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Post by cindosha on Mar 28, 2023 0:46:11 GMT
Why would you think that someone that was not mentally ill would plot out entrances to the school, gather a cache of guns and ammunition and go to a school with young children and kill them??? What the hell kind of question is that?? You think normal people shoot up schools?? It doesn’t take a genius to work that one out. Not surprised, but this is a really uninformed statement. Only a small percentage of mass shooters struggle with mental illness. www.columbiapsychiatry.org/news/mass-shootings-and-mental-illnessThe reality is that people with mental illness account for a very small proportion of perpetrators of mass shootings in the U.S., says Ragy Girgis, MD, associate professor of clinical psychiatry in the Columbia University Department of Psychiatry and the New York State Psychiatric Institute.
www.nytimes.com/2022/08/22/us/mass-shootings-mental-illness.htmlWhile some mass shootings are committed by people with diagnosed mental illnesses, a life crisis is a better predictor of violence, researchers say. Blaming mass murder on mental illness is a time-honored impulse, used by law enforcement and politicians alike. Yet America’s mass killers fit no single profile and certainly no pattern of insanity — many, if not most, had never been diagnosed with a serious psychiatric disorder. www.factcheck.org/2022/05/ask-scicheck-files-the-relationship-between-mental-health-and-mass-shootings/As we explained in our article, people with mental health disorders are more likely than those without such conditions to commit acts of mass violence, but many mass shooters do not have mental illnesses. It has not been shown that mental illness is the primary cause of mass murder.
abcnews.go.com/Health/blaming-mass-shootings-nations-mental-health-crisis-harmful/story?id=84973562However, physicians, psychiatrists and other leading experts told ABC News that it is inaccurate to assert that "mental health issues" are solely or primarily responsible for the United States’ ongoing rash of gun violence.
Instead, while experts say some aspects of mental illness are associated with mass violence, they insist that it is truly a multi-layer and complex crisis, driven by a confluence of other factors as well, such as widespread access to firearms, stalled gun reform and exposure to increased stressors and crises.Link all the studies you want. They all say that there is mental illness involved. I’m not sure why you would try to excuse this shooters actions. Normal people do not shoot up schools. |
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Post by aj2hall on Mar 28, 2023 0:48:45 GMT
You are not helping. Your bullshit is not welcomed. Go away you fucking bitch Absolutely nothing I said is untrue. Not one thing. And it’s not bullshit. It’s the truth. We need to have a better system to treat the mentally ill in this country. She was mentally ill and should never have had a gun. Lots of what you said is untrue. There are a lot of assumptions and speculation in your statement. We don't know a lot about the shooter. She might be transgender, but there has been no mention of mental illness, where she lives, or her employment status. I have no idea how her income level or the average income level for the area is even relevant. |
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Post by cindosha on Mar 28, 2023 0:52:30 GMT
It’s the person doing the shooting. The guns do not shoot themselves. Let’s be clear. And this transgender, mentally ill, still living at home in a rich community, probably no real job is the one who did the shooting. She had the gun in her hands and pulled the trigger. SHE is the one who killed these people. Not the gun. SHE killed these people. NOT THE GUN. You should shut up with your bullshit. If she had not had a gun do you think she could have killed 3 children? Gun control is the answer. No other nation can boast that the NUMBER ONE CAUSE OF DEATH FOR CHILDREN IS GUN VIOLENCE. Just the United States of America. You can control guns all you want. But that is NEVER going to stop someone with mental illness and an agenda from getting hold of a gun and shooting people. |
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Post by aj2hall on Mar 28, 2023 0:52:34 GMT
Not surprised, but this is a really uninformed statement. Only a small percentage of mass shooters struggle with mental illness. www.columbiapsychiatry.org/news/mass-shootings-and-mental-illnessThe reality is that people with mental illness account for a very small proportion of perpetrators of mass shootings in the U.S., says Ragy Girgis, MD, associate professor of clinical psychiatry in the Columbia University Department of Psychiatry and the New York State Psychiatric Institute.
www.nytimes.com/2022/08/22/us/mass-shootings-mental-illness.htmlWhile some mass shootings are committed by people with diagnosed mental illnesses, a life crisis is a better predictor of violence, researchers say. Blaming mass murder on mental illness is a time-honored impulse, used by law enforcement and politicians alike. Yet America’s mass killers fit no single profile and certainly no pattern of insanity — many, if not most, had never been diagnosed with a serious psychiatric disorder. www.factcheck.org/2022/05/ask-scicheck-files-the-relationship-between-mental-health-and-mass-shootings/As we explained in our article, people with mental health disorders are more likely than those without such conditions to commit acts of mass violence, but many mass shooters do not have mental illnesses. It has not been shown that mental illness is the primary cause of mass murder.
abcnews.go.com/Health/blaming-mass-shootings-nations-mental-health-crisis-harmful/story?id=84973562However, physicians, psychiatrists and other leading experts told ABC News that it is inaccurate to assert that "mental health issues" are solely or primarily responsible for the United States’ ongoing rash of gun violence.
Instead, while experts say some aspects of mental illness are associated with mass violence, they insist that it is truly a multi-layer and complex crisis, driven by a confluence of other factors as well, such as widespread access to firearms, stalled gun reform and exposure to increased stressors and crises.Link all the studies you want. They all say that there is mental illness involved. I’m not sure why you would try to excuse this shooters actions. Normal people do not shoot up schools. I'm not trying to defend the shooter. But, facts matter. And no, the articles do not say that mental illness is involved in every shooting. Mental illness is a factor in some mass shootings, but not all. And so far, there has been no mention of mental illness. Mental illness is an easy target for conservatives but it is not responsible for every mass shooting in this country. |
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Post by cindosha on Mar 28, 2023 0:53:45 GMT
Absolutely nothing I said is untrue. Not one thing. And it’s not bullshit. It’s the truth. We need to have a better system to treat the mentally ill in this country. She was mentally ill and should never have had a gun. Lots of what you said is untrue. There are a lot of assumptions and speculation in your statement. We don't know a lot about the shooter. She might be transgender, but there has been no mention of mental illness, where she lives, or her employment status. I have no idea how her income level or the average income level for the area is even relevant. Then you should have watched the police chiefs news conference. It sounds like you are trying to give the shooter a pass. |
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Post by cindosha on Mar 28, 2023 0:56:51 GMT
Link all the studies you want. They all say that there is mental illness involved. I’m not sure why you would try to excuse this shooters actions. Normal people do not shoot up schools. I'm not trying to defend the shooter. But, facts matter. And no, the articles do not say that mental illness is involved in every shooting. Mental illness is a factor in some mass shootings, but not all. And so far, there has been no mention of mental illness. Mental illness is an easy target for conservatives but it is not responsible for every mass shooting in this country. Literally every article you you linked said that there is some form of mental illness in shooters. |
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Post by aj2hall on Mar 28, 2023 1:03:12 GMT
Lots of what you said is untrue. There are a lot of assumptions and speculation in your statement. We don't know a lot about the shooter. She might be transgender, but there has been no mention of mental illness, where she lives, or her employment status. I have no idea how her income level or the average income level for the area is even relevant. Then you should have watched the police chiefs news conference. It sounds like you are trying to give the shooter a pass. I did watch the news conference. The only part of your statement that the police chief mentioned is that she's transgender and lives with her parents. The rest of your statement about her mental health, employment status, her income level or the average income for the area is all speculation and assumptions on your part. With this post, I am done responding to you. Based on your past history, I regret replying. I never should have engaged. You consistently make uninformed, ignorant statements. |
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Post by cindosha on Mar 28, 2023 1:10:13 GMT
Then you should have watched the police chiefs news conference. It sounds like you are trying to give the shooter a pass. I did watch the news conference. The only part of your statement that the police chief mentioned is that she's transgender and lives with her parents. The rest of your statement about her mental health, employment status, her income level or the average income for the area is all speculation and assumptions on your part. With this post, I am done responding to you. Based on your past history, I regret replying. I never should have engaged. You consistently make uninformed, ignorant statements. That sounds like a plan. |
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Post by cindosha on Mar 28, 2023 1:44:30 GMT
Then you should have watched the police chiefs news conference. It sounds like you are trying to give the shooter a pass. I did watch the news conference. The only part of your statement that the police chief mentioned is that she's transgender and lives with her parents. The rest of your statement about her mental health, employment status, her income level or the average income for the area is all speculation and assumptions on your part. With this post, I am done responding to you. Based on your past history, I regret replying. I never should have engaged. You consistently make uninformed, ignorant statements. And FTR, she went to the school she shot up. Tuition in that school is $16k a year. She lives with her parents who live near the school. I’m sure she didn’t pay her own tuition. It was reported on the news that the area the school is located is well to do. Her mental health is a given, considering that she had plans to shoot up another school but gave that up after doing a threat assessment and realizing that there was too much security at the second location. There were drawn up plans and maps done by the shooter. This was a planned attack by which the shooter must have some modicum of mental illness. Normal people don’t shoot up schools. And her linked in stated that she was a graphic artist. If she made a lot of money she wouldn’t have been living with her parent(s). That one may be an assumption on my part and time will tell whether or not it’s true. |
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Post by onelasttime on Mar 28, 2023 2:11:29 GMT
He clearly doesn’t understand the Presidential Records Act…
”The PRA changed the legal ownership of the official records of the President from private to public, and established a new statutory structure under which Presidents, and subsequently NARA, must manage the records of their Administrations.”
He must have missed the bit that once he left office the NARA manage the documents under guidelines set by the Presidential Records Act. He is convinced that under the PRA he has the right to take “stuff”.
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Post by onelasttime on Mar 28, 2023 2:14:16 GMT
Hannity was trying to steer him away from what he is claiming and he just kept blabbing. And I love the response. And I’m sure his lawyers are screaming at their tvs “shut up!”.
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Post by onelasttime on Mar 28, 2023 2:38:08 GMT
As of yesterday there have been 38 mass shootings this year and we are only at the end of March.
You know I have to think Republicans would make great players of the game twister the way they try and twist things like this.
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Post by onelasttime on Mar 28, 2023 2:59:49 GMT
Boy the right is really into rewriting history aren’t they. They are pretending both the pandemic and the events of January 6 never happened.
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Post by onelasttime on Mar 28, 2023 3:05:01 GMT
The guy who should have played the Red Skull in Captain America is claiming dumpster don is coming out with a new policy plan every week. 😀
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Post by onelasttime on Mar 28, 2023 4:44:18 GMT
What’s going on here?
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Mar 28, 2023 9:42:30 GMT
So....
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Post by Just T on Mar 28, 2023 14:54:01 GMT
You should shut up with your bullshit. If she had not had a gun do you think she could have killed 3 children? Gun control is the answer. No other nation can boast that the NUMBER ONE CAUSE OF DEATH FOR CHILDREN IS GUN VIOLENCE. Just the United States of America. You can control guns all you want. But that is NEVER going to stop someone with mental illness and an agenda from getting hold of a gun and shooting people. ou can control guns all you want. But that is NEVER going to stop someone with mental illness and an agenda from getting hold of a gun and shooting people. I am not sure why I am even doing this because every time I try to engage with you, I regret it big time. But hell, I'm having a shitty time in life right now, so what the hell? Do you not realize that if some of what people want to do, which is BACKGROUND CHECKS SO THAT PEOPLE WITH MENTAL ILLNESS CAN'T GET THEIR HANDS ON GUNS LEGALLY, is routinely voted down by your people?  Any sort of proposed legislation is portrayed as, "They want to take our guns!!!!!" I for one, do not want to take anyone's guns. I want sensible laws that make it impossible for a mentally ill person/felon/domestic abuser to legally purchase a gun. Will that prevent everyone who commits a mass shooting from getting a gun? NO! But how many of the mass shootings of the past years were committed by people who legally purchased their guns? Most of them. We don't know about yesterday's shooting, but others in the past, it was reported that they purchased their guns legally, or stole them from someone who did. So again, it is common sense that part of owning a gun should be you are required to keep it secure. But the gun lobby, and people like YOU who vote for candidates who vote for those who take money from the gun lobby, don't want that either. Now, let's address the mental health issue. Mental health care in this country SUCKS. Big time. So while you, and people like you, rant that this is a mental health issue, not a gun issue, you also vote for people who shoot down any kind of health care reform that might make people with mental health issues able to get real, timely care for those issues. |
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Post by onelasttime on Mar 28, 2023 15:38:30 GMT
I saw this…
And then saw this and thought maybe MTG should have a conversation with Samantha because it’s clear MTG is lacking in all of the skills on the list.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Mar 28, 2023 15:48:10 GMT
Somewhere I posted, easy access to guns allows those who should not have guns, allows them to have guns!!
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Post by onelasttime on Mar 28, 2023 15:53:29 GMT
This guy in an earlier tweet said his kids are homeschooled. So as long as his kids are safe from a potential mass shooting at a school he doesn’t care.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Mar 28, 2023 16:05:21 GMT
Constituents should be so proud... Other GOP talking on the sidelines, but not taking an official stand! Cowards! Our military are responsible enough to go to war, but not make personal medical decisions?!?! Sen. Tommy Tuberville (R-AL) is single-handedly blocking a handful of military promotions to protest a Pentagon directive giving service members access to abortion services. *** Although other GOP senators on the Armed Services panel agreed with Tuberville's objection, they're not entirely comfortable with his decision to use the promotions -- which includes commanders assigned to theaters with active conflicts -- as leverage in the domestic policy spat.*** The second-ranking Republican on the panel was more blunt. "It’s a tactic that he chose to use," said Sen. Deb Fischer (R-NE). "He has that right as a senator. It’s not one that I would use.” Committee chairman Jack Reed (D-RI) warned that Tuberville's blockade would disrupt the military "at the highest levels," but some Republicans are cheering on the former college football coach from the sidelines.“I think what [the Pentagon is] doing is illegal," said Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-SC). "I don’t think they have the authority to do this. Basically they’re setting a policy to give people leave, to use taxpayer dollars, which I think runs afoul of existing law.” www.rawstory.com/tommy-tuberville-military/ |
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Post by onelasttime on Mar 28, 2023 16:06:52 GMT
Typical.
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Post by cindosha on Mar 28, 2023 16:29:46 GMT
You can control guns all you want. But that is NEVER going to stop someone with mental illness and an agenda from getting hold of a gun and shooting people. ou can control guns all you want. But that is NEVER going to stop someone with mental illness and an agenda from getting hold of a gun and shooting people. I am not sure why I am even doing this because every time I try to engage with you, I regret it big time. But hell, I'm having a shitty time in life right now, so what the hell? Do you not realize that if some of what people want to do, which is BACKGROUND CHECKS SO THAT PEOPLE WITH MENTAL ILLNESS CAN'T GET THEIR HANDS ON GUNS LEGALLY, is routinely voted down by your people? Any sort of proposed legislation is portrayed as, "They want to take our guns!!!!!" I for one, do not want to take anyone's guns. I want sensible laws that make it impossible for a mentally ill person/felon/domestic abuser to legally purchase a gun. Will that prevent everyone who commits a mass shooting from getting a gun? NO! But how many of the mass shootings of the past years were committed by people who legally purchased their guns? Most of them. We don't know about yesterday's shooting, but others in the past, it was reported that they purchased their guns legally, or stole them from someone who did. So again, it is common sense that part of owning a gun should be you are required to keep it secure. But the gun lobby, and people like YOU who vote for candidates who vote for those who take money from the gun lobby, don't want that either. Now, let's address the mental health issue. Mental health care in this country SUCKS. Big time. So while you, and people like you, rant that this is a mental health issue, not a gun issue, you also vote for people who shoot down any kind of health care reform that might make people with mental health issues able to get real, timely care for those issues. I think that everyone who buys a gun should have a mental health check, a background check and every other check needed to make sure that nobody that should not have a gun can get a gun. I think it's quite clear that the politicians on both sides of the aisle suck at getting anything like this done. Common sense tells us that people who legally have a gun should keep it locked up. I believe that most responsible gun owners do keep their guns locked up or at least out of reach of hands that shouldn't have them. But the responsible gun owners aren't the problem. What about the people with no prior criminal history or even a history of mental illness that gets guns legally and then goes out and shoots up a school? How do you stop that from happening? I know no solution for that. I don't think that there is anybody who doesn't agree to background checks and making sure people that purchase guns don't have a criminal background. But I don't think that preventing every single person in this country from LEGALLY owning a gun is ever going to come to fruition. There are too many people and way too many guns. But every criminal that uses a gun has a gun and they somehow got a gun. I don't know what the solution is for criminals to not have guns. The mental health system in this country sucks and has for years. When they closed all the mental facilities down and threw mentally ill people out into the streets, they apparently didn't think of the consequences of that. It's not MY fault that the government sucks at their job. YOU don't know who I vote for or what my views are on gun ownership other than what I posted on this thread. And I will say it again, you will never be able to keep the guns away from the criminals. If someone wants to commit a mass shooting, they are going to get a gun one way or another, it's too easy. And no political group is going to be able to solve that issue 100%, no matter who votes for what or for whom because the political system in this country blows. Maybe if the politicians were better at not taking money from whatever lobbyist group throws it at them for their votes, who knows, maybe there wouldn't be such chaos in this country. But I can pretty much guarantee you, ALL of the politicians have nobody's but their OWN interests at heart. All they care about is getting rich, and the lobbies are padding all of their pockets. Our government is so corrupt, it makes me want to puke. I hate them all. If you regret engaging with me, then don't. Sorry you are having a shitty time right now. But your shitty time is not my concern, so you are right, what the hell. |
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Post by onelasttime on Mar 28, 2023 16:35:25 GMT
It’s absolutely mind boggling how the right is trying to find ways to condemn the actions taken during the pandemic. At the same time blaming President Biden for what happened prior to President Biden taking office.
The alternative to closing the schools was if left open even more people would have died and that would have included children.
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Post by hop2 on Mar 28, 2023 16:38:04 GMT
You are not helping. Your bullshit is not welcomed. Go away you fucking bitch Absolutely nothing I said is untrue. Not one thing. And it’s not bullshit. It’s the truth. We need to have a better system to treat the mentally ill in this country. She was mentally ill and should never have had a gun. Except that you claim that guns have nothing to do with it when fact based evidence says that guns have everything to do with it. We are literally THE ONLY developed COUNTRY where guns are the leading killer of children. That is a fact. So yes, guns & the availability of guns do have something to do with mass shootings. www.kff.org/global-health-policy/issue-brief/child-and-teen-firearm-mortality-in-the-u-s-and-peer-countries/ |
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Mar 28, 2023 16:39:10 GMT
My my my.... Another corrupt GOP Congressman, Comer ... And Bragg should appear to testify about grand jury business and Comer can be trusted to keep the info secure? No likely!! An admission by House Oversight Committee Chair James Comer (R-KY) that he helped publicize a 2015 leak of a journalist’s private emails is casting a cloud over his investigations into President Joe Biden's administration but also his desire to question Manhattan District Attorney Alvin Bragg.As the Daily Beast's Roger Sollenberger wrote, Comer "'confirmed, for the first time' that he had helped orchestrate the 2015 leak of a journalist’s private emails. His campaign then used the leak -- unsuccessfully -- to combat domestic abuse allegations during Comer’s ill-fated Kentucky gubernatorial run." That, in turn, has raised questions about Comer's ethics, to say nothing of the hypocrisy, as he attempts, as he did on CNN's "State of the Union" on Sunday to make his case that he wants to investigate the Manhattan grand jury proceedings looking at Donald Trump.www.rawstory.com/james-comer-investigations-2659664671/ |
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Post by hop2 on Mar 28, 2023 16:40:15 GMT
It’s the person doing the shooting. The guns do not shoot themselves. Let’s be clear. And this transgender, mentally ill, still living at home in a rich community, probably no real job is the one who did the shooting. She had the gun in her hands and pulled the trigger. SHE is the one who killed these people. Not the gun. SHE killed these people. NOT THE GUN. Guns are part of the problem. Just look at the number of gun violence deaths in the US compared to other developed countries. They have violent video games, mental illness etc. What they don't have? A proliferation of guns. www.kff.org/global-health-policy/issue-brief/child-and-teen-firearm-mortality-in-the-u-s-and-peer-countries/Firearms are the leading cause of death in the US for children ages 1-19. In other developed counties, firearms are much lower on the list. Canada is the next closest country. In Canada, firearms are the 5th leading cause of death, after car accidents, other accidents, congenital disease and cancer. And your speculation about the shooter is exactly that. Pure speculation. Reputable news outlets are only reporting her name, age and she may have attended the school. Ha I didn’t see your post - but then again it bears repeating. Especially that graph that not only shows guns as the leading cause of death for children but how vastly different we are to the other countries. |
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Post by hop2 on Mar 28, 2023 16:41:35 GMT
EASY access to guns allows those who should not have them, to have them!! I agree with you. Well then guns & lack of gun laws are part of the problem |
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Post by onelasttime on Mar 28, 2023 16:57:59 GMT
Well a strong case could be made that the Republican Party is complicit in child abuse because they are against any meaningful legislation that better controls guns that coukd reduce or eliminate in mass shootings at our schools. And that is a fact.
No I didn’t listen to Ted Cruz and what he is claiming because he is not a honest broker when he yammers on about the problems at the border. Because he has absolutely no interest in solving the problems as his goal is using real and imagined problems at the border as a weapon against the Democrats.
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Post by onelasttime on Mar 28, 2023 17:05:34 GMT
I like this guy McGovern. 😀
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Any sort of proposed legislation is portrayed as, "They want to take our guns!!!!!" I for one, do not want to take anyone's guns. I want sensible laws that make it impossible for a mentally ill person/felon/domestic abuser to legally purchase a gun. Will that prevent everyone who commits a mass shooting from getting a gun? NO! But how many of the mass shootings of the past years were committed by people who legally purchased their guns?