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Post by mollycoddle on Oct 20, 2022 8:58:53 GMT
At what point do we hold voters accountable for the decisions they make and quit making excuses for why they vote Republican. At the end of the day, that’s the decision they make for whatever reason- but it means they are supporting the party of Trump and all that goes with that. It means their supporting the destruction of democracy. The Republican Party in its present form isn’t about governing or economic policy or gun policy or abortion policy it’s about the cult of Trump and Trumpism and holding onto power at any cost -including the destruction of our current system of government as illustrated by the continued support of election denial, January 6th and “rigged elections”. Nearly every major Republican candidate across the country continue to espouse those beliefs— it’s not unclear e what the Republican Party is about or what it means to support them. Well, sure, but inflation…oh wait. Republicans have no plan to fight inflation, maybe because it is worldwide. 🤔
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Post by mollycoddle on Oct 20, 2022 9:05:28 GMT
One observation from someone with zero interest in sports but observing others my whole life. You go to the tailgate party(rally), wear your team colors (red Trump hats, etc.), boo the other team (Democrats), and cheer your own team (Republican). It is a lot of entertaining FUN for the fans. It's great to have kindered spirits and BELONG to something. I think that this plays a significant part in Republican solidarity. Many of them seem to think that their views represent the majority.
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Post by leftturnonly on Oct 20, 2022 9:05:37 GMT
At what point do the economy-first voters cop to the fact that the higher prices they’re paying to hand in hand with record corporate profits in most cases - profits that far outpace the increased cost of labor and materials they’re experiencing? Not sure how you explain worldwide inflation if you're going to blame it all on corporate profiteering though.
Disclose.tv @disclosetv NEW 125 years after foundation: German construction company Wolff Hoch- und Ingenieurbau insolvent. 130 years after foundation: German confectionery manufacturer Bodeta insolvent. 156 years after foundation: German automotive supplier Borgers insolvent. 3:46 PM · Oct 18, 2022 ·Twitter Web App 3,723 Retweets 897 Quote Tweets 10.1K Likes @disclosetv · Oct 18 Replying to @disclosetv 170 years after foundation: German soap maker Kappus insolvent. Disclose.tv @disclosetv · Oct 18 All of the above insolvencies were reported in the last 24 hours.
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Post by mollycoddle on Oct 20, 2022 9:12:30 GMT
I don’t think there’s much the dems can do. The republicans decry the “elites” and suggest we need to listen to the “working class” and then mock AOC for being “just a bartender.” I have to hear how Biden must be senile because he misspeaks and then pretend Lauren Boebert is just as smart as everyone else while she tweets “two words: let’s go Brandon.” I do not think the dems are portraying themselves as the elites, I think that’s Republican propaganda and sadly they are very effective with their “alternative facts.” People mock AOC because she was a bartender just a few years ago (nothing wrong with that, imo) but now, at 33 years old, presents herself as an experienced and knowledgeable statesman, which she is not. She campaigned on being new, fresh, and a Washington outsider and yet has glommed onto being a celebrity like no one else. And I can't let the Lauren Boebert thing go. On Friday, October 7, Joe Biden was in Hagerstown, Maryland and started his speech off with this: "Let me start off with two words, Made in America!" Boebert then went on Twitter and tweeted: "Two words, Let's Go Brandon!" David Hogg and George Takei and others were quick to mock her for being incredibly stupid but had nothing to say about Biden. Boebert is not the stupid one here. If you think she is, but will still defend Biden then you are one of the people that Republicans think of as elite. The attitude of "my side can say whatever they want because they are smart and good and noble and your side is evil and stupid EVEN WHEN SAYING THE SAME THINGS then that is a problem. Oh, come on. She is not smart. Like Trump, she has a sort of reptilian awareness of what will appeal to the base. I read,and I believe, that some conservatives deliberately miscount the words in their tweets because it gets more views and comments. What has she done with regard to policy? She is not a serious person. Like MTG, she is a big mouth and a rabble-rouser.
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Post by leftturnonly on Oct 20, 2022 9:15:39 GMT
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Post by leftturnonly on Oct 20, 2022 9:29:45 GMT
Republicans have no plan to fight inflation Remind me what the cost of things like gasoline and food were under the last Republican administration and tell me how things are better now after this administration ended everything that was working, beginning with the Keystone Pipeline. I'm no Republican, and I'm most certainly not Republican leadership, but there are a growing number of reversals to Biden policies that could be made quickly that would make a dramatic effect, just as the implementation of Biden policies made such an increasingly problematic effect.
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Post by mollycoddle on Oct 20, 2022 10:34:50 GMT
Republicans have no plan to fight inflation Remind me what the cost of things like gasoline and food were under the last Republican administration and tell me how things are better now after this administration ended everything that was working, beginning with the Keystone Pipeline. I'm no Republican, and I'm most certainly not Republican leadership, but there are a growing number of reversals to Biden policies that could be made quickly that would make a dramatic effect, just as the implementation of Biden policies made such an increasingly problematic effect. But they are running on complaining about inflation, conveniently not mentioning that inflation is a problem globally. The implication is that they mean to do something about it. So… what is their plan? Will cutting govt. spending work? I doubt it. A lot of inflation is based on consumer demand. And what will they cut? ETA: Ah, Ukraine, SS and Medicare are possible targets. That checks out. www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/10/18/mccarthy-gop-medicare-social-security/
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Post by aj2hall on Oct 20, 2022 11:36:07 GMT
Remind me what the cost of things like gasoline and food were under the last Republican administration and tell me how things are better now after this administration ended everything that was working, beginning with the Keystone Pipeline. I'm no Republican, and I'm most certainly not Republican leadership, but there are a growing number of reversals to Biden policies that could be made quickly that would make a dramatic effect, just as the implementation of Biden policies made such an increasingly problematic effect. But they are running on complaining about inflation, conveniently not mentioning that inflation is a problem globally. The implication is that they mean to do something about it. So… what is their plan? Will cutting govt. spending work? I doubt it. A lot of inflation is based on consumer demand. And what will they cut? ETA: Ah, Ukraine, SS and Medicare are possible targets. That checks out. www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/10/18/mccarthy-gop-medicare-social-security/Not only that, the Republicans are planning to reinstate the Trump tax cuts. Look how well that worked for the UK. The tax cuts will only add to the inflation.
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Post by pilcas on Oct 20, 2022 12:36:25 GMT
Well the Rep. party leaders are sly and cunning but their base is stupid. After Trump took office the first thing the republican congress tried to do was allow the insurance companies to charge more for previous conditions and after a certain age we all have tose. Yet they vote for these people instead of their own interests.
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Post by Merge on Oct 20, 2022 13:01:00 GMT
Republicans have no plan to fight inflation Remind me what the cost of things like gasoline and food were under the last Republican administration and tell me how things are better now after this administration ended everything that was working, beginning with the Keystone Pipeline. I'm no Republican, and I'm most certainly not Republican leadership, but there are a growing number of reversals to Biden policies that could be made quickly that would make a dramatic effect, just as the implementation of Biden policies made such an increasingly problematic effect. What was “everything that was working?” Please be specific. RE Keystone XL - apnews.com/article/fact-checking-895299166310
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Post by aj2hall on Oct 20, 2022 13:57:33 GMT
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Oct 20, 2022 14:03:53 GMT
Republicans have no plan to fight inflation Remind me what the cost of things like gasoline and food were under the last Republican administration and tell me how things are better now after this administration ended everything that was working, beginning with the Keystone Pipeline. I'm no Republican, and I'm most certainly not Republican leadership, but there are a growing number of reversals to Biden policies that could be made quickly that would make a dramatic effect, just as the implementation of Biden policies made such an increasingly problematic effect. You really need to become educated on the keystone pipeline and stop repeating republican talking points.
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Post by Merge on Oct 20, 2022 14:11:15 GMT
At what point do the economy-first voters cop to the fact that the higher prices they’re paying to hand in hand with record corporate profits in most cases - profits that far outpace the increased cost of labor and materials they’re experiencing? Not sure how you explain worldwide inflation if you're going to blame it all on corporate profiteering though.
Disclose.tv @disclosetv NEW 125 years after foundation: German construction company Wolff Hoch- und Ingenieurbau insolvent. 130 years after foundation: German confectionery manufacturer Bodeta insolvent. 156 years after foundation: German automotive supplier Borgers insolvent. 3:46 PM · Oct 18, 2022 ·Twitter Web App 3,723 Retweets 897 Quote Tweets 10.1K Likes @disclosetv · Oct 18 Replying to @disclosetv 170 years after foundation: German soap maker Kappus insolvent. Disclose.tv @disclosetv · Oct 18 All of the above insolvencies were reported in the last 24 hours. As aj2hall said above me, both things can be true. Prices of gas and consumer goods in the US - and probably in other free market economies - are being made worse than they would otherwise have been during this inflationary period by corporate profiteering. But you've got those corporations and their primary shareholders pointing at the Democrats to deflect from the fact that this is yet another case of the rich getting richer on the backs of the poor and working class. It's not the only thing driving higher prices, but people should be aware of it when they cast around to assign blame. To me, it's especially egregious because it's a pure choice made specifically to put money in their own pockets. Companies do not have to raise prices beyond what is needed to cover the increased cost of business. They choose to do it anyway to increase shareholder profits, and then look to blame someone else.
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Post by Merge on Oct 20, 2022 14:14:19 GMT
One observation from someone with zero interest in sports but observing others my whole life. You go to the tailgate party(rally), wear your team colors (red Trump hats, etc.), boo the other team (Democrats), and cheer your own team (Republican). It is a lot of entertaining FUN for the fans. It's great to have kindered spirits and BELONG to something. I think that this plays a significant part in Republican solidarity. Many of them seem to think that their views represent the majority. They really do. An example of that is all the "school choice" advocates who say that public schools are failing and parents are clamoring to get out in large numbers. Multiple polls show that the vast majority of parents are happy with their kids' public schools. The voucher people are shocked to hear it.
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Post by melanell on Oct 20, 2022 17:02:15 GMT
All I know, is that the 2 major party system is broken. It is working only for the politicians in power, and no one else. We're never going to see reasonable moderate people on both sides working together for the good of the country again if we keep going in this direction. No one voting is looking at individuals any more. We're just voting our party in hopes of stopping the insanity, but instead we're creating a situation in which both parties can put any clown they want into any office, because we will literally vote for anyone if they are on the "right" side.
I wasn't happy with some of the people I voted for just now, but what choice did I have? And what are the people I voted for going to do? Spend their time butting heads with the other party, trying to undo what was recently done, etc. And nothing new gets done that way. No new problems are addressed. We just keep undoing what the last person did like a bunch of neighborhood kids fighting for control of a treehouse in the woods.
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Oct 20, 2022 17:09:57 GMT
All I know, is that the 2 major party system is broken. It is working only for the politicians in power, and no one else. We're never going to see reasonable moderate people on both sides working together for the good of the country again if we keep going in this direction. No one voting is looking at individuals any more. We're just voting our party in hopes of stopping the insanity, but instead we're creating a situation in which both parties can put any clown they want into any office, because we will literally vote for anyone if they are on the "right" side. I wasn't happy with some of the people I voted for just now, but what choice did I have? And what are the people I voted for going to do? Spend their time butting heads with the other party, trying to undo what was recently done, etc. And nothing new gets done that way. No new problems are addressed. We just keep undoing what the last person did like a bunch of neighborhood kids fighting for control of a treehouse in the woods. Sorry, but this rally isn’t a both sides issue. Which democrats and their policies do you see as extreme or “insane”?
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Post by aj2hall on Oct 20, 2022 17:31:12 GMT
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Post by melanell on Oct 20, 2022 22:49:32 GMT
All I know, is that the 2 major party system is broken. It is working only for the politicians in power, and no one else. We're never going to see reasonable moderate people on both sides working together for the good of the country again if we keep going in this direction. No one voting is looking at individuals any more. We're just voting our party in hopes of stopping the insanity, but instead we're creating a situation in which both parties can put any clown they want into any office, because we will literally vote for anyone if they are on the "right" side. I wasn't happy with some of the people I voted for just now, but what choice did I have? And what are the people I voted for going to do? Spend their time butting heads with the other party, trying to undo what was recently done, etc. And nothing new gets done that way. No new problems are addressed. We just keep undoing what the last person did like a bunch of neighborhood kids fighting for control of a treehouse in the woods. Sorry, but this rally isn’t a both sides issue. Which democrats and their policies do you see as extreme or “insane”? ?? I'm not sure what you're referring to? I said that we are forced to vote our party to stop the insanity already happening---I never said a word about it being the Democrats who were being insane. I was also just referring to the OP, so that was probably part of the issue. I should have said that given how far along this thread has gone. It asked if certain supporters are stupid and it got me thinking about how the Republican party can offer up anyone and Republicans will vote for them, which made me recall that I voted for a few people I wasn't thrilled about last week, but there's no way I'd be even willing to consider anyone 3rd party right now, despite wishing we had stronger third party options. But with the current levels of insanity out there---I couldn't vote for a 3rd party candidate no matter how much I might prefer them. I'm sorry my post was not clear in any way at all. Politics frustrates me, I ought to stay out of these threads.
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Post by aj2hall on Oct 24, 2022 2:10:23 GMT
In an opinion today, Jennifer Rubin referred to "low information" voters. In my opinion, that seems like a fair and accurate representation, preferable to stupid. www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2022/10/23/biden-democrats-midterms-economy/Voters who follow the news closely will likely find it hard to believe that so many fellow Americans would even consider casting ballots for election deniers and Republicans who betrayed democracy. But “low information” Americans are the ones who will decide the midterm elections. Therefore, President Biden and his fellow Democrats must think carefully about their closing argument to win over these people.So yes, while protecting democracy is an essential issue for those who rightfully fear the GOP’s assault on democratic institutions and values, Democrats must win over late-deciding voters, too. And there is nothing like a reminder that the economy could get a lot worse as Republicans revert to cutting taxes for the rich and starving government to motivate Americans to vote Democratic. Biden needs to keep that drumbeat going through Election Day.This analysis from 2016 referred to Trump supporters as low information. I don't think a lot has changed, except maybe a greater distrust of mainstream media after 6 years of Trump constantly bashing "fake news" www.washingtonpost.com/news/monkey-cage/wp/2016/11/07/low-information-voters-are-a-crucial-part-of-trumps-support/Our research finds that Trump has attracted a disproportionate (and unprecedented) number of “low-information voters” to his campaign. Furthermore, these voters are more likely to respond to emotional appeals — whether about the economy, immigration, Muslims, racial relations, sexism, and even hostility to the first African American U.S. president, Barack Obama. They are the ideal constituency for a candidate like Trump.
We define low-information voters as those who do not know certain basic facts about government and lack what psychologists call a “need for cognition.” Those with a high need for cognition have a positive attitude toward tasks that require reasoning and effortful thinking and are, therefore, more likely to invest the time and resources to do so when evaluating complex issues. Those with a low need for cognition, on the other hand, find little reward in the collection and evaluation of new information when it comes to problem solving and the consideration of competing issue positions. They are more likely to rely on cognitive shortcuts, such as “experts” or other opinion leaders, for cues.
Drawing on data from the 2016 American National Election Studies Pilot Studies, we measured the need for cognition based on whether respondents agreed or disagreed that “Thinking is not my idea of fun” and “I would rather do something that requires little thought than something that is sure to challenge my thinking abilities.” We measured knowledge of government based on a question asking how long senators’ terms were and a question on which of four policy areas the government spends the least (the answer was foreign aid; the other options were Medicare, national defense and Social Security). We focused our analysis on whites because nonwhites were not supporting Trump in sufficient numbers.
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Post by Merge on Oct 24, 2022 2:14:22 GMT
Sorry, just to inject some levity here … to protect the economy, vote Democratic and root for the Astros in the WS. 😬
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