Post by christine58 on Mar 7, 2023 16:14:54 GMT
Is there a list somewhere over the 20 states are?
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Post by naby64 on Mar 7, 2023 17:01:47 GMT
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Post by Merge on Mar 7, 2023 18:01:42 GMT
Do any Texas peas know if the HEB pharmacy is going along with this fascist nonsense? I still need to move my prescriptions from Walgreens but am not sure of the best choice.
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Post by christine58 on Mar 7, 2023 18:30:23 GMT
Can’t read it. Behind a paywall
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Post by pantsonfire on Mar 7, 2023 18:44:42 GMT
Can’t read it. Behind a paywall Missouri, Alabama, Alaska, Arkansas, Florida, Georgia, Indiana, Kentucky, Iowa, Louisiana, Montana, Mississippi, North Dakota, Ohio, Oklahoma, South Carolina, South Dakota, Texas, Utah and West Virginia. The list includes several states where abortion remains legal.
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Post by naby64 on Mar 7, 2023 19:01:20 GMT
christine58, how odd. It wasn't behind a paywall when I looked at it and now it is. But pantsonfire got them listed. Thanks!
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Post by mom on Mar 7, 2023 19:10:15 GMT
Do any Texas peas know if the HEB pharmacy is going along with this fascist nonsense? I still need to move my prescriptions from Walgreens but am not sure of the best choice. From what I have heard, it all depends on who the pharmacist that sees the prescription, as to whether or not they will fill it. But as a company, no. I dont think there is a ban on it. Also, have you been following the federal case here in Amarillo? If the judge here sides with the Plaintiffs, mifepristone will be yanked for all markets, immediately. Knowing the judge on this case, I think its very likely that he will side with them.
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Post by nightnurse on Mar 7, 2023 19:12:59 GMT
So can a Jehovah’s Witness become a doctor and refuse to order or perform a blood transfusion? Or is it only sexual health decisions we allow people to impose their religions on? I consider it an “undue hardship” for me to have to wait to fill an rx or get a different cashier. I firmly believe that if your religion precludes you from performing part of your job duties, you should take a different job. But for many people, causing a scene and imposing their will on others is part of the draw.
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