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Post by aj2hall on Mar 30, 2023 22:08:43 GMT
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Post by Lurkingpea on Mar 30, 2023 22:10:38 GMT
It seems wrong to want to celebrate this. But I want to. Will he be arrested next?
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Post by aj2hall on Mar 30, 2023 22:13:01 GMT
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Post by mom on Mar 30, 2023 22:15:16 GMT
It seems wrong to want to celebrate this. But I want to. Will he be arrested next? He will have to turn himself in and be fingerprinted and photographed. He won't stay in jail though. He's most likely going to be let out on personal recognizance.
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Post by aj2hall on Mar 30, 2023 22:15:57 GMT
It seems wrong to want to celebrate this. But I want to. Will he be arrested next? Good question. This mentions felony charges, but the charges are still unknown. www.nytimes.com/live/2023/03/30/nyregion/trump-indictment-news/trump-indictment-timeline?smid=url-shareThis is what will happen when Trump is arrested in the coming days.
After his arrest is processed, the former president is likely to be released on his own recognizance because the indictment likely contains only nonviolent felony charges.Credit...Doug Mills/The New York Times
He will be fingerprinted. He will be photographed. He may even be handcuffed.
In the days ahead, Donald J. Trump is expected to walk through the routine steps of felony arrest processing in New York, now that a grand jury has voted to indict him in connection with his role in a hush-money payment to a porn star. But the unprecedented arrest of a former commander in chief will be anything but routine.
Accommodations may be made for Mr. Trump. While it is standard for defendants arrested on felony charges to be handcuffed, it is unclear whether an exception will be made for the former president because of his status. Most defendants have their hands cuffed behind their backs, but some white-collar defendants who are deemed to pose less of a danger have their hands secured in front of them.
Mr. Trump will almost certainly be accompanied at every step of the process — from the moment he is taken into custody until his appearance before a judge in Lower Manhattan’s imposing Criminal Courts Building — by armed agents of the United States Secret Service, who are required by law to protect him at all times.
Security in the courthouse is provided by state court officers, with whom the Secret Service has worked in the past. But the chief spokesman for the agency, Anthony J. Guglielmi, said he could not comment on any specific measures that would be put in place for Mr. Trump.
It may take several days for Mr. Trump to appear at the courthouse. Now that the grand jury has voted to indict him, the indictment must be handed up. Then prosecutors would typically contact his defense lawyers to negotiate the terms of his surrender, a common practice in white-collar investigations when the district attorney’s office has been in touch with defense attorneys.
Lawyers for Mr. Trump, who is running for president a third time, have said he will surrender to face the charges and fly from his Florida estate to New York for the arraignment.
After he is arraigned, he is almost certain to be released on his own recognizance because the indictment will likely contain only nonviolent felony charges; under New York law, prosecutors cannot request bail in such cases.
The former president plans to use the charges as part of a campaign strategy to rile up his base.
Surrender, some might argue, is not in the confrontational former president’s DNA, and he often seems to relish antagonizing and attacking the prosecutors who have investigated him. He has called Alvin L. Bragg, the Manhattan district attorney who secured the hush money indictment and who is Black, “a racist,” and said that his investigation was politically motivated.
In the unlikely event that the former president refuses to surrender, he would put Gov. Ron DeSantis of Florida, his leading but undeclared rival for the Republican nomination, in an awkward political position. Under law, Mr. DeSantis’s role would be essentially ministerial and he would have few legal options other than approving an extradition request from New York.
Still, if New York prosecutors sought Mr. Trump’s extradition, Mr. DeSantis would face an unenviable dilemma. He would be compelled to choose between authorizing an arrest warrant for Mr. Trump and inflaming his base, or attempting in some way to aid his Republican rival, and possibly face legal action as a result.
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Post by Lurkingpea on Mar 30, 2023 22:18:18 GMT
It seems wrong to want to celebrate this. But I want to. Will he be arrested next? He will have to turn himself in and be fingerprinted and photographed. He won't stay in jail though. He's most likely going to be let out on personal recognizance. I knew they wouldn't hold him. How in the world will they keep the press away from outside the police station? Thanks for the detailed info above. Very interesting. I bet DeSantis would be thrilled to sign the extradition papers should that scenario arise. Oh to be a fly on the ketchup covered walls at Mar a Lago.
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Post by mom on Mar 30, 2023 22:21:25 GMT
He will have to turn himself in and be fingerprinted and photographed. He won't stay in jail though. He's most likely going to be let out on personal recognizance. I knew they wouldn't hold him. How in the world will they keep the press away from outside the police station? Thanks for the detailed info above. Very interesting. I bet DeSantis would be thrilled to sign the extradition papers should that scenario arise. Oh to be a fly on the ketchup covered walls at Mar a Lago. It will be a circus, for sure.
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Post by spitfiregirl on Mar 30, 2023 22:22:03 GMT
GAG ORDER FOR SURE!
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Post by Lurkingpea on Mar 30, 2023 22:23:38 GMT
I knew they wouldn't hold him. How in the world will they keep the press away from outside the police station? Thanks for the detailed info above. Very interesting. I bet DeSantis would be thrilled to sign the extradition papers should that scenario arise. Oh to be a fly on the ketchup covered walls at Mar a Lago. It will be a circus, for sure. I do sincerely worry what his cult will do.
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Post by aj2hall on Mar 30, 2023 22:24:02 GMT
He will have to turn himself in and be fingerprinted and photographed. He won't stay in jail though. He's most likely going to be let out on personal recognizance. I knew they wouldn't hold him. How in the world will they keep the press away from outside the police station? Whatever the charges, they will be non-violent and under NY law, he can't be held. I imagine it would be a nightmare for Secret Service, too, if he had to stay in jail. I'm sure pictures of Trump turning himself in or even a mug shot will make his supporters crazy. I hate DeSantis with a passion that almost rivals my hatred of Trump. A small part of me hopes that Trump refuses to turn himself in so DeSantis is forced to extract Trump. Trump never surrenders so it does seem like a possibility. I'm sure the ketchup is flying right now in Mar-a-Lago.
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Post by Lurkingpea on Mar 30, 2023 22:24:32 GMT
How the CNN heads are keeping a straight face during the reading of his statement. I do not know.
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Post by aj2hall on Mar 30, 2023 22:27:39 GMT
Not just Gaetz and Jordan, criticism of the DA from Republicans is flying. Most of them ignore the significant fact that it was the grand jury, not Bragg, not Biden and not the Democrats that indicted Trump. www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2023/03/30/trump-indictment-ny-stormy-daniels/#link-5XAATNEU5JCNFHVYOS3LXETMCQTrump attorney Alina Habba said: “A former president, a current candidate and my friend President Donald J. Trump is a victim of a corrupt and distorted version of the American justice system and history. He will be vindicated.” www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2023/03/30/trump-indictment-ny-stormy-daniels/#link-QD2KMXKG2BEE7GUQJEOEHGIHIERepublican National Committee Chairwoman Ronna McDaniel criticized Manhattan District Attorney Alvin Bragg (D). “When our justice system is weaponized as a political tool, it endangers all of us,” McDaniel said on Twitter while sharing news of the indictment. “This is a blatant abuse of power from a DA focused on political vengeance instead of keeping people safe.”www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2023/03/30/trump-indictment-ny-stormy-daniels/#link-BZNTXDXJ6FABDIUHSMA5U7X6PARepublicans called the indictment of former Donald Trump a political hit job, enacted by a rogue district attorney who is unfairly using the legal system to stymie the GOP’s strongest presidential candidate. House Majority Whip Steve Scalise (R-La.) wrote on Twitter: “The sham New York indictment of President Donald Trump is one of the clearest examples of extremist Democrats weaponizing government to attack their political opponents.” House Republican Conference Chair Rep. Elise Stefanik (R-N.Y.) who rose to the Republican House Leadership after becoming a vocal Trump defender, in a statement called the indictment an “unprecedented election interference from corrupt Socialist District Attorney Alvin Bragg." She also said tens of millions of Trump supporters “have never been so energized” to organize and vote for Trump next year.
“The radical Far Left will stop at nothing to persecute Joe Biden’s chief political opponent ahead of the 2024 presidential election to suppress the will and voice of the American people,” she said.
www.nytimes.com/live/2023/03/30/nyregion/trump-indictment-news/reaction-to-trumps-indictment-breaks-down-along-familiar-party-lines?smid=url-shareSpeaker Kevin McCarthy, Republican of California, harshly criticized Mr. Bragg, who he said had “irreparably damaged our country in an attempt to interfere in our presidential election.”
“As he routinely frees violent criminals to terrorize the public, he weaponized our sacred system of justice against President Donald Trump,” Mr. McCarthy said. “The American people will not tolerate this injustice, and the House of Representatives will hold Alvin Bragg and his unprecedented abuse of power to account.”
Representative Ronny Jackson, Republican of Texas, who served as the White House physician to Mr. Trump before winning election to Congress in 2020, captured the vitriolic partisan view of some Republicans in a post on Twitter.
“These cowardly Democrats HATE Trump and HATE his voters even more,” he wrote. “When Trump wins, THESE PEOPLE WILL PAY!!”
www.nytimes.com/live/2023/03/30/nyregion/trump-indictment-news/0eb3176e-229c-513c-a091-f4c1af924cf7?smid=url-shareChris Kise, a lawyer who represents Trump in a civil case brought by New York State, called the indictment “the lowest point in history for our criminal justice system. What was once the most respected and revered district attorney’s office in the nation has been fully bastardized by an opportunistic politician seeking, like many others, to cash in on the Trump brand. The complete lack of legal basis, coupled with the politically targeted nature of the prosecution, should strike fear into every citizen in this country irrespective of their views of President Trump.”
And from the guy who ran from the Jan 6 insurrectionists but also raised his fist in solidarity with them
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Post by aj2hall on Mar 30, 2023 22:30:26 GMT
The familiar cry of witch hunt. He can't help himself - the golden escalator. www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2023/03/30/trump-indictment-ny-stormy-daniels/#link-HKOTEBLZXZDVLGY6RETM4BRRO4Donald Trump, in a statement, said, “This is Political Persecution and Election Interference at the highest level in history. From the time I came down the golden escalator at Trump Tower, and even before I was sworn in as your President of the United States, the Radical Left Democrats — the enemy of the hard-working men and women of this Country — have been engaged in a Witch-Hunt to destroy the Make America Great Again movement.”There's more to his statement www.nytimes.com/2023/03/30/nyregion/trump-denounces-indictment-as-political-persecution.html?smid=url-shareDonald J. Trump responded to the news that he had been indicted in a statement, calling the Manhattan grand jury vote “political Persecution and Election Interference at the highest level in history.”Mr. Trump’s statement echoed what has been an extraordinary and blistering effort to try to prevent the Manhattan district attorney, Alvin L. Bragg, from indicting him.Still, it was remarkable in how aggressive it was against the prosecution, and a signal of what else may come.“The Democrats have lied, cheated and stolen in their obsession with trying to ‘Get Trump,’ but now they’ve done the unthinkable,” he wrote. “Indicting a completely innocent person.”Mr. Trump framed the investigation that resulted in the indictment as the latest in the long line of criminal inquiries he has faced, none of which have resulted in charges.
The specifics of the Manhattan indictment are not yet known, but the charges are expected to center on Mr. Trump’s role in a hush-money payment to a porn star in the run-up to the 2016 presidential election. “You remember it just like I do: Russia, Russia, Russia; the Mueller Hoax; Ukraine, Ukraine, Ukraine; Impeachment Hoax 1; Impeachment Hoax 2; the illegal and unconstitutional Mar-a-Lago raid; and now this,” he said. And he continued to paint the investigation as a larger conspiracy forwarded by his political opponents. Though he called Mr. Bragg a “disgrace” in his statement, he chose to lay the blame at the feet of his successor in the Oval Office. “I believe this Witch-Hunt will backfire massively on Joe Biden,” he said.
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Post by aj2hall on Mar 30, 2023 22:38:51 GMT
He left open the question of whether he will turn himself in. www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2023/03/30/trump-indictment-ny-stormy-daniels/#link-ND4LUELGDJCABFMYFUJY54RJ5EWhen asked by ABC News producer John Santucci if he would turn himself in, former president Donald Trump said “You take care, John” before ending a brief call with the reporter Thursday evening.
He also called the indictment “an attack on our country” and “political persecution,” Santucci said. Trump, who has said he will run again in 2024, also told Santucci: “They are trying to impact an election.”
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Post by aj2hall on Mar 30, 2023 22:45:39 GMT
That didn't take long www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2023/03/30/trump-indictment-ny-stormy-daniels/#link-DHBYL5SVVNHWTEOKQDCSBLYOHADonald Trump quickly used the indictment for campaign fundraising. “Friend, In just 24 hours, we’ll have to close the books on our campaign’s FIRST mandated deadline of the year with the Federal Election Commission,” said an email sent after 6 p.m. Thursday. “And make no mistake, when our first-quarter fundraising numbers go public, the Democrats will scour through those reports to see if Soros and the Deep State’s witch hunt out of Manhattan weakened our movement.”
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Post by dawnnikol on Mar 30, 2023 22:49:54 GMT
Don't you mean "indicated"?
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Post by monklady123 on Mar 30, 2023 22:55:44 GMT
It seems wrong to want to celebrate this. But I want to. Will he be arrested next? It might be wrong but here in my house we're celebrating. My dd happens to be here and we are enjoying the news. hahahaha
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Post by epeanymous on Mar 30, 2023 23:05:27 GMT
Looking forward to a lot of people who want police to have the power to execute shoplifters suddenly learning the difference between "enough evidence to arrest" and "enough evidence to convict."
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Post by TXMary on Mar 30, 2023 23:05:55 GMT
It seems wrong to want to celebrate this. But I want to. Will he be arrested next? It might be wrong but here in my house we're celebrating. My dd happens to be here and we are enjoying the news. hahahaha If celebrating this is wrong, I don't want to be right.
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Post by Gennifer on Mar 30, 2023 23:07:27 GMT
Don't you mean "indicated"? I mean, I get what you’re saying, but it appears autocorrect got you, too. I think the word you are both looking for is “indicted.” 🥴
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Post by Scrapper100 on Mar 30, 2023 23:07:56 GMT
Sorry I won’t celebrate until he is convicted of multiple crimes. If not convicted he wins among his people.
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Post by mom on Mar 30, 2023 23:12:38 GMT
Yeah I am not celebrating until he's convicted.
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Post by hop2 on Mar 30, 2023 23:18:50 GMT
This is not nearly the karma Trump deserves, not yet anyway
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Post by katlady on Mar 30, 2023 23:30:24 GMT
I hope they take his passport away and ground his private plane. Although, I guess he could easily get on the private plane of one of his "pals".
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Post by aj2hall on Mar 30, 2023 23:36:52 GMT
Really hoping this doesn't become an issue www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2023/03/30/trump-indictment-ny-stormy-daniels/#link-AYLXMX235RFCBBZ3OOVJLCO2FAwww.washingtonpost.com/politics/2023/03/30/trump-indictment-ny-stormy-daniels/#link-AYQRMB3XIVBK3KP7LEQA7JMAPMGov. Ron DeSantis (R) said on Twitter that Florida will not assist New York with any extradition requests in case one is needed to arrest former president Donald Trump. “Florida will not assist in an extradition request given the questionable circumstances at issue” with Manhattan District Attorney Alvin Bragg and his “political agenda,” DeSantis said. An extradition order would be needed only if Trump refuses to surrender to authorities. In a statement, a spokesperson for Bragg said the Manhattan district attorney’s office has contacted Trump’s attorney “to coordinate his surrender to the Manhattan D.A.’s Office for arraignment on a Supreme Court indictment.” In a tweet, DeSantis accused Bragg of weaponizing the legal system “to advance a political agenda” that he said “turns the rule of law on its head.” “It is un-American,” DeSantis said.
The Florida governor is expected to announce a bid for the 2024 GOP presidential nomination soon, a decision that would put him in direct competition with Trump. That, however, has not stopped DeSantis from criticizing and attempting to discredit investigations into Trump, specifically Manhattan’s. In his tweet, DeSantis also baselessly accused Bragg of “consistently [bending] the law to downgrade felonies and to excuse criminal misconduct,” and of being funded by left-wing philanthropist George Soros. Bragg, DeSantis claimed, “is stretching the law to target a political opponent.”
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Post by aj2hall on Mar 30, 2023 23:39:19 GMT
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Post by mom on Mar 30, 2023 23:39:32 GMT
I hope they take his passport away and ground his private plane. Although, I guess he could easily get on the private plane of one of his "pals". Flying in a private pane does not mean you don't have to show a passport. Everyone on board -- kids and adults --- have to show a valid passport when landing in a new country. Trump isn't going to leave the US. He truly has no reason to.
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Post by katlady on Mar 30, 2023 23:39:58 GMT
Don't you mean "indicated"? Trump, saying this an attack on our election system. How??
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Post by aj2hall on Mar 30, 2023 23:43:25 GMT
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Post by scrappinmama on Mar 30, 2023 23:51:43 GMT
I hope he is found guilty and serves time for his crimes. But the damage he has done to this country has been done. He did something to the Republican party. They sold their souls to get him into office. And his presidency made racist people feels safe to spew their hatred. I don't know how we recover from this. But I hope to God that the remainder of his life reflects the pain that he caused this country.
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