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Post by uksue on Jan 4, 2023 20:11:04 GMT
Aw, look at TFG, pretending to be relevant. That's adorable. TFG? The fat git? Lol
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Post by onelasttime on Jan 4, 2023 20:15:01 GMT
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Jan 4, 2023 20:23:05 GMT
Too bad the GOP refuses to do the true will of 'we the people'
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Jan 4, 2023 20:25:35 GMT
Who is the woman speaking now in the blue and white dress?
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Post by Gem Girl on Jan 4, 2023 20:30:16 GMT
Aw, look at TFG, pretending to be relevant. That's adorable. TFG? The fat git? Lol TFG = "The Former Guy," but The Fat Grifter works, too. (Grin) What's a git?
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Post by onelasttime on Jan 4, 2023 20:30:58 GMT
Ah, now they are playing the victim card blaming the “other” side.
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Jan 4, 2023 20:36:56 GMT
Ah, now they are playing the victim card blaming the “other” side. Note that they then panned to the house and from what I saw, there didn't appear to be any blankets or popcorn.
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Post by hopemax on Jan 4, 2023 20:51:42 GMT
The core problem is the divisiveness that led to this stands in the way of realistic, quick solutions. Most people won't participate in their own hanging, nor should they. And as voters we need to recognize that a lot of the scenarios require somebody to do that. Any Republican that votes for a Democratic solution or person will be at *minimum* primaried. But since the divisiveness is coming in large part from voters, those people could easily find themselves unable to run for any public office, and even difficult to find other employment or even safety in their own homes in their district if the wrong people get mad enough about them voting for enemy traitors. Ethics seem so simple, but we've crossed over into your family is at actual risk of harm now. For the most part, Representatives are regular people who don't have the resources to guarantee their families are safe. So they will remain safely in the crowd of the like-minded, than stick their necks out to be chopped off.
Democrats voting for McCarthy or another Republican speeds up the clock on all the investigations and business the GOP voters expect a GOP House to conduct. Fauci, Hunter Biden, impeachment, etc. Things that are also bad for America, and may be worse than this gridlock. As crazy as all of this is, is anybody really ready to speed up Jim Jordan chairing the Judiciary committee? Things would have to get really bad, and that isn't happening this week. The Omnibus bill that passed gave breathing room for the Democrats to make the GOP clean up its own mess. The GOP is unlikely to offer Democrats the iron-clad assurances, like Democratic committee chairmanships, that certain actions would be off the table. The Democrats should remain wise to not trust the current GOP leadership.
So the most likely outcome is still the GOP finding someone they all will support. Which first requires McCarthy to be willing to drop out. Secondly, given the GOP purges over the last several cycles, the GOP "everyone would support" is now a unicorn. Scalise is next in line, but he is also toxic to the GOPers who won in Biden districts. Same for many others. The 20 current holdouts, will try for someone from their crazy caucus.
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Post by papersilly on Jan 4, 2023 20:56:35 GMT
So even after Trump endorsed him they still vote for Jordan. I'm surprised Trump actually endorsed him and now wonder how he will act now that they didn't follow his endorsement. give it a moment. he will turn on McCarthy like he's turned on McConnell. he'll probably say that someone stole his phone and posted that message without his knowledge and that he doesn't even know who McCarthy is. you know, his usual M.O. when he wants to weasel out of something.
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Post by dizzycheermom on Jan 4, 2023 20:59:08 GMT
Definitely don't like the idea of McCarthy as Speaker but also worried how bad the alternatives will be??
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Post by onelasttime on Jan 4, 2023 21:01:28 GMT
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Jan 4, 2023 21:11:50 GMT
Can anyone explain what the 20 don't like about McCarthy? I don't like him but I am not sure what he has done to tick other Republicans off. Especially because they don't really have a viable alternative. I have never even heard of Donalds and the one speech I heard in favor of him wasn't very convincing.
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Post by Merge on Jan 4, 2023 21:13:45 GMT
Our system of government is completely broken when it can so easily be held hostage by a minority of representatives who represent a tiny minority of the people of the US. We see the same thing with Manchin and Sinema in the senate. Most Americans don't have a voice any more. We're all run by a small group of grifters and gamesmen who represent the views of the absolute worst of us - the racists, the bigots, the religious fascists.
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Post by Merge on Jan 4, 2023 21:14:44 GMT
Can anyone explain what the 20 don't like about McCarthy? I don't like him but I am not sure what he has done to tick other Republicans off. Especially because they don't really have a viable alternative. I have never even heard of Donalds and the one speech I heard in favor of him wasn't very convincing. That's the whole thing - even Republicans say the 20 can't articulate what it is they want from leadership. Dan Crenshaw was on Fox bitching about it last night. They're simply anarchists.
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Post by hop2 on Jan 4, 2023 21:18:04 GMT
This should be an embarrassment to Republicans in office, but it's not. Somehow they are placing blame on Democrats. Now it sounds like they are approaching the Democrats to see if they can come together to get past this. What a mess this is. the democrats have come together - behind Jeffries…
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Jan 4, 2023 21:21:02 GMT
I think whoever has the most votes should win.
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Post by Skellinton on Jan 4, 2023 21:24:36 GMT
Our system of government is completely broken when it can so easily be held hostage by a minority of representatives who represent a tiny minority of the people of the US. We see the same thing with Manchin and Sinema in the senate. Most Americans don't have a voice any more. We're all run by a small group of grifters and gamesmen who represent the views of the absolute worst of us - the racists, the bigots, the religious fascists. Tyranny of the minority. It is horrifying to be living through it, isn't it?
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Post by onelasttime on Jan 4, 2023 21:24:54 GMT
6 Times…
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Post by onelasttime on Jan 4, 2023 21:28:57 GMT
This shows you how morally bankrupt the Republicans have become.
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Post by onelasttime on Jan 4, 2023 21:36:48 GMT
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Post by aj2hall on Jan 4, 2023 21:43:42 GMT
If there were any Republicans that had some integrity 6 of them would vote for Jeffries and make him the Speaker of the House as a way to tell the other Republicans to get their damn act together and quit embarrassing themselves in front of the American People who are paying their salaries. Republicans are really unlikely to vote for a Democrat for Speaker. It would be the end of their political career, they will not get re-elected if they cooperate with the Democrats and vote for a Democratic speaker. It would de-rail their plans for endless investigations. And most of the Republicans have shown they have no integrity by their continued support of Trump. And if the tables were turned, Democrats would not vote for a Republican.
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Post by mollycoddle on Jan 4, 2023 21:50:28 GMT
Ah, now they are playing the victim card blaming the “other” side. Damn. They have a real talent for playing victim. It’s a Super Power. “Sure, we’re making absolute fools of ourselves, and sure, people watching us think that we’re morons, but look at those Dems watching us!”
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Post by Scrapper100 on Jan 4, 2023 21:54:37 GMT
If there were any Republicans that had some integrity 6 of them would vote for Jeffries and make him the Speaker of the House as a way to tell the other Republicans to get their damn act together and quit embarrassing themselves in front of the American People who are paying their salaries. Republicans are really unlikely to vote for a Democrat for Speaker. It would be the end of their political career, they will not get re-elected if they cooperate with the Democrats and vote for a Democratic speaker. It would de-rail their plans for endless investigations. And most of the Republicans have shown they have no integrity by their continued support of Trump. And if the tables were turned, Democrats would not vote for a Republican. Isn’t that part of their argument for not voting for him that he sided with the democrats on recent bills. It would be political suicide to outright vote for a Democrat at this point.
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Post by aj2hall on Jan 4, 2023 21:56:00 GMT
Can anyone explain what the 20 don't like about McCarthy? I don't like him but I am not sure what he has done to tick other Republicans off. Especially because they don't really have a viable alternative. I have never even heard of Donalds and the one speech I heard in favor of him wasn't very convincing. That's the whole thing - even Republicans say the 20 can't articulate what it is they want from leadership. Dan Crenshaw was on Fox bitching about it last night. They're simply anarchists. This exactly. The chaos is the point. I think John Boehner had it exactly right when he described the Freedom Caucus (most of the 20 are part of the Freedom Caucus). heathercoxrichardson.substack.com/p/january-3-2023Politico’s Heidi Przybyla recalled that in his 2021 memoir, former Republican speaker John Boehner said of this faction: “What they’re really interested in is chaos.… They want to throw sand in the gears of the hated federal government until it fails and they’ve finally proved that it’s beyond saving.” And they are tied tightly to right-wing media: “Every time they vote down a bill, they get another invitation to go on Fox News or talk radio,” he said. “Its a narcissistic—and dangerous—feedback loop.”
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Post by aj2hall on Jan 4, 2023 22:00:19 GMT
Ah, now they are playing the victim card blaming the “other” side. Damn. They have a real talent for playing victim. It’s a Super Power. “Sure, we’re making absolute fools of ourselves, and sure, people watching us think that we’re morons, but look at those Dems watching us!”Not only that, but the hypocrisy is astounding. I think they were almost gleeful when the Democrats couldn't get their act together and pass a big infrastructure bill. They kept pointing at the dysfunction and chaos in the Democratic Party.
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Post by uksue on Jan 4, 2023 22:30:14 GMT
TFG = "The Former Guy," but The Fat Grifter works, too. (Grin) What's a git? Sorry it's a favourite insult of mine, lol. It means idiotic, incompetent, unpleasant .It's usually used alongside another insult to compound it. 'smarmy git' for someone who is being slimey, ingratiating for instance.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Jan 4, 2023 22:32:26 GMT
Our system of government is completely broken when it can so easily be held hostage by a minority of representatives who represent a tiny minority of the people of the US. We see the same thing with Manchin and Sinema in the senate. Most Americans don't have a voice any more. We're all run by a small group of grifters and gamesmen who represent the views of the absolute worst of us - the racists, the bigots, the religious fascists. Tyranny of the minority. It is horrifying to be living through it, isn't it? It is what we've had long before today and this mess!
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Post by hop2 on Jan 4, 2023 22:32:30 GMT
Our system of government is completely broken when it can so easily be held hostage by a minority of representatives who represent a tiny minority of the people of the US. We see the same thing with Manchin and Sinema in the senate. Most Americans don't have a voice any more. We're all run by a small group of grifters and gamesmen who represent the views of the absolute worst of us - the racists, the bigots, the religious fascists. Tyranny of the minority. It is horrifying to be living through it, isn't it? Horrifying and yet I can’t help keeping track of it on every work break.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Jan 4, 2023 22:36:36 GMT
This shows you how morally bankrupt the Republicans have become. Surely Gaetz is trying to get Santos to vote for anyone but McCarthy as he promised...
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Post by mom on Jan 4, 2023 22:36:44 GMT
Definitely don't like the idea of McCarthy as Speaker but also worried how bad the alternatives will be?? This has crossed my mind more than once.
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