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Post by spottiedottie on Oct 17, 2022 18:29:39 GMT
The problem with Boebert’s tweet not many people knew it was a “gotcha “ tweet aimed at President Biden. She made an assumption that ultimately made her look foolish instead of her intended target. Which makes one wonder just how bright she is. I completely disagree. The people who jumped on her without knowing she was reacting to Biden are the ones who look foolish. They were the ones making assumptions. |
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Post by onelasttime on Oct 17, 2022 18:59:55 GMT
The problem with Boebert’s tweet not many people knew it was a “gotcha “ tweet aimed at President Biden. She made an assumption that ultimately made her look foolish instead of her intended target. Which makes one wonder just how bright she is. I completely disagree. The people who jumped on her without knowing she was reacting to Biden are the ones who look foolish. They were the ones making assumptions. Ok, here’s the tweet in question. What specifically is in this tweet points you in the direction that it was about a recent President Biden gaffe? Do you know every bit of news all the time? Or is it possible that things happen in the daily news that you don’t know about and you see something like this tweet and you take it at face value? That maybe you aren’t, you know, a mind reader? |
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Post by dizzycheermom on Oct 17, 2022 19:12:53 GMT
I haven't seen this mentioned, and it will probably be rambly, lol!
One big thing that Q says about Trump is that he is going to take down all of the pedophiles. That many of the elected dems and HC abuse children. They have pics that they claim is HC with an abused child. A family member showed me. This person really believes that he will save the children. They have been brainwashed, and it took a long time for them to get to this point.
BUT they honestly believe that they are saving children. Many times during Trump's presidency they heard that indictments were coming down and large numbers of pedophiles would be held accountable.
How do you fight this? It is kind of brilliant if you think about it...give them a cause that anyone would support. How do you fight against that? Then add in all of the right wing misinformation and you are golden. Most of these people WILL NEVER change their minds.
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Post by Gem Girl on Oct 17, 2022 19:27:34 GMT
I'm not going to declare an entire group of people to be anything specific on this thread (as they say, "Generalizations are dangerous, including this one). I will say that I'm disturbed by the irresponsibility of people who fall for disinformation because they only get their news from one (biased) source. I don't get my news from even just one country's media. I consider casting my vote a privilege bought with the blood of our forebears, and I take seriously the included responsibility to be well informed. If others felt this way, a good many problems could possibly be avoided.
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Post by knit.pea on Oct 17, 2022 19:30:42 GMT
Depending on (older) age of Republican voter,
these:
Pro-life voter, period
Will not vote for a Democrat, period
Willful ignorance (of factual info about any candidate)
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Post by epeanymous on Oct 17, 2022 19:39:49 GMT
I think it's not stupidity, but deliberate misinformation and disinformation performed to demonstrate tribal loyalty in a cynical bid for power and control.
I don't know if that is better or worse.
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Post by purplebee on Oct 17, 2022 19:45:02 GMT
The problem with Boebert’s tweet not many people knew it was a “gotcha “ tweet aimed at President Biden. She made an assumption that ultimately made her look foolish instead of her intended target. Which makes one wonder just how bright she is. I completely disagree. The people who jumped on her without knowing she was reacting to Biden are the ones who look foolish. They were the ones making assumptions. The issue I have with Boebert’s tweet is not the silly “gotcha” thing she was attempting re President Biden, but the fact that an elected official of the United States is now very willing to publicly say “Fuck Joe Biden” and her base applauds her. This is the level of class that the Let’s Go Brandon crowd has descended to. They are trash, and they think that the Let’s Go Brandon thing is so cute and coy. |
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Post by Merge on Oct 17, 2022 20:01:52 GMT
I completely disagree. The people who jumped on her without knowing she was reacting to Biden are the ones who look foolish. They were the ones making assumptions. The issue I have with Boebert’s tweet is not the silly “gotcha” thing she was attempting re President Biden, but the fact that an elected official of the United States is now very willing to publicly say “Fuck Joe Biden” and her base applauds her. This is the level of class that the Let’s Go Brandon crowd has descended to. They are trash, and they think that the Let’s Go Brandon thing is so cute and coy. I’m trying to remember if any Democratic representative ever mocked any of Trump’s mannerisms or foibles in a public setting. Not just mentioned, but openly mocked. |
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Post by FuzzyMutt on Oct 17, 2022 20:02:05 GMT
I have to admit I am really sick of all your (NH) ads. Seeing Vermont’s are bad enough but our stations show VT, NH and upstate NY’s. So we see them for Elise Stefanik and Don Bolduc also, and they are running them ALL the time. I do have to admit the person who was running again Elise Stefanik in the primary whose main ad was that “Elise is too busy kissing Trump’s ass to look after out for ours” was one of my favorites. And as a side note we have a lot of Bolducs and pronounce it Ball-Duke not Bowl-Duck, and that drives me crazy. 😆😆 YES YES YES A million times yes!! I'm in MA and it's non stop between NH ads and MA adds. I tune them all out (they are all absolutely laughable, regardless of state or party.) |
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Post by FuzzyMutt on Oct 17, 2022 20:04:53 GMT
I completely disagree. The people who jumped on her without knowing she was reacting to Biden are the ones who look foolish. They were the ones making assumptions. Ok, here’s the tweet in question. What specifically is in this tweet points you in the direction that it was about a recent President Biden gaffe? Do you know every bit of news all the time? Or is it possible that things happen in the daily news that you don’t know about and you see something like this tweet and you take it at face value? That maybe you aren’t, you know, a mind reader? Well.. on Oct 7, 2022, Biden said... "Let me start off with two words: Made in America." I hadn't seen the one by Bobert. But wouldn't it be nice if instead of playing playground gotcha games, something of substance was the topic? |
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Post by aj2hall on Oct 17, 2022 20:21:59 GMT
I'm OK with calling Republican politicians stupid. Calling Republican voters stupid for their choices seems unreasonable to me. I understand what you're saying about different standards and high road/ low road. I just think at some point, there's a line to draw with people that you disagree. If someone doesn't draw the line, we will just devolve into name calling, which is where we might be right now. How often do I need to be called libtard, groomer, or baby killer online before I get to push back? They’ve been calling us stupid since Rush’s “liberalism is a mental disorder” days. It’s only gotten worse. Stupid is mild compared to the things they routinely call Democrats these days. Why is no one concerned about how they’re pushing away moderates with this rhetoric? Absolutely not OK. And Republican politicians are encouraging them. Also not OK. There should be more pushback and defense of teachers, in particular. And when someone like Ron DeSantis uses the words groomers, there should absolutely be strong push back from Democratic politicians. I think my objection (that I'm not articulating very well, sorry) is generalizations and assumptions that anyone who votes for a Republican is stupid. There are a million reasons why someone might vote for a Republican. I'm not going to call them stupid just because I passionately disagree with their voting choices. That's just my personal choice, I'm not trying to lecture anyone else or tell anyone else what to do. |
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Post by aj2hall on Oct 17, 2022 20:24:17 GMT
The issue I have with Boebert’s tweet is not the silly “gotcha” thing she was attempting re President Biden, but the fact that an elected official of the United States is now very willing to publicly say “Fuck Joe Biden” and her base applauds her. This is the level of class that the Let’s Go Brandon crowd has descended to. They are trash, and they think that the Let’s Go Brandon thing is so cute and coy. I’m trying to remember if any Democratic representative ever mocked any of Trump’s mannerisms or foibles in a public setting. Not just mentioned, but openly mocked. Not that I recall. Late night comedy and SNL had a field day, but I don't recall Democratic politicians mocking him. Maybe the way he held a bottle with 2 hands or how he walked down the ramp at a service academy graduation? Trump lashed out and maybe it was just a response to his explanation? I don't remember the specific details. I think there were questions raised about his medical condition at the time. |
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Post by Merge on Oct 17, 2022 20:25:06 GMT
How often do I need to be called libtard, groomer, or baby killer online before I get to push back? They’ve been calling us stupid since Rush’s “liberalism is a mental disorder” days. It’s only gotten worse. Stupid is mild compared to the things they routinely call Democrats these days. Why is no one concerned about how they’re pushing away moderates with this rhetoric? Absolutely not OK. And Republican politicians are encouraging them. Also not OK. There should be more pushback and defense of teachers, in particular. And when someone like Ron DeSantis uses the words groomers, there should absolutely be strong push back from Democratic politicians. I think my objection (that I'm not articulating very well, sorry) is generalizations and assumptions that anyone who votes for a Republican is stupid. There are a million reasons why someone might vote for a Republican. I'm not going to call them stupid just because I passionately disagree with their voting choices. That's just my personal choice, I'm not trying to lecture anyone else or tell anyone else what to do. I get it, I really do. I’m just left scratching my head at why conservative media doesn’t publish these pieces about how the right just isn’t trying to understand the needs of moderates, or how they should be blunting their rhetoric to avoid putting people off. |
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Post by Merge on Oct 17, 2022 20:28:46 GMT
Just popped up on my Twitter feed:
So classy. Really the voice of decorum and non-divisive rhetoric.
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Post by crimsoncat05 on Oct 17, 2022 20:34:51 GMT
KLASSY. what happened to 'respecting the office of the President?' Apparently that only works when it's a Republican. alrighty then. eta: took me a minute to realize she is a Congressional candidate. SHAMEFUL. (my words aren't coming to me right at the moment; there's other ones that I'm sure fit better than shameful, but that's the best I can do right now.) |
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Post by Merge on Oct 17, 2022 20:46:11 GMT
KLASSY. what happened to 'respecting the office of the President?' Apparently that only works when it's a Republican. alrighty then. eta: took me a minute to realize she is a Congressional candidate. SHAMEFUL. (my words aren't coming to me right at the moment; there's other ones that I'm sure fit better than shameful, but that's the best I can do right now.) Not just a candidate. A sitting member of the House. |
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Post by kelbel827 on Oct 17, 2022 21:52:09 GMT
Yes!
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Post by aj2hall on Oct 17, 2022 21:59:49 GMT
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Post by aj2hall on Oct 17, 2022 22:16:30 GMT
I don’t think there’s much the dems can do. The republicans decry the “elites” and suggest we need to listen to the “working class” and then mock AOC for being “just a bartender.” I have to hear how Biden must be senile because he misspeaks and then pretend Lauren Boebert is just as smart as everyone else while she tweets “two words: let’s go Brandon.” I do not think the dems are portraying themselves as the elites, I think that’s Republican propaganda and sadly they are very effective with their “alternative facts.” People mock AOC because she was a bartender just a few years ago (nothing wrong with that, imo) but now, at 33 years old, presents herself as an experienced and knowledgeable statesman, which she is not. She campaigned on being new, fresh, and a Washington outsider and yet has glommed onto being a celebrity like no one else. And I can't let the Lauren Boebert thing go. On Friday, October 7, Joe Biden was in Hagerstown, Maryland and started his speech off with this: "Let me start off with two words, Made in America!" Boebert then went on Twitter and tweeted: "Two words, Let's Go Brandon!" David Hogg and George Takei and others were quick to mock her for being incredibly stupid but had nothing to say about Biden. Boebert is not the stupid one here. If you think she is, but will still defend Biden then you are one of the people that Republicans think of as elite. The attitude of "my side can say whatever they want because they are smart and good and noble and your side is evil and stupid EVEN WHEN SAYING THE SAME THINGS then that is a problem. She's not stupid because of the Let's Go Brandon (although that was juvenile). She's stupid because of comments like these “I don’t know who’s running the federal government these days—Joe Biden or Prince John from… uh… Prince John.” When 9/11 happened, we didn't ban planes. The easiest way to make the delta variant go away is to turn off CNN. And vote Republican. She also said this. Apparently she hasn't actually read the constitution. “The church is supposed to direct the government. The government is not supposed to direct the church. That is not how our founding fathers intended it.” She made up a story about riding in an elevator with Ilhan Omar and used that as an excuse to go on a racist, xenophobic, inflammatory tirade. Ilhan Omar has now received death threats. Or this about the Covid vaccine As allergy season gets underway, I encourage everyone to take their allergy medicines so that my allergy medicines can work. You know, it doesn’t work unless everyone takes it. She demanded that President Biden be impeached and accused him of "colluding with the Taliban" after criticizing Biden for not withdrawing sooner. And she praised the Taliban for "building back better" |
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Post by andreasmom on Oct 17, 2022 22:52:43 GMT
I don’t think voters are stupid.
I do think voting is no longer a thought out decision. I think it is a visceral reaction and people now vote on emotion only.
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Post by Sarah*H on Oct 18, 2022 1:27:00 GMT
I've just finished watching the livestream of our school board meeting. A group of 4 parents continue to be outraged and aggrieved that our school board (last count 8 Republicans, 1 Democrat who won only because of major financial backing from our *Republican* state rep) is too "woke" and allowing renegade teachers to teach whatever the hell they want. They continue to be furious about a book being taught in the 9th Grade Honors English class. This book was the subject of numerous school board and curriculum meetings last year and was unanimously reapproved. But they are furious. They can't pronounce the title of this book and none of them could actually bring themselves to read the book because it's so outrageous, but they know it's terrible.
They are also outraged and aggrieved that (checks notes) - 12 years ago - a teacher thought it was appropriate to allow high school students to watch The Silence of the Lambs in a class on film critique.
And last but not least, it was discovered that there are teachers (or maybe only one teacher) who had the audacity to give her students material which revealed that Columbus raped, pillaged and enslaved people. This is not true. We KNOW this isn't true. We even have a school board member who bristled at the lunacy of anyone thinking this might actually be true and surely we can make sure that our teachers understand what they are and aren't allowed to teach our impressionable students.
TLDR? I don't know if these people are actually stupid. But I know at the least that they pretend that they are. And I know that they are doing their best to make everyone in their spheres of influence ignorant, if not stupid. I guess we're supposed to be polite and rise above and ignore the digs, perceived and real, but this game is getting very, very tiresome.
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Post by imkat on Oct 18, 2022 2:44:22 GMT
One observation from someone with zero interest in sports but observing others my whole life.
You go to the tailgate party(rally), wear your team colors (red Trump hats, etc.), boo the other team (Democrats), and cheer your own team (Republican). It is a lot of entertaining FUN for the fans. It's great to have kindered spirits and BELONG to something.
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Oct 18, 2022 15:47:57 GMT
Just popped up on my Twitter feed: So classy. Really the voice of decorum and non-divisive rhetoric. And then we also have this. Yet democrats are the ones that are being divisive.  |
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Post by aj2hall on Oct 19, 2022 20:21:34 GMT
I think this brings up a really good point. The threat of Trump was immediate in 2018 and 2020. Voters turned out in those elections. Will they show up and vote for Democrats for the 3rd time? Especially when the threat of Trump is less immediate? www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2022/10/19/trump-house-democrats-2022-elections-gop-control/But will the anti-MAGA majority perceive the threat — and show up to vote against it — for a third time?
By contrast, Houlahan notes, in 2018 voters saw the immediacy of the Trump threat. “Right now, that’s not in front of them the way that it has been before,” she tells me, suggesting she hopes voters recognize that a Democratic House is essential to keeping that threat at bay.
That’s the paradox at the core of the 2018 class’s plight. Trumpism is still here. But the anti-Trump coalition might not vote accordingly. |
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Post by aj2hall on Oct 19, 2022 21:48:25 GMT
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Post by aj2hall on Oct 20, 2022 0:53:59 GMT
This opinion I think really nails it when it comes to swing voters (some anyway) www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2022/10/19/tim-ryan-rebranding-ohio-democrats/For many swing voters, the choice they confront is between Ryan, the candidate they like better from the party they don’t trust; and Vance, the candidate they don’t like very much from the party they agree with and would rather support.
In 18 months of visiting all 88 counties in Ohio, Ryan has done all he could to detoxify the Democratic label he carries. Nonetheless, there are some glimmers in the polling that Vance — like weak Republican Senate candidates in Georgia and Pennsylvania — might be consolidating the Republican vote in the campaign’s final weeks. All three races will test the limits of candidate quality in a polarized time.
It’s a real problem that the party of Franklin D. Roosevelt needs to prove it is “pro-American worker.”
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Post by Merge on Oct 20, 2022 1:09:43 GMT
At what point do the economy-first voters cop to the fact that the higher prices they’re paying to hand in hand with record corporate profits in most cases - profits that far outpace the increased cost of labor and materials they’re experiencing?
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Post by sabrinae on Oct 20, 2022 6:08:39 GMT
At what point do we hold voters accountable for the decisions they make and quit making excuses for why they vote Republican. At the end of the day, that’s the decision they make for whatever reason- but it means they are supporting the party of Trump and all that goes with that. It means their supporting the destruction of democracy. The Republican Party in its present form isn’t about governing or economic policy or gun policy or abortion policy it’s about the cult of Trump and Trumpism and holding onto power at any cost -including the destruction of our current system of government as illustrated by the continued support of election denial, January 6th and “rigged elections”. Nearly every major Republican candidate across the country continue to espouse those beliefs— it’s not unclear e what the Republican Party is about or what it means to support them.
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Post by leftturnonly on Oct 20, 2022 6:37:13 GMT
record corporate profits in most cases - profits that far outpace the increased cost of labor and materials You agreeing with me that Pfizer has made big bucks off a virus? Good, we finally agree on something.  I've got problems with quite a number of these top companies, too. |
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Post by mollycoddle on Oct 20, 2022 8:55:16 GMT
I haven't seen this mentioned, and it will probably be rambly, lol! One big thing that Q says about Trump is that he is going to take down all of the pedophiles. That many of the elected dems and HC abuse children. They have pics that they claim is HC with an abused child. A family member showed me. This person really believes that he will save the children. They have been brainwashed, and it took a long time for them to get to this point. BUT they honestly believe that they are saving children. Many times during Trump's presidency they heard that indictments were coming down and large numbers of pedophiles would be held accountable. How do you fight this? It is kind of brilliant if you think about it...give them a cause that anyone would support. How do you fight against that? Then add in all of the right wing misinformation and you are golden. Most of these people WILL NEVER change their minds. I don’t see how you can fight it unless they do something illegal. My question is, why are so many Americans so gullible and weak-brained that they believe this drivel? This stuff comes from some guy sitting at his laptop and laughing his ass off at the rubes who believe his stories. It is pathetic |
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