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Post by jeremysgirl on Jan 28, 2023 12:37:36 GMT
I thought this was a tad bit humorous. people.com/home/marie-kondo-admits-she-has-kind-of-given-up-on-tidying-up/She has three kids now and admits her home is messy. I consider myself to be a person of average clutter. I'm not a maximalist, I'm not a minimalist. I'm somewhere in the middle. I did way back when watch a few episodes of her show. I didn't read any of her books. I feel she was very helpful for a lot of people with too much clutter. However, I think it's not just about getting rid of things but also thinking hard about the number of things you actively bring into your home. And I felt like that was inadequately addressed. Anyway, just thought this article was fun. Kids change everything. Lol. |
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Post by pilcas on Jan 28, 2023 12:49:21 GMT
I agree 100% with you. To me it’s more about not bringing in things that you will never use or use once or twice rather than decluttering. Certainly get rid of what you dislike or never use. Gifts that are not to your taste etc. But that is all worthless if you don’t think hard before you buy things.
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Post by gar on Jan 28, 2023 12:52:27 GMT
That’s hilarious 😆
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Post by peaname on Jan 28, 2023 12:59:57 GMT
How refreshing!
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Post by monklady123 on Jan 28, 2023 13:01:20 GMT
I haven't read the article yet... But, I would bet that even with three kids her house looks a whole lot better than mine did when I had only my two at home. hahaha Personally, I like Maria Kondo. I think she's cute. And she taught me how to fold towels so they look and stay neat in the closet. And my tee-shirt drawer also looks lovely. I don't quite fold underwear and bras like she suggests, but I do fold them now instead of tossing them into the drawer and they each have a box/container that keeps them neat. So this is progress. lol And she definitely got me going through my clothes and evaluating each one.  |
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Jan 28, 2023 13:23:54 GMT
Improved my tee shirt drawer and my 'pj pants'
Not a whole lot more though.
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Post by jeremysgirl on Jan 28, 2023 13:37:06 GMT
But, I would bet that even with three kids her house looks a whole lot better than mine did when I had only my two at home. It probably does. But there is a continuum of cleanliness and it is nice to see someone who is very extreme on either end of the spectrum to come a little more toward the middle. I have made progress in my own life when it comes to consumerism. But I am not immune to the pleasure of purchase, especially when it comes to my crafts. |
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Post by RedSquirrelUK on Jan 28, 2023 13:44:19 GMT
Haha! I clicked on the KonMari link in the article, and it took me to a shop full of the kind of pretty tat that I'm trying to get rid of!
Yes, children change everything, and like you, I thought it was refreshing to see someone who accepts that there is no one rule for the different stages of life. Good for her.
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Post by Spongemom Scrappants on Jan 28, 2023 14:09:47 GMT
When I had my third child a dear friend gave me a book that summed up my life at the time.
The opening read something like this:
I used to look at children with snotty noses and think I'd never let MY child look like that...
I used to see children throwing tantrums in public places and think MY child would never act like that...
I used to gasp at friend's messy houses and think I'd never let MY house look like that because of children...
And then I had kids.
Nice to see Marie is human like the rest of us.
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Post by MDscrapaholic on Jan 28, 2023 15:14:33 GMT
But, I would bet that even with three kids her house looks a whole lot better than mine did when I had only my two at home. It probably does. But there is a continuum of cleanliness and it is nice to see someone who is very extreme on either end of the spectrum to come a little more toward the middle. I have made progress in my own life when it comes to consumerism. But I am not immune to the pleasure of purchase, especially when it comes to my crafts.
This!! I think long and hard before I buy new stuff "for the house" like Christmas decorations or lights, but when it comes to my craft supplies... I want it all! No hesitation whatsoever.  |
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Post by iowgirl on Jan 28, 2023 15:23:48 GMT
I hope this message gets out there. I know a young mom who absolutely harps on her kids to keep things perfectly neat. She comes unglued if there is any kind of mess - and by mess I mean kids just having some toys out to play. I feel bad for her kids.
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Post by padresfan619 on Jan 28, 2023 16:16:19 GMT
It isn’t surprising she’s given up with the sheer amount of stuff that comes along with kids. I only have one and I feel like I’m drowning in stuff, and I have lots of friends who like to pass along stuff as well - I’m super grateful to save money on clothes and toys but sometimes I feel like a goodwill drop off station.
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Post by breetheflea on Jan 28, 2023 16:24:33 GMT
I always thought Flylady should address Flyhusband (and kids) because I can clean a "zone" and they don't care. Then I turn into a witch yelling at people messing everything up and it's not worth my mental health. It's nice to hear Marie Kondo has gotten closer to reality  I remember a big session of "letting stuff go" and the next week one of the kids had some project that only used "stuff you have laying around the house" which we now didn't have because I had recycled it or thrown it all out. You just can't win when it comes to kids and stuff |
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Post by scrapmaven on Jan 28, 2023 16:25:27 GMT
I really appreciated the way she approaches stuff w/bringing joy or tossing it. She taught me how to fold my tshirts and organize my drawers, but she's a human being and w/3 little ones she's keeping it real. Though I would love to see her definition of a messy house with kids vs. mine! The first time she steps on a lego I want to know about it.
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Post by MichyM on Jan 28, 2023 16:55:54 GMT
I had to laugh at the title of this thread, thanks for that Off to check out the link. |
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Post by FurryP on Jan 28, 2023 18:24:08 GMT
Kind of funny. Poor Marie. The only thing I learned from her is to "file" my folded clothes. Love that change. I've learned a whole lot more from The Minimal Mom on YT.
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Post by KiwiJo on Jan 28, 2023 18:53:23 GMT
Hmmm - I got kinda pissed off reading that. Where is her apology for putting unrealistic expectations on so many people (women) to keep their homes in perfect tidiness and “joy”?
There are plenty of women who now have an unrealistic view that their homes should be perfectly tidy at all times because of the tidy uncluttered movement that I think began with Marie Kondo and is continued with hundreds of other books, websites, and magazines.
Reading this thread has also reminded me how confused I get when reading about things like housekeeping where people talk about keeping things clean. Wasn’t Marie Kondo’s book about tidiness, not cleanliness? A house can be clean but not tidy, and can also, of course, be tidy but not clean….
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Post by cadoodlebug on Jan 28, 2023 19:21:53 GMT
When my sister and I were young, we had a built in clutter cutter ~ our dachshund dog! Anything that was on the floor was fair game so our house was pretty spotless. People asked my mom how she managed to get us to keep our rooms so free of stuff on the floor. It was the dog! I'm still upset that he chewed my Barbie doll's head off.  |
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Post by mimima on Jan 28, 2023 19:22:55 GMT
That made me laugh out loud
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Post by crazy4scraps on Jan 29, 2023 3:33:30 GMT
I always thought Flylady should address Flyhusband (and kids) because I can clean a "zone" and they don't care. Then I turn into a witch yelling at people messing everything up and it's not worth my mental health. It's nice to hear Marie Kondo has gotten closer to reality  I remember a big session of "letting stuff go" and the next week one of the kids had some project that only used "stuff you have laying around the house" which we now didn't have because I had recycled it or thrown it all out. You just can't win when it comes to kids and stuff Ha ha ha, YES! I can’t tell you how many times just this WEEK my craft hoard has saved the day for end of semester school projects. |
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Post by Zee on Jan 29, 2023 4:06:06 GMT
I always thought Flylady should address Flyhusband (and kids) because I can clean a "zone" and they don't care. Then I turn into a witch yelling at people messing everything up and it's not worth my mental health. It's nice to hear Marie Kondo has gotten closer to reality I remember a big session of "letting stuff go" and the next week one of the kids had some project that only used "stuff you have laying around the house" which we now didn't have because I had recycled it or thrown it all out. You just can't win when it comes to kids and stuff Ha ha ha, YES! I can’t tell you how many times just this WEEK my craft hoard has saved the day for end of semester school projects. Mine still comes in handy for things! I'm in the process of finding a place for everything again now that our basement is finished as an in-law suite, so my former craft room is now a second kitchen. I want it to continue to look nice so everything is put away in the cupboards, but I've had to be selective about what I keep. It's hard, man! |
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Post by crazy4scraps on Jan 29, 2023 4:55:08 GMT
Ha ha ha, YES! I can’t tell you how many times just this WEEK my craft hoard has saved the day for end of semester school projects. Mine still comes in handy for things! I'm in the process of finding a place for everything again now that our basement is finished as an in-law suite, so my former craft room is now a second kitchen. I want it to continue to look nice so everything is put away in the cupboards, but I've had to be selective about what I keep. It's hard, man! I know, right? I had to cut a vinyl title for a science fair project board and find graph paper and fine point markers in five colors, 3D print something for another class, come up with burgundy colored yarn for an art class weaving project and dig up some 11x17 Bristol board for an English report just off the top of my head. It’s nuts! (Even after all that I still had to go to three stores before I found a place that had a trifold display board in stock. And yes, I gave my kid a stern lecture on NOT waiting until the absolute last week before the end of the term to finish all this stuff!) |
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Post by breetheflea on Jan 29, 2023 5:00:48 GMT
Mine still comes in handy for things! I'm in the process of finding a place for everything again now that our basement is finished as an in-law suite, so my former craft room is now a second kitchen. I want it to continue to look nice so everything is put away in the cupboards, but I've had to be selective about what I keep. It's hard, man! I know, right? I had to cut a vinyl title for a science fair project board and find graph paper and fine point markers in five colors, 3D print something for another class, come up with burgundy colored yarn for an art class weaving project and dig up some 11x17 Bristol board for an English report just off the top of my head. It’s nuts! (Even after all that I still had to go to three stores before I found a place that had a trifold display board in stock. And yes, I gave my kid a stern lecture on NOT waiting until the absolute last week before the end of the term to finish all this stuff!) I stock up on trifold boards at the Dollar Tree. I learned never to let the stock run out, or someone will be assigned a last minute project and forgot until Sunday night at 9 pm |
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Post by katlady on Jan 29, 2023 5:06:25 GMT
A house can be clean but not tidy, and can also, of course, be tidy but not clean…. This is actually my mom and I. She cleans everything, but she does not organize things well so it still looks messy. But, it is clean! I on the other hand, like to organize and put things away, but I don't always dust and mop every nook and cranny. ETA - Why does the quote from KiwiJo have a date of June 2014???!!! I had to recheck to make sure this wasn't an old thread! |
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Post by crazy4scraps on Jan 29, 2023 5:07:49 GMT
I know, right? I had to cut a vinyl title for a science fair project board and find graph paper and fine point markers in five colors, 3D print something for another class, come up with burgundy colored yarn for an art class weaving project and dig up some 11x17 Bristol board for an English report just off the top of my head. It’s nuts! (Even after all that I still had to go to three stores before I found a place that had a trifold display board in stock. And yes, I gave my kid a stern lecture on NOT waiting until the absolute last week before the end of the term to finish all this stuff!) I stock up on trifold boards at the Dollar Tree. I learned never to let the stock run out, or someone will be assigned a last minute project and forgot until Sunday night at 9 pm Yup, that was the first place I went and they had NONE. 😬 They didn’t even have any sheets of foam core so I could make one myself. Then we went to Michael’s because it was the next closest place, again NO. I don’t think they even stock them there anymore although they used to. From there I ended up going to Office Max and paid a premium price for the stupid thing because her project was due in two days. 🙄 Also note that I had been carping on my kid to get going on this thing every week for FOUR MONTHS. 😡 So frustrating, but I do think the lesson was learned. |
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Post by ComplicatedLady on Jan 29, 2023 5:27:45 GMT
I love Marie Kondo and after reading her book, I got rid of a ton of clothes.
It was so freeing and I feel like I should go through more of my closet.
I don’t understand the cattiness after she’s had kids.
Kids sometimes make you feel like there are necessary items to keep on hand.
However, there are still items to get rid of that don’t spark joy.
Just because she’s had kids doesn’t mean her methodology is wrong.
Kids might make things harder to keep around or get rid of, but that doesn’t mean it’s wrong.
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Post by jeremysgirl on Jan 29, 2023 13:10:26 GMT
ComplicatedLady I was not intending by this post to bag on Marie Kondo. I just think she is evolving. And I think she could totally turn this change into a new book with a new perspective and it would be eaten up by the people who enjoyed her the first time. KiwiJo I can totally see your POV too. However, there is a point where we all have to take responsibility for the level to which we allow people to influence us. It's hard to determine where that level is, I get that. And really if the societal pressure feels like everyone is doing it, then it can be hard to escape. Especially if you feel judgment coming from your circle. And I know for me, I have a very judgemental attitude about influencers who try to dabble in any kind of mental health without the credentials to back them up. I'm a freak when it comes to toxic positivity. See my opinions on Rachel Hollis. Lol! But I think for me, Marie Kondo felt so "out there" because I don't actually know anyone who lives that way. So I don't personally know anyone who felt pressured by her or society to have a very minimalist home.
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Post by cakediva on Jan 29, 2023 13:54:13 GMT
I never Kondo'd my life. I didn't watch her show or read any of her books.
She reached the height of "you have to do this" about the time we finally hit that stage where if I saw something lovely at HomeSense, I didn't have to look at my bank balance to purchase a nice decorative accessory for my house. I could finally afford some "nice things" and dammit I was going to have them! LOL
I'm a bit of a clutterbug if you only look at my office (ok my side of the shared office, crap everywhere lol) but the rest of the house is not cluttered. Decorated? Yes!
So I ignored the wave and just kept on doing my thing lol.
(and yes, I likely have brought in WAY too much Rae Dunn stuff - but I don't care LOL)
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Post by melodyesch on Jan 29, 2023 14:57:25 GMT
Marie Kondo certainly helped my DH and I to get our house somewhat uncluttered. DH and I both had trouble getting rid of things that no longer fit our life because of how much we spent on them. Our basement was packing up! Now we recognize that the thing served it’s purpose at the time and now can go to be donated to someone else. And now we try to be aware when we buy stuff and to try to think about the entire life of the item.
But my underwear has never and will never be folded. I stick them straight into the drawer with no worries at all. So her method, just like anything else, is something where you take the parts that apply to you and use them and leave the rest. Our house is lived in and the two people who live here are comfortable. We would not let outside influences dictate how we live in our own home.
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Post by styxgirl on Jan 29, 2023 16:05:45 GMT
Very hilarious! LOL
Her book pissed me off. I was actually ANGRY after I read it!
FlyLady is way more my style. It's about baby steps, learning new routines, etc.
If I had time to declutter my entire closet in one afternoon by dragging everything out, Marie, I wouldn't be in this mess!
LOL!!
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I remember a big session of "letting stuff go" and the next week one of the kids had some project that only used "stuff you have laying around the house" which we now didn't have because I had recycled it or thrown it all out. You just can't win when it comes to kids and stuff 
I remember a big session of "letting stuff go" and the next week one of the kids had some project that only used "stuff you have laying around the house" which we now didn't have because I had recycled it or thrown it all out. You just can't win when it comes to kids and stuff 
