Gem Girl
Pearl Clutcher
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Posts: 2,686
Jun 29, 2014 19:29:52 GMT
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Post by Gem Girl on Mar 2, 2023 17:22:33 GMT
She does understand that the guy she is running against is an ex president. Right? I'd never bet the farm on her understanding anything.
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Post by onelasttime on Mar 2, 2023 17:31:28 GMT
If someone doesn’t put the brakes on these guys this country really will go to hell in a hand basket.
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Post by onelasttime on Mar 2, 2023 17:41:16 GMT
“allegations of inciting violence, wouldn't fall within presidential duties, US says.” Well that’s good to hear…
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Post by onelasttime on Mar 2, 2023 18:15:30 GMT
Interesting…
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Post by onelasttime on Mar 2, 2023 18:22:27 GMT
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Post by onelasttime on Mar 2, 2023 18:31:22 GMT
Here’s this guy trying to be really cool but I listen to him and wonder who are these people? What rock did they crawl out from? It’s not just that you disagree with these folk’s ideology, it’s hearing them and realizing these are nice people.
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Post by onelasttime on Mar 2, 2023 19:44:33 GMT
If they aren’t children then what are they. I don’t think I will ever understand why some think it’s ok to treat groups of people as less than human.
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Post by onelasttime on Mar 2, 2023 21:02:36 GMT
OMG child care and unions are WOKE ideas? Seriously? What idiots.
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Post by onelasttime on Mar 2, 2023 21:08:54 GMT
Seriously? When the right calls things like Union labor and child care “WOKE Ideas” then they are the ones destroying this country. But any rational person already knows that.
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Post by onelasttime on Mar 2, 2023 21:11:09 GMT
Ah the poor little lying through his teeth victim…..
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Post by onelasttime on Mar 2, 2023 21:13:40 GMT
Meanwhile what the other side is focused on…
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Post by onelasttime on Mar 2, 2023 21:17:30 GMT
Ah isn’t this kind of an infringement of free speech by a government?
”TAMPA, Fla. (WFLA) — Florida Sen. Jason Brodeur (R-Lake Mary) wants bloggers who write about Gov. Ron DeSantis, Attorney General Ashley Moody, and other members of the Florida executive cabinet or legislature to register with the state or face fines.”
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lindas
Pearl Clutcher
Posts: 4,305
Jun 26, 2014 5:46:37 GMT
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Post by lindas on Mar 2, 2023 22:39:08 GMT
If someone doesn’t put the brakes on these guys this country really will go to hell in a hand basket. Guess this guy wasn’t really looking, I found the report. link if you’re interested.
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Post by onelasttime on Mar 2, 2023 22:45:45 GMT
I’m not the only one who thinks this…
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Mar 3, 2023 0:25:08 GMT
If someone doesn’t put the brakes on these guys this country really will go to hell in a hand basket. Guess this guy wasn’t really looking, I found the report. link if you’re interested. Link comes right back to this thread...
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Post by onelasttime on Mar 3, 2023 1:16:46 GMT
If someone doesn’t put the brakes on these guys this country really will go to hell in a hand basket. Guess this guy wasn’t really looking, I found the report. link if you’re interested. He is actually pretty reliable on what he says. And yes the link you posted did go straight to the entire report. A little later he posted that the report was on documentcloud.org. Someone had posted the entire report there. Its possible the Republicans put it back when it was noted that it was missing or he got it wrong. And yes I firmly believe the Republicans would do something like that especially since they are trying to change the narrative of the first year of COVID when their guy was president.
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Post by onelasttime on Mar 3, 2023 3:01:08 GMT
I just love this….
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Post by onelasttime on Mar 3, 2023 3:38:48 GMT
No he wasn’t. He spent most of his time in front of cable tv.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Mar 3, 2023 4:03:09 GMT
Ingraham describes Biden very well!!
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Post by onelasttime on Mar 3, 2023 4:57:04 GMT
Anyone surprised?
From The NY Times…
“G.O.P. Witnesses, Paid by Trump Ally, Embraced Jan. 6 Conspiracy Theories”
“Democrats said a trio of witnesses billed as “whistle-blowers” provided no evidence of wrongdoing, espoused false claims about the Capitol riot and were compensated by an ally of former President Donald J. Trump.”
“WASHINGTON — House Republicans have spent months promising to use their majority to uncover an insidious bias against conservatives on the part of the federal government, vowing to produce a roster of brave whistle-blowers who would come forward to provide damning evidence of abuses aimed at the right.
But the first three witnesses to testify privately before the new Republican-led House committee investigating the “weaponization” of the federal government have offered little firsthand knowledge of any wrongdoing or violation of the law, according to Democrats on the panel who have listened to their accounts. Instead, the trio appears to be a group of aggrieved former F.B.I. officials who have trafficked in right-wing conspiracy theories, including about the Jan. 6, 2021, attack at the Capitol, and received financial support from a top ally of former President Donald J. Trump.
The roster of witnesses, whose interviews and statements are detailed in a 316-page report compiled by Democrats that was obtained by The New York Times, suggests that Representative Jim Jordan of Ohio, the chairman of the panel, has so far relied on people who do not meet the definition of a whistle-blower and who have engaged in partisan conduct that calls into question their credibility. And it raises questions about whether Republicans, who have said that investigating the Biden administration is a top goal, will be able to deliver on their ambitious plans to uncover misdeeds at the highest levels.
“Each endorses an alarming series of conspiracy theories related to the Jan. 6 Capitol attack, the Covid vaccine, and the validity of the 2020 election,” Democrats wrote in the heavily footnoted report, which cites scores of statements made by the witnesses. “One has called repeatedly for the dismantling of the F.B.I. Another suggested that it would be better for Americans to die than to have any kind of domestic intelligence program.”
The report also notes that the men are tied to far-right Republican operatives and former Trump administration officials who have an interest in promoting false claims about the Jan. 6 attack and the Biden administration while working to defend Mr. Trump, who is seeking a second term.
The document centers on three men who have been interviewed by the panel’s investigators: George Hill, a retired F.B.I. supervisory intelligence analyst from the bureau’s Boston field office; Stephen Friend, a former special agent who worked in the Daytona Beach office; and Garret O’Boyle, a special agent from the field office in Wichita, Kan., who has been suspended.
Other potential witnesses for the new subcommittee are F.B.I. employees who were disciplined for attending protests on Jan. 6, 2021, according to Mr. Jordan.
Mr. Friend, who resigned from the F.B.I., is part of a group of former agents who were placed on leave and called themselves “the suspendables.” In a letter sent last year to Christopher A. Wray, the F.B.I. director, the group claimed that the bureau had discriminated against conservative-leaning agents.
Mr. Hill has claimed on Twitter that the Jan. 6 attack was a “set up,” and that there was “a larger #Democrat plan using their enforcement arm, the #FBI.” He also described the F.B.I. as “the Brown Shirt enforcers of the @dnc,” making an apparent reference to Nazi storm troopers to describe the federal law enforcement agency and its relationship to the Democratic National Committee.
Mr. O’Boyle and Mr. Friend both testified that they had received financial support from Kash Patel, a Trump loyalist and former high-ranking official in the former president’s administration. Mr. Friend said Mr. Patel sent him $5,000 almost immediately after they connected in November 2022 and that Mr. Patel has helped to promote Mr. Friend’s forthcoming book on social media.
In a statement, Mr. Patel declined to confirm that he has provided financial support to the witnesses but suggested that his organization has been focused on helping F.B.I. employees facing retaliation for speaking out publicly.
“Whistle-blowers who provide credible information exposing government waste, fraud, and abuse serve a critical role for constitutional oversight,” he said.
Democrats said they produced their report after they learned that Republicans on the committee were planning to leak material from the transcribed interviews. It was written by Representative Jerrold Nadler of New York, the top Democrat on the Judiciary Committee, and Delegate Stacey Plaskett of the Virgin Islands, the top Democrat on the weaponization subcommittee.
Russell Dye, a spokesman for Mr. Jordan, said that Democrats were misrepresenting the testimony gathered so far to smear public servants who had come forward to expose wrongdoing.
“It is beyond disappointing, but sadly not surprising, that Democrats would leak cherry-picked excerpts of testimony to attack the brave whistle-blowers who risked their careers to speak out on abuses at the Justice Department and F.B.I.,” Mr. Dye said. “These same Democrats vowed to fight our oversight ‘tooth and nail,’ and they are willing to undermine the work of the Congress to achieve their partisan goals.”
The Democratic report includes excerpts from depositions and evidence of conspiratorial social media posts.
It also details the ties between Mr. Trump’s inner circle and the witnesses. For instance, Mr. Patel found Mr. Friend his next job, working as a fellow on domestic intelligence and security services with the Center for Renewing America, which is run by Russ Vought. The center is largely funded by the Conservative Partnership Institute, which is run by Mark Meadows, Mr. Trump’s former chief of staff, and former Senator Jim DeMint of South Carolina.
“Based on this evidence, committee Democrats conclude that there is a strong likelihood that Kash Patel is encouraging the witnesses to continue pursuing their meritless claims, and in fact is using them to help propel his vendetta against the F.B.I., Justice Department, and Biden administration on behalf of himself and President Trump,” the report says.
Republicans argue they received useful information from the men for their investigation. For instance, Mr. Hill told the subcommittee the F.B.I. regularly conducted nationwide calls involving all 56 field offices after Jan. 6. Mr. Hill described the calls as “bordering on hysterical,” according to excerpts from transcripts reviewed by The Times.
Mr. Friend has been celebrated in conservative circles, with right-wing pundits seizing on his accusations as evidence of wrongdoing at the F.B.I. But those claims did not appear to hold up during his testimony.
Mr. Friend has said he refused to take part in a S.W.A.T. raid of a Jan. 6 suspect facing misdemeanor charges, which at the time he called an “excessive use of force,” to which he was a “conscientious objector.” The suspect, Tyler Bensch, was accused of being a member of a right-wing militia group connected to the Three Percenter movement. Documents in Mr. Bensch’s case indicate that on Jan. 6, 2021, he posted a video of himself outside the Capitol wearing body armor and a gas mask and carrying an AR-15-style rifle.
Under questioning, the committee said that Mr. Friend “confirmed that ownership of a firearm, even without any additional factors, in fact would be enough of a factor on its own to justify deploying a S.W.A.T. team in an arrest.”
Mr. Friend also testified about being asked to surveil a person attending a school board meeting, touching on a claim promoted by Republicans that the government mistreated conservative parents. But according to the report, Mr. Friend conceded during his interview that the man being tracked was a Three Percenter who was under counterterrorism investigation. He was later arrested with Mr. Bensch and three other individuals.
Mr. Friend also engaged with Russian propaganda outlets while he was an F.B.I. employee, the report noted, including being quoted extensively in an article in Sputnik headlined “Under Biden Federal Agencies Turned Into Instrument of Intimidation, F.B.I. Whistleblower Says,” and appearing for an interview with Russia Today.
The report cast doubt on the relevance of the witnesses’ accounts. Democrats wrote that nothing in Mr. O’Boyle’s testimony “suggests misconduct at the F.B.I.” and that Mr. Hill had “made multiple claims about the F.B.I.’s handling of criminal investigations into the Jan. 6 Capitol attack, despite having very little personal involvement in those investigations.”
The report also said that Mr. Hill had embraced a conspiracy theory that an Arizona man named Ray Epps was a federal informant who helped to instigate the attack on the Capitol on Jan. 6, 2021. Prominent Republicans — including Mr. Trump — have widely promoted the claim, which Mr. Epps denies and the House Jan. 6 committee determined to be unfounded.
The witnesses also embraced the language and views of the right wing on other matters. At one point during his testimony, the report said, Mr. O’Boyle compared coronavirus vaccine mandates to a Polish reserve police unit during World War II that began as a group of “just normal people,” but ultimately “were basically engaging in genocide like the rest of the Nazi regime.”
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Post by onelasttime on Mar 3, 2023 5:12:56 GMT
The Democrats Report about the above.
“GOP WITNESSES: WHAT THEIR DISCLOSURES INDICATE ABOUT THE STATE OF THE REPUBLICAN INVESTIGATIONS
FORWARD BY THE RANKING MEMBERS
This partisan investigation, such as it is, rests in large part on what Chairman Jordan has described as “dozens and dozens of whistleblowers... coming to us, talking about what is going on, the political nature at the Justice Department.”1 To date, the House Judiciary Committee has held transcribed interviews with three of these individuals. Chairman Jordan has, of course, refused to name any of the other “dozens and dozens” who may have spoken with him. He has also refused to share any of the documents which these individuals may have provided to the Committee.
Nevertheless, based on interviews of the three witnesses that have been made available to us, we are able to draw a number of striking conclusions about the state of the Republican investigation.
First, the three individuals we have met are not, in fact, “whistleblowers.” These individuals, who put forward a wide range of conspiracy theories, did not present actual evidence of any wrongdoing at the Department of Justice or the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI).
Second, the transcribed interviews we have held thus far refute House Republican narrative about “bias” at the Department of Justice. We urge Chairman Jordan to schedule the public testimony of these individuals without delay. The American public should be able to judge for themselves whether these witnesses or their allegations are remotely credible.
Third, these interviews also reveal the active engagement and orchestration of disturbing outside influence on the witnesses and, potentially, the Republican members of the Select Subcommittee. A network of organizations, led by former Trump administration officials like Kash Patel and Russell Vought, appears to have identified these witnesses, provided them with financial compensation, and found them employment after they left the FBI. These same individuals lobbied for the creation of the Select Subcommittee in the first place. They have a story to tell, and they appear to be using House Republicans to tell it.
Fourth, and finally, nearly all of the Republicans involved in this investigation—the witnesses, some of the Members, and certainly their outside operators—are tied together by the attacks of January 6, 2021. The witnesses whom we have met objected to the arrest of individuals suspected to have laid siege to the United States Capitol. Others of the “dozens and dozens,” we suspect,
participated directly in the riot. If this investigation is an attempt to whitewash the insurrection or hedge against pending indictments, it has been spectacularly ineffective—but these extremists share a view antithetical to the safety of our republic, and the American public has a right to be concerned.
We note that, in the ordinary course of business, we would not disclose the substance of a transcribed interview at this stage of an investigation. Even when we do not agree with the aims of our Republican colleagues, we respect the importance of Congressional oversight. We directed our staff to prepare this report only after we learned that House Republicans had begun
1 The Weaponization of the Federal Government: Hearing Before the H. Select Subcomm. on the Weaponization of the Fed. Gov’t, 118th Cong. (Feb. 9, 2023) (statement of Hon. Jim Jordan, Chairman, H. Comm. on the Judiciary). 1 of 315
to share the contents of these interviews with the press. Full context and a reasonable rebuttal are necessary to protect the truth. We commend to you this staff report on GOP Witnesses: What Their Disclosures Indicate About the State of the Republican Investigations. We hope it serves to educate the public about how House Republicans have found very few facts to fit their favorite talking points, even if it does not convince our colleagues to change their ways. ____________________________ Jerrold Nadler Ranking Member House Committee on the Judiciary ____________________________ Stacey E. Plaskett Ranking Member Select Subcommittee on the Weaponization of the Federal Government
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Mar 3, 2023 5:56:46 GMT
Just a little more... Allies of Donald Trump and Rep.Jim Jordan (R-Ohio) have been struggling mightily to come up with whistleblowers who will tell all about the imagined "deep state" conspiracy in the federal government out to get the former president. Instead, the effort has turned into a "dumpster fire" blowing up in their faces, Rolling Stone reported Thursday. *** While one Democrat has described the situation as a "dumpster fire," even a Republican has called it "amateur hour" in an interview with Rolling Stone. The GOP source admitted that airing this “stuff on live television would make us look like morons.” www.rawstory.com/jim-jordan-deep-state/
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dawnnikol
Prolific Pea
'A life without books is a life not lived.' Jay Kristoff
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Sept 21, 2015 18:39:25 GMT
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Post by dawnnikol on Mar 3, 2023 12:19:35 GMT
The GOP source admitted that airing this “stuff on live television would make us look like morons.” Too late.
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Post by onelasttime on Mar 3, 2023 14:48:20 GMT
Is this the future? I read this and I keep thinking of the Salem Witch Trials.
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Post by onelasttime on Mar 3, 2023 16:00:15 GMT
Unbelievable…
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Post by onelasttime on Mar 3, 2023 16:14:38 GMT
He’s right, it’s 8 minutes long but worth listening to.
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Post by onelasttime on Mar 3, 2023 17:04:08 GMT
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Post by onelasttime on Mar 3, 2023 17:40:25 GMT
What Hillary got wrong when she called some of the right as being deplorable is it’s not some of the right that is deplorable, it’s all of the right that is deplorable.
This guy with the brain of a nat called John Fetterman a vegetable and that maybe the job he should have being disabled is that of bagging groceries. And people laughed.
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Post by onelasttime on Mar 3, 2023 17:41:53 GMT
The reply has a point…
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Post by onelasttime on Mar 3, 2023 18:29:52 GMT
Good luck with that. They won’t do anything.
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