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Post by onelasttime on Mar 28, 2023 17:29:14 GMT
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Mar 28, 2023 17:39:45 GMT
Wonder if he will try to fight it?!?!
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Post by cindosha on Mar 28, 2023 18:07:36 GMT
Absolutely nothing I said is untrue. Not one thing. And it’s not bullshit. It’s the truth. We need to have a better system to treat the mentally ill in this country. She was mentally ill and should never have had a gun. Except that you claim that guns have nothing to do with it when fact based evidence says that guns have everything to do with it. We are literally THE ONLY developed COUNTRY where guns are the leading killer of children. That is a fact. So yes, guns & the availability of guns do have something to do with mass shootings. www.kff.org/global-health-policy/issue-brief/child-and-teen-firearm-mortality-in-the-u-s-and-peer-countries/I never said that guns had nothing to do with it. You assumed that. I said that the gun didn't shoot itself, the mentally ill gun holder/owner did the shooting. If she never had a mental health diagnosis in the past and she got the guns legally, then where do we stand? A mentally ill person did the shooting with her own guns (if they were gotten legally. There will always be someone who gets the guns, whether legally or illegally and will commit a crime with them. You can't disarm the entire country. It will never, ever happen. There will always be a person with no warning signs or history of mental illness who commits a crime with a gun. I don't know what the solution is at this point because our government doesn't give two shits about it or something would have been done about it by now. |
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Post by onelasttime on Mar 28, 2023 19:00:34 GMT
These numbers may not be accurate because it seems this country does not know for sure how many guns are actually in the United States or how many guns are stolen but not reported. Best guess is.. - The United States has roughly 4% of the world’s population and roughly 40% of all the guns in the world.
- In the US it is estimated there are 336,000,000 guns owned by a little over 1/3 the total population. Which would mean roughly 111,000,000 people in this country own 40% of the total guns in the world.
- Every year it’s estimated at least 200,000 guns are reported stolen. It is unknown how many guns are stolen every year but not reported. It’s estimated that number is over 100,000. The number I read for the recovery for stolen guns is 11%.
Add to this the Supreme Court has been busy making it harder to put limitations on gun ownership.
Off hand I would say this country has a gun problem. A problem aided by the deliberate ignoring of the original intent of the 2nd Amendment by the Supreme Court and their recent court decision. So while people like to blame the NRA for today’s gun woes, the true culprit is the Supreme Court.
I mean why does 111,000,000 people in this country feel the need to own 40% of all the guns in the world? And whatever their justification is for owning all these guns We the People are paying a heavy price.
I think one of the saddest picture to surface after yesterday’s event was the picture of a young girl crying in the school bus taking her I guess home.
That is what we have created.
Its been reported the shooter from yesterday had purchased 7 guns legally over a couple of years. Why does anyone need 7 guns?
I understand there are people who actually have a need to own a gun. But in my opinion the vast majority of gun owners don’t have a need for a gun but buy one or many guns just because.
And that is why we have a gun problems. IMO. We make it easy for people to buy a gun or multiple guns which leads to hundreds of thousands of these guns stolen year year. Which provides a steady supply of guns to criminals and gangs. Add to that this idea many gun owners that when they get angry and want to “show them” they whip out their gun and shoot them. Or those who treat their guns like an old pair of tennis shoes they can just leave lying around and little fingers find these guns and either kill themselves or someone else in the room.
Not content to keep the gun problem in this country, guns from the United States are supplying the cartels in Mexico. Remember that big “scandal “ called I think the Fast and the Furious during the Obama Administration? During that time I read an article on how the Cartels in Mexico were paying US Citizens to buy guns for them in Arizona and then sneaking them across the border. It seemed at that time there was no way of checking how many guns an individual bought. Which meant a person could buy ex-number of guns at one gun dealership then go to the next one down the street and buy some more guns and so on. Remember the four people recently kidnapped in Mexico and two were killed? I read they were killed by guns from here.
So while mental health and just pure evil individuals are the ones behind a lot of the mass shootings deaths, we make it real easy for them to get ahold of a weapon that makes it real easy to kill a lot of people in a very short period of time. And they are only the tip of the iceberg in shooting deaths.
So prepare yourself for living in a country where we are going to see frightened crying children as they leave the scene of a mass shooting where the victims are their schoolmates and teachers. That is if they are lucky and aren’t one of the victims. Or reading how some child found a loaded gun in the home and shot and killed a member of the family. Or some guy with anger issues who want to “show them” and whipped out his gun to “show them”.
And all because there are too many guns readily available in this country and this country lacks the will to fix what we allowed to happen.
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Post by dizzycheermom on Mar 28, 2023 19:23:26 GMT
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Post by onelasttime on Mar 28, 2023 20:00:52 GMT
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Post by onelasttime on Mar 28, 2023 20:10:25 GMT
I don’t think the Supreme Court would uphold this law, if it does become a law. Talk about opening a can of worms if this law is allowed to stand.
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Post by Lurkingpea on Mar 28, 2023 20:28:56 GMT
I never said that guns had nothing to do with it. You assumed that. I said that the gun didn't shoot itself, the mentally ill gun holder/owner did the shooting. If she never had a mental health diagnosis in the past and she got the guns legally, then where do we stand? A mentally ill person did the shooting with her own guns (if they were gotten legally. There will always be someone who gets the guns, whether legally or illegally and will commit a crime with them. You can't disarm the entire country. It will never, ever happen. There will always be a person with no warning signs or history of mental illness who commits a crime with a gun. I don't know what the solution is at this point because our government doesn't give two shits about it or something would have been done about it by now. Where do you stand on banning assault type weapons? |
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Post by aj2hall on Mar 28, 2023 20:33:16 GMT
According to Pence, history will hold Trump accountable. Will Pence hold Trump accountable or will he cave? All along, he's hedged his bets, trying to cater moderates but being very careful to not offend the Trump supporters. I'm sure Pence will appeal and try to delay. If he's forced to choose, what will Pence do? According to this NYT writer, Trump could stand in the middle of 5th avenue, shoot someone & not lose Pence. Probably not far from the truth. Trump put Pence's life in danger and he still refuses to strongly condemn Trump for his actions. www.nytimes.com/2023/03/21/opinion/mike-pence-donald-trump-indictment.htmlPut differently, if there’s no voter Trump could lose if he stood in the middle of Fifth Avenue and shot somebody, as Trump famously said, there are probably no leading Republican politicians who would leave his camp, either. Hell, they might even say the victim deserved it.Another opinion on Pence www.nytimes.com/2022/11/29/opinion/mike-pence-so-help-me-god.html?action=click&module=RelatedLinks&pgtype=ArticleMost damning, Pence failed to tell the president or the public, without hedging or softening the point, that the Trump-Pence ticket had lost the 2020 election, even after Pence had reached that conclusion himself. Americans should be enormously grateful that the vice president did not overstep his authority and attempt to reverse the will of the voters on Jan. 6. But you shouldn’t get the glory for pulling democracy back from the brink if you helped carry it up there in the first place. And, so help me God, Pence did just that.
The irony is that Pence’s record of reliable servility was a key reason he was in position to be the hero at the end. And so the vice president became that rarest of Trump-era creatures: a dedicated enabler who nonetheless managed to exit the administration with a plausible claim to partial credit. If Pence got to do the right thing on Jan. 6, it was because he had done the wrong one for so long.
And more on the judge's order today www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2023/03/28/mike-pence-testify-trump-jan-6-investigation/U.S. judge says Pence must give some testimony in Trump Jan. 6 probe
Former vice president was subpoenaed in Justice Department probe of former president Donald Trump’s efforts to overturn 2020 election results
A federal judge has ruled that former vice president Mike Pence must provide testimony to prosecutors investigating President Donald Trump’s efforts to overturn the 2020 election results, according to people familiar with the matter.
However, the judge also ruled that Pence can remain silent on topics that deal specifically with his role in Congress on Jan. 6, 2021, when a formal tabulation of the presidential election results was interrupted by a violent pro-Trump mob, said the people, who spoke on the condition of anonymity to describe court proceedings that have not been made public. |
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Mar 28, 2023 20:39:56 GMT
TFG lawyer says Pence will probably take it all the way to the SCOTUS. Jesse Binnall, an election fraud lawyer for Donald Trump, expects former Vice President Mike Pence to take his case all the way to the Supreme Court after a court ordered him to testify in special counsel Jack Smith's Jan. 6 investigation.The Trump attorney told Newsmax that he was not very concerned about a federal court's ruling that said Pence must testify about conversations he had with Trump prior to attacks on the U.S. Capitol. "This right now is just a trial court decision," Binnall asserted. "And the trial court decisions are reviewable by the Court of Appeals, the Federal Court of Appeals in DC, that's the DC circuit." And then ultimately an important question of privilege on something like this is gonna be decided very possibly by the Supreme Court of the United States," he added. Binnall called the decision "wrong" even though he had not yet read it. www.rawstory.com/trump-mike-pence-appeal/ |
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Mar 28, 2023 20:42:46 GMT
Woman pulls knife in altercation in front of DA Bragg's office... As speculation continues to swirl about an impending indictment of Donald Trump from Manhattan District Attorney Alvin Bragg, a woman was arrested outside the Manhattan courthouse after she was reportedly involved in a confrontation. According to journalist Marta Dhanis, the woman is a Trump supporter and she allegedly pulled a knife after getting into a verbal fight with pedestrian."On the sidelines: a trump supporter was just arrested across the street from the courthouse," Dhanis tweeted. "She was holding a sign 'I stand with Trump do you' and got into a verbal fight with a passerby and then pulled out a knife. Court officers arrested her on the spot." www.rawstory.com/trump-supporter-arrested-outside-manhattan-courthouse-after-pulling-knife-fox-news-reporter/ |
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Post by onelasttime on Mar 28, 2023 21:56:20 GMT
From the Washington Post.. “ Opinion On guns, conservatives are winning. This nightmare is the result.”By Paul Waldman Columnist March 28, 2023 at 2:35 p.m. EDT Gift Article “No recitation of the number of Americans killed by guns — men, women, and increasingly, children — can carry the emotional power of hearing that three 9-year-olds were just slaughtered in their school, the latest in a long line of such horrors. The result for all of us is terror: a state of heightened alertness when we’re out in public, a fear that even if we don’t think about it for a time never quite goes away. That terror, and the ever-growing toll of violence that keeps it fed, were brought to us by the cooperation of the gun industry, its political advocates and the Republican Party. Can they defend what they have wrought?
The answer: They can’t, and they don’t. They have gotten almost everything they wanted on guns, and this nightmare is the result.
It’s useful to compare this debate to the ones we have about social issues, where liberals and conservatives agree that the liberals are winning, both in law and how Americans live their lives. Same-sex couples can legally marry, discrimination is less socially acceptable than it used to be and transgender people have become more open and vocal. That’s in addition to religious faith declining and traditional ideas about gender roles in the workplace and parenting being increasingly rejected. Liberals and conservatives agree that the effects of these changes are enormous. Liberals believe the result is a profoundly better society — one that is more open, inclusive and humane. Conservatives believe the result is a profoundly worse society, one where moral anarchy reigns. Compare that to the debate we have about guns. As on social issues, there’s no question who’s winning. Because of the Bruen case the Supreme Court decided last year, in which the conservative majority declared any contemporary restrictions on guns are unconstitutional if they don’t have a direct analogue to laws passed in the 18th century, state laws are being struck down left and right. Republican-run states are rushing to remove even the mildest restrictions on gun ownership. Tennessee, the site of the latest school massacre, already had some of the loosest gun laws in the country. Now Republican lawmakers there are moving through the legislature a bill to lower the age for carrying a gun in public from 21 to 18.Estimates for the number of guns in circulation in the United States vary, some as low as 352 million and some as high as 434 million. What no one disputes is that the total number is staggering, and it has dramatically increased in recent years. As far as conservatives are concerned, this is an enormously positive development for American society. Opinions on gun rights But it’s important to separate what conservatives do and don’t say about the gun-saturated nation they created. They put a great value on the freedom they associate with gun ownership and would undoubtedly argue that the United States is more free today than it was a decade ago because of loosened gun laws. They celebrate the states where guns are least hindered as the freest places in the country.
What they don’t say is that all of us are safer. They believe the freedom to own guns is more important than the freedom not to be terrorized by the presence of guns and that the trade off in lives lost has been worth it.They don’t deny the carnage; just three months into the year, 10,000 Americans have been killed with guns — roughly 4,200 homicides and 5,700 suicides. Nor do they deny the state of terror Americans feel about sending their children to school or just going to the grocery store. You won’t hear conservatives tell you that you have nothing to be afraid of.Instead, conservatives say that our gun violence problem has little, if anything, to do with guns and can be solved with measures that have little to do with guns either. We can improve mental health services or address the vulnerability of side doors in schools. Or, of course, we can just get more guns. The implication is that there’s a kind of “Laffer curve” of mass slaughter whose benefits are waiting to be enjoyed. After a certain inflection point of firearm ubiquity, the number of murders will reverse course and rapidly head toward zero.
Conservatives don’t articulate it precisely that way. They say, “The only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun,” or claim that even more guns will bring down crime. But the implication is the same: We are gripped by terror now, but there is a road to safety ahead of us, and it’s paved with yet more guns.Those claims are ludicrous, as even many gun owners would admit. But they give gun advocates something to say when the news is covered with stories of elementary school students gunned down with the instruments of mayhem Republican members of Congress pin on their lapels and pose with in their Christmas cards. They wear triumphant smiles in those pictures, and they have indeed triumphed. Our terror is their achievement.” wapo.st/3no5UPP |
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Post by onelasttime on Mar 28, 2023 22:33:57 GMT
The biggest difference between the Democrat and Republican politicians is Democrats care about the American People.
Here is proof once again Republican politicians don’t. A reminder this year is less than 90 days old but yet there have been 130 mass shootings and this fool thinks to talk about is premature.
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Post by cindosha on Mar 28, 2023 22:51:43 GMT
I never said that guns had nothing to do with it. You assumed that. I said that the gun didn't shoot itself, the mentally ill gun holder/owner did the shooting. If she never had a mental health diagnosis in the past and she got the guns legally, then where do we stand? A mentally ill person did the shooting with her own guns (if they were gotten legally. There will always be someone who gets the guns, whether legally or illegally and will commit a crime with them. You can't disarm the entire country. It will never, ever happen. There will always be a person with no warning signs or history of mental illness who commits a crime with a gun. I don't know what the solution is at this point because our government doesn't give two shits about it or something would have been done about it by now. Where do you stand on banning assault type weapons? All guns are assault weapons if they are used as such. It won’t matter if they did ban them. The bottom line is that we have to stop politicians from taking money from lobbyists to pad their pockets. These politicians need to get together and stop mentally ill people and criminals from acquiring any guns. And it looks like I was right about the Nashville shooter being mentally ill. She was being treated for mental illness and was still able to buy seven guns legally. That is where we need to make our changes. Our politicians are such money hungry puppets being bought and sold that that will probably never happen. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2023 22:53:53 GMT
Where do you stand on banning assault type weapons? All guns are assault weapons if they are used as such. It won’t matter if they did ban them. The bottom line is that we have to stop politicians from taking money from lobbyists to pad their pockets. These politicians need to get together and stop mentally ill people and criminals from acquiring any guns. And it looks like I was right about the Nashville shooter being mentally ill. She was being treated for mental illness and was still able to buy seven guns legally. That is where we need to make our changes. Our politicians are such money hungry puppets being bought and sold that that will probably never happen. Then stop fucking voting for the Republicans. |
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Post by onelasttime on Mar 28, 2023 23:27:05 GMT
If the intent of the 2 Amendment was to give an individual the right to own guns it would have been the simplest to write. There would have been no need to include the word “militia”.
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Post by Lurkingpea on Mar 28, 2023 23:35:23 GMT
Where do you stand on banning assault type weapons? All guns are assault weapons if they are used as such. It won’t matter if they did ban them. The bottom line is that we have to stop politicians from taking money from lobbyists to pad their pockets. These politicians need to get together and stop mentally ill people and criminals from acquiring any guns. And it looks like I was right about the Nashville shooter being mentally ill. She was being treated for mental illness and was still able to buy seven guns legally. That is where we need to make our changes. Our politicians are such money hungry puppets being bought and sold that that will probably never happen. Of course all guns are assault weapons if used as such is not what I was talking about. You know that. A spoon is an assault weapon if used as such. Now I know why people don't engage with you. Lesson learned. |
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Post by dawnnikol on Mar 28, 2023 23:50:37 GMT
Of course all guns are assault weapons if used as such is not what I was talking about. You know that. A spoon is an assault weapon if used as such. Now I know why people don't engage with you. Lesson learned. Block is a beautiful thing. |
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Post by cindosha on Mar 29, 2023 0:39:38 GMT
All guns are assault weapons if they are used as such. It won’t matter if they did ban them. The bottom line is that we have to stop politicians from taking money from lobbyists to pad their pockets. These politicians need to get together and stop mentally ill people and criminals from acquiring any guns. And it looks like I was right about the Nashville shooter being mentally ill. She was being treated for mental illness and was still able to buy seven guns legally. That is where we need to make our changes. Our politicians are such money hungry puppets being bought and sold that that will probably never happen. Then stop fucking voting for the Republicans. Only if you stop voting for democrats. |
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Post by cindosha on Mar 29, 2023 0:40:11 GMT
Of course all guns are assault weapons if used as such is not what I was talking about. You know that. A spoon is an assault weapon if used as such. Now I know why people don't engage with you. Lesson learned. Block is a beautiful thing. Be my pest. |
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Post by onelasttime on Mar 29, 2023 0:42:19 GMT
Where do you stand on banning assault type weapons? All guns are assault weapons if they are used as such. It won’t matter if they did ban them. The bottom line is that we have to stop politicians from taking money from lobbyists to pad their pockets. These politicians need to get together and stop mentally ill people and criminals from acquiring any guns. And it looks like I was right about the Nashville shooter being mentally ill. She was being treated for mental illness and was still able to buy seven guns legally. That is where we need to make our changes. Our politicians are such money hungry puppets being bought and sold that that will probably never happen. No, not all guns are assault weapons. What defines an assault weapon is a rapid fire magazine fed automatic rifle designed for infantry use. The AR-15, the gun of choice for most mass killings, is a semi-automatic rife which is defined as one that is autoloading that fires a single cartage with each pull of the trigger from a magazine that typically holds 30 rounds. So one can shoot 30 rounds before reloading. The AR-15 uses a bullet called “intermediate cartridge “ that has “significantly greater power” than the pistol cartridges. And a semi automatic AR-15 can be changed to an automatic rifle with a simple piece of plastic. Which I think means one can just hold their finger on the trigger and the gun automatically keeps shooting until there are no more bullets in the magazine. Also the AR-15 is equipped to handle a 100 bullet magazine. Picture below. Which is advertised as, I kid you not” “100 rounds of fun”. So you are wrong in your assessment that any gun is an assault weapon. It’s true guns kill, I mean that IS there only purpose. But some guns can do it quicker, longer and more efficiently than other guns. And it’s guns like the AR-15 that don’t belong on our streets. And it doesn’t matter if someone is mentally ill or not as, once again, guns that have the capability of an AR-15, especially a modified one, have no place on our streets. As noted above, you want politicians who will pass sensible gun laws and ban guns like an AR-15 then you have to vote for them. And I guarantee you the politicians with “R” after their name are not the ones that will pass the necessary laws. And thanks to the fools that voted trump in as president we also have to deal with a majority on the Supreme Court that feel the only gun laws that are not “unconstitutional “ are those based on what it was like to own guns back in 1790’s. |
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Post by onelasttime on Mar 29, 2023 1:03:47 GMT
If you have 8 minutes this is worth a listen. I made it about half way through before I wanted to take my poor iPad and wack this guy, Dahm, on the head. And I’m not a fan of violence.
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Post by onelasttime on Mar 29, 2023 1:05:28 GMT
The response gives one an idea what this guy was saying….
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Post by onelasttime on Mar 29, 2023 1:28:49 GMT
This tweet thread is yet one more reason to ban AR-15. I think we kind of knew this from the description of some of the bodies from the Uvalde mass shooting.
What possible legitimate reason is there that we need these guns sold in this country to the public?
Below is the first and last tweet of the thread.
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Post by onelasttime on Mar 29, 2023 1:44:46 GMT
That is why they have batteries Einstein…. They can’t even make any sort of plausible reasons on why they claim something is bad.
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Post by onelasttime on Mar 29, 2023 1:47:28 GMT
But there were….
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Post by onelasttime on Mar 29, 2023 1:57:59 GMT
He does say NATO but he is talking about this.
”NAFTA remained in force until USMCA was implemented. In April 2020, Canada and Mexico notified the U.S. that they were ready to implement the agreement. The USMCA took effect on July 1, 2020, replacing NAFTA.”
And wasn’t basically the only change was in the name?
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Post by onelasttime on Mar 29, 2023 2:05:19 GMT
So dumpster don thinks that Putin was afraid of him. 😂
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Post by onelasttime on Mar 29, 2023 2:52:09 GMT
I tried to explain what this clip does but you need to watch to appreciate it.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Mar 29, 2023 3:16:56 GMT
That is why they have batteries Einstein…. They can’t even make any sort of plausible reasons on why they claim something is bad. Rep Burchett, the same blowhard who stood on the Capitol steps saying "We can't fix it" in reference to the Nashville school shooting. He has no worries, he home schools.. |
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