pilcas
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Post by pilcas on Dec 10, 2022 16:27:55 GMT
I still haven't watched it and most likely wont now --- that clip with her blabbering about not knowing to curtsey just drives me mad. At the end of the day, I dont feel like I can believe anything that comes out of their mouth. It seems to me they will say whatever they need to, at a moments notice, without any thought of what events actually happened. When Mary, now Of Denmark was to marry the crown prince she was given lessons on royal protocol. i can’t imagine that Meagan was not offered the same instruction. I rather think she didn’t want to follow protocol.
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Post by birukitty on Dec 10, 2022 16:58:47 GMT
Do any of the first three episodes explain how the poor dog broke both of his front legs? 😢 This is what I wanted to know to as soon as I saw that poor dog with the casts on both of his legs. I haven't seen the 3rd episode yet so I don't know. They didn't explain it in the first two.
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Post by birukitty on Dec 10, 2022 17:16:55 GMT
I still haven't watched it and most likely wont now --- that clip with her blabbering about not knowing to curtsey just drives me mad. At the end of the day, I dont feel like I can believe anything that comes out of their mouth. It seems to me they will say whatever they need to, at a moments notice, without any thought of what events actually happened. When Mary, now Of Denmark was to marry the crown prince she was given lessons on royal protocol. i can’t imagine that Meagan was not offered the same instruction. I rather think she didn’t want to follow protocol. From what I've read Megan was offered this and she clashed with the woman who gave her the lessons. The monarchy is a thousand year old institution in Britain. It's logical to think they would have offered an American (or really anyone) coming in to join the Royal family lessons in everything that would be expected of her. I believe Megan is a narcissist who believes her way is the right way and the only way. This is my own theory. I think she thought she was going to come in there and do things the way she wanted. She was probably shocked that she couldn't manipulate her way (narcissists are master manipulators) into changing what she wanted to change regarding royal life. On top of that she had to live with the horrific press coverage and I think (again all of this is my theory) she decided it was time to bail. I believe she manipulated Harry into leaving the royal family (I do believe they love each other) and moving to the USA.
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Post by birukitty on Dec 10, 2022 17:23:34 GMT
I watched the first episode. I'm still trying to figure out what their angle is with this show. Control the narrative so that the media has less influence? Make money obviously. Trash the royals as revenge? Idk but it all seems very classless. One thing I can't figure out, why did they name their daughter after the Queen?? Classless-you've hit the nail on the head. That's what I think of them too. I remember reading that when they went back to England and visited the Queen with their family, that they wanted a photo of the Queen and Lillibet together (just the two of them) and the Queen said no. You've got to ask yourself-if Harry and the Queen were so close why would his own grandmother say no to a photo with her great-granddaughter. I really liked the Queen-thought she was a very wise, intelligent and certainly hard working, dedicated woman. In my mind I think she saw it as a money grabbing gesture.
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Post by gar on Dec 10, 2022 17:24:55 GMT
From what I've read Megan was offered this and she clashed with the woman who gave her the lessons. The monarchy is a thousand year old institution in Britain. It's logical to think they would have offered an American (or really anyone) coming in to join the Royal family lessons in everything that would be expected of her. The Queen offered to have Sophie Wessex spend time with her and show her the ropes but she turned that down.
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Post by birukitty on Dec 10, 2022 17:29:05 GMT
From what I've read Megan was offered this and she clashed with the woman who gave her the lessons. The monarchy is a thousand year old institution in Britain. It's logical to think they would have offered an American (or really anyone) coming in to join the Royal family lessons in everything that would be expected of her. The Queen offered to have Sophie Wessex spend time with her and show her the ropes but she turned that down. So no one at all explained to her anything that was going to happen, what her duties were, how to dress etc? Megan didn't have any advisors, no help at all? No servants to help her dress, provide advice? Just youtube?
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Post by gar on Dec 10, 2022 17:51:40 GMT
The Queen offered to have Sophie Wessex spend time with her and show her the ropes but she turned that down. So no one at all explained to her anything that was going to happen, what her duties were, how to dress ect? Megan didn't have any advisors, no help at all? No servants to help her dress, provide advice? Just YouTube? Well she had a boyfriend who's in the know...
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Post by birukitty on Dec 10, 2022 18:18:33 GMT
So no one at all explained to her anything that was going to happen, what her duties were, how to dress ect? Megan didn't have any advisors, no help at all? No servants to help her dress, provide advice? Just YouTube? Well she had a boyfriend who's in the know... That's true.
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Post by MichyM on Dec 10, 2022 18:22:01 GMT
Do any of the first three episodes explain how the poor dog broke both of his front legs? 😢 This is what I wanted to know to as soon as I saw that poor dog with the casts on both of his legs. I haven't seen the 3rd episode yet so I don't know. They didn't explain it in the first two. Haven't watched but based on this thread I googled. There is no explanation online. Apparently it happened during a holiday season a few years ago.
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Post by Bridget in MD on Dec 10, 2022 18:22:15 GMT
Well she had a boyfriend who's in the know... That's true. I thought Lady Susan Hussey (spelling?) - the one that is in the news last week for making racist remarks - was the one who supposedly showed Meghan the ropes?
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Post by amp on Dec 10, 2022 19:29:58 GMT
I thought Lady Susan Hussey (spelling?) - the one that is in the news last week for making racist remarks - was the one who supposedly showed Meghan the ropes? Lady Susan is a definite racist, but I don't think she was ever supposed to show Meghan the ropes. The only one I can remember was Sophie, and Meghan declined that help. Sophie -- who DOESN'T love Sophie? My guess -- and it is just a guess -- is that she wanted to do things "her way"...and that's not how it works in the monarchy.
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Post by bc2ca on Dec 10, 2022 20:04:56 GMT
Wow, you are a tough bunch. If the worst thing about the documentary was Meghan making fun of herself not knowing how to curtsy (and based on the SM commentary and here it is) then you all must be so disappointed. FWIW, a timeline matters as this happened before H&M were engaged. Just like Diana, Kate, Fergie, etc., the RF didn't take any of them under the wing of the Firm until after they were engaged. I'm giving M a pass on the bare feet and ripped jeans, too, since that is how you are likely to find me when hosting. Definitely barefoot inside with flip flops added if we head outside. Bare feet does not equal dirty feet. The timeline isn't really clear when the dinner took place, but the impression I had is that it was after she spent time with/met some of H's oldest friends (Eton boys) and his cousins. If she found them relaxed and casual outside formal events, it is reasonable to have had the same expectation of W&K. And H is 100% blame if there was an actual reason for outrage. I think what I found most interesting about the first half of the series was meeting her niece, Ashleigh. And realizing her half-sister Samantha was a much more horrid person than I previously understood.
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Post by pjaye on Dec 10, 2022 23:49:52 GMT
If the worst thing about the documentary was Meghan making fun of herself not knowing how to curtsy (and based on the SM commentary and here it is) then you all must be so disappointed. Oh that's far from the worst thing about it...it was just one thing I was incredulous at...watching Harry silently letting his wife disrespect his grandmother who was nothing but loving to him his entire life. The "worst thing" is the combined 6 hours of them shitting all over his family yet again, simply so they make money from it. Harry's very own words "it's amazing what people will do for money" and I'm equally amazed how often some people will do it.
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Post by pjaye on Dec 11, 2022 0:46:31 GMT
I see the trailer has been released for the next 3 episodes...they'll be able to use that as their audition tape for Dancing With the Stars in a couple of years time.
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Post by lesserknownpea on Dec 11, 2022 1:29:22 GMT
Wow, you are a tough bunch. If the worst thing about the documentary was Meghan making fun of herself not knowing how to curtsy (and based on the SM commentary and here it is) then you all must be so disappointed. FWIW, a timeline matters as this happened before H&M were engaged. Just like Diana, Kate, Fergie, etc., the RF didn't take any of them under the wing of the Firm until after they were engaged. I'm giving M a pass on the bare feet and ripped jeans, too, since that is how you are likely to find me when hosting. Definitely barefoot inside with flip flops added if we head outside. Bare feet does not equal dirty feet. The timeline isn't really clear when the dinner took place, but the impression I had is that it was after she spent time with/met some of H's oldest friends (Eton boys) and his cousins. If she found them relaxed and casual outside formal events, it is reasonable to have had the same expectation of W&K. And H is 100% blame if there was an actual reason for outrage. I think what I found most interesting about the first half of the series was meeting her niece, Ashleigh. And realizing her half-sister Samantha was a much more horrid person than I previously understood. Yes, I definitely came away with an even bigger dislike for Samantha. I do wish, in hindsight, that they could have disobeyed the “guidance” and invited Ashleigh, anyway. That foul woman never shut up at all, and it would have been so nice for her niece to be there. And considering how it all fell out with her Dad, too. That was chilling when they finally got that text from his phone, and it appeared it was from someone else, not her father. I can’t imagine all the feelings she was having during those days leading up to the wedding. I really found the first three episodes quite harmless. I do wonder if the next batch will continue like this or get darker.
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Post by pjaye on Dec 11, 2022 1:49:46 GMT
I do wish, in hindsight, that they could have disobeyed the “guidance” and invited Ashleigh, anyway. That lie has already been countered. I didn't believe it when I heard it, she literally had ONE person at the wedding, anyone with an ounce of compassion would have been embarrassed for her. I do not believe they stopped her inviting the only other person she knew. Nope, did not happen. They both got to invite celebrities they had never met, but "they" refuse to let her invite her niece. Of course they could invite anyone they wanted, they aren't prisoners in a 3rd world country. Catherine even had her quite problematic Uncle Gary at her wedding. I cannot understand how people are still falling for their lies. archive.ph/145F9#selection-1041.0-1079.648
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Post by lesserknownpea on Dec 11, 2022 3:33:26 GMT
Gotta love those “royal sources”.
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Post by pjaye on Dec 11, 2022 8:58:31 GMT
Gotta love those “royal sources”. The days of people at the palace sitting back and saying nothing died with the Queen. H&M would have interreacted with hundreds of people in their time in the royal family - they aren't all going to keep their mouths shut, especially not the people who did the jobs that H&M claim they didn't. Plus it's no co-incidence, that they never put themselves in a situation where no-one asks them any follow up questions or challenges what they say in any way...because their stories would fall apart pretty fast under questioning. And finally the Queen was the successful and popular head of the Commonwealth for a 70 years, it doesn't even make sense that she & others would want the new fiancé of her much loved Grandson to flounder and look bad. It was in all of their best interests for Meghan to be successful in the role and I have zero doubt that she was offered all the help she could have wanted. But we all saw how she reacted at the walkabout before the funeral, there were security there and she had to be asked 3 times to hand over the flowers she was carrying...it wasn't until Harry told her that she finally did. She wants to do it all her way and thinks she knows better.
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Post by gar on Dec 11, 2022 10:29:47 GMT
Gotta love those “royal sources”. There are genuine, close, authorised royal sources and there are also people like, for one, a guy called Gyles Brandreth who is friends with King Charles, he's a broadcaster and was an MP and has spent a lot of time with the Royal family privately and while he doesn't divulge personal stuff he is able to talk about conversations that he's had with Charles, The Queen etc and does have genuine insights into some of this sort of thing.
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joelise
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Post by joelise on Dec 11, 2022 10:49:47 GMT
Apparently the Royal aides, who Megan bullied, are trying to get their No disclosure agreements cancelled so they can tell the truth about her bullying.
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oh yvonne
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Post by oh yvonne on Dec 11, 2022 16:38:59 GMT
Ok you guys..follow Kathy Griffin on Tiltok..omg lol. She’s just posted the first of what I hope to be many more posts about H&M. 😂😂. Nothing big yet, just some “things that make you ho hmmm” sort of thing.
She just started watching and already she has thoughts. Everyone is commenting for her to post more. This is gonna get hilarious.
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Post by gar on Dec 11, 2022 17:10:12 GMT
Ok you guys..follow Kathy Griffin on Tiltok..omg lol. She’s just posted the first of what I hope to be many more posts about H&M. 😂😂. Nothing big yet, just some “things that make you ho hmmm” sort of thing. She just started watching and already she has thoughts. Everyone is commenting for her to post more. This is gonna get hilarious. Who is Kathy Griffin…yes I know I could google…
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Post by MichyM on Dec 11, 2022 17:24:07 GMT
Ok you guys..follow Kathy Griffin on Tiltok..omg lol. She’s just posted the first of what I hope to be many more posts about H&M. 😂😂. Nothing big yet, just some “things that make you ho hmmm” sort of thing. She just started watching and already she has thoughts. Everyone is commenting for her to post more. This is gonna get hilarious. Who is Kathy Griffin…yes I know I could google… She is another of our country’s (in my opinion) very tactless and tasteless comedians. That said, I don’t pay attention to her, so I cannot speak to anything specific she’s put out recently.
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Post by gar on Dec 11, 2022 17:29:45 GMT
Who is Kathy Griffin…yes I know I could google… She is another of our country’s (in my opinion) very tactless and tasteless comedians. That said, I don’t pay attention to her, so I cannot speak to anything specific she’s put out recently. Understood, thank you 😊
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Post by elaine on Dec 11, 2022 17:40:37 GMT
Who is Kathy Griffin…yes I know I could google… She is another of our country’s (in my opinion) very tactless and tasteless comedians. That said, I don’t pay attention to her, so I cannot speak to anything specific she’s put out recently. Sometimes I find her funny - I did love watching her with Anderson on NYE. That said, she is a comedian who DOES cross the line at times and isn't funny at all - just offensive. gar, she was the comedian who posted a picture of herself holding up the bloody head of Trump - as if he had been decapitated - on social media. It wasn't funny at all. Just horrific, offensive, and a terrible thing to do. She rightfully lost her gig at CNN with Anderson because of it.
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Post by MichyM on Dec 11, 2022 18:06:06 GMT
Ok, I googled the TikTok in question. https://www.tiktok.com/@kathygriffin/video/7175303709700803882
Personally I don’t find it funny. Nor do I find it to be offensive. It just simply “is.” Like a conversation one might have with friends… I don't quite understand why she put it on TikTok, but I don’t even begin to understand why a lot of people do many different things 😉
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Post by Jennifer C on Dec 12, 2022 1:00:24 GMT
Bethenny Frankle made a video about H&M. Jennifer
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Post by bc2ca on Dec 12, 2022 3:52:38 GMT
The "worst thing" is the combined 6 hours of them shitting all over his family yet again It definitely wasn't 6 hours of them bashing his family. As I said upthread, we were introduced to Ashleigh and learned a lot more about Samantha. I also enjoyed hearing from Doria and a couple of Harry's friends. It was especially poignant to hear from Harry's Eton classmate that lived the horror of the the press scrums after Diana's death. Harry addressed his own mistakes, especially wearing the Nazi costume, and how he responded to it. I am not familiar with David Olusoga and found his interview/commentary interesting enough to search out more about him and his work. It definitely wasn't 6 hours of them shitting all over his family no matter how much you wish it had been.
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Post by pjaye on Dec 12, 2022 4:57:55 GMT
It definitely wasn't 6 hours of them shitting all over his family no matter how much you wish it had been. I stand corrected, the next 3 hours haven't aired yet so it's only been 3 hours so far. Glad you brought up the Nazi uniform though. So yes Harry said it was the biggest mistake of his life. He says he spoke to a Rabbi in England and then went to Berlin & spoke to a Holocausts survivor, and he said he learnt from it and will go forth and educate others. Ok good for him - even if it took him 20 years to acknowledge it. And I'm sure you'll agree that the Holocaust was horrific, millions died, and using the costume of the Nazi party as a "fun" thing to dress up as was VERY offensive, not only to Jewish people, but also to millions of others all over the world. BUT people who he offended took their time to speak to him and educate him, and he seems to think he's been forgiven...and if he has that's very gracious of all those people. Then we move to the story about Meghan's father. A newspaper offered him a deal, in exchange for him letting them take some photos of him, they would pay him a sum of money & he agreed. Nothing illegal, he didn't commit a crime, he was offered money to do a 'job' and he took it. He got caught out and his daughter didn't like it - fair enough, I would probably have been annoyed too in her position. But it he didn't offend people world wide, and his photos didn't make light of any atrocities So what was so unforgivable to them that they have completely cut him out of their lives? The woman who was married to a Jewish man and is now marrying a man who dressed as a Nazi for fun - can't extend any grace to her father, for his poor judgment and lack of discretion? I'd say if Harry can be forgiven and thinks he can learn from his mistakes and be better going forwards - why can't HE extend that same compassion he was given to someone else? Meghan has been complaining for years that no-one gave her lessons in being 'Royal" so none of the stuff that went wrong was her fault. Then surely that applies to her father as well, he didn't know it was such a big deal, so why can't she forgive him for being caught up in something he didn't fully understand. Why can't they accept his apology? They're hypocrites pure and simple. They think if they make mistakes and apologies they can move on, but as we've seen they don't give that same grace to anyone else who they feel has wronged them. She did an entire podcast about her hurt feelings...and I'm betting we'll get a revival of "Kate made me cry" in one or more of the next 3 episodes.
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oh yvonne
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Post by oh yvonne on Dec 12, 2022 5:54:52 GMT
Ok you guys..follow Kathy Griffin on Tiltok..omg lol. She’s just posted the first of what I hope to be many more posts about H&M. 😂😂. Nothing big yet, just some “things that make you ho hmmm” sort of thing. She just started watching and already she has thoughts. Everyone is commenting for her to post more. This is gonna get hilarious. Who is Kathy Griffin…yes I know I could google… She’s a standup comic, she got canceled after that horrible beheaded Trump fiasco. I mean like really canceled. She’s known for lampooning celebrities in a calling out sort of way. I wasn’t a big fan of hers but I feel like she’s taken such a public beating for so long I’m kinda over being mad at her. She showed up on my FY on TikTok and it seems like she’s gonna be commenting on H&M, I’m expecting her to be freaking hilarious about it.
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