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Post by revirdsuba99 on Dec 4, 2022 20:36:43 GMT
My H believes EVERY claim of voter fraud that anyone on the right makes. In AZ, he is claiming that Republicans were told that the voting machines were only counting Democratic votes abd they'd have to drive for hours to find a machine that worked for R votes. The right has sucessfully convinced these morons that any R loss is fraudulent. There was an issue with a voting site in AZ, but it involved ALL the voters!
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Post by Deleted on Dec 4, 2022 21:06:14 GMT
My H believes EVERY claim of voter fraud that anyone on the right makes. In AZ, he is claiming that Republicans were told that the voting machines were only counting Democratic votes abd they'd have to drive for hours to find a machine that worked for R votes. The right has sucessfully convinced these morons that any R loss is fraudulent. Just like a child not getting their way and having a tantrum. Just like their Daddy trump does. There is a commonality with trump's crazed cultists. Narcissism. And I mention that to you sadly because I read your post about your H. If you haven't already I highly recommend looking into Narcissistic abuse so you can empower yourself.
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Post by lucyg on Dec 4, 2022 21:27:12 GMT
My H believes EVERY claim of voter fraud that anyone on the right makes. In AZ, he is claiming that Republicans were told that the voting machines were only counting Democratic votes abd they'd have to drive for hours to find a machine that worked for R votes. The right has sucessfully convinced these morons that any R loss is fraudulent. There was an issue with a voting site in AZ, but it involved ALL the voters! And if it involved the same issue I read about, they simply had everyone vote paper ballots and held them to be counted later, since the machines weren’t working. These are the same people who don’t give a flying rat’s ass when black voters and college students have to wait in line for 8 hours to vote. In Texas and Georgia, of course.
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Post by Merge on Dec 4, 2022 22:35:44 GMT
There was an issue with a voting site in AZ, but it involved ALL the voters! And if it involved the same issue I read about, they simply had everyone vote paper ballots and held them to be counted later, since the machines weren’t working. These are the same people who don’t give a flying rat’s ass when black voters and college students have to wait in line for 8 hours to vote. In Texas and Georgia, of course. Yup. Been going on in my county for years. GOP didn’t care until it affected voting sites in a Republican-dominated area. We heard nothing at all about an election worse than a third world country. Nothing at all about corruption and fraud. Not until we flipped Harris county blue and the GOP has thrown a four-year tantrum about it.
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Post by aj2hall on Dec 4, 2022 22:45:23 GMT
And if it involved the same issue I read about, they simply had everyone vote paper ballots and held them to be counted later, since the machines weren’t working. These are the same people who don’t give a flying rat’s ass when black voters and college students have to wait in line for 8 hours to vote. In Texas and Georgia, of course. Yup. Been going on in my county for years. GOP didn’t care until it affected voting sites in a Republican-dominated area. We heard nothing at all about an election worse than a third world country. Nothing at all about corruption and fraud. Not until we flipped Harris county blue and the GOP has thrown a four-year tantrum about it. Somehow, illogically, Republicans also claim there was fraud at the top of the ballot in 2020, but no problems with those same ballots for the Senate or House races. If a Republican won a down ballot race, that part of the ballot was fine, fraud just existed at the top of the ballot.
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Post by Merge on Dec 4, 2022 22:53:08 GMT
Yup. Been going on in my county for years. GOP didn’t care until it affected voting sites in a Republican-dominated area. We heard nothing at all about an election worse than a third world country. Nothing at all about corruption and fraud. Not until we flipped Harris county blue and the GOP has thrown a four-year tantrum about it. Somehow, illogically, Republicans also claim there was fraud at the top of the ballot in 2020, but no problems with those same ballots for the Senate or House races. If a Republican won a down ballot race, that part of the ballot was fine, fraud just existed at the top of the ballot. Not directed at you, but I feel compelled to point out here that when red-state Democrats have complained about these issues and other inequities on our voting systems, we are usually told the solution is just to “vote harder.” We’re even told this by Democrats in other states when we ask for the tiniest bit of help at the federal level. So my solution for the people of Arizona who feel that they’ve been disenfranchised is to vote harder. Don’t talk to me about gerrymandering or voter suppression because I don’t give a rat’s ass. Don’t go on Rumble or Hannity or Truth Social and whine. Vote harder. It’s been the GOP’s response to us for decades. So fuck all y’all and vote harder. Whatever your problem is, we are all out of fucks to give. (Or preferably, just crawl back into the nasty, racist, hateful hole you came out of and stay there.)
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Post by onelasttime on Dec 4, 2022 23:25:57 GMT
Somehow, illogically, Republicans also claim there was fraud at the top of the ballot in 2020, but no problems with those same ballots for the Senate or House races. If a Republican won a down ballot race, that part of the ballot was fine, fraud just existed at the top of the ballot. Not directed at you, but I feel compelled to point out here that when red-state Democrats have complained about these issues and other inequities on our voting systems, we are usually told the solution is just to “vote harder.” We’re even told this by Democrats in other states when we ask for the tiniest bit of help at the federal level. So my solution for the people of Arizona who feel that they’ve been disenfranchised is to vote harder. Don’t talk to me about gerrymandering or voter suppression because I don’t give a rat’s ass. Don’t go on Rumble or Hannity or Truth Social and whine. Vote harder. It’s been the GOP’s response to us for decades. So fuck all y’all and vote harder. Whatever your problem is, we are all out of fucks to give. (Or preferably, just crawl back into the nasty, racist, hateful hole you came out of and stay there.) You said the same thing about getting help from CA several months ago as you are now saying about getting tiniest bit of help from the federal level. At the time I couldn’t figure out what you were looking for from CA nor can I figure out what you want from the federal level. What are you looking for?
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Post by Merge on Dec 4, 2022 23:31:36 GMT
Not directed at you, but I feel compelled to point out here that when red-state Democrats have complained about these issues and other inequities on our voting systems, we are usually told the solution is just to “vote harder.” We’re even told this by Democrats in other states when we ask for the tiniest bit of help at the federal level. So my solution for the people of Arizona who feel that they’ve been disenfranchised is to vote harder. Don’t talk to me about gerrymandering or voter suppression because I don’t give a rat’s ass. Don’t go on Rumble or Hannity or Truth Social and whine. Vote harder. It’s been the GOP’s response to us for decades. So fuck all y’all and vote harder. Whatever your problem is, we are all out of fucks to give. (Or preferably, just crawl back into the nasty, racist, hateful hole you came out of and stay there.) You said the same thing about getting help from CA several months ago as you are now saying about getting tiniest bit of help from the federal level. At the time I couldn’t figure out what you were looking for from CA nor can I figure out what you want from the federal level. What are you looking for? I told you then, but it's too late now - we want Dems to pass federal voting rights legislation that ends extreme gerrymandering and protects everyone's right to vote. You know, when they held both houses. Pelosi and Schumer could have engineered this if they'd wanted to. They had no problem getting marriage protections passed and managed to avert a rail strike, but making sure that every American could have their vote counted was just a bridge too far for Nancy and Chuck. God knows nothing will happen now, so I guess Republicans who feel they're disenfranchised in their own states can enjoy the same sense of helplessness that we've felt all these years. (And I didn't say anything about getting help from CA except insofar as your representatives wield some power in the Democratic caucus. Power they are loathe to use to protect voting rights, apparently.)
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Post by femalebusiness on Dec 4, 2022 23:36:00 GMT
Death is too good for him. I want him to have a stroke and become a drooling vegetable who shits himself. Then he and Hershel Walker could have great conversations. It is rumored that he already shits himself so you’ve got 1/2 your wish. So did Putin evidentially. He fell down some stairs and shit himself.
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Post by aj2hall on Dec 5, 2022 0:07:09 GMT
You said the same thing about getting help from CA several months ago as you are now saying about getting tiniest bit of help from the federal level. At the time I couldn’t figure out what you were looking for from CA nor can I figure out what you want from the federal level. What are you looking for? I told you then, but it's too late now - we want Dems to pass federal voting rights legislation that ends extreme gerrymandering and protects everyone's right to vote. You know, when they held both houses. Pelosi and Schumer could have engineered this if they'd wanted to. They had no problem getting marriage protections passed and managed to avert a rail strike, but making sure that every American could have their vote counted was just a bridge too far for Nancy and Chuck. God knows nothing will happen now, so I guess Republicans who feel they're disenfranchised in their own states can enjoy the same sense of helplessness that we've felt all these years. (And I didn't say anything about getting help from CA except insofar as your representatives wield some power in the Democratic caucus. Power they are loathe to use to protect voting rights, apparently.) I'm 100% with you on the importance and significance of voting rights. It's never as simple or easy as vote harder or smarter. Voting should be easy and standardized. By mail, if that's what you prefer. Also, we need to remove barriers to voting in person like long lines, fewer polling places, distance to travel, the need to take time off work or arrange child care, difficult voter ID requirements etc. End gerrymandering by making redistricting independent, transparent and inclusive. The Brennan Center has some really great ideas. www.brennancenter.org/issues/gerrymandering-fair-representation/redistricting/redistricting-reformI do think, however, Manchin and Sinema share some of the blame for the inability to pass voting rights.
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Post by onelasttime on Dec 5, 2022 0:31:19 GMT
You said the same thing about getting help from CA several months ago as you are now saying about getting tiniest bit of help from the federal level. At the time I couldn’t figure out what you were looking for from CA nor can I figure out what you want from the federal level. What are you looking for? I told you then, but it's too late now - we want Dems to pass federal voting rights legislation that ends extreme gerrymandering and protects everyone's right to vote. You know, when they held both houses. Pelosi and Schumer could have engineered this if they'd wanted to. They had no problem getting marriage protections passed and managed to avert a rail strike, but making sure that every American could have their vote counted was just a bridge too far for Nancy and Chuck. God knows nothing will happen now, so I guess Republicans who feel they're disenfranchised in their own states can enjoy the same sense of helplessness that we've felt all these years. Actually I’m pretty sure you didn’t tell me back then, you just made the comment about CA and I never asked but wondered. I guess you forgot about Manchin & Sinema. Nancy Pelosi could have gotten something through the House but unless they got rid of the filibuster in the Senate the Democrats were never going to get the 60 votes needed to pass something like a new voting rights bill. And Manchin & Sinema made sure of that. And there was very little President Biden or Chuck Schumer coukd do to make them see the light. As far as gerrymandering goes a gentle reminder, gerrymandering only affects the outcome of district related elections. So yes it affects seats for the House and seats for state legislators. But Texas just re-elected a Republican Governor and has two Republican Senators that gerrymandering played no part in. So the question becomes in the state of Texas if there was no gerrymandering would the state be purple or still bright red? And no I don’t think gerrymandering is right on any level. To me it’s a form of cheating. And it could get worse depending on the decision the Supreme Court will make on a case being argued this week. As far as voter suppression that’s just plain wrong. To me it goes against what the Framers envisioned why back when. But, and there is always a but. How much does voter suppression affect the outcome of elections vrs those who don’t contend with any type of voter suppression but just don’t care enough to show up and vote? It’s a sad commentary when the officials get all excited that out of the youngsters eligible to vote roughly 27% showed up and actually voted. This really boggles the mind because what we vote on today affects their future. You would think they would want a say. Folks get all excited about voter suppression, which they should, but continue to ignore those who think voting is a waste of their time and not important. And to those who don’t vote because they think their vote doesn’t count, I will remind them of the old football saying “On any given Sunday”. I’m rambling. I think I will go and see if the 49ers won or lost.
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Post by Merge on Dec 5, 2022 0:46:27 GMT
I told you then, but it's too late now - we want Dems to pass federal voting rights legislation that ends extreme gerrymandering and protects everyone's right to vote. You know, when they held both houses. Pelosi and Schumer could have engineered this if they'd wanted to. They had no problem getting marriage protections passed and managed to avert a rail strike, but making sure that every American could have their vote counted was just a bridge too far for Nancy and Chuck. God knows nothing will happen now, so I guess Republicans who feel they're disenfranchised in their own states can enjoy the same sense of helplessness that we've felt all these years. Actually I’m pretty sure you didn’t tell me back then, you just made the comment about CA and I never asked but wondered. I guess you forgot about Manchin & Sinema. Nancy Pelosi could have gotten something through the House but unless they got rid of the filibuster in the Senate the Democrats were never going to get the 60 votes needed to pass something like a new voting rights bill. And Manchin & Sinema made sure of that. And there was very little President Biden or Chuck Schumer coukd do to make them see the light. As far as gerrymandering goes a gentle reminder, gerrymandering only affects the outcome of district related elections. So yes it affects seats for the House and seats for state legislators. But Texas just re-elected a Republican Governor and has two Republican Senators that gerrymandering played no part in. So the question becomes in the state of Texas if there was no gerrymandering would the state be purple or still bright red? And no I don’t think gerrymandering is right on any level. To me it’s a form of cheating. And it could get worse depending on the decision the Supreme Court will make on a case being argued this week. As far as voter suppression that’s just plain wrong. To me it goes against what the Framers envisioned why back when. But, and there is always a but. How much does voter suppression affect the outcome of elections vrs those who don’t contend with any type of voter suppression but just don’t care enough to show up and vote? It’s a sad commentary when the officials get all excited that out of the youngsters eligible to vote roughly 27% showed up and actually voted. This really boggles the mind because what we vote on today affects their future. You would think they would want a say. Folks get all excited about voter suppression, which they should, but continue to ignore those who think voting is a waste of their time and not important. And to those who don’t vote because they think their vote doesn’t count, I will remind them of the old football saying “On any given Sunday”. I’m rambling. I think I will go and see if the 49ers won or lost. You can’t remember what I told you more than once, but you want to lecture me again on the same damn topic with your condescending little asides and think I should take seriously anything you say. 😂😂😂
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Post by Merge on Dec 5, 2022 0:50:10 GMT
I told you then, but it's too late now - we want Dems to pass federal voting rights legislation that ends extreme gerrymandering and protects everyone's right to vote. You know, when they held both houses. Pelosi and Schumer could have engineered this if they'd wanted to. They had no problem getting marriage protections passed and managed to avert a rail strike, but making sure that every American could have their vote counted was just a bridge too far for Nancy and Chuck. God knows nothing will happen now, so I guess Republicans who feel they're disenfranchised in their own states can enjoy the same sense of helplessness that we've felt all these years. (And I didn't say anything about getting help from CA except insofar as your representatives wield some power in the Democratic caucus. Power they are loathe to use to protect voting rights, apparently.) I'm 100% with you on the importance and significance of voting rights. It's never as simple or easy as vote harder or smarter. Voting should be easy and standardized. By mail, if that's what you prefer. Also, we need to remove barriers to voting in person like long lines, fewer polling places, distance to travel, the need to take time off work or arrange child care, difficult voter ID requirements etc. End gerrymandering by making redistricting independent, transparent and inclusive. The Brennan Center has some really great ideas. www.brennancenter.org/issues/gerrymandering-fair-representation/redistricting/redistricting-reformI do think, however, Manchin and Sinema share some of the blame for the inability to pass voting rights. They were not a problem for marriage rights. Voting rights simply weren’t a priority for the leadership from the big blue states because it doesn’t directly matter to their constituents. Gay marriage plays well in CA and NY, but those voters don’t give a shit about TX and GA and AZ.
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Post by aj2hall on Dec 5, 2022 1:16:48 GMT
I'm 100% with you on the importance and significance of voting rights. It's never as simple or easy as vote harder or smarter. Voting should be easy and standardized. By mail, if that's what you prefer. Also, we need to remove barriers to voting in person like long lines, fewer polling places, distance to travel, the need to take time off work or arrange child care, difficult voter ID requirements etc. End gerrymandering by making redistricting independent, transparent and inclusive. The Brennan Center has some really great ideas. www.brennancenter.org/issues/gerrymandering-fair-representation/redistricting/redistricting-reformI do think, however, Manchin and Sinema share some of the blame for the inability to pass voting rights. They were not a problem for marriage rights. Voting rights simply weren’t a priority for the leadership from the big blue states because it doesn’t directly matter to their constituents. Gay marriage plays well in CA and NY, but those voters don’t give a shit about TX and GA and AZ. You're right. Regrettably, some Democratic politicians have just written off states like Texas, Florida and Ohio. I think they're starting to come around to see the significance of Georgia, especially when the state gave them control of the Senate. I think there's plenty of blame to go around when it comes to voting rights. I think we should also blame the 50 Republican senators who voted against voting rights. Somewhat inexplicably, they were willing to vote with Democrats for marriage rights (as long as there were protections for religious freedom) but they refused to cooperate on voting rights. Even Manchin couldn't get them to budge on voting rights. They know their re-elections depend on gerrymandering and voter suppression. And this isn't directed at you but gerrymandering and voter suppression matter in every election, at every level.
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Post by elaine on Dec 5, 2022 1:23:27 GMT
Yawn. Wake me up when the White House issues a stern rebuke of Maricopa County's inability to hold a single election that the US would recognize as legitimate in any third world country around the globe.
So what? At least 13 times election denier Hakeem Jeffries, replacement for Nancy Pelosi as the Democrat leader in the House of Representatives, publicly claimed the 2016 election was stolen. He's actually sitting in Congress, while Trump isn't even in DC. If you're so positive that there was nothing wrong with the 2020 election, then just ignore him. By all means, we must rely on the Joe Blows of Twitter to interpret Trump and fuel the hatred for over half of America. I must have missed the Tweet where he called for all "constitutional democrats" to condemn Biden. Bwahahaha! So, the vast majority of Maricopa County’s elected officials who are Republicans were all fraudulently elected and should be unseated? Why aren't you calling for all the Republicans elected in the county and state to be recalled? Loudly? Or, is it only when some county votes for a single candidate that is Democratic that it must be fraud? Talk about about really poor critical thinking skills.
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Post by Gem Girl on Dec 5, 2022 2:25:10 GMT
Why, if one disputes part of the ballot, does he think his Congressional win from that same ballot is fine?
Why is gerrymandering a thing at all? Then, why does the party in power get to shift the districts? Just stop it. Just vote where you live, tally by county, or however it's divided.
Why does anybody want to reduce people's ability to or access to vote? I mean, if you believe in your party/candidate/whatever, surely you'd think that more people voting means more votes for your awesome stuff?
Just sounds like whining & trying to cheat, to me. Why do that, if you're giving the voting populace what they want?
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Post by onelasttime on Dec 5, 2022 2:44:44 GMT
Actually I’m pretty sure you didn’t tell me back then, you just made the comment about CA and I never asked but wondered. I guess you forgot about Manchin & Sinema. Nancy Pelosi could have gotten something through the House but unless they got rid of the filibuster in the Senate the Democrats were never going to get the 60 votes needed to pass something like a new voting rights bill. And Manchin & Sinema made sure of that. And there was very little President Biden or Chuck Schumer coukd do to make them see the light. As far as gerrymandering goes a gentle reminder, gerrymandering only affects the outcome of district related elections. So yes it affects seats for the House and seats for state legislators. But Texas just re-elected a Republican Governor and has two Republican Senators that gerrymandering played no part in. So the question becomes in the state of Texas if there was no gerrymandering would the state be purple or still bright red? And no I don’t think gerrymandering is right on any level. To me it’s a form of cheating. And it could get worse depending on the decision the Supreme Court will make on a case being argued this week. As far as voter suppression that’s just plain wrong. To me it goes against what the Framers envisioned why back when. But, and there is always a but. How much does voter suppression affect the outcome of elections vrs those who don’t contend with any type of voter suppression but just don’t care enough to show up and vote? It’s a sad commentary when the officials get all excited that out of the youngsters eligible to vote roughly 27% showed up and actually voted. This really boggles the mind because what we vote on today affects their future. You would think they would want a say. Folks get all excited about voter suppression, which they should, but continue to ignore those who think voting is a waste of their time and not important. And to those who don’t vote because they think their vote doesn’t count, I will remind them of the old football saying “On any given Sunday”. I’m rambling. I think I will go and see if the 49ers won or lost. You can’t remember what I told you more than once, but you want to lecture me again on the same damn topic with your condescending little asides and think I should take seriously anything you say. 😂😂😂 Little testy there aren’t you. And you didn’t answer the question if there was no gerrymandering and voter suppression would Texas be a purple or a bright red state? Nor did you answer the question what were the Democrats in the Senate and President Biden suppose to do about Manchin and Sinema? You blame gerrymandering and voter suppression for some voting results involving some races in Texas but ignore a simple question. You also ignore the fact that Texas elected both Cruz and Abbott and gerrymandering had nothing to do with the voting for either of these races. Was Beto a weak candidate or would Texas, without gerrymandering as an excuse, still be a solid red state? You blame the Democrats in Congress for not passing a new voting rights act while ignoring the reality of the current makeup of the Senate. I find that people who won’t answer questions but get testy instead is because they know the answers but don’t want to admit them out loud because they don’t like the answers. It just easier to ignore the questions and blame others in cases like that. As far as you telling me multiple times, if your answer back then was that Congress needs to pass a voting rights bill it wouldn’t have made any sense because you were very specific in calling out CA for not doing more. That is why I remember it because I thought what does CA have to do with anything that goes on in Texas? And I never asked. But I still don’t know what CA has to do with anything going on in Texas or how any of what ever it is it’s CA’s fault. And at this point I don’t want to know so you can keep your testiness to yourself.
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Post by Merge on Dec 5, 2022 2:58:29 GMT
You can’t remember what I told you more than once, but you want to lecture me again on the same damn topic with your condescending little asides and think I should take seriously anything you say. 😂😂😂 Little testy there aren’t you. And you didn’t answer the question if there was no gerrymandering and voter suppression would Texas be a purple or a bright red state? Nor did you answer the question what were the Democrats in the Senate and President Biden suppose to do about Manchin and Sinema? You blame gerrymandering and voter suppression for some voting results involving some races in Texas but ignore a simple question. You also ignore the fact that Texas elected both Cruz and Abbott and gerrymandering had nothing to do with the voting for either of these races. Was Beto a weak candidate or would Texas, without gerrymandering as an excuse, still be a solid red state? You blame the Democrats in Congress for not passing a new voting rights act while ignoring the reality of the current makeup of the Senate. I find that people who won’t answer questions but get testy instead is because they know the answers but don’t want to admit them out loud because they don’t like the answers. It just easier to ignore the questions and blame others in cases like that. As far as you telling me multiple times, if your answer back then was that Congress needs to pass a voting rights bill it wouldn’t have made any sense because you were very specific in calling out CA for not doing more. That is why I remember it because I thought what does CA have to do with anything that goes on in Texas? And I never asked. But I still don’t know what CA has to do with anything going on in Texas or how any of what ever it is it’s CA’s fault. And at this point I don’t want to know so you can keep your testiness to yourself. I gave you the answer - again. Your lack of reading comprehension is not my problem.
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Post by onelasttime on Dec 5, 2022 3:02:23 GMT
I'm 100% with you on the importance and significance of voting rights. It's never as simple or easy as vote harder or smarter. Voting should be easy and standardized. By mail, if that's what you prefer. Also, we need to remove barriers to voting in person like long lines, fewer polling places, distance to travel, the need to take time off work or arrange child care, difficult voter ID requirements etc. End gerrymandering by making redistricting independent, transparent and inclusive. The Brennan Center has some really great ideas. www.brennancenter.org/issues/gerrymandering-fair-representation/redistricting/redistricting-reformI do think, however, Manchin and Sinema share some of the blame for the inability to pass voting rights. They were not a problem for marriage rights. Voting rights simply weren’t a priority for the leadership from the big blue states because it doesn’t directly matter to their constituents. Gay marriage plays well in CA and NY, but those voters don’t give a shit about TX and GA and AZ. 😀 I shouldn’t laugh but that’s pretty funny. And that’s not true. The fact that Republicans Senators in enough numbers actually voted to pass the Marriage Act bill surprised me. I really didn’t think it would happen. But when it comes to voting rights most if not all Republicans are never going to support any kind of new voting right act. The Democrats will have to do it on their own. And they would have if it hadn’t been for Manchin & Sinema. That is the reality we are dealing with and the question is how do we get around it?
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Post by aj2hall on Dec 5, 2022 5:15:13 GMT
Great opinion on Trump's most recent attack on the constitution and a dire warning about the dangers of his post. www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2022/12/04/ruth-marcus-donald-trump-latest-outrage-is-too-dangerous-ignore/And yet, there are times when attention must be paid — if only to lay down a marker, if only (grandiose as this may sound) so historians will understand: This went too far. This cannot be allowed to stand without being denounced. I might have made this choice in the aftermath of Trump’s dinner with antisemites and Nazi sympathizers Ye (formerly known as Kanye West) and Nick Fuentes. Who could have imagined, in the time before Trump, that a former president of the United States and declared candidate for president would so sully himself and the office?
But I am moved, now, to write about Trump’s latest post, on his Truth Social network, because it is at least equally dangerous and even more insidious.
Pause to take this in. The former and would-be future president has suggested suspending the Constitution in support of his deranged belief that he won the election and that its results are subject to change. A man who took an oath to “preserve, protect and defend” the Constitution now has hijacked “our great Founders” in the service of his megalomania.
No.
This is insurrectionism by social media. Nothing — and certainly not imaginary “Fraud,” capitalized or not — “allows for the termination” of constitutional guarantees. Trump is laying the groundwork for a coup.
The episode embodies the paradox of dealing with Donald Trump. We do not want to give him oxygen, yet there are times we dare not ignore him. This is one. It should be neither excused nor forgotten.
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Post by aj2hall on Dec 5, 2022 5:21:38 GMT
The Republicans are definitely hoping his comments will be forgotten. Almost deafening silence from the Republicans. Adam Kinzinger, Liz Cheney & Lisa Murkowski criticized him. Mike Lawler said he didn't support that but fell short of criticism. David Joyce gave excuses. Previously, McCarthy said Republicans would read the Constitution when they take control of the House. Maybe he could read it to Trump. thehill.com/homenews/sunday-talk-shows/3761264-house-republican-wont-denounce-trump-over-call-to-terminate-constitutions-election-rules/www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2022/12/04/ruth-marcus-donald-trump-latest-outrage-is-too-dangerous-ignore/Trump “says a lot of things, but that doesn’t mean that it’s ever going to happen,” was the most that Rep. David Joyce (Ohio), chair of the Republican Governance Group, could choke out in response to questions by ABC’s George Stephanopoulos.www.nytimes.com/2022/12/04/us/politics/trump-constitution-republicans.htmlRepublicans were still cautious — or silent entirely — about shunning the former president-turned-2024 candidate.
An extraordinary antidemocratic statement from former President Donald J. Trump, suggesting the “termination” of the Constitution to overturn the 2020 election, drew a degree of bipartisan condemnation over the weekend, with a flood from Democrats and a trickle from Republicans.
Several Republicans did reject the comments. “Well, obviously I don’t support that,” Representative-elect Mike Lawler, a Republican who unseated Representative Sean Patrick Maloney in a suburban New York district, said on CNN’s “State of the Union” on Sunday. “The Constitution is set for a reason, to protect the rights of every American.”
“Well, he says a lot of things, but that doesn’t mean that it’s ever going to happen,” Mr. Joyce said. But Mr. Trump has followed through on many things that other Republicans insisted he did not really mean, including his effort to block the certification of Mr. Biden’s victory, which culminated in Trump supporters’ storming of the Capitol on Jan. 6, 2021.
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Post by hopemax on Dec 5, 2022 5:47:40 GMT
Liz Cheney did post on Twitter earlier today
Tonight, Lisa Murkowski also posted
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Post by aj2hall on Dec 5, 2022 12:35:17 GMT
Great opinion on the danger of Trump’s attack and the silence of the majority of Republicans, especially those in leadership heathercoxrichardson.substack.com/p/december-4-2022The leader of the Republican Party has called for “the termination of all rules, regulations, and articles, even those found in the Constitution,” and party leaders are silent.
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Post by jeremysgirl on Dec 5, 2022 12:46:31 GMT
When you see the anguish Joe Biden has had over his son's struggle with addiction and mental illness - a son who has never had nor sought public office or any advisory capacity in his father's offices - and your response is to insist that all of Hunter's issues should have been trotted out for public consumption because you don't like his dad, remember that every parent whose adult child struggles with addiction and/or mental illness can see and hear you. We see and hear you, and we see your black, shriveled heart rotting and festering inside of you. You're sad and pathetic. Disgusting. And we see you. Addiction and mental illness are diseases. Being an asshole is a choice. This. It was heartbreaking to hear that terrible phone message Joe Biden left for his son trotted out like it was a gotcha moment. Is nothing sacred? I understand if Hunter did something illegal, but the way that his addiction and illness has been maligned in the media tells me that a portion of this country thinks that having these types of illnesses is stigmatizing, but there is guilt somehow by association with a child who suffers. I have to say, as a parent of a child with a mental illness and an addiction, it is so very disheartening. That phone message broke my heart. Because I have lived it. And then to have media make a mockery of it? We have a long way to go as a society. And what's worse is that you don't understand the damage you are doing to people who truly need this help. Do you know that the more liberal your views are, the more likely you are to seek mental health and addiction treatment? Don't you even care that you are shaming people into not seeking treatment that would help them cope in healthy ways? Ways that would improve their families and make our society stronger?
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Post by Merge on Dec 5, 2022 13:59:31 GMT
When you see the anguish Joe Biden has had over his son's struggle with addiction and mental illness - a son who has never had nor sought public office or any advisory capacity in his father's offices - and your response is to insist that all of Hunter's issues should have been trotted out for public consumption because you don't like his dad, remember that every parent whose adult child struggles with addiction and/or mental illness can see and hear you. We see and hear you, and we see your black, shriveled heart rotting and festering inside of you. You're sad and pathetic. Disgusting. And we see you. Addiction and mental illness are diseases. Being an asshole is a choice. This. It was heartbreaking to hear that terrible phone message Joe Biden left for his son trotted out like it was a gotcha moment. Is nothing sacred? I understand if Hunter did something illegal, but the way that his addiction and illness has been maligned in the media tells me that a portion of this country thinks that having these types of illnesses is stigmatizing, but there is guilt somehow by association with a child who suffers. I have to say, as a parent of a child with a mental illness and an addiction, it is so very disheartening. That phone message broke my heart. Because I have lived it. And then to have media make a mockery of it? We have a long way to go as a society. And what's worse is that you don't understand the damage you are doing to people who truly need this help. Do you know that the more liberal your views are, the more likely you are to seek mental health and addiction treatment? Don't you even care that you are shaming people into not seeking treatment that would help them cope in healthy ways? Ways that would improve their families and make our society stronger? Welcome back. Glad to "hear" your voice here again.
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Post by Merge on Dec 5, 2022 15:32:20 GMT
They were not a problem for marriage rights. Voting rights simply weren’t a priority for the leadership from the big blue states because it doesn’t directly matter to their constituents. Gay marriage plays well in CA and NY, but those voters don’t give a shit about TX and GA and AZ. You're right. Regrettably, some Democratic politicians have just written off states like Texas, Florida and Ohio. I think they're starting to come around to see the significance of Georgia, especially when the state gave them control of the Senate. I think there's plenty of blame to go around when it comes to voting rights. I think we should also blame the 50 Republican senators who voted against voting rights. Somewhat inexplicably, they were willing to vote with Democrats for marriage rights (as long as there were protections for religious freedom) but they refused to cooperate on voting rights. Even Manchin couldn't get them to budge on voting rights. They know their re-elections depend on gerrymandering and voter suppression. And this isn't directed at you but gerrymandering and voter suppression matter in every election, at every level. I continue to believe that if Schumer (and Biden) had been willing to turn the screws a bit, they could have gotten it done. Manchin and Sinema have no reason in their states to love gerrymandering or other forms of suppression.Cynical of me to believe this, but everyone in Washington has a price. GOP saw M&S had a price to halt voting rights legislation legislation and paid it. National Dems simply weren't willing to spend their political capital on it, the same way they don't spend their money to adequately fund and support our candidates. They've written us off.
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Post by bluebird71 on Dec 5, 2022 17:08:01 GMT
I love living in a free country. Everyone is free to openly be a dumbass and show off their dumbassery.
He can share whatever conspiracy theory, crackpot, tinfoil hat ideas he can come up with. When I know someone believes him and his treasonous ideas, that tells me what I need to know about them.
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Post by aj2hall on Dec 5, 2022 17:25:55 GMT
You're right. Regrettably, some Democratic politicians have just written off states like Texas, Florida and Ohio. I think they're starting to come around to see the significance of Georgia, especially when the state gave them control of the Senate. I think there's plenty of blame to go around when it comes to voting rights. I think we should also blame the 50 Republican senators who voted against voting rights. Somewhat inexplicably, they were willing to vote with Democrats for marriage rights (as long as there were protections for religious freedom) but they refused to cooperate on voting rights. Even Manchin couldn't get them to budge on voting rights. They know their re-elections depend on gerrymandering and voter suppression. And this isn't directed at you but gerrymandering and voter suppression matter in every election, at every level. I continue to believe that if Schumer (and Biden) had been willing to turn the screws a bit, they could have gotten it done. Manchin and Sinema have no reason in their states to love gerrymandering or other forms of suppression.Cynical of me to believe this, but everyone in Washington has a price. GOP saw M&S had a price to halt voting rights legislation legislation and paid it. National Dems simply weren't willing to spend their political capital on it, the same way they don't spend their money to adequately fund and support our candidates. They've written us off. I agree. They managed to pass the Inflaction Act by giving a concession to Manchin on the pipeline. Surely there was something the Democrats could do bribe both of them. Both probably have a price. Democratic leadership might not have been willing to pay that price. Or instead of a carrot, they could have threatened taking away committee positions or in Manchin's case, chair of the Energy committee.
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Post by Merge on Dec 6, 2022 0:28:29 GMT
I’ll just throw this in here as well. I’m sure if our “independent (and heavily GOP gerrymandered) state legislature” sides with this guy’s call and others to have their elections thrown out, voting harder will make all the difference. www.texastribune.org/2022/12/02/texas-house-election-challenge/For those who aren’t aware, regular elections in Texas have a substantial early voting period, extended hours, etc. Special elections are usually one-day deals. Re-doing an election heavily benefits candidates who rely on votes from those who can make themselves available during a 12-hour window on one day, and disadvantages those who typically get a bump from those who show up to vote in higher profile races. National voting rights legislation might have prevented some of these specious challenges, which may take up significant time in the TX lege’s already limited time in session.
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Post by aj2hall on Dec 6, 2022 1:46:06 GMT
Interesting letter to the editor on a worst case scenario if we make the mistake of electing Trump again www.nytimes.com/2022/12/05/opinion/letters/trump-constitution.htmlTo the Editor:
The call over the weekend by former President Donald Trump for the “termination” of rules in the Constitution in order to reinstate him to the White House based on his bogus claim of election fraud makes one wonder how, if he is re-elected, he would handle the two-term constitutional restriction.
Marshall H. Tanick Minneapolis The writer is a lawyer.
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