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Post by auntkelly on Dec 17, 2022 16:44:02 GMT
I watched the first two episodes of the second set and found it to be pretty boring. The one thing that I thought was interesting was how they came to live in Tyler Perry’s house. He says he wrote Meghan at the time of her marriage because he felt bad for her because of the way her dad was acting. In his letter, Perry said “call me if you ever need anything.”
When Meghan and Harry were worried about their security while they were living in Canada, Meghan says “let’s call Tyler Perry.”
So even though Tyler Perry has never met Meghan and Harry, he sends a private jet to Canada and provides a home for them to live in rent free for months.
I’m really not doubting that is how things happened, but I think the whole thing is just strange.
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Post by pjaye on Dec 17, 2022 17:13:30 GMT
So even though Tyler Perry has never met Meghan and Harry, he sends a private jet to Canada and provides a home for them to live in rent free for months. I don't doubt the story, but I'm surprised at them telling it. It doesn't make them look good at all. How humiliating to be an almost 40yr prince that has to be rescued by a rich good looking older man? That's not how the fairytale is meant to go You make this big decision and yet have no plans, nowhere to go and no place to live...and your wife phones some man she's never met or spoken to while "sobbing" and he organizes a plane, a house, and security for you? Harry saying "I had to keep my family safe"...no dude, she rang some other man and HE did it. Harry has millions of dollars of his own inherited money, but he couldn't organise a place for his family to go? Tyler Perry is also single, and maybe he's setting himself up to be husband no.3?
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Post by **GypsyGirl** on Dec 17, 2022 17:42:45 GMT
You make this big decision and yet have no plans, nowhere to go and no place to live... I've read that they never really intended to leave the Royal family, but were certain that their star power was so great the Queen would allow them to do it their way with one foot in and one foot out. Perhaps when that didn't happen they were caught flat footed and had no plans? Then again, it could all be another one of their versions of their 'true story'. 🤷🏼♀️ She is known for expecting freebies because of her 'importance'. Tyler Perry is also single, and maybe he's setting himself up to be husband no.3? Run Tyler Run!!!
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Post by elaine on Dec 17, 2022 23:53:11 GMT
I just saw a newsclip where H & M are blaming a miscarriage on the media because of the stress the media placed on them.
In the USA they estimate that at least 750,000 pregnancies end in miscarriage EACH YEAR. Is the media to blame for all of them? How?
I don’t mean to make light of miscarriages - I’ve had one. But the very sad truth is that 10-20% of all pregnancies end in miscarriage - and the media has nothing to do with them.
We all try to make meaning out of personal tragedies and look for someone/something to blame, but the harsh reality is that eventually we are the “victims” of statistics. My breast cancer is because 12.5% of women will have breast cancer, not because the stress of having two special needs children caused it.
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Post by pjaye on Dec 18, 2022 0:11:33 GMT
I just saw a newsclip where H & M are blaming a miscarriage on the media because of the stress the media placed on them. They blame it directly on the stress of the court case with the paper who published the letter to her father. What I don't like about that is the blame it puts on women and the idea that pregnant women can't deal with daily life and have to be cocooned away. No, women don't cause their own miscarriages by being too stressed...or too anything else either. That's a myth
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Post by mom on Dec 18, 2022 0:18:59 GMT
I just saw a newsclip where H & M are blaming a miscarriage on the media because of the stress the media placed on them. In the USA they estimate that at least 750,000 pregnancies end in miscarriage EACH YEAR. Is the media to blame for all of them? How? I don’t mean to make light of miscarriages - I’ve had one. But the very sad truth is that 10-20% of all pregnancies end in miscarriage - and the media has nothing to do with them. We all try to make meaning out of personal tragedies and look for someone/something to blame, but the harsh reality is that eventually we are the “victims” of statistics. My breast cancer is because 12.5% of women will have breast cancer, not because the stress of having two special needs children caused it. I agree....and when you add in her age, the chances of miscarriage are even greater.
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Post by pjaye on Dec 18, 2022 0:50:56 GMT
Reflecting on the "stress causing a miscarriage" ...here they are filming themselves, watching themselves on Oprah, obviously with the intention of using this video on a reality show at some point in the future. If someone showed me this picture, I'd assume it was an invasion of privacy - but no THEY filmed it themselves and put it in a show for millions of people to watch. If Harry truly believes the media hounded his mother to death and caused the death of his unborn baby...then why is he still creating content? And they did this while Meghan was pregnant again.
What's the difference...oh yeah $80 million from Netflix. In Harry's own words..."It's amazing what people will do when offered a huge amount of money to sell photos and a story"
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Post by **GypsyGirl** on Dec 18, 2022 1:33:55 GMT
Interesting article today, written by Roya Nikkhah, in The Sunday Times - Harry and Meghan want a royal summit — and an apology. Much too long to copy/paste here. Hopefully the link works, but if not you can sign up for a free account to login and read. ETA: Realized last night that if you have a subscription to Apple's News+, you are able to read this article there as well.
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Post by mom on Dec 18, 2022 2:35:49 GMT
The first line makes me laugh. They've literally made themselves available for entertainment and want to complain because people see them as such? LOL “It is like living through a soap opera where everyone else views you as entertainment,” the Duke of Sussex said about life in the royal family, during six hours of prime-time, “Kardashian-style” Netflix access into Harry and Meghan’s world of “truth”.
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Post by leftturnonly on Dec 18, 2022 5:53:57 GMT
here they are filming themselves, watching themselves Reminds me of
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camcas
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Post by camcas on Dec 18, 2022 7:43:13 GMT
I think Oscar Wilde said it best…” the only thing worse than being talked about is not being talked about” It’s a hard pass from me
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Post by smasonnc on Dec 18, 2022 16:07:03 GMT
"Soap Oprah" That's one I hadn't heard. If victimhood were a sacrament, they'd be cannonized.
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Post by pinklady on Dec 18, 2022 16:54:43 GMT
So disgusting. Burn it down!
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Post by christinec68 on Dec 18, 2022 18:25:57 GMT
^^^that person is unhinged!
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Post by wordfish on Dec 18, 2022 18:33:26 GMT
I see this so differently from (apparently) most of you. So differently. What I see more than anything, and I see it with in-person discussions, here on this thread, pretty much everywhere, is a teeth-baring misogyny toward Meghan. Racism? Yes, that also but from my perspective that is secondary.
I have some questions of my own and I do not agree with everything they have done, but I shake my head at a lot of the vitriol directed toward Meghan.
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Post by peasapie on Dec 18, 2022 19:17:47 GMT
I see this so differently from (apparently) most of you. So differently. What I see more than anything, and I see it with in-person discussions, here on this thread, pretty much everywhere, is a teeth-baring misogyny toward Meghan. Racism? Yes, that also but from my perspective that is secondary. I have some questions of my own and I do not agree with everything they have done, but I shake my head at a lot of the vitriol directed toward Meghan. Yeah I mostly stay away from the royal stuff here and elsewhere, but I agree with you. The Meghan and Harry hatred has become a sport these days, one that I don't enjoy reading about. I didn't watch the series, but I also don't care for the negativity.
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Post by gar on Dec 18, 2022 19:27:15 GMT
I see this so differently from (apparently) most of you. So differently. What I see more than anything, and I see it with in-person discussions, here on this thread, pretty much everywhere, is a teeth-baring misogyny toward Meghan. Racism? Yes, that also but from my perspective that is secondary. I have some questions of my own and I do not agree with everything they have done, but I shake my head at a lot of the vitriol directed toward Meghan. Yeah I mostly stay away from the royal stuff here and elsewhere, but I agree with you. The Meghan and Harry hatred has become a sport these days, one that I don't enjoy reading about. I didn't watch the series, but I also don't care for the negativity. Nor do I enjoy hearing/reading what they say about the RF and all the negativity they give out.
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Post by amp on Dec 18, 2022 19:37:03 GMT
^^^that person is unhinged! Agreed. She's obnoxious (and Harry is not all there), but that person is nuts.
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Post by amp on Dec 18, 2022 19:39:26 GMT
Yeah I mostly stay away from the royal stuff here and elsewhere, but I agree with you. The Meghan and Harry hatred has become a sport these days, one that I don't enjoy reading about. I didn't watch the series, but I also don't care for the negativity. Nor do I enjoy hearing/reading what they say about the RF and all the negativity they give out. Yes!! I totally agree. Do they want us to not like the BRF? Why can't they just move on with their lives and be happy? And the BRF can move on with *their* lives and their work. I"m so impressed (but not surprised) that the BRF is not fighting back.
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Post by gar on Dec 18, 2022 19:48:36 GMT
^^^that person is unhinged! Agreed. She's obnoxious (and Harry is not all there), but that person is nuts. No, he's just paid a lot to write deliberately provocative stuff in a trashy newspaper.
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Post by bc2ca on Dec 18, 2022 19:54:12 GMT
So disgusting. Burn it down! Jeremy Clarkson, is one of the many that has a special friendship with Camilla. I have some questions of my own and I do not agree with everything they have done, but I shake my head at a lot of the vitriol directed toward Meghan. I really don't understand why everyone has to take sides. Being happy for Harry and Meghan doesn't mean I hate William and Catherine. Sadly, I do think the RF cares more about protecting the Firm more than any individual-who-isn't-the-heir's happiness. As a mother, I can't imagine how you raise a happy family where the oldest child is always treated differently and special. I don't think William cares because he is the heir and sees George as entitled with the same birthright. I sincerely hope Catherine makes sure her spares aren't made to feel second class their entire life. Because I don't think either Charlotte or Louis will be having any of it.
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Post by wordfish on Dec 18, 2022 20:51:08 GMT
Nor do I enjoy hearing/reading what they say about the RF and all the negativity they give out. Yes!! I totally agree. Do they want us to not like the BRF? Why can't they just move on with their lives and be happy? And the BRF can move on with *their* lives and their work. I"m so impressed (but not surprised) that the BRF is not fighting back. As I understand it, security for Harry and Meghan is pretty expensive and his inheritance and whatever she brought to the marriage would not cover it for all that long. So they made deals to earn their own money. This is one of them. Should they have done it? I think that's a fair question with valid points on both sides. But I do think this is a part of them moving on with their lives. I also think that they have every right to tell their own story if they choose--if a statement was put out without Harry's permission to squash a leak that there was a row between Harry and William? Harry has every right to correct that if he wishes. That's a net neutral for me. Obviously, opinions on that will differ. I think anyone who believes the Royal Family is not fighting back is naive. They have already begun.
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Post by bc2ca on Dec 18, 2022 21:07:43 GMT
I"m so impressed (but not surprised) that the BRF is not fighting back. Wow, talk about missing the point. The BRF is fighting back hard. They just aren't putting their names on the statements. Who do you think the "Royal sources" are?
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Post by wordfish on Dec 18, 2022 21:24:47 GMT
I"m so impressed (but not surprised) that the BRF is not fighting back. Wow, talk about missing the point. The BRF is fighting back hard. They just aren't putting their names on the statements. Who do you think the "Royal sources" are? For me, this was one of the more illuminating parts of the Netflix series. Harry confirmed how the system works. It was already pretty obvious for people who follow British Royal Family news closely--that thing he (or it could have been Meghan) talked about where the different principals' offices sort of betray each others' principals when a bad story comes out about their own. They trade information about other principals to get their own principal's bad news/behavior out of the news. You can definitely see that if you watch carefully. But they actually confirmed it. It's something Diana alluded to in her interviews also, I believe.
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Post by wordfish on Dec 18, 2022 21:27:49 GMT
In terms of the accusations of hypocrisy that the tabloid press have created and run with, Harry and Meghan issued the following statement:
"The Duke and Duchess have never cited privacy as the reason for stepping back," the statement reads. "This distorted narrative was intended to trap the couple into silence. In fact, their statement announcing their decision to step back mentions nothing of privacy and reiterates their desire to continue their roles and public duties. Any suggestion otherwise speaks to a key point of this series."
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Post by mom on Dec 18, 2022 21:48:20 GMT
I see this so differently from (apparently) most of you. So differently. What I see more than anything, and I see it with in-person discussions, here on this thread, pretty much everywhere, is a teeth-baring misogyny toward Meghan. Racism? Yes, that also but from my perspective that is secondary. I have some questions of my own and I do not agree with everything they have done, but I shake my head at a lot of the vitriol directed toward Meghan. Can you give a specific example of misogyn toward Meghan thats been posted here? Most everyone liked her at some point in the past and wanted her to do well.
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Post by wordfish on Dec 18, 2022 21:55:44 GMT
I see this so differently from (apparently) most of you. So differently. What I see more than anything, and I see it with in-person discussions, here on this thread, pretty much everywhere, is a teeth-baring misogyny toward Meghan. Racism? Yes, that also but from my perspective that is secondary. I have some questions of my own and I do not agree with everything they have done, but I shake my head at a lot of the vitriol directed toward Meghan. Can you give a specific example of misogyn toward Meghan thats been posted here? Most everyone liked her at some point in the past and wanted her to do well. Certainly (just went back to confirm and yup). However, I am not an idiot, know the drill here or at least I think I do if it's not changed much, and it would miss the point.
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Post by mom on Dec 18, 2022 22:04:40 GMT
Can you give a specific example of misogyn toward Meghan thats been posted here? Most everyone liked her at some point in the past and wanted her to do well. Certainly (just went back to confirm and yup). However, I am not an idiot, know the drill here or at least I think I do if it's not changed much, and it would miss the point. Im not quite sure while you are taking this stance with me. I have never done anything to you and asked a simple question so I can learn. I don't see people here being misogynistic against Meghan. Dislike? Yes. But misogynistic is implying she isn't like because she is a woman. I don't see that on the 2 Peas board. Other places, yes. But not here.
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Post by bc2ca on Dec 18, 2022 22:05:14 GMT
Can you give a specific example of misogyn toward Meghan thats been posted here? Most everyone liked her at some point in the past and wanted her to do well. I can't be bothered to look at what has been posted in this specific thread, but plenty have expressed their belief that Meghan should be blamed for Harry leaving, as if it wasn't what he wants, which is pretty classic misogyny. Calling it Megxit and making her the bad one rather than listening to what Harry is saying and accepting they are equal partners in their relationship and decisions. I'm pretty sure someone said they'd wished he married a quiet, motherly type instead of a beautiful, accomplished woman.
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Post by wordfish on Dec 18, 2022 22:17:12 GMT
Certainly (just went back to confirm and yup). However, I am not an idiot, know the drill here or at least I think I do if it's not changed much, and it would miss the point. Im not quite sure while you are taking this stance with me. I have never done anything to you and asked a simple question so I can learn. I don't see people here being misogynistic against Meghan. Dislike? Yes. But misogynistic is implying she isn't like because she is a woman. I don't see that on the 2 Peas board. Other places, yes. But not here. I do see it here. You apparently do not. It's not a completely black-and-white thing. I don't see the point in me calling people out other than to start a fight. Surely you understand that is what would likely happen. That is the stance I am taking with you: Can I? Yes. Will I? No. If you see it elsewhere, then you already understand. Misogyny, though, is more complex than "she isn't liked because she is a woman." Here is a blatantly misogynistic asshole: www.theguardian.com/media/2022/dec/18/jeremy-clarkson-condemned-meghan-column-the-sunIt's not always that blatant. I think it's likely a lot of people don't even realize their views are rooted in misogyny. I learned a new "word" today, though I'm not sure it's official (it might be): misogynoir. LOTTA that going on surrounding Meghan.
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