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Post by scrappydo on Aug 13, 2022 23:19:02 GMT
Just saw DL's ig post and I'm trying to understand - she's being sued?? For what?
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Post by pantsonfire on Aug 13, 2022 23:29:39 GMT
Looks like it is business related. Sorry but seriously, why does the AG need to be involved?
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Post by pantsonfire on Aug 13, 2022 23:31:58 GMT
Looks like Gabb funds were to go to the save the kids foundation and they weren't given a share of income.
I don't trust most non profits like his/theirs. Shady stuff goes down.
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Post by pantsonfire on Aug 13, 2022 23:33:27 GMT
Also wonder if she spent more than she should have and now doesn't have their share.
Girl needs to get off social media and put her big girl panties on and take care of business, her mental health, and her kids.
Stop crying foul at everything.
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Post by ScrapbookMyLife on Aug 14, 2022 0:13:31 GMT
He was all about save the kids. She is all about over-share everything on social media. For a couple that presented forth as all into each other...... they sure were on opposite sides of the fence.
I wonder why she was kicked off the board? I wonder why they are suing?
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Post by Night Owl on Aug 14, 2022 0:46:16 GMT
*beep beep honk honk*
I was always skeptical of his savior complex, he seemed to enjoy attention a bit too much. That goes for both of them.
I'll show myself out before I'm thrown out.....
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Post by pantsonfire on Aug 14, 2022 1:08:43 GMT
*beep beep honk honk* I was always skeptical of his savior complex, he seemed to enjoy attention a bit too much. That goes for both of them. I'll show myself out before I'm thrown out..... Totally agree. And for a family that was get the kids off social media, they sure did use them on their social media and she still does to get ahhs and hearts and your so brave comments.
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Post by pantsonfire on Aug 14, 2022 1:37:44 GMT
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Post by pantsonfire on Aug 14, 2022 1:46:46 GMT
Also this has be gut laughing. "Screen free memories." If that was true they wouldn't have the social media jobs they have/had. Lizzy wouldn't be pimping out her kids to make others feel sorry for them to get money. We wouldn't know about first dates or first kiss or baseball or her ugly cries or whatever else she puts out there for the world to see. She wouldn't take out the camera to capture the memory and share it.
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Post by jediannie on Aug 14, 2022 2:06:52 GMT
Misappropriation of funds is what this seem to me to be and DL is trying to pull a trump and point the blame away from her. Just speculation of course. . .
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Post by merry27 on Aug 14, 2022 3:38:19 GMT
I’m sorry but I find DL AND her late husband to be very fake. They have lived their lives posting on social media and over sharing. It’s sad what happened to him but he was very obnoxious and I think he found a niche with his Save The Kids Foundation. He discovered a way to make money. He certainly didn’t practice what he preached- they both use their kids online for money, likes and attention. I feel bad for their kids. She needs to get off IG and quit sharing so much. She seems to need a lot of attention.
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Post by Embri on Aug 14, 2022 5:47:00 GMT
So I don't follow or watch any of these social media folks, nor vloggers nor bloggers of any type. Don't know a thing about this lady. But it gets my goat when adults misuse/exploit their children for profit. And oversharing is psychological abuse in my books, depriving children of any sense of privacy or security within their family unit. Instead every drop of drama gets squeezed for dollars by mommy and/or daddy dearest.
I did not have a good time at school with my social peer group. If I'd had to suffer through being a public persona at home on top of that? Had every detail of my life spread out on a platter for anyone to sample? I doubt I'd have made it to adulthood. Thankfully my parents weren't monsters.
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Post by ScrapbookMyLife on Aug 14, 2022 8:27:24 GMT
I am curious, if anyone knows....
Is the $300,000+ that she collected from her, his, their groupies, fan club, etc... in the days, week, months since his passing.....a part of this foundation. Or are those collected funds separate from the funds of the foundation that her husband established?
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Post by dawnnikol on Aug 14, 2022 10:54:24 GMT
I am curious, if anyone knows.... Is the $300,000+ that she collected from her, his, their groupies, fan club, etc... in the days, week, months since his passing.....a part of this foundation. Or are those collected funds separate from the funds of the foundation that her husband established? I would think since that GFM was set up after his death, it would have zero to do with the non-profit. It sounded like there were funds that Collin misappropriated, and they might be cleaning up and discovered missing funds? I would not be surprised to hear that a non-profit whose goal is to get kids off screens, found great issue with the massive amounts of inappropriate social media posts by DL about her and her children. All speculation, of course. I also assume the foundation got their ducks in a row before booting her and suing.
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Post by pantsonfire on Aug 14, 2022 12:52:32 GMT
I am curious, if anyone knows.... Is the $300,000+ that she collected from her, his, their groupies, fan club, etc... in the days, week, months since his passing.....a part of this foundation. Or are those collected funds separate from the funds of the foundation that her husband established? Separate. But did you all see the update on the GFM? Her SIL said you can ask for a refund because they found a "small life insurance policy." Why did DL not know her dh has one? Did they not talk to each other except for social media crap? Because I have a folder of all of dh's info. Our bank info, cc info, insurance info, our separate savings, his policy info, etc. You know like who we contact and all that. For someone soooooooo committed to her dh and he to her, you'd think they'd have that conversation. 🤷♀️
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Post by dawnnikol on Aug 14, 2022 13:05:30 GMT
Why did DL not know her dh has one? Did they not talk to each other except for social media crap? Because I have a folder of all of dh's info. Our bank info, cc info, insurance info, our separate savings, his policy info, etc. You know like who we contact and all that. For someone soooooooo committed to her dh and he to her, you'd think they'd have that conversation. 🤷♀️ I want to say in the DL thread that we all questioned this and a possible "it could never happen to me/us" situations was proposed. I do wonder if anyone who asked for a refund received one. I assume if it's through GFM, for sure, but if it required DL or her SIL to do it, perhaps not since they seem to live in an alternate reality where being "in need" also aligns with cutting up gift cards because of who sent it to you...
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Post by sleepingbooty on Aug 14, 2022 13:54:16 GMT
There are plenty of red flags with how those statements have been written. That's bad PR and bad publicist 101. Trump-flavoured. No one had heard of this lawsuit to begin with so the sole purpose of these statements is a call for citizen action to flood the AG in an attempt to get the case dismissed. I've noted demeaning and suspicion-inducing language ("that claims to help kids", "we have questions and concerns for the board members", "we don't believe this non-profit is fulfilling its mission", "we are trying to understand if suing Elizabeth Kartchner is proper use of th edonations", etc.) as well as plenty of pathos ("grieving widow" mentioned several times, "a widow and mother of four who is still reeling from a [sic] unspeakable tragedy"). Naming the board members on IG while claiming they don't condone personal attacks is laughabled at best. It serves no other goal than to instigate harassment on social media which is deliciously ironic coming from an adult who claims it is their mission to eradicate online violence and bullying. Apparently, it's gloves and earrings off when it comes to fellow adults! Don't get me started on Emily's "1000% evil" comment. They sure were all very quiet about their concerns over Save the Kids since Collin's passing on social media all this time. It all miraculously came to the surface when the lawsuit came out. How convenient. This good vs evil rhetoric is ridiculous and indicative of the ever-growing break in American society we've witnessed since Trump's 2016 campaign. Don't come pretend you're in it for peace and calm and good vibes when you're playing with fire like this. The words are saying your mindset and your public save-my-arse-by-villainifying-to-the-extreme-to-other-side campaign loud and clear. If AC ever take her back, I won't be buying a single thing no matter how cute the AC designers' stuff for her brand turn out to be. This is vile behaviour. Also, all the Gabb product placement she's done on social media over the years without disclosing Collin's interests with the company is another major red flag on how the truth and facts are always twisted to suit her narrative. This is not the story of Elizabeth trying to save Save the Kids which has led her to becoming the witch they're hunting. Something was amiss before that, when Collin was alive and working, and they're asking for a significant sum in damages for that. Now, who's the American Pea who's going to unearth the lawsuit filing (pretty please)?
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Post by pantsonfire on Aug 14, 2022 14:18:47 GMT
There are plenty of red flags with how those statements have been written. That's bad PR and bad publicist 101. Trump-flavoured. No one had heard of this lawsuit to begin with so the sole purpose of these statements is a call for citizen action to flood the AG in an attempt to get the case dismissed. I've noted demeaning and suspicion-inducing language ("that claims to help kids", "we have questions and concerns for the board members", "we don't believe this non-profit is fulfilling its mission", "we are trying to understand if suing Elizabeth Kartchner is proper use of th edonations", etc.) as well as plenty of pathos ("grieving widow" mentioned several times, "a widow and mother of four who is still reeling from a [sic] unspeakable tragedy"). Naming the board members on IG while claiming they don't condone personal attacks is laughabled at best. It serves no other goal than to instigate harassment on social media which is deliciously ironic coming from an adult who claims it is their mission to eradicate online violence and bullying. Apparently, it's gloves and earrings off when it comes to fellow adults! Don't get me started on Emily's "1000% evil" comment. They sure were all very quiet about their concerns over Save the Kids since Collin's passing on social media all this time. It all miraculously came to the surface when the lawsuit came out. How convenient. This good vs evil rhetoric is ridiculous and indicative of the ever-growing break in American society we've witnessed since Trump's 2016 campaign. Don't come pretend you're in it for peace and calm and good vibes when you're playing with fire like this. The words are saying your mindset and your public save-my-arse-by-villainifying-to-the-extreme-to-other-side campaign loud and clear. If AC ever take her back, I won't be buying a single thing no matter how cute the AC designers' stuff for her brand turn out to be. This is vile behaviour. Also, all the Gabb product placement she's done on social media over the years without disclosing Collin's interests with the company is another major red flag on how the truth and facts are always twisted to suit her narrative. This is not the story of Elizabeth trying to save Save the Kids which has led her to becoming the witch they're hunting. Something was amiss before that, when Collin was alive and working, and they're asking for a significant sum in damages for that. Now, who's the American Pea who's going to unearth the lawsuit filing (pretty please)? Been looking but I can't find anything.
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Post by pinklady on Aug 14, 2022 14:30:48 GMT
Elizabeth and Collin Kartchner are cons. Those poor children are left to be raised by someone who doesn’t have the capacity to parent.
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Post by mom on Aug 14, 2022 15:15:26 GMT
There are plenty of red flags with how those statements have been written. That's bad PR and bad publicist 101. Trump-flavoured. No one had heard of this lawsuit to begin with so the sole purpose of these statements is a call for citizen action to flood the AG in an attempt to get the case dismissed. I've noted demeaning and suspicion-inducing language ("that claims to help kids", "we have questions and concerns for the board members", "we don't believe this non-profit is fulfilling its mission", "we are trying to understand if suing Elizabeth Kartchner is proper use of th edonations", etc.) as well as plenty of pathos ("grieving widow" mentioned several times, "a widow and mother of four who is still reeling from a [sic] unspeakable tragedy"). Naming the board members on IG while claiming they don't condone personal attacks is laughabled at best. It serves no other goal than to instigate harassment on social media which is deliciously ironic coming from an adult who claims it is their mission to eradicate online violence and bullying. Apparently, it's gloves and earrings off when it comes to fellow adults! Don't get me started on Emily's "1000% evil" comment. They sure were all very quiet about their concerns over Save the Kids since Collin's passing on social media all this time. It all miraculously came to the surface when the lawsuit came out. How convenient. This good vs evil rhetoric is ridiculous and indicative of the ever-growing break in American society we've witnessed since Trump's 2016 campaign. Don't come pretend you're in it for peace and calm and good vibes when you're playing with fire like this. The words are saying your mindset and your public save-my-arse-by-villainifying-to-the-extreme-to-other-side campaign loud and clear. If AC ever take her back, I won't be buying a single thing no matter how cute the AC designers' stuff for her brand turn out to be. This is vile behaviour. Also, all the Gabb product placement she's done on social media over the years without disclosing Collin's interests with the company is another major red flag on how the truth and facts are always twisted to suit her narrative. This is not the story of Elizabeth trying to save Save the Kids which has led her to becoming the witch they're hunting. Something was amiss before that, when Collin was alive and working, and they're asking for a significant sum in damages for that. Now, who's the American Pea who's going to unearth the lawsuit filing (pretty please)? Im looking, lol.
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Post by mom on Aug 14, 2022 15:26:37 GMT
The impression I am getting from their posts is that perhaps when Elizabeth was on the Board, she spent funds inappropriately. If it had been Colin, I think they would have sued his estate? I also wonder if Liz was given a notice of suit and she posted all that because I can't find that anything *actually* has been filed against her.
I wonder if the non-profit had to do an audit (non profits who don't bring in a minimal of $1m aren't required to audit, but if they DO bring in $1M a year, a mandatory audit is triggered).
10/2020 - Colin died -- no audit on the previous years financials that I can find.
2021 - 2020 taxes show $1m in donations + mandatory audit triggered.
early 2022 - Also when Liz was forced down (per instagram)
mid 2022 - lawsuit
__all speculation from what the instagram posts posted__
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Post by ScrapbookMyLife on Aug 14, 2022 16:10:22 GMT
I am curious, if anyone knows.... Is the $300,000+ that she collected from her, his, their groupies, fan club, etc... in the days, week, months since his passing.....a part of this foundation. Or are those collected funds separate from the funds of the foundation that her husband established? Separate. But did you all see the update on the GFM? Her SIL said you can ask for a refund because they found a "small life insurance policy." Why did DL not know her dh has one? Did they not talk to each other except for social media crap? Because I have a folder of all of dh's info. Our bank info, cc info, insurance info, our separate savings, his policy info, etc. You know like who we contact and all that. For someone soooooooo committed to her dh and he to her, you'd think they'd have that conversation. 🤷♀️ Their whole relationship seemed to be based on feeding each others ego. They were on opposites sides of the fence in regards to putting themselves and their children online. Who someone who claimed to advocate for children and privacy, it seems his-their theory was "do as I say, not as I do". For a couple who were married, for as many years as they were....you'd think they have their act together in regards to financial and personal business. Even if one person handles the day to day (bill paying, paperwork, filing and storage of important paperwork, budget, etc...) that they would have a monthly or at the very least....a quarterly conversation about finances, budget, bills, the important stuff, etc... Quite honestly, they seem to have been completely disorganized chaotic mess in the responsibility department of marriage. They both present forth as extremely egotistical and arrogant. It will be interesting to see how the whole lawsuit thing plays out, and what the facts are. My guess is....she spent funds unauthorized on what she wanted or deemed appropriate (guessing >> vacation funds), and the board called her on it. She argued back, probably claiming it's within her rights as a grieving widow and owner of the foundation......and they disagreed and ousted her. Perhaps a look at the books or an audit took place, now the board wants the mis-used funds back. I wonder what the truth of the whole matter really is.
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Post by refugeepea on Aug 14, 2022 16:40:26 GMT
All I read was widow, widow, widow, widow. It seems like it would be something significant to go after a widow, widow, widow. Who wants that publicity?
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Post by sleepingbooty on Aug 14, 2022 17:12:28 GMT
The impression I am getting from their posts is that perhaps when Elizabeth was on the Board, she spent funds inappropriately. If it had been Colin, I think they would have sued his estate? "We don't understand how they are claiming the late Collin Kartchner's Gabb affiliate income from years ago as now being intended for them." I thought that meant it was Collin's doing that is leading to the lawsuit. Maybe he negotiated terms with Gabb as a representative for StK and kept the money for himself? This bit has definitely piqued my interest...
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Post by mom on Aug 14, 2022 17:24:38 GMT
The impression I am getting from their posts is that perhaps when Elizabeth was on the Board, she spent funds inappropriately. If it had been Colin, I think they would have sued his estate? "We don't understand how they are claiming the late Collin Kartchner's Gabb affiliate income from years ago as now being intended for them." I thought that meant it was Collin's doing that is leading to the lawsuit. Maybe he negotiated terms with Gabb as a representative for StK and kept the money for himself? This bit has definitely piqued my interest... I mean, it could mean that (that it was Colin's doings) but normally Liz would not be responsible for what Colin did --- only his estate would be, and they aren't suing them (from Liz's post). I will admit, though, the part about them suing her late husbands company makes me wonder if that is what they are using to go after the estate? That would be unusual though. Normally it would be worded as the estate of Colin...The only way I can think Liz would be brought in is if she signs checks or had knowledge of what Colin was doing.
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Post by sleepingbooty on Aug 14, 2022 17:57:05 GMT
"We don't understand how they are claiming the late Collin Kartchner's Gabb affiliate income from years ago as now being intended for them." I thought that meant it was Collin's doing that is leading to the lawsuit. I mean, it could mean that (that it was Colin's doings) but normally Liz would not be responsible for what Colin did --- only his estate would be, and they aren't suing them (from Liz's post). I will admit, though, the part about them suing her late husbands company makes me wonder if that is what they are using to go after the estate? That would be unusual though. Normally it would be worded as the estate of Colin...The only way I can think Liz would be brought in is if she signs checks or had knowledge of what Colin was doing. Whatever's happening, there's definitely an air of scheming with the Mormon couples of former scrap celebrities these days between Lizzy and Becky who's been named in her husband's practice lawsuit. Taking the "for richer and for poorer" part to a whole other level...
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Post by ScrapbookMyLife on Aug 14, 2022 23:08:25 GMT
I googled her name, to see if anything relating to a lawsuit came up.
Her name came up with a "net worth", so I clicked on it. Then googled his name and net worth. Seems that Mr and Mrs Kartchner have done quite nicely for themselves, especially if her ($300,000) grieving widow fund money collected is added to her net worth. I know what's listed online isn't always 100% accurate, but even half of the listed net worth is a nice amount.
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Post by dawnnikol on Aug 15, 2022 0:09:01 GMT
Holy shit, have you checked Save The Kids IG? The Kartchner Defenders are in action. This one stands out: "savethekidsinc M_casper we aren’t deleting messages that aren’t offensive, swearing, or degrading the good people in this organization. Genuine inquiry is welcome because one side of a story isn’t the whole story. Collin did not set up the organization for, or to be controlled by his family. Anyone is welcome to DM us with questions or concerns but we won’t respond to disrespect or bullying." and this one: "savethekidsinc M_casper Indeed it is. Thank you for being respectful and open minded. I think if more people understood what a nonprofit actually is and how it functions, there would be far more clarity on this matter. We have rules we need to follow, and a mission to stand by. That is what we are doing." and: "savethekidsinc @kristen_westover it’s easy to listen to things people are claiming. People can get online and say anything, regardless of whether or not it’s true. But you need to LOOK instead to know the truth. We are sending speakers into schools, continuing the podcast with educational and informative guests, putting up billboards, etc. everything he put in place. Disgruntled statements don’t equal truth. I would be happy to discuss this further if you have questions. Feel free to DM." It gets better "savethekidsinc Our financial and organizational practices are transparent, but that doesn’t mean we aren’t entitled to have a conversation out of public view. Especially out of respect for Collin‘s family." I'm gonna go ahead and say one side of this has some class and tact... the other... not so much.
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Post by marg on Aug 15, 2022 1:50:43 GMT
A few things really annoy me about all of this. One, that the organization is called Saved the Kids. It's too similar to Save the Children, which has been around for a long time and I hope Collin didn't name the organization Save the Kids to capitalize on this and hope that people would donate to his thinking they were donating to Save the Children.
Two, in one of Dear Lizzy's posts (or her friend's, can't remember which) she says that all that the board members care about is money. It's just like invoking the widow thing. It's so easy to throw out there to vilify someone and is ultimately meaningless. While I realize not everyone has good motivations and even some charities, foundations, board members, etc are not necessarily selfless (I work in the industry, and it is indeed an industry), I don't see a small organization like this suing Elizabeth just for the money and being willing to risk not only funds that now have to be spent on legal fees that could be used for their programming instead but also their professional reputations and that of their charity on a baseless lawsuit that is "only about money".
I wouldn't be surprised if it turns out that Elizabeth didn't fully educate herself on the rules and guidelines regarding being a board member or director, etc. of a charity and misused the funds and doesn't understand why it's not her money to do with as she pleases and doesn't want to pay it back, so they're suing her. It may be a grift or it may be that she's just too stupid to understand the difference between personal and charitable money.
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Post by Embri on Aug 15, 2022 3:33:13 GMT
Non-profits *are* all about money. It's not necessarily a bad thing, because it's almost impossible to do any charity work without some kind of capital. To be a registered charity you have to keep detailed records on what donations you get and how that money was spent, and justify those expenditures. Often exhaustively.
If they're going after a former board member, I will put down a bet on there being significant money shenanigans behind the scenes. No charity wants this kind of publicity, so something's forced their hand.
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