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Post by hop2 on Mar 3, 2023 11:51:25 GMT
The party of pro-life speaks out again for death with cruel and unusual punishment. Hanging by tree has a very specific intent. (Not that saying gallows would be better) Does he forget that Jan 6 they called for public hanging of our sitting Vice President at the time, a member of their own political party?!?! To my knowledge Pence has not left the GOP. If I were him I probably would have since they continue to uphold & support what happened that day. I couldn’t support a bunch of people who support a bunch of people who tried to hang me.
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Post by hop2 on Mar 3, 2023 11:53:15 GMT
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Post by hop2 on Mar 3, 2023 12:13:53 GMT
Not that this guy isn’t despicable. But Brian Tyler Cohen made several mistakes in his reporting of this incident, and honestly, I would have expected better of him. #1 this is not a U.S. Congressman. From BTC’s description, it sounds like he is. But actually he’s a Tennessee state representative. This exchange took place in the Tennessee House, not the U.S. House. #2 he did not use the term “lynching.” BTC is the one who brought in that word. It doesn’t mean “hanging from a tree,” although that’s actually how many lynchings were/are accomplished. It means an extra-legal murder, not imposed by the government. Again, BTC ought to know better. Now, was the implication to bring lynching to mind? Of course. But real journalists should do better. I understood that he meant Tennessee house- he did not say us Congress. But perhaps that is because I’ve heard it reported multiple times prior, I’m not sure. But I did not jump to US Congress person. What else would you call hanging by a tree? I have a lot of ponderings over the difference of hanging by a tree but I can’t bring myself to voice them as other methods are not actually any less barbaric. All in all I’m appalled that society wants to return to this kind of barbarism. Add into that the separate/segregated Justice system proposed in Jackson Ms and we are all set up to just execute people willy nilly with fake trials. I can not go back to that kind of society. I just can not. Edited: Ok this pondering I will voice, ‘hanging by a tree’ specifically implies not caring about due process, ‘hanging by a tree’ implies not even taking the time for a sham fake trial much less a real valid trial and an appeal. I can barely believe we are discussing hanging people at all much less adding in the implication of what ‘hanging by a tree’ adds to the situation.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Mar 3, 2023 13:44:24 GMT
Not that this guy isn’t despicable. But Brian Tyler Cohen made several mistakes in his reporting of this incident, and honestly, I would have expected better of him. #1 this is not a U.S. Congressman. From BTC’s description, it sounds like he is. But actually he’s a Tennessee state representative. This exchange took place in the Tennessee House, not the U.S. House. #2 he did not use the term “lynching.” BTC is the one who brought in that word. It doesn’t mean “hanging from a tree,” although that’s actually how many lynchings were/are accomplished. It means an extra-legal murder, not imposed by the government. Again, BTC ought to know better. Now, was the implication to bring lynching to mind? Of course. But real journalists should do better. I understood that he meant Tennessee house- he did not say us Congress. But perhaps that is because I’ve heard it reported multiple times prior, I’m not sure. But I did not jump to US Congress person. What else would you call hanging by a tree? I have a lot of ponderings over the difference of hanging by a tree but I can’t bring myself to voice them as other methods are not actually any less barbaric. All in all I’m appalled that society wants to return to this kind of barbarism. Add into that the separate/segregated Justice system proposed in Jackson Ms and we are all set up to just execute people willy nilly with fake trials. I can not go back to that kind of society. I just can not. Edited: Ok this pondering I will voice, ‘hanging by a tree’ specifically implies not caring about due process, ‘hanging by a tree’ implies not even taking the time for a sham fake trial much less a real valid trial and an appeal. I can barely believe we are discussing hanging people at all much less adding in the implication of what ‘hanging by a tree’ adds to the situation.Bold mine... Even if one person is reached by reading this, it is good!!
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Post by Olan on Mar 3, 2023 15:41:57 GMT
The fact that some on this thread are trying to justify semantics is repulsive. You all know what that old white southern man meant when he said "hanging by a tree". Repulsive? Yep. To be expected? Yep. These are the same women whose ancestors put on their Sunday best to watch life leave Black bodies. Nobody wants to talk about the why of it all either. Just coded language and circles. And history repeating itself.
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Post by twinsmomfla99 on Mar 3, 2023 21:14:48 GMT
From Dictionary.com:
verb (used with object) to put to death, especially by hanging, by mob action and without legal authority: In the 19th and 20th centuries, thousands of southern African Americans were lynched by white mobs. to criticize, condemn, etc., in public: He’s been unfairly lynched in the media.
Hanging to carry out a lawful execution is NOT lynching. It is repugnant and certainly not something our government should use today, but it is not lynching.
Words matter. Sensational but inaccurate headlines are not the way to argue a point that can be made just as readily by the truth. We complain about Fox News and their misrepresentations all the time. We should not accept similar behavior just because the author is making a point we want to be made.
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Post by lucyg on Mar 3, 2023 22:19:02 GMT
Not that this guy isn’t despicable. But Brian Tyler Cohen made several mistakes in his reporting of this incident, and honestly, I would have expected better of him. #1 this is not a U.S. Congressman. From BTC’s description, it sounds like he is. But actually he’s a Tennessee state representative. This exchange took place in the Tennessee House, not the U.S. House. #2 he did not use the term “lynching.” BTC is the one who brought in that word. It doesn’t mean “hanging from a tree,” although that’s actually how many lynchings were/are accomplished. It means an extra-legal murder, not imposed by the government. Again, BTC ought to know better. Now, was the implication to bring lynching to mind? Of course. But real journalists should do better. I understood that he meant Tennessee house- he did not say us Congress. But perhaps that is because I’ve heard it reported multiple times prior, I’m not sure. But I did not jump to US Congress person. What else would you call hanging by a tree? I have a lot of ponderings over the difference of hanging by a tree but I can’t bring myself to voice them as other methods are not actually any less barbaric. All in all I’m appalled that society wants to return to this kind of barbarism. Add into that the separate/segregated Justice system proposed in Jackson Ms and we are all set up to just execute people willy nilly with fake trials. I can not go back to that kind of society. I just can not. Edited: Ok this pondering I will voice, ‘hanging by a tree’ specifically implies not caring about due process, ‘hanging by a tree’ implies not even taking the time for a sham fake trial much less a real valid trial and an appeal. I can barely believe we are discussing hanging people at all much less adding in the implication of what ‘hanging by a tree’ adds to the situation. He described this man as “Rep. Paul Sherrell (R-TN).” (R-TN) is a descriptor for a U.S. Congressman from Tennessee. As he was referring to a Tennessee State House member, he should have described him as (R-City Name). Better yet, he should have labeled him as a TN state representative. This isn’t an average member of society we’re referring to. BTC is an established journalist and he has an obligation to be accurate in his choice of words. As a political reporter, he certainly ought to know better. And yes, I believe Sherrell’s use of “hanging from a tree” to be an oblique reference to lynching. But hanging from a tree also has a long history that pre-dates the existence of the United States, our system of slavery, and our history of lynching. The term lynching by its very definition does not mean a legally-approved execution. He may have deliberately brought the term to mind, but he did not call for a return to lynching. BTC chose that terminology. I agree with everything else you said.
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Post by flanz on Mar 3, 2023 22:20:34 GMT
What a disgusting PoS!!!
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Post by Olan on Mar 3, 2023 22:32:11 GMT
From Dictionary.com: verb (used with object) to put to death, especially by hanging, by mob action and without legal authority:In the 19th and 20th centuries, thousands of southern African Americans were lynched by white mobs. to criticize, condemn, etc., in public: He’s been unfairly lynched in the media.Hanging to carry out a lawful execution is NOT lynching. It is repugnant and certainly not something our government should use today, but it is not lynching. Words matter. Sensational but inaccurate headlines are not the way to argue a point that can be made just as readily by the truth. We complain about Fox News and their misrepresentations all the time. We should not accept similar behavior just because the author is making a point we want to be made. A lawful execution? Why were there no sentences handed down when my ancestors were lynched? Some pretty heinous shit has been considered perfectly fine in the eyes of the law you know. And it’s no wonder why. There will always be “good people” who aren’t actually. lynchinginamerica.eji.org/report/Even as lynchings became more frequently deadly, they differed greatly by region. An individual subject to a frontier lynching typically was accused of a crime such as murder or robbery, given some form of process and trial, and hanged without any additional torture or foul play.120 Southern lynchings, on the other hand, were commonly extrajudicial and employed to defend slavery.121 Between 1830 and 1860, Southern mobs killed an estimated 130 white individuals122 and at least 400 enslaved Black people. Most were lynched under suspicion of conspiring to mount a slave uprising—a growing but largely unsubstantiated fear among whites in slaveholding states.123 In addition, Southern lynchings of African Americans were distinct from lynchings of whites, and often featured extreme brutality such as burning, torture, mutilation, and decapitation of the victim.124 Southern lynching took on an even more racialized character after the Civil War. The act and threat of lynching became “primarily a technique of enforcing racial exploitation—economic, political, and cultural.”125 The character of the violence also changed as gruesome public spectacle lynchings became much more common. At these often festive community gatherings, large crowds of whites watched and participated in the Black victims’ prolonged torture, mutilation, dismemberment, and burning at the stake.130 Such brutally violent methods of execution had almost never been applied to whites in America. Indeed, public spectacle lynchings drew from and perpetuated the belief that Africans were subhuman—a myth that had been used to justify centuries of enslavement, and now fueled and purportedly justified terrorism aimed at newly-emancipated African American communities.131 A report published in 1905 explained that In 1906, Edward Johnson, a Black man, was convicted of raping a white woman and sentenced to death by an all-white jury in Chattanooga, Tennessee. His attorneys appealed the case and won a rare stay of execution from the United States Supreme Court. In response, a white mob seized Mr. Johnson from the jail, which had been vacated by the sheriff and his staff, dragged him through the streets, hanged him from the second span of the Walnut Street Bridge, and shot him hundreds of times. The mob left a note pinned on the corpse that read: “To Justice Harlan. Come get your nigger now.”134 Mr. Johnson used his last words to declare his innocence. Nearly a century later, he was cleared of the rape.135 Through lynching, Southern white communities asserted their racial dominance over the region’s political and economic resources—a dominance first achieved through slavery would now be restored through blood and terror.
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Post by twinsmomfla99 on Mar 3, 2023 22:50:43 GMT
From Dictionary.com: verb (used with object) to put to death, especially by hanging, by mob action and without legal authority:In the 19th and 20th centuries, thousands of southern African Americans were lynched by white mobs. to criticize, condemn, etc., in public: He’s been unfairly lynched in the media.Hanging to carry out a lawful execution is NOT lynching. It is repugnant and certainly not something our government should use today, but it is not lynching. Words matter. Sensational but inaccurate headlines are not the way to argue a point that can be made just as readily by the truth. We complain about Fox News and their misrepresentations all the time. We should not accept similar behavior just because the author is making a point we want to be made. A lawful execution? Why were there no sentences handed down when my ancestors were lynched? Some pretty heinous shit has been considered perfectly fine in the eyes of the law you know. And it’s no wonder why. There will always be “good people” who aren’t actually. lynchinginamerica.eji.org/report/Even as lynchings became more frequently deadly, they differed greatly by region. An individual subject to a frontier lynching typically was accused of a crime such as murder or robbery, given some form of process and trial, and hanged without any additional torture or foul play.120 Southern lynchings, on the other hand, were commonly extrajudicial and employed to defend slavery.121 Between 1830 and 1860, Southern mobs killed an estimated 130 white individuals122 and at least 400 enslaved Black people. Most were lynched under suspicion of conspiring to mount a slave uprising—a growing but largely unsubstantiated fear among whites in slaveholding states.123 In addition, Southern lynchings of African Americans were distinct from lynchings of whites, and often featured extreme brutality such as burning, torture, mutilation, and decapitation of the victim.124 Southern lynching took on an even more racialized character after the Civil War. The act and threat of lynching became “primarily a technique of enforcing racial exploitation—economic, political, and cultural.”125 The character of the violence also changed as gruesome public spectacle lynchings became much more common. At these often festive community gatherings, large crowds of whites watched and participated in the Black victims’ prolonged torture, mutilation, dismemberment, and burning at the stake.130 Such brutally violent methods of execution had almost never been applied to whites in America. Indeed, public spectacle lynchings drew from and perpetuated the belief that Africans were subhuman—a myth that had been used to justify centuries of enslavement, and now fueled and purportedly justified terrorism aimed at newly-emancipated African American communities.131 A report published in 1905 explained that In 1906, Edward Johnson, a Black man, was convicted of raping a white woman and sentenced to death by an all-white jury in Chattanooga, Tennessee. His attorneys appealed the case and won a rare stay of execution from the United States Supreme Court. In response, a white mob seized Mr. Johnson from the jail, which had been vacated by the sheriff and his staff, dragged him through the streets, hanged him from the second span of the Walnut Street Bridge, and shot him hundreds of times. The mob left a note pinned on the corpse that read: “To Justice Harlan. Come get your nigger now.”134 Mr. Johnson used his last words to declare his innocence. Nearly a century later, he was cleared of the rape.135 Through lynching, Southern white communities asserted their racial dominance over the region’s political and economic resources—a dominance first achieved through slavery would now be restored through blood and terror. Because by definition, a lynching is performed when no lawful sentence has been handed down. Which means an execution of a lawfully imposed death sentence is NOT a lynching. Both are repugnant. But a lynching is illegal while a hanging to execute a sentence is not. None of this discussion "excuses" the horrific acts of the past. But trying to equate a death sentence with the terrorism of white mobs adds nothing to the discussion, either.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Mar 3, 2023 23:11:15 GMT
The whole thing/discussion is horrific!!!!
He knows exactly what he was saying and the affect it would have.
Beyond that the intent of his speech 'hanging by a tree' is to direct and incite fear, particularly in POC.
There are no excuses.
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Post by used2scrap on Mar 4, 2023 22:09:35 GMT
I’d think if he was referring to a sentence handed down with justice he’d refer to gallows and not a tree.
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Post by hop2 on Mar 5, 2023 14:20:38 GMT
I’d think if he was referring to a sentence handed down with justice he’d refer to gallows and not a tree. Exactly. ‘Hanging by tree’ specifically speaks to lack of time for due process.
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