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Post by aj2hall on Jan 5, 2023 5:22:32 GMT
If McCarthy eventually wins, I'm really worried about what concessions he's made to get there. He got rid of the metal detectors, he agreed that he could be voted out, he agreed that his PAC wouldn't support candidates in open primaries in safe Republican seats. And those are just the ones that we know about. Aside from positions on committees, what he exactly did he promise Marjorie Taylor Greene to get her support?
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Post by aj2hall on Jan 5, 2023 5:24:13 GMT
Yes, but if you think about it... Who will/could be the Republican SOP? They are all swarmy. There's a minimal chance the Democrats could put up Jeffries as SOP, so what is the end game? The Republicans have the majority and will cripple the House of Reps as the United States of America if this continues and will be a major collapse of structure. Whoever is the Republican SOP, for the next 2 years in the House will be a shit show. But in my opinion, with no House SOP and this over and over ballot voting will be devastating if it continues, so I'm not sure what is worse. It's like another insurrection abolishing democracy, but on paper. In the end, he will be the lesser of all evils. I would be surprised if he clinches the votes tomorrow. Matt Gaetz definitely doesn't sound like he's ready to compromise. www.nytimes.com/2023/01/04/us/politics/kevin-mccarthy-house-speaker-vote-republicans.html“He’s a desperate guy whose vote share is dropping with every subsequent vote,” Mr. Gaetz said. “And I’m ready to vote all night or week or month — and never for that person.”
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Post by onelasttime on Jan 5, 2023 5:57:32 GMT
😀 The Republicans in Congress, especially the House, were very clear what they were going to do prior to the election if they got the majority. The voters spoke so we are going to have two years of chaos with very little getting done. This is the beginning and my guess it will continue to get worse.
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Post by samantha25 on Jan 5, 2023 6:44:33 GMT
The USA needs a functioning House. Let the Republicans duke it out and not pass anything for the next 2 years among themselves, like with the Obama years for what 7 of his 8 years. It's more than Mccarthy being incompetent
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Post by mollycoddle on Jan 5, 2023 10:58:49 GMT
My question for the holdouts is, what’s the plan? They’ve had a lot of time to come up with one. So what’s the plan? 🤔🤔🤔
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Post by elaine on Jan 5, 2023 11:06:52 GMT
Truthfully, I don't know who didn't vote. They can go anywhere, including home across the country. It is certainly not a good idea right now, though. My question is during voting, when the House is in session (well, not really, because we have no House) and calls for an adjournment for 3.5 hours, and folks know that there's a vote on the floor in that time frame, within 3.5 hours, why are the reps allowed to "go anywhere" when there's a vote on the floor. Where do the reps get to go? Out of state, home an hour away? The House will come back tomorrow at noon to debate. I realize they have other responsibilities in their queue, but it's the second day of Congress, and oh, my, they need a break after 4 hours of debating? I realize it's a strategy, but makes me question what happens in Congress, behind the scenes, etc., which makes me more aware of how things happen. Yes, they can go anywhere. There is no legal requirement that every single member be there and vote for every issue, including Speaker of the House, as far as I know. The various votes have to have a certain percentage of Representatives who are present and voting to pass. That is why it is so important that all the Dem Reps stay there and vote and why the Republicans would like some of them to leave. If some went home, etc., then McCarthy would need fewer votes to reach the necessary percentage. It is politically crucial for this particular vote for everyone to be there voting each time a vote is called to determine the Speaker. The ability to leave/not show up for votes is why there can be big deals made at election time about how many votes a Rep actually cast. Some Representatives are notorious for not spending as much time actually at Congress and voting as they should if they were truly representing their constituents in Congress.
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Post by elaine on Jan 5, 2023 11:09:12 GMT
My question for the holdouts is, what’s the plan? They’ve had a lot of time to come up with one. So what’s the plan? 🤔🤔🤔 Just like Healthcare, it appears that the current Republican politicians don’t have the skills or desire to come up with a plan. They are great at whining, not so competent when it comes to governing.
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Post by hop2 on Jan 5, 2023 11:22:00 GMT
My question for the holdouts is, what’s the plan? They’ve had a lot of time to come up with one. So what’s the plan? 🤔🤔🤔 This is the plan. Put the govt into chaos IS the plan.
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Post by mollycoddle on Jan 5, 2023 12:08:20 GMT
My question for the holdouts is, what’s the plan? They’ve had a lot of time to come up with one. So what’s the plan? 🤔🤔🤔 This is the plan. Put the govt into chaos IS the plan. That is true. But they should know by now how this looks to moderates and independents. This is a Democratic campaign ad waiting to happen. And maybe they don’t care. But their base is just not big enough and antics like this make them look ridiculous to everyone else. ETA: Democrats should be asking what is the plan. A lot of conservatives are already asking. But Dems should join in.
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Post by aj2hall on Jan 5, 2023 14:16:44 GMT
McCarthy caved to more demands from the 20 holdouts www.nytimes.com/live/2023/01/05/us/house-speaker-voteAfter losing a half-dozen consecutive votes for the post over two humiliating days, Mr. McCarthy privately agreed to more demands from the right-wing rebels that he had previously refused to countenance, including allowing a single lawmaker to force a snap vote at any time to oust him from the speakership, according to three people familiar with the negotiations who described them on the condition of anonymity, noting that they were ongoing and that no final deal had been reached.
The Republican leader had also committed to allowing the right-wing faction to handpick a third of the party’s members on the powerful Rules Committee, which controls what legislation reaches the floor and in what form, according to one of the people, who has been involved in the talks, as well as to opening spending bills to a freewheeling debate in which any lawmaker could propose changes, including those designed to scuttle or sink the measure.
Taken together, the concessions would weaken the speaker’s power considerably and make for an unwieldy environment in the House, where the slim Republican majority already promised to make it difficult to govern. And it was not clear the offer would be enough to corral the votes for Mr. McCarthy to prevail.
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Post by twinsmomfla99 on Jan 5, 2023 15:04:03 GMT
McCarthy caved to more demands from the 20 holdouts www.nytimes.com/live/2023/01/05/us/house-speaker-voteAfter losing a half-dozen consecutive votes for the post over two humiliating days, Mr. McCarthy privately agreed to more demands from the right-wing rebels that he had previously refused to countenance, including allowing a single lawmaker to force a snap vote at any time to oust him from the speakership, according to three people familiar with the negotiations who described them on the condition of anonymity, noting that they were ongoing and that no final deal had been reached.
The Republican leader had also committed to allowing the right-wing faction to handpick a third of the party’s members on the powerful Rules Committee, which controls what legislation reaches the floor and in what form, according to one of the people, who has been involved in the talks, as well as to opening spending bills to a freewheeling debate in which any lawmaker could propose changes, including those designed to scuttle or sink the measure.
Taken together, the concessions would weaken the speaker’s power considerably and make for an unwieldy environment in the House, where the slim Republican majority already promised to make it difficult to govern. And it was not clear the offer would be enough to corral the votes for Mr. McCarthy to prevail.Disclaimer: I know NOTHING about how the House works LOL. But..... If any member can force a snap count at any time, then couldn't a democrat do that as well? Which would mean that all the House Republicans would have to be present at all times to make sure they don't fall below the threshold that would allow a Democrat to be elected. Right? Or am I missing something? It it does work this way, the Rs are going to be pi**ed when primary season rolls around and they are stuck in DC to make sure they don't lose the speaker. Or can they just change the rule anytime they want? Either way, it sounds pretty disruptive to me. ETA: If they can change the rules at any time, how is that done? The speaker just announces it? Or the House has to vote on it? And how does this rule even come into effect? Just because the Speaker says so? Or does the House have to vote on it? Seems to me some of the more reasonable Rs would not vote in favor of this to avoid future chaos. The House rules are just weird sometimes LOL.
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Post by onelasttime on Jan 5, 2023 15:55:08 GMT
I believe that GOP guy spoke the truth…
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Post by onelasttime on Jan 5, 2023 16:05:16 GMT
Keep in mind, the American Taxpayer is paying these guys, who are doing what exactly to address the needs of the American People? Last night that Boebert person claimed they could drag this out until the cherry blossoms bloom if they don’t get what they want.
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Post by hop2 on Jan 5, 2023 16:13:31 GMT
McCarthy caved to more demands from the 20 holdouts www.nytimes.com/live/2023/01/05/us/house-speaker-voteAfter losing a half-dozen consecutive votes for the post over two humiliating days, Mr. McCarthy privately agreed to more demands from the right-wing rebels that he had previously refused to countenance, including allowing a single lawmaker to force a snap vote at any time to oust him from the speakership, according to three people familiar with the negotiations who described them on the condition of anonymity, noting that they were ongoing and that no final deal had been reached.
The Republican leader had also committed to allowing the right-wing faction to handpick a third of the party’s members on the powerful Rules Committee, which controls what legislation reaches the floor and in what form, according to one of the people, who has been involved in the talks, as well as to opening spending bills to a freewheeling debate in which any lawmaker could propose changes, including those designed to scuttle or sink the measure.
Taken together, the concessions would weaken the speaker’s power considerably and make for an unwieldy environment in the House, where the slim Republican majority already promised to make it difficult to govern. And it was not clear the offer would be enough to corral the votes for Mr. McCarthy to prevail.Disclaimer: I know NOTHING about how the House works LOL. But..... If any member can force a snap count at any time, then couldn't a democrat do that as well? Which would mean that all the House Republicans would have to be present at all times to make sure they don't fall below the threshold that would allow a Democrat to be elected. Right? Or am I missing something? It it does work this way, the Rs are going to be pi**ed when primary season rolls around and they are stuck in DC to make sure they don't lose the speaker. Or can they just change the rule anytime they want? Either way, it sounds pretty disruptive to me. ETA: If they can change the rules at any time, how is that done? The speaker just announces it? Or the House has to vote on it? And how does this rule even come into effect? Just because the Speaker says so? Or does the House have to vote on it? Seems to me some of the more reasonable Rs would not vote in favor of this to avoid future chaos. The House rules are just weird sometimes LOL. This is what I was thinking, ( I hadn’t even gotten as far as including democrats ) if any single member can force a vote the they seat a speaker, get sworn in & poof incite a re vote, lather rinse repeat. MTG can force a speaker vote literally as often as she wants. One person can hold the house hostage. In fact, the entire country held hostage by one asshole. Chaos total useless chaos I wonder if we can sue the GOP for obstructing my representation. I’m still being taxed so I want my representation .
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Post by onelasttime on Jan 5, 2023 16:16:52 GMT
Then there is this one..
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Post by Scrapper100 on Jan 5, 2023 16:18:32 GMT
Disclaimer: I know NOTHING about how the House works LOL. But..... If any member can force a snap count at any time, then couldn't a democrat do that as well? Which would mean that all the House Republicans would have to be present at all times to make sure they don't fall below the threshold that would allow a Democrat to be elected. Right? Or am I missing something? It it does work this way, the Rs are going to be pi**ed when primary season rolls around and they are stuck in DC to make sure they don't lose the speaker. Or can they just change the rule anytime they want? Either way, it sounds pretty disruptive to me. ETA: If they can change the rules at any time, how is that done? The speaker just announces it? Or the House has to vote on it? And how does this rule even come into effect? Just because the Speaker says so? Or does the House have to vote on it? Seems to me some of the more reasonable Rs would not vote in favor of this to avoid future chaos. The House rules are just weird sometimes LOL. This is what I was thinking, ( I hadn’t even gotten as far as including democrats ) if any single member can force a vote the they seat a speaker, get sworn in & poof an incite a re vote, lather rinse repeat. MYG can force a speaker vote literally as often as she wants. I’ve person can hold the house hostage. In fact, the entire country held hostage by one asshole. Chaos total useless chaos I wonder if we can sue the GOP for obstructing my representation. I’m still being taxed so I want my representation . That’s what I don’t get. I can imagine one of these 20 doing this any time something isn’t go their way. Very dangerous. Making concessions like he seems to be doing isn’t going to help him or the country in the long run. It’s nuts that 20 nuts can hold our government hostage but of course to their base I suppose they are heros. The next couple years are really going to be a }#% show.
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Post by onelasttime on Jan 5, 2023 16:29:09 GMT
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Jan 5, 2023 16:48:05 GMT
hop2I wonder if we can sue the GOP for obstructing my representation. I’m still being taxed so I want my representation.Our foundation.. Boston tea party.. We fought 'Taxation without representation', oh so long ago!!
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Post by Layce on Jan 5, 2023 17:28:57 GMT
C'mon twinsmomfla99 you know all's they have to do is THINK it. Same as declassifying documents. lol
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Post by onelasttime on Jan 5, 2023 17:39:37 GMT
Day 3 ..🍿
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Post by onelasttime on Jan 5, 2023 17:44:29 GMT
Apparently he has lost yet again. This makes #7. Now it’s getting embarrassing.
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Post by hopemax on Jan 5, 2023 17:47:45 GMT
Gaetz just went there... He voted in round #7 for TFG!
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Post by onelasttime on Jan 5, 2023 17:51:18 GMT
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Post by papersilly on Jan 5, 2023 17:53:12 GMT
Apparently he has lost yet again. This makes #7. Now it’s getting embarrassing. it was embarrassing after #2. Now it's just humiliating.
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Post by onelasttime on Jan 5, 2023 18:57:23 GMT
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Post by onelasttime on Jan 5, 2023 19:05:30 GMT
All joking aside, 8-10 moderate Republicans should vote for Jeffries and end this debacle and at the same time send a message to the Republicans to get their act together.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Jan 5, 2023 19:05:36 GMT
I don't know about FOX, but CNN did go to the live news conference in Cincinnati about Damar's current condition, which BTW is excellent. He is awake, communications in writing, responding to commands, asked about the game... Right now CNN is live with the vote counting, although talking over it..
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Post by onelasttime on Jan 5, 2023 19:24:57 GMT
Didn’t this guy dismiss trump’s call to vote for McCarthy yesterday? And here he is voting for dumpster don…
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Post by Scrapper100 on Jan 5, 2023 19:34:23 GMT
So he votes for Trump. I know many still love him but I would think more than 20 will not. I had a conversation with my colorist and she has talked with several Trumpers that will not vote for him in 2024. They still think he is great but won’t vote for him again. I was quite shocked. I can’t remember who they said they would vote for.
Also wouldn’t this be a step down for Trump? Or maybe he is starting to feel he is loosing power and this is how he thinks he will get it back?
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