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Post by morecowbell on Sept 8, 2022 2:21:47 GMT
and Joe Biden hasn’t been tied to any of Hunter’s past dealings Yes, he has. Tony Bobulinski has testified that he was. |
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Post by onelasttime on Sept 8, 2022 2:31:48 GMT
and Joe Biden hasn’t been tied to any of Hunter’s past dealings Yes, he has. Tony Bobulinski has testified that he was. Anyone who appears on Tucker Carlson’s show is suspect by the very fact that they are appearing on his show. IF YOUR TIME IS SHORT *Tony Bobulinski is a former Navy lieutenant and business partner of Hunter Biden. *In statements and an interview with Fox News host Tucker Carlson, Bobulinski claimed Joe Biden was involved in one of his family’s business ventures with a Chinese oil company. * Credible news organizations have found no evidence to corroborate Bobulinski’s claims about a role in the proposed venture for Joe Biden. Joe Biden’s financial documents show no indication of any income related to the venture.*In the mid-2010s, Hunter Biden was involved in multiple business dealings with Chinese companies. There is no evidence that his father played a role in any of them. PolitiFact…. link |
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Post by myshelly on Sept 8, 2022 2:52:08 GMT
and Joe Biden hasn’t been tied to any of Hunter’s past dealings Yes, he has. Tony Bobulinski has testified that he was. So the allegation is that during the election, when he held no public office and had no authority over anyone, Joe Biden somehow ordered the FBI to cover up for his kid? I’m just trying to figure out how that would even work or make sense? If the allegations are about *Joe* Biden, why don’t you ever say what you’re accusing him of? You just keep talking about the laptop. |
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Sept 8, 2022 3:20:51 GMT
To me this seems like a ploy to continue to discredit the FBI, regardless of what Hunter or Joe Biden actually did.
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Post by aj2hall on Sept 8, 2022 3:23:00 GMT
and Joe Biden hasn’t been tied to any of Hunter’s past dealings Yes, he has. Tony Bobulinski has testified that he was. You're really grasping at straws. False ones. Testified would imply that he gave testimony in a court of law. He went on Fox News. And as onelasttime pointed out, credible news organizations have found no evidence of what he said. And they've looked at Hunter Biden's lap top extensively. Also, there's nothing in Joe Biden's financial documents to indicate he received any income. Even Fox admitted this www.foxnews.com/politics/hunter-biden-tony-bobulinski-joe-biden-unanswered-questionsFox News has reviewed emails from Bobulinski related to the venture — and they don't show that the elder Biden had business dealings with SinoHawk Holdings, or took any payments from them or the Chinese.
Or the Wall Street Journal www.wsj.com/articles/hunter-bidens-ex-business-partner-alleges-father-knew-about-venture-11603421247corporate records reviewed by The Wall Street Journal show no role for Joe Biden
www.nytimes.com/2020/10/25/us/politics/bidens-china.htmlwww.bbc.com/news/world-54553132Amid all the scrutiny, Joe Biden promised last year that if he was elected president, no-one in his family would hold a job or have a business relationship with a foreign corporation or foreign government.
So far, Joe Biden has held that promise. The same cannot be said of Trump's childrens' involvement. |
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Post by lucyg on Sept 8, 2022 14:44:12 GMT
I'm not sure why you're stuck on a potential cover-up. 1. Anything that the FBI might have done happened on Trump's watch 2. So far, the only evidence of a cover-up is Chuck Grassley's letter. If this was a big cover-up and 14 alleged whistleblowers, don't you think someone would have come forward by now? And revealed what happened to someone other than Chuck Grassley? 3. No one except for MAGA Republicans cares about Hunter Biden 4. Joe Biden won the election. Get over it I agree with all of this, other than Chuck Grassley’s letter being “evidence.” It is not. At this point in time, it is merely an allegation, and we have seen no supporting evidence. That, however, does not stop the frothy right wing from insisting the crime of the century has occurred right under our noses. Never mind Trump making off with another country’s nuclear secrets. ETA Tony Bobulinski “testified”? Wow, just wow. |
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Post by Merge on Sept 8, 2022 15:15:02 GMT
I'm not sure why you're stuck on a potential cover-up. 1. Anything that the FBI might have done happened on Trump's watch 2. So far, the only evidence of a cover-up is Chuck Grassley's letter. If this was a big cover-up and 14 alleged whistleblowers, don't you think someone would have come forward by now? And revealed what happened to someone other than Chuck Grassley? 3. No one except for MAGA Republicans cares about Hunter Biden 4. Joe Biden won the election. Get over it I agree with all of this, other than Chuck Grassley’s letter being “evidence.” It is not. At this point in time, it is merely an allegation, and we have seen no supporting evidence. That, however, does not stop the frothy right wing from insisting the crime of the century has occurred right under our noses. Never mind Trump making off with another country’s nuclear secrets. ETA Tony Bobulinski “testified”? Wow, just wow. Was the "testimony" his appearance on Tucker Carlson? Or did he actually testify to this under oath? |
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Post by lucyg on Sept 8, 2022 15:36:20 GMT
I agree with all of this, other than Chuck Grassley’s letter being “evidence.” It is not. At this point in time, it is merely an allegation, and we have seen no supporting evidence. That, however, does not stop the frothy right wing from insisting the crime of the century has occurred right under our noses. Never mind Trump making off with another country’s nuclear secrets. ETA Tony Bobulinski “testified”? Wow, just wow. Was the "testimony" his appearance on Tucker Carlson? Or did he actually testify to this under oath?  Of course he hasn’t “testified” under oath. We’d have heard about it from a more qualified legal authority than morecowbell. |
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Post by Just T on Sept 8, 2022 15:39:44 GMT
Was the "testimony" his appearance on Tucker Carlson? Or did he actually testify to this under oath? Of course he hasn’t “testified” under oath. We’d have heard about it from a more qualified legal authority than morecowbell . Sadly, I know from personal experience that a great many people think that Tucker Carlson is the greatest thing since God when it comes to speaking the truth. LMAO |
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Post by aj2hall on Sept 8, 2022 16:44:41 GMT
I'm not sure why you're stuck on a potential cover-up. 1. Anything that the FBI might have done happened on Trump's watch 2. So far, the only evidence of a cover-up is Chuck Grassley's letter. If this was a big cover-up and 14 alleged whistleblowers, don't you think someone would have come forward by now? And revealed what happened to someone other than Chuck Grassley? 3. No one except for MAGA Republicans cares about Hunter Biden 4. Joe Biden won the election. Get over it I agree with all of this, other than Chuck Grassley’s letter being “evidence.” It is not. At this point in time, it is merely an allegation, and we have seen no supporting evidence. That, however, does not stop the frothy right wing from insisting the crime of the century has occurred right under our noses. Never mind Trump making off with another country’s nuclear secrets. ETA Tony Bobulinski “testified”? Wow, just wow. Excellent point. I changed it, |
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Post by femalebusiness on Sept 8, 2022 18:03:07 GMT
It is hotter than blue blazes here so I have been camping out in my bedroom, the only room with AC. So because of being very tired of Netflix and extreme boredom I have been going back and reading the political threads from before the loser was elected, through his term.
Let me just say that the right wing posts have not held up well and mostly everything the left was saying has come to pass. Everything that the right was saying would never happen, has.
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Post by Merge on Sept 8, 2022 18:08:00 GMT
It is hotter than blue blazes here so I have been camping out in my bedroom, the only room with AC. So because of being very tired of Netflix and extreme boredom I have been going back and reading the political threads from before the loser was elected, through his term. Let me just say that the right wing posts have not held up well and mostly everything the left was saying has come to pass. Everything that the right was saying would never happen, has. |
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Post by femalebusiness on Sept 8, 2022 18:09:47 GMT
Instead of “Her emails” it should be “I told you so”.😂🤣😂🤣
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Post by morecowbell on Sept 21, 2022 20:55:44 GMT
Was the "testimony" his appearance on Tucker Carlson? Or did he actually testify to this under oath? Of course he hasn’t “testified” under oath. We’d have heard about it from a more qualified legal authority than morecowbell . He was interviewed for 5 hours by the FBI |
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Post by onelasttime on Sept 21, 2022 21:06:13 GMT
Of course he hasn’t “testified” under oath. We’d have heard about it from a more qualified legal authority than morecowbell . He was questioned for 5 hours by the FBI From Politifact…. link
“IF YOUR TIME IS SHORT Tony Bobulinski is a former Navy lieutenant and business partner of Hunter Biden. In statements and an interview with Fox News host Tucker Carlson, Bobulinski claimed Joe Biden was involved in one of his family’s business ventures with a Chinese oil company. Credible news organizations have found no evidence to corroborate Bobulinski’s claims about a role in the proposed venture for Joe Biden. Joe Biden’s financial documents show no indication of any income related to the venture. In the mid-2010s, Hunter Biden was involved in multiple business dealings with Chinese companies. There is no evidence that his father played a role in any of them.” Prove otherwise. |
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Post by morecowbell on Sept 21, 2022 21:47:22 GMT
He was questioned for 5 hours by the FBI From Politifact…. link
“IF YOUR TIME IS SHORT Tony Bobulinski is a former Navy lieutenant and business partner of Hunter Biden. In statements and an interview with Fox News host Tucker Carlson, Bobulinski claimed Joe Biden was involved in one of his family’s business ventures with a Chinese oil company. Credible news organizations have found no evidence to corroborate Bobulinski’s claims about a role in the proposed venture for Joe Biden. Joe Biden’s financial documents show no indication of any income related to the venture. In the mid-2010s, Hunter Biden was involved in multiple business dealings with Chinese companies. There is no evidence that his father played a role in any of them.” Prove otherwise. I'm not attempting to "prove" anything to you, I'm just sharing information, so calm down and stop demanding I "prove" anything. The investigation is ongoing so there is no public proof OR debunking at this point. Some things we know. Conversations about not naming Joe and referring to him as "the big guy" were on the laptop and confirmed as real by Bobulinski's email. Bobulinski confirmed that Joe is "the big guy". 150 red flags on Hunter and James Biden's accounts are being investigated. CBS |
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Sept 21, 2022 22:12:49 GMT
I really really don’t understand the obsession with this bloody laptop! Hunter Biden has never held office and any supposed scandal seems to relate to a time when his father didn’t hold office either. (From what I can tell - but then I’m not American). So why is this even a thing? And why is it dredged up every time your actual criminal ex-president's actual illegal activities are in the news? Because if the FBI worked to cover bad information for the good of one candidate, many Americans want to know that. Not like Barr covered up for former... Mueller report et al!! |
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Sept 21, 2022 22:19:20 GMT
Keep it ethical and relevant. I honestly don't give a shit about Hunter Biden just as I didn't give a shit about any of the Trump kids until they were given government jobs. If the FBI worked to cover bad information for the good of one candidate, wouldn't you want to know? Worse yet kavanaugh for sure... Proven too!! |
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Post by scorpeao on Sept 21, 2022 22:20:58 GMT
This is where liberals differ from conservatives....if you act in an unethical manner, most liberals aren't going to be on your side.
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Post by onelasttime on Sept 21, 2022 22:26:33 GMT
From Politifact…. link
“IF YOUR TIME IS SHORT Tony Bobulinski is a former Navy lieutenant and business partner of Hunter Biden. In statements and an interview with Fox News host Tucker Carlson, Bobulinski claimed Joe Biden was involved in one of his family’s business ventures with a Chinese oil company. Credible news organizations have found no evidence to corroborate Bobulinski’s claims about a role in the proposed venture for Joe Biden. Joe Biden’s financial documents show no indication of any income related to the venture. In the mid-2010s, Hunter Biden was involved in multiple business dealings with Chinese companies. There is no evidence that his father played a role in any of them.” Prove otherwise. I'm not attempting to "prove" anything to you, I'm just sharing information, so calm down and stop demanding I "prove" anything. The investigation is ongoing so there is no public proof OR debunking at this point. Some things we know. Conversations about not naming Joe and referring to him as "the big guy" were on the laptop and confirmed as real by Bobulinski's email. Bobulinski confirmed that Joe is "the big guy". 150 red flags on Hunter and James Biden's accounts are being investigated. CBSYou’re funny. Problem is something called “chain of custody”. On the laptop thread yesterday or the day before I posted a letter to the editor that a guy wrote that pretty much describes how that would affect the laptop and information on it. Check it out. To answer your original question. Back in 2016 James Comey released the letter about nothing 11 days before the election. It turned out to be much ado about nothing. However at the time Hillary was leading comfortably in the polls. Once that letter was released her poll numbers tanked per FiveThirtyEight. They started to recover but the damage was done. A very strong argument could be made that the letter about nothing influenced the election in trump’s favor. Fast forward to 2020 and Hunter Biden’s laptop that has a questionable chain of custody which influences what contents can be used as admissible evidence. Learning from the debacle of the Comey letter of 2016 maybe a big deal was not made of Hunter’s laptop during the time running up to the election was because of the questionable chain in custody. That is just my opinion. But it kind of make sense. Hunter Biden is being investigated and no one is hiding that. But the reason people on the right are hyperventilating about the laptop is because they think they can “get” President Biden and they don’t care if the “evidence” is valid or not. ETA. Here you go… Hunter Biden is currently being investigated for tax evasion and I think something else. But for some Republicans that’s not good enough and they are focused on that laptop while ignoring the elephant in the room when it comes to that laptop and the information on it. That elephant is “Chain of Custody”. I was going to bring over the definition of Chain of Custody but found this Letter to the Editor in a Chico Newspaper from April of this year. “ The conspiracy wing of the Republican Party is placing a lot of stock on the contents of the Hunter Biden Laptop (“If Thomas must recuse himself …”, Thiessen Commentary, E-R April 9th).
A Chain of Evidence (aka Chain of Custody) is a process and record that shows who obtained the evidence; where and when the evidence was obtained; who secured the evidence; and who had control or possession of the evidence.Among the chain of custody holders of the Hunter Biden Laptop include: an unidentified individual who turned the laptop into a Delaware computer repair shop in 2019; the proprietor of that shop (John Paul Mac Isaac, a legally blind Republican Party loyalist); Rudy Giuliani (who lost his license to practice law in New York for “betraying his professional oath by peddling ‘false and misleading’ claims about the 2020 election”); Steve Bannon (who escaped a felony conviction for fraud only through Presidential pardon and is currently on trial for Contempt of Congress); and the New York Post (rated on the far end of ‘Right-Center Biased’ due to story selection that typically favors the Right and Mixed – i.e., borderline questionable – for factual reporting based on several failed fact checks).In that proving that an item has been properly handled through an unbroken chain of custody is required for it to be legally considered as evidence in court, I’d say that any information obtained from the Hunter Biden Laptop is very possibly seriously tainted and would be thrown out.”
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Post by femalebusiness on Sept 22, 2022 0:10:10 GMT
Well, the cow is at it again😂. Hunter Biden's lap top. Good lord this person is demented.
If conservatives actually had a point they'd post it. Instead they just post stupid stuff and never answer even one question or give one opinion on the illegal things trump does. That is pure cowardice.
Hey cow answer these questions…
How do you feel about a First Lady who has her naked vulva spread all over the Internet? Maybe we should use that picture for her official White House portrait.
How do you feel about your orange lover screwing little people out of the money legitimately owed to them for work they have done?
How do you feel about trump using donations from his suck ups to line his own pockets?
How do you feel about all of the top secret documents found in that orange psycho's residence?
How about the threat to our national security that is now very much in play?
And what about Ivanka and Jared being in his administration when Jared couldn't even get a security clearance?
How about the 2 billion that Jared got from the Saudis? What exactly are your thoughts on that? And what about the millions they got from China?
Then there is his lust for his daughter Ivanka and his sick obsession with her body.
What is your opinion on the insurrectionists who stormed the capital while their orange god egged them on?
How about the gallows they wanted to hang Mike Pence from?
What do you think about your hero lying about Obama's birth and religion, not born here, muslim?
You don't have the integrity to address these issues. If you actually do respond to any of these questions I have another list for you. If you won't reply then you are exactly who the people on this board see you for.
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Post by guzismom on Sept 22, 2022 0:48:06 GMT
I really really don’t understand the obsession with this bloody laptop! Hunter Biden has never held office and any supposed scandal seems to relate to a time when his father didn’t hold office either. (From what I can tell - but then I’m not American). So why is this even a thing? And why is it dredged up every time your actual criminal ex-president's actual illegal activities are in the news? Because they’re pathetic, desperate losers grasping at straws in the hope of reinstating their fascist cult leader. ding, ding, ding, ding, ding....we have a winner!!  |
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Post by morecowbell on Sept 22, 2022 11:01:29 GMT
I'm not attempting to "prove" anything to you, I'm just sharing information, so calm down and stop demanding I "prove" anything. The investigation is ongoing so there is no public proof OR debunking at this point. Some things we know. Conversations about not naming Joe and referring to him as "the big guy" were on the laptop and confirmed as real by Bobulinski's email. Bobulinski confirmed that Joe is "the big guy". 150 red flags on Hunter and James Biden's accounts are being investigated. CBSYou’re funny. Problem is something called “chain of custody”. On the laptop thread yesterday or the day before I posted a letter to the editor that a guy wrote that pretty much describes how that would affect the laptop and information on it. Check it out. To answer your original question. Back in 2016 James Comey released the letter about nothing 11 days before the election. It turned out to be much ado about nothing. However at the time Hillary was leading comfortably in the polls. Once that letter was released her poll numbers tanked per FiveThirtyEight. They started to recover but the damage was done. A very strong argument could be made that the letter about nothing influenced the election in trump’s favor. Fast forward to 2020 and Hunter Biden’s laptop that has a questionable chain of custody which influences what contents can be used as admissible evidence. Learning from the debacle of the Comey letter of 2016 maybe a big deal was not made of Hunter’s laptop during the time running up to the election was because of the questionable chain in custody. That is just my opinion. But it kind of make sense. Hunter Biden is being investigated and no one is hiding that. But the reason people on the right are hyperventilating about the laptop is because they think they can “get” President Biden and they don’t care if the “evidence” is valid or not. ETA. Here you go… Hunter Biden is currently being investigated for tax evasion and I think something else. But for some Republicans that’s not good enough and they are focused on that laptop while ignoring the elephant in the room when it comes to that laptop and the information on it. That elephant is “Chain of Custody”. I was going to bring over the definition of Chain of Custody but found this Letter to the Editor in a Chico Newspaper from April of this year. “ The conspiracy wing of the Republican Party is placing a lot of stock on the contents of the Hunter Biden Laptop (“If Thomas must recuse himself …”, Thiessen Commentary, E-R April 9th).
A Chain of Evidence (aka Chain of Custody) is a process and record that shows who obtained the evidence; where and when the evidence was obtained; who secured the evidence; and who had control or possession of the evidence.Among the chain of custody holders of the Hunter Biden Laptop include: an unidentified individual who turned the laptop into a Delaware computer repair shop in 2019; the proprietor of that shop (John Paul Mac Isaac, a legally blind Republican Party loyalist); Rudy Giuliani (who lost his license to practice law in New York for “betraying his professional oath by peddling ‘false and misleading’ claims about the 2020 election”); Steve Bannon (who escaped a felony conviction for fraud only through Presidential pardon and is currently on trial for Contempt of Congress); and the New York Post (rated on the far end of ‘Right-Center Biased’ due to story selection that typically favors the Right and Mixed – i.e., borderline questionable – for factual reporting based on several failed fact checks).In that proving that an item has been properly handled through an unbroken chain of custody is required for it to be legally considered as evidence in court, I’d say that any information obtained from the Hunter Biden Laptop is very possibly seriously tainted and would be thrown out.”
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Post by sabrinae on Sept 22, 2022 12:40:59 GMT
Maybe or maybe not. It depends on what was actually done with the computer. You also need an accurate and dependable timeline about when the computer was dropped off. There doesn’t seem to be one here that I’ve seen and a way to authenticate legally that it is Hunter Biden’s and who else had access to the the computer. Add in the computer being passed around Republicans circles without any efforts to secure it and ensure that tampering did t occur. That computer is trash as far as evidence for any prosecution.
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Post by Merge on Sept 22, 2022 12:59:03 GMT
That’s a lot of mental gymnastics to convince yourself that you did the right thing by voting for Trump for a second term.
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Post by morecowbell on Sept 22, 2022 13:31:56 GMT
Maybe or maybe not. It depends on what was actually done with the computer. You also need an accurate and dependable timeline about when the computer was dropped off. There doesn’t seem to be one here that I’ve seen and a way to authenticate legally that it is Hunter Biden’s and who else had access to the the computer. Add in the computer being passed around Republicans circles without any efforts to secure it and ensure that tampering did t occur. That computer is trash as far as evidence for any prosecution. There is a dated, signed receipt for the dropped off laptop. The laptop was given to the FBI. Only a copy of the hard drive was given to Rudy Giuliani. |
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Post by onelasttime on Sept 22, 2022 14:09:43 GMT
Maybe or maybe not. It depends on what was actually done with the computer. You also need an accurate and dependable timeline about when the computer was dropped off. There doesn’t seem to be one here that I’ve seen and a way to authenticate legally that it is Hunter Biden’s and who else had access to the the computer. Add in the computer being passed around Republicans circles without any efforts to secure it and ensure that tampering did t occur. That computer is trash as far as evidence for any prosecution. There is a dated, signed receipt for the dropped off laptop. The laptop was given to the FBI. Only a copy of the hard drive was given to Rudy Giuliani. So? That dated signed release does not “tell” where or who had access to the laptop before it was dropped off and after it was dropped off. In order to use whatever there is on the laptop as evidence in court there would have to be collaborating evidence. |
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Post by morecowbell on Sept 22, 2022 14:17:09 GMT
There is a dated, signed receipt for the dropped off laptop. The laptop was given to the FBI. Only a copy of the hard drive was given to Rudy Giuliani. So? That dated signed release does not “tell” where or who had access to the laptop before it was dropped off and after it was dropped off. No one said it did. It was referring to "You also need an accurate and dependable timeline about when the computer was dropped off." That's where Tony Bobulinski's emails and computer forensics come in. |
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Post by crimsoncat05 on Sept 22, 2022 14:39:31 GMT
September 8th... then nothing until late on Sept 21st. WHY is it that these threads die, then get resurrected?!? WHY?!?!? where do you go? Were you on vacation without internet, and just got back into town, or what? JUST LET IT GO, ALREADY!!!
I know, I'm responding to this thread myself, so I'm not helping anything. I don't expect, or even want, an answer... just my observation that it is a VERY ANNOYING modus operandi.
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Post by onelasttime on Sept 22, 2022 14:40:09 GMT
So? That dated signed release does not “tell” where or who had access to the laptop before it was dropped off and after it was dropped off. No one said it did. It was referring to "You also need an accurate and dependable timeline about when the computer was dropped off." That's where Tony Bobulinski's emails and computer forensics come in. But he has to be creditable and he’s not. Even the store owner has a creditably problem. Computer forensics can’t tell who actually used/imput the data on the laptop. Hunter Biden has a drug problem so who knows who he let use the laptop while he was on drugs. As to the contents in emails. There has to be creditable verifiable proof the actions outlined in the emails actually happened. |
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Of course he hasn’t “testified” under oath. We’d have heard about it from a more qualified legal authority than 
