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Post by aj2hall on Mar 31, 2023 0:14:32 GMT
It seems highly unlikely the Republicans will stay on the sidelines and just let this play out www.nytimes.com/live/2023/03/30/nyregion/trump-indictment-news/e6aff444-1418-5c09-a9fe-3a00a263fe7a?smid=url-shareOne question is how House Republicans, who have already tried demanding information from Bragg in what may foreshadow a potentially novel subpoena, will respond. Rep. Dan Goldman, the New York Democrat who was the majority counsel in Trump’s first impeachment before running for Congress, said in a statement that the case should be allowed to play out under courtroom rules and without outside meddling: “As the process plays out, every elected official from across the ideological spectrum must make unequivocally clear that there is no room for political violence or interference. Donald Trump’s defense must take place in the court of law, not in the halls of Congress or in the political sphere.”
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Post by aj2hall on Mar 31, 2023 0:44:41 GMT
I like her statement but I made the mistake of looking at the comments, some of them are unbelievable
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Post by aj2hall on Mar 31, 2023 1:50:43 GMT
Tucker Carlson is deliberately stirring up Trump's base. Nothing good will come from that. www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2023/03/30/trump-indictment-ny-stormy-daniels/#link-C43A3FCZVNH5FLY3WKO5DGYTEMFox News host Tucker Carlson suggested Thursday that Donald Trump’s indictment could be a form of incitement, a notion that was backed up — and advanced — by one of his guests. “It almost feels they’re pushing the population to react,” Carlson said. “‘We think they’re demoralized and passive. Let’s see if they really are.’ At what point do we conclude they’re doing this in order to produce a reaction?” Carlson said that those behind the indictment seemed to want to change the nature of the political system. “Obviously, this is a humiliation ritual,” he said, referring to a Trump arrest. “The question is: How do we respond, as Americans who are trying to be decent and measured and keeping as always the interest of children and grandchildren in mind?” Former ESPN personality Jason Whitlock said: “They are agitating for unrest. That is the only way to interpret this.” Whitlock then seemed to call for some type of societal action. “I’m ready for whatever’s next,” he said. “And I hope every other man out there watching this show, I hope you’re ready for whatever’s next. If that’s what they want, let’s get to it.” Carlson also called for some form of protest and drew a comparison to the Jan. 6, 2021, insurrection at the U.S. Capitol, which has been a major focus of his show. “If you believe in our system and you want it to continue, you have to raise your hand and say ‘stop,’” he said, “because this is too great an assault on our system, much greater than anything we saw on January 6th, that’s for sure. This is transparently political — it’s an effort to take him out of the political race. That’s not allowed.”
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Post by aj2hall on Mar 31, 2023 1:54:40 GMT
OPINION THE EDITORIAL BOARD Even Donald Trump Should Be Held Accountable Gift article - no paywall www.nytimes.com/2023/03/30/opinion/trump-indicted.html?unlocked_article_code=t61f325iei9TwEzJ2HDlYGMRGYfeZiircwshfiMq0v-fAITjp658mhICfPtbqB_4Bodl2ZbFT3op4gET6P9nadtP8yugtNEZ0QQet7x7-FG17b6s0VeacMbzcDVZHpvINSRaE1iTotqP7MrJ5vpe4zng9lsicKKd-GpI87pqyck4Pdj2_A-1dq8I1CHii9Yklb_wTqiy-cmyLSf5axOGEMRRuzHjx8lfICanZl4Ay8rnwknuJIxylepgFQci1eLHLfpwlJeLWwkvtlf4n-SCqtIds5vxPuPlQtRKET9VHJNnDsCN7ii-JyvEUW4yN8uh8S4XTZqqKhw&smid=url-shareFor the first time in American history, a grand jury has indicted a former president of the United States, The Times reported on Thursday. Donald Trump spent years as a candidate, in office and out of office, ignoring democratic and legal norms and precedents, trying to bend the Justice Department and the judiciary to his whims and behaving as if rules didn’t apply to him.
As the news of the indictment shows, they do.
A pattern of disregard for the law often leads to a criminal indictment, and that is the outcome Mr. Trump now faces. Federal and state prosecutors were right to set aside concerns about political fallout, or reverence for the presidency, and initiate thorough criminal investigations of Mr. Trump’s conduct in at least four instances. The investigation by the Manhattan district attorney is the first known to result in an indictment.
Mr. Trump completely transformed the relationship between the presidency and the rule of law, often asserting that a president was above the law. So it is appropriate that his actions as president and as a candidate should now be formally weighed by judges and juries, with the possibility of criminal penalties on the line. Mr. Trump badly damaged America’s political and legal institutions and threatened them again with calls for widespread protests once he is indicted. But those institutions have proved to be strong enough to hold him accountable for that harm.
A healthy respect for the legal system also requires Americans to set aside their politics when forming judgments on these cases. While Mr. Trump routinely called for his enemies to be investigated by the F.B.I., to be indicted or to face the death penalty, his indifference to due process for others shouldn’t deny him the system’s benefits, including a fair trial and the presumption of innocence. At the same time, no jury should extend to him any special privileges as a former president. He should have to follow the same procedures as any other citizen.
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Post by pinklady on Mar 31, 2023 3:12:49 GMT
🤣😂🤣
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Mar 31, 2023 3:17:20 GMT
Just a little itty bitty tidbit from Rachel Maddow. I will tell you, since this particular district attorney, Alvin Bragg, has been the district attorney for Manhattan, his office has reportedly charged falsification of business records as a felony count 117 times. He has not been D.A. for that long, but in that time he's been indicted on this charge 11 times. And that's what you call trivia because it's not that important. Not one of those cases was interesting enough to make the news on its own terms." Additionally, Maddow said, this case has in some ways "already happened to a certain degree." www.rawstory.com/trump-maga-fans-break-america/
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Post by edie3 on Mar 31, 2023 3:24:14 GMT
I hope they take his passport away and ground his private plane. My DH thinks he's not a flight risk! Someone is drinking the Kool-Aid.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Mar 31, 2023 3:44:27 GMT
DeSantis has changed his tune... Under Florida law, a governor can review an extradition request, but that wouldn’t give DeSantis the power to block it, Palm Beach County State Attorney Dave Aronberg said. ”If Trump decides to fight extradition, it is going to be a ministerial matter for the governor,” he said. “Conceivably, the governor could slow it down, but he cannot stop it.” In a tweet, DeSantis wrote that Trump’s indictment in the Stormy Daniels hush money case was a “weaponization of the legal system to advance a political agenda.” He added the state would not help in the extradition request “given the questionable circumstances at issue with this Soros-backed Manhattan prosecutor and his political agenda,” referring to liberal billionaire George Soros. His statement has changed from his remarks at an event in Panama City on March 20, when DeSantis said he had “no interest in getting involved” in the case that apparently stems from allegations that Trump paid hush money to Daniels in 2016 to cover up an affair.nordot.app/10143
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Mar 31, 2023 3:48:56 GMT
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Post by cycworker on Mar 31, 2023 4:15:57 GMT
I'm celebrating, too.... but the real celebrations for me will start if/when there are indictments from other jurisdictions, like the Georgia case, the documents, and his role in fomenting an insurrection. Also - I don't JUST want him indicted. I want him found guilty. And then I want him to lose his Secret Service protection & be thrown in jail.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Mar 31, 2023 4:41:56 GMT
Unbelievable...
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Mar 31, 2023 4:43:54 GMT
Hawley the Capitol runner, after his famous fist pump!!
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Post by LiLi on Mar 31, 2023 4:44:22 GMT
Even if he's convicted he can still run for president and win. Our country is fucked and broken. I'm not celebrating. He just got more power over the crazies.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Mar 31, 2023 5:16:04 GMT
And what's left, but to deal with the corrupted SCOTUS, proven once again .. A secret deal between Justices John Roberts and Anthony Kennedy on gay rights and what it means todayBy Joan Biskupic, CNN Senior Supreme Court Analyst Published 5:06 AM EDT, Thu March 30, 2023 CNN — When the Supreme Court declared a constitutional right to same-sex marriage in 2015, Chief Justice John Roberts revealed extraordinary anger as he read aloud what for him was an unprecedented dissent from the bench. Roberts emphasized the ancient understanding of marriage as between a man and woman and argued that any approval of same-sex unions should be left to state legislatures. It remains the only time in his 18 years as chief justice that he has taken the dramatic step of going beyond the words of his written opinion and orally dissenting. Just two years later, however, Roberts was motivated to work privately with Justice Anthony Kennedy, the author of the Obergefell v. Hodges landmark ruling, to steer the court’s outcome in a pair of key gay rights disputes. The negotiations in those cases, not previously reported, offer a glimpse into trade-offs among justices, demonstrate the chief’s soft power of persuasion and show that the court’s sentiment on gay rights issues can be both fraught and evolving. The justices abhor any suggestion of dealmaking, whether overt or implicit, but closed-door pacts occur, and Roberts has been at the center of them for years. In many instances, law clerks know about a deal struck between justices. But in others, only the two justices involved truly know. Sometimes various chambers have dueling accounts of what happened, or individual justices remain baffled about why a colleague voted the way he or she did in the end. ADVERTISING Here, Roberts would join Kennedy in favor of LGBTQ interests in ruling that Arkansas could not prevent two lesbians from both being named on their baby’s birth certificate. Meanwhile, Kennedy would vote for the court to hear the appeal of the owner of Masterpiece Cakeshop in Colorado, who’d been sanctioned for refusing to bake a wedding cake for two gay men. The pact had an additional result of keeping a testy draft from Justice Samuel Alito regarding the Masterpiece Cakeshop petition from becoming public. The justices’ public action in both cases was deliberately announced on the same day, June 26, 2017. That also reflected a pattern of Roberts’. The acceptance of an appeal from a baker who had refused to create a cake for a gay couple based on religious objections could easily have led to a public perception of new Supreme Court hostility toward gay rights. But announcing the Arkansas birth-certificate ruling countered that perception, at least in the moment. The backstory of two gay rights cases handled in tandem in 2017 has new salience today. The justices are currently considering another dispute testing the free-speech rights of business operators who say their Christian beliefs prevent them from serving same-sex couples. That decision, expected by June, could clarify the reach of Obergefell’s protections – and limits – for same-sex couples. The justices may eventually revisit Obergefell v. Hodges more fully, too. When the court reversed abortion rights last June, Justice Clarence Thomas urged his colleagues to reconsider other decisions based on constitutional due process of law, including the right to same-sex marriage. Ginsburg Kavanaugh Barrett SPLIT How Ginsburg's death and Kavanaugh's maneuvering shaped the Supreme Court's reversal of Roe v. Wade and abortion rights It is notable, too, that only two of the five members of the Obergefell majority still serve, Sonia Sotomayor and Elena Kagan. *** The court today is still getting its bearings, and Roberts is always looking for allies. www.cnn.com/2023/03/30/politics/supreme-court-roberts-kennedy-gay-rights-masterpiece-cakeshop/index.html
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Post by hop2 on Mar 31, 2023 11:13:57 GMT
I hope he is found guilty and serves time for his crimes. But the damage he has done to this country has been done. He did something to the Republican party. They sold their souls to get him into office. And his presidency made racist people feels safe to spew their hatred. I don't know how we recover from this. But I hope to God that the remainder of his life reflects the pain that he caused this country. That will never happen. Also, this plays right into his hands, he’ll play the attacked victim right into the presidency again. This will motivate his cult to save him
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Post by casii on Mar 31, 2023 14:08:43 GMT
Am I correct in the thought that a grand jury won't indict unless they've pretty much sewn up the deal with solid, indisputable evidence?
As for his cult members, if they're willing to burn the country down to save the Cheeto Mussolini, I hope the states they act up in, inflict some consequences and arrest them all straight away vs like J6 when they let all the traitors wander back to their homes, wasting time and resources to then track them down.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Mar 31, 2023 14:16:50 GMT
Unfortunately casii his hoards will destroy the blue cities to show the libs!! *** With this case seems short jail time. He can be on house confinement with Secret service. If he is guilty of big things against the US, I'm not sure he should keep the secret service for life. It is far too expensive to put him in jail with 24hr protection...
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Post by dawnnikol on Mar 31, 2023 14:17:34 GMT
As for his cult members, if they're willing to burn the country down to save the Cheeto Mussolini, I hope the states they act up in, inflict some consequences and arrest them all straight away vs like J6 when they let all the traitors wander back to their homes, wasting time and resources to then track them down. I hope he brings them all down with him. Fire is cleansing, too.
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Post by aj2hall on Mar 31, 2023 14:49:17 GMT
I'm wondering about the impact on his campaign. Will it help or hurt him? I think it will help in the short term, by rallying support around him, raising money and firing up the base. However, I don't think it will help him in the long term with voters other than his base. The few remaining moderates and some independent voters are just tired of all of the drama. He can't win a general election with just his base.
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Post by crazy4scraps on Mar 31, 2023 14:58:01 GMT
I'm wondering about the impact on his campaign. Will it help or hurt him? I think it will help in the short term, by rallying support around him, raising money and firing up the base. However, I don't think it will help him in the long term with voters other than his base. The few remaining moderates and some independent voters are just tired of all of the drama. He can't win a general election with just his base. I hope you’re right. I hope that the swing voters who voted for him in 2016 for purely selfish reasons have come to their senses and now realize that when the far right burns it all down, no one wins.
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Post by epeanymous on Mar 31, 2023 15:49:03 GMT
Extremely rich from the party whose 2016 capaign rally refrain was "lock her up."
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Mar 31, 2023 16:30:18 GMT
I'm celebrating, too.... but the real celebrations for me will start if/when there are indictments from other jurisdictions, like the Georgia case, the documents, and his role in fomenting an insurrection. Also - I don't JUST want him indicted. I want him found guilty. And then I want him to lose his Secret Service protection & be thrown in jail. Unfortunately he keeps the secret service detail forever unless Congress is able to pass legislation. But that could be extremely difficult these days. OR it might be hard to change it after the fact for him, but possible for future situations...
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Post by oh yvonne on Mar 31, 2023 16:43:47 GMT
I am so overjoyed! My brother and I are exchanging memes by text and it's fricking hilarious.
Hilarious until I see how Fox news and all the Republicans are coordinated in effort to stir up the MAGA base to protest. It's absolutely sickening.
Next week should be interesting in my home. DB is taking our mom on a week vacation with his family and my dad will be too lonely left alone so I'm picking him up on Sunday to stay the week w/me at my house.
Dad and mom are full on Republican MAGA drink the Koolaide orange jesus worshipping Evangelical Christians. Who ironically, live a very comfortable lifestyle due to dad's UNION won full on pension. But the liberals..so evil! (shakes head)
DB and I can't even talk to him about politics anymore. Well I plan to block Fox and OAN from all my tv boxes for the week that he's here. The only news he'll have avail to him is MSNBC CNN and the major networks.
Tuesday should be interesting. Crossing my fingers that he hears actual news (that's all he watches all day) and his eyes are opened just a little. Anyone wants to follow along on how it goes w/him I'll update you lol.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Mar 31, 2023 17:37:31 GMT
Unfortunately, The call is out... Minutes after former President Donald Trump was indicted by a grand jury in New York, his supporters flooded social media and extremist message boards with violent and racist threats against the officials prosecuting Trump, as well as bloody civil war.“This cannot go unpunished,” one member of the rabidly pro-Trump message board The Donald wrote on Thursday night. “The DA needs to pay dearly.” “None of this will stop unless there is blood in the streets,” another poster wrote. In Trump’s own statement, the former president called the indictment a “political persecution” and referred to Manhattan District Attorney Alvin Bragg as “hand-picked and funded by George Soros,” and stated that Bragg is “doing Joe Biden’s dirty work.” *** .... another user commented: “There once was a time when he would have been lynched for much less.”“Can’t we put a bounty on Bragg’s head? Time to fight lawlessness with lawlessness,” one user wrote. In response, someone said: “Hey man a lot of us are thinking the same thing, but if I said what should really happen I'd be charged with ‘terroristic threats.’” And it goes on..... www.vice.com/en/article/5d9p9q/trump-indictment-civil-war-the-donald
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Post by Gem Girl on Mar 31, 2023 20:14:46 GMT
Unfortunately casii his hoards will destroy the blue cities to show the libs!! *** With this case seems short jail time. He can be on house confinement with Secret service. If he is guilty of big things against the US, I'm not sure he should keep the secret service for life. It is far too expensive to put him in jail with 24hr protection... They should just put him into solitary, then. Maybe a cozy setup like Hannibal Lecter had.
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Post by Just T on Mar 31, 2023 20:46:40 GMT
“None of this will stop unless there is blood in the streets,” another poster wrote. This is so scary. What the HELL is it about this guy that evokes such devotion?? I will never understand.
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Post by sabrinae on Mar 31, 2023 21:02:27 GMT
Am I correct in the thought that a grand jury won't indict unless they've pretty much sewn up the deal with solid, indisputable evidence? As for his cult members, if they're willing to burn the country down to save the Cheeto Mussolini, I hope the states they act up in, inflict some consequences and arrest them all straight away vs like J6 when they let all the traitors wander back to their homes, wasting time and resources to then track them down. Not necessarily. The standard for a grand jury to indict is probable cause while the standard at trial is beyond a reasonable doubt. The grand jury also only hears from the prosecution. In the case, I sure hope and expect that the prosecution has went much farther than normal in ensuring their case is absolutely solid.
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Post by aj2hall on Mar 31, 2023 21:28:09 GMT
I don't always agree with my governor, but in comparison to other Republican responses, his statement about dividing the country is probably true and he withheld judgement until the charges are known. Other Republicans could certainly learn something about restraint from him. www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2023/03/31/trump-indictment-new-york-news-updates/#link-5SPYZGO6N5GX3OABCB35SAVZVANew Hampshire Gov. Chris Sununu, a potential GOP White House contender in 2024, said his central concern about the indictment of former president Donald Trump by a Manhattan grand jury is that it will further divide a deeply fractured country.
“My biggest fear isn’t about whether he’s guilty or not,” said Sununu, who has called for his party to move on from Trump. “My biggest fear is that this is another giant political wedge that is going to divide this country even further. It creates a lot of partisan hype on both sides that is not constructive, that breaks down the barriers of better communication between the parties to get stuff done.”
Sununu said in an interview Friday that he is withholding judgment on the indictment because the full scope of the Manhattan case is not yet clear: “I haven’t read what the charges are yet, so I don’t really have a take on the indictment directly.”
As he explores a run for the Republican nomination, Sununu has been talking to potential financial backers and GOP activists about what he characterized as his record of brokering compromise in a closely divided state as he strives to lower the temperature in a political conversation that is often driven by the extremes on both sides.
“Things like this just constantly drive wedges amongst the American people,” Sununu said of the indictment. “No one knows whether this is going to be good or bad for the former president. But I’m less worried about that and more worried about what it means for this country.”
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Mar 31, 2023 21:35:46 GMT
Not at all Republicans are loons. Although I disagree with many, some are at least reasonable. aj2hall
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Post by Gem Girl on Mar 31, 2023 22:37:39 GMT
“None of this will stop unless there is blood in the streets,” another poster wrote. This is so scary. What the HELL is it about this guy that evokes such devotion?? I will never understand. I think it's that they share the same hates.
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