cycworker
Pearl Clutcher
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Jun 26, 2014 0:42:38 GMT
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Post by cycworker on Apr 1, 2023 2:49:11 GMT
I'm celebrating, too.... but the real celebrations for me will start if/when there are indictments from other jurisdictions, like the Georgia case, the documents, and his role in fomenting an insurrection. Also - I don't JUST want him indicted. I want him found guilty. And then I want him to lose his Secret Service protection & be thrown in jail. Unfortunately he keeps the secret service detail forever unless Congress is able to pass legislation. But that could be extremely difficult these days. OR it might be hard to change it after the fact for him, but possible for future situations... That's insane. A criminal shouldn't be protected by the Secret Service.
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Post by myshelly on Apr 1, 2023 2:57:42 GMT
Am I correct in the thought that a grand jury won't indict unless they've pretty much sewn up the deal with solid, indisputable evidence? No, that’s not correct. The standard for a grand jury is less than the standard of proof at trial. Have you ever heard the phrase “a grand jury would indict a ham sandwich”? It’s a famous quote - “Any good prosecutor could get a grand jury to indict a ham sandwich.”
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Post by aj2hall on Apr 1, 2023 3:26:51 GMT
Interesting perspective on the importance of this particular indictment www.nytimes.com/2023/03/31/opinion/trump-criminal-charges-indictment.htmlI devoutly hope that Trump will face consequences for trying to steal the 2020 election in Georgia and summoning a mob to stop his vice president from certifying his defeat. But in a way, it’s fitting that this indictment is first. Certainly, it would be a mistake for Manhattan District Attorney Alvin Bragg to proceed if his case isn’t solid. But there’s some justice in the fact that before Trump can be tried for crimes committed to remain in the presidency, he’s set to be tried for crimes committed to put him there.
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Post by aj2hall on Apr 1, 2023 5:19:35 GMT
Great opinion on the unprecedented, unconstitutional demands regarding the investigation from House Republicans heathercoxrichardson.substack.com/p/march-31-2023?r=1f0orz&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=emailToday, Leslie B. Dubeck, the general counsel for the Manhattan district attorney’s office, wrote to Representatives Jim Jordan (R-OH), chair of the House Committee on the Judiciary; Bryan Steil (R-WI), chair of the House Committee on House Administration; and James Comer (R-KY), chair of the House Committee on Oversight and Accountability, to warn them that their attacks on Manhattan district attorney Alvin Bragg and his office were “unlawful political interference.”
Jordan, Steil, and Comer have tried to intervene in the district attorney’s investigation of former president Trump. Even before a grand jury of ordinary citizens voted to file charges against Trump, the three men demanded the district attorney share with them confidential information about the state of the investigation. The district attorney did not give it to them because, as Dubeck said, “our Office is legally constrained in how it publicly discusses pending criminal proceedings,… as you well know. That secrecy is critical to protecting the privacy of the target of any criminal investigation as well as the integrity of the independent grand jury’s proceedings,” she wrote.
She called their interference “unnecessary and unjustified” and reminded the men that Congress has no jurisdiction over individual criminal investigations. Nor does it have jurisdiction over state investigations. “The Committees’ attempted interference with an ongoing state criminal investigation—and now prosecution—is an unprecedented and illegitimate incursion on New York’s sovereign interests,” she wrote.
Dubeck noted that the men were reportedly working closely with Trump to attack the district attorney’s office and the grand jury process, making it seem that “you are acting more like criminal defense counsel trying to gather evidence for a client than a legislative body seeking to achieve a legitimate legislative objective.”
Dubeck noted that Trump has been threatening Bragg personally and warning that his indictment might unleash “death & destruction.” She pointed out that the three men, as committee chairs, “could use the stature of your office to denounce these attacks and urge respect for the fairness of our justice system and for the work of the impartial grand jury.” Instead, they and their colleagues were collaborating with Trump to attack the justice system as politically motivated. “We urge you to refrain from these inflammatory accusations, withdraw your demand for information, and let the criminal justice process proceed without unlawful political interference,” she wrote.
Dubeck concluded by noting that subpoenaing the district attorney for information about an ongoing state criminal prosecution, as they threatened to do, was “unprecedented and unconstitutional” and expressed hope they would “make a good-faith effort to reach a negotiated resolution.”
talkingpointsmemo.com/news/manhattan-da-slams-house-gop-for-giving-trumps-inflammatory-accusations-a-platform
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Apr 1, 2023 13:48:36 GMT
After loudly declaring his innocence, again!! He says.. Note he says he is THIS MUST MAKE ME THE MOST HONEST AND HONORABLE MAN ANYWHERE IN THE WORLD, Trump said that authorities have reviewed 11 million pages of documents, tax returns and financial records, some of which he alleges were obtained by investigators illegally. "AFTER 8 YEARS OF VARIOUS POLITICALLY MOTIVATED INVESTIGATIONS, HOAXES, SCAMS, AND WITCH HUNTS, THIS MUST MAKE ME THE MOST HONEST AND HONORABLE MAN ANYWHERE IN THE WORLD," he wrote. "NOBODY IN HISTORY HAS EVER BEEN THROUGH THE SCRUTINY THAT I HAVE. MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN!!! www.rawstory.com/trump-2659711107/
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Apr 1, 2023 16:10:46 GMT
Jenna Ellis, ex TFG lawyer says DeSantis has offered TFG sanctuary... Um, no he hasn't... A former Donald Trump attorney is calling on the ex-president to refuse to surrender to New York authorities and remain at Mar-a-Lago, where Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis has promised him sanctuary. *** Ellis urged Trump to take his political frenemy’s offer. “Trump should refuse to surrender to New York and use this opportunity to work with DeSantis, who has said Florida will not assist an extradition request,” Ellis tweeted. *** “Florida will not assist in an extradition request given the questionable circumstances at issue with this Soros-backed Manhattan prosecutor and his political agenda.” www.rawstory.com/jenna-ellis-2659711036/
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Just T
Drama Llama
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Jun 26, 2014 1:20:09 GMT
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Post by Just T on Apr 1, 2023 18:53:16 GMT
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Post by aj2hall on Apr 1, 2023 19:37:30 GMT
Excellent point. Turnabout is fair play. Trump frequently called for political opponents to be indicted -crooked Hillary was just one. He pressured his justice department to go after political enemies. The Republican suggestion that former presidents should be off limits is unreasonable and unjustifiable. More specifically, they believe only Republican presidents should be off limits. gift article wapo.st/42VU3c7Trump ceded the moral high ground on presidential indictments long ago He pushed for prosecutions of the current and previous Democratic presidents and last four Democratic nominees A persistent idea undergirds reactions by Donald Trump and the GOP to Trump’s indictment. Sometimes it’s explicitly stated, and sometimes it’s more implicit: Indicting a former president and a candidate in the next election is beyond the pale. It’s even election “interference” or the stuff of banana republics. Trump ceded the moral high ground on this idea long ago. He has advocated for the prosecutions of each of the last four Democratic presidential nominees — every single one since 2004. In two cases, he did it during the campaign, even suggesting they should be ineligible to run. And that’s to say nothing of the many other political opponents he has suggested should be prosecuted. He even, in some cases, actually agitated for that outcome when he held sway over the Justice Department.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Apr 1, 2023 19:50:44 GMT
The only reason for televising the full trial, partly because some of his followers WILL watch and hear and see the truths. But TFG would make it a full time circus...
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Apr 1, 2023 19:53:05 GMT
Interesting perspective on the importance of this particular indictment www.nytimes.com/2023/03/31/opinion/trump-criminal-charges-indictment.htmlI devoutly hope that Trump will face consequences for trying to steal the 2020 election in Georgia and summoning a mob to stop his vice president from certifying his defeat. But in a way, it’s fitting that this indictment is first. Certainly, it would be a mistake for Manhattan District Attorney Alvin Bragg to proceed if his case isn’t solid. But there’s some justice in the fact that before Trump can be tried for crimes committed to remain in the presidency, he’s set to be tried for crimes committed to put him there.And the Democrats say NOTHING!! Biden, as president, would have to tread with care, but the rest of them and us could shout it from the roof tops.,
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Post by Gem Girl on Apr 1, 2023 20:34:25 GMT
Jenna Ellis, ex TFG lawyer says DeSantis has offered TFG sanctuary... Um, no he hasn't... A former Donald Trump attorney is calling on the ex-president to refuse to surrender to New York authorities and remain at Mar-a-Lago, where Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis has promised him sanctuary. *** Ellis urged Trump to take his political frenemy’s offer. “Trump should refuse to surrender to New York and use this opportunity to work with DeSantis, who has said Florida will not assist an extradition request,” Ellis tweeted. *** “Florida will not assist in an extradition request given the questionable circumstances at issue with this Soros-backed Manhattan prosecutor and his political agenda.” www.rawstory.com/jenna-ellis-2659711036/Does she really think that she, as an officer of the court, should be encouraging defiance of the law? SMH
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Post by Gem Girl on Apr 1, 2023 20:37:07 GMT
The only reason for televising the full trial, partly because some of his followers WILL watch and hear and see the truths. But TFG would make it a full time circus... TFG would certainly want to make it a full-time circus. The judge will not allow that in his courtroom, and he can enforce it with the threat of jail. If TFG wants to get to jail sooner than a guilty verdict would put him there, he can try that kind of nonsense.
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Post by Gem Girl on Apr 1, 2023 20:41:46 GMT
I don't understand why anybody would want either of them, especially now that Duh-Santis is showing a willingness to join TFG in trampling the Constitution. The deplorable crowd hasn't shown themselves to be very bright.
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Post by Scrapper100 on Apr 1, 2023 23:01:36 GMT
So google says the trial date is October 2nd. Wonder how long Trump can delay it as you know he will. Will this ever go to trial? I wish it would happen sooner just because it’s going to be such a crazy case and his fans will be just frothing at the mouth.
I love how they say this is political but not all the times he really did do that. IRS audits and of course the Lock her up, Hunters laptop and so many other cases of blatant misuse during his presidency. The whole birther thing with Obama long before he was considering a run. I’m just tired of him grifting. We know he is going to make money on this. 🤦♀️
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Apr 2, 2023 13:31:31 GMT
Haberman on cameras in the court room.. Maggie Haberman, New York Times correspondent and CNN analyst believes cameras in the courtroom will prevent former President Donald Trump from convincing his fans his indictment and potential conviction is "fake news," Mediaite reports. *** Haberman emphasized, "A camera would be pretty vital, in terms of people understanding what happened, and not being told that something, it's fake news. And in an era, where Trump is saying that all of these reports are not true? I think there is a compelling argument for it. I am skeptical that it will happen." The analyst adds although judges tend to be against cameras in the courtroom, she believes "there is going to be a compelling argument made." www.rawstory.com/trump-indictment-2659714024/
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Apr 2, 2023 14:21:35 GMT
And those white evangelicals continue to support TFG.. Evangelical Christians whose support was vital to Donald Trump’s 2016 election victory are expected to continue standing by their “imperfect vessel" despite him becoming the first U.S. president indicted on criminal charges, experts said. The Guardianreported Saturday that the hugely influential voting bloc stuck by Trump in the past because it compared him to King Cyrus, an '"imperfect vessel" who "in the biblical telling liberated the Jews from Babylonian captivity, despite himself being a Persian ruler who did not believe in the god of Israel.” They believed God was using Trump for the greater good – to hand power in the U.S. back to white conservative Christians, the Guardian reported. *** They clearly see this as a witch-hunt. They see this as a politically motivated prosecution. Almost to a man and a woman that’s how they’re interpreting this.” “Make America Great Again, to white evangelicals, means: ‘Make America Christian Again,'" Fea added. www.rawstory.com/trump-evangelical-2659712992/
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Post by aj2hall on Apr 2, 2023 14:57:28 GMT
www.nytimes.com/2023/04/01/nyregion/trump-bragg-legal-defense-strategy.htmlAttack. Attack. Attack.
Delay. Delay. Delay.
Those two tactics have been at the center of Donald J. Trump’s favored strategy in court cases for much of his adult life, and will likely be the former president’s approach to fighting the criminal charges now leveled against him if he sticks to his well-worn legal playbook. In fact, his attacks against both the prosecutor and the judge in the case have already begun.
The former president, Mr. O’Brien said, relies “on everyone else to play by the rules while he bends or breaks them.”
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Apr 2, 2023 15:03:42 GMT
FOX. Maria Bartiromo is loosing her mind....
Too bad they have forgotten that AG Garland left the totally unsuccessful Barr appointed prosecutor, Durham, has nothing. Also the US Attorney appointed by Barr is still investigating Hunter.. so far nothing that we know of..
Oh and the 60 cases lost about election frau
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Post by aj2hall on Apr 2, 2023 15:11:34 GMT
Republicans could definitely take a lesson from Chris Sununu who declined to comment on the indictment until he saw the charges. Love this tweet!
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Post by aj2hall on Apr 2, 2023 15:15:29 GMT
I don't always agree with Kinzinger, but he's one of the very few Republicans that I can tolerate. And even agree with, sometimes. Sorry for all of the tweets, but I thought these were pretty good responses to the latest Republican nonsense.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Apr 2, 2023 15:16:39 GMT
TFG will make comments after his arraignment on Tuesday.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Apr 2, 2023 15:30:15 GMT
He truly does act like a toddler. He uses one of every toddlers' favorite statements as they stand there stamping their feet!! "The former president, your client, was lashing out against him," Bash said. "And the former president said that the judge hates him and was handpicked by the DA for this case for that reason. Are you going to ask for a different judge?" www.rawstory.com/donald-trump-joseph-tacopina/
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Post by aj2hall on Apr 2, 2023 15:31:17 GMT
Before the indictment, Jamie Raskin said this about Republican attempts to interfere in the investigation. Can you imagine if top Democrats tried to interfere in the investigation of Hunter Biden? Republicans would lose their ever loving minds www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2023/03/22/jim-jordan-alvin-bragg-trump-indictment-possible/“This is an extreme move to use the resources of Congress to interfere with a criminal investigation at the state and local level and block an indictment,” Rep. Jamie Raskin (Md.), the ranking Democrat on the Oversight Committee, told me. He likened the aggressive GOP enforcement of absolute “impunity” for Trump to “the kind of political culture you find in authoritarian dictatorships.”heathercoxrichardson.substack.com/p/april-1-2023Although no one has seen the charges, MAGA Republican lawmakers reacted to the decision of a grand jury of ordinary citizens to charge a former president by preemptively accusing Manhattan district attorney Alvin Bragg of abusing the power of the government against MAGA Republicans.
“[C]orrupt Socialist District Attorney Alvin Bragg [and] the radical Far Left” (New York representative Elise Stefanik) “irreparably damaged our country” (House speaker Kevin McCarthy) “for pure political gain” (Virginia governor Glenn Youngkin). It is “a direct assault on the tens of millions of Americans who support [Trump]” (Ohio senator J. D. Vance), and “[the House Republicans] will hold Alvin Bragg accountable” (Stefanik, again).
The lawmakers have reached their position after extensive coordination with Trump, with whom Stefanik, Jordan, and Representative Marjorie Taylor Greene (R-GA) speak regularly to keep him abreast of what they know about investigations and to plan policy. As Stephen Collinson pointed out on CNN, they are taking to a new level what they have been doing since Trump took office: weaponizing the government to put Trump back into power.
As the Manhattan grand jury’s investigation got close to a decision, McCarthy backed an investigation of the Manhattan district attorney’s office. Promptly, committee chairs Jim Jordan (R-OH, Judiciary), James Comer (R-KY, Oversight and Accountability), and Bryan Steil (R-WI, House Administration) demanded that Bragg turn over all documents and testimony related to the investigation and appear before them to answer questions. As the counsel for the district attorney’s office, Leslie B. Dubeck, pointed out in response, these demands are “an unprecedented and illegitimate incursion on New York’s sovereign interests” and amount to “unlawful political interference.”
Representative Jamie Raskin (D-MD), the top Democrat on the Oversight Committee, told Washington Post reporter Greg Sargent: “This is an extreme move to use the resources of Congress to interfere with a criminal investigation at the state and local level and block an indictment.” It is, he said, “the kind of political culture you find in authoritarian dictatorships.”
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Apr 2, 2023 15:41:08 GMT
Again, telling the world exactly what they are doing!!
This response is just what I said..
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Post by aj2hall on Apr 2, 2023 17:17:57 GMT
A funny, sarcastic take on the indictment www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2023/04/02/trump-indicted-president-crimes-satire/“They better not put my president in prison. He represents 74 million Americans. And if he’s the nominee, then you’re putting 74 million votes in prison. On a bookkeeping charge!” — Political commentator Jesse Watters on Fox News on March 20
Take to the streets! We must show them: This is America! Some people are above the law! If my vote does not impart the elected officials of my choosing with unprecedented, extraordinary powers — the power to do crimes, the power to stay in office even when more people vote for them not to stay in office — then what was I even voting for?
Some people are saying that if you break the law, you should have to face the music, whether you’ve been president or not. I think: No! My president should not have to face the music at any time! He is a symbolic figurehead who can face any direction he wants with respect to the music, like the tiny dancer that rotates on top of a child’s music box.
Because make no mistake: It is not Donald Trump being indicted. I know his name is on the paperwork. But that’s actually 74 million people. That’s you. That’s me. That’s a grandfather whittling away at a stick, that’s a veteran, a My Pillow commercial, an American flag, a copy of “Hillbilly Elegy” in an airport bookstore, Marjorie Taylor Greene’s best friend, the Muffin Man, a Navy SEAL, a brother, a sister, the QAnon Shaman, others. That’s who’s being indicted just because a grand jury thought there was evidence that Donald Trump the individual committed maybe 34 counts of fraud. You’re actually indicting America, and we won’t stand for it. In the United States, we believe that some people are above the law, and that Donald Trump is those some people.
Trying to impose law on My President violates the unspoken contract that I thought we were operating under, wherein fellows by the name of Brett and Don and Tripp get to experience the protection of the law but not its sting. He has no business being on the business end of the law. The law is something that when men of his stripe break, they go “whoops” and pay a fine! This allows society to keep functioning efficiently for those whose benefit it is designed.
Arrest him? But, officer, this is a promising lad who could be president again someday. Henry Olsen: It should be outrageous that Trump's indictment is not a federal case Look, I watched “House of Cards,” and I thought it was explicitly stated that the president could do murders if he wanted to badly enough, and it would propel the plot forward. Is that not true in reality? In fairness, the fact that my candidate made a speech about shooting people on Fifth Avenue did not help me become less confused.
I don’t think what I’m saying is unreasonable. You only get to be the president for four years, or eight, or possibly 12 if you do a novel interpretation of the Constitution and serve nonconsecutive terms. But afterward, you have your whole life to live! You should not have to go cold turkey from being able to do a nuclear war to having to cross the street in the crosswalk like the rest of us. Have we taken leave of our senses? Who are these people who are saying that even the president isn’t above the law? That was my understanding of the job: a person gets to be above the law for four years and then keep on being above the law the rest of his life. I bet these same people who are saying he should not have done white-collar crimes are going to say that he should not be able to do sexual assault, or treason! Plus, I don’t buy the argument that we need punishments as a deterrent, or people will do more crimes. You really think the thing that stopped Jimmy Carter from doing crimes was the threat of legal action? No. He wouldn’t even hurt a rabbit.
I am not saying that all presidents should get to do crimes. That would be irresponsible and set a bad precedent. Just the presidents I vote for. The ones I don’t vote for were not legitimately elected, and they should all be in jail.
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Post by Gem Girl on Apr 2, 2023 19:50:42 GMT
www.nytimes.com/2023/04/01/nyregion/trump-bragg-legal-defense-strategy.htmlAttack. Attack. Attack.
Delay. Delay. Delay.
Those two tactics have been at the center of Donald J. Trump’s favored strategy in court cases for much of his adult life, and will likely be the former president’s approach to fighting the criminal charges now leveled against him if he sticks to his well-worn legal playbook. In fact, his attacks against both the prosecutor and the judge in the case have already begun.
The former president, Mr. O’Brien said, relies “on everyone else to play by the rules while he bends or breaks them.”
That's the 2nd verse of that song. The first is, "Lie lie lie, Deny, deny deny." Then, needing the 2nd verse flusters him too badly to remember to rhyme. Snicker.
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Post by aj2hall on Apr 2, 2023 20:27:37 GMT
more evidence of possible obstruction in the documents investigation www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2023/04/02/trump-mar-a-lago-obstruction-classified/Justice Department and FBI investigators have amassed fresh evidence pointing to possible obstruction by former president Donald Trump in the investigation into top-secret documents found at his Mar-a-Lago home, according to people familiar with the matter.
The additional evidence comes as investigators have used emails and text messages from a former Trump aide to help understand key moments last year, said the people, who like others interviewed for this article spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss an ongoing criminal investigation.
The new details highlight the degree to which special counsel Jack Smith’s investigation into the potential mishandling of hundreds of classified national security papers at Trump’s Florida home and private club has come to focus on the obstruction elements of the case — whether the former president took or directed actions to impede government efforts to collect all the sensitive records.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Apr 3, 2023 17:02:35 GMT
SURPRISE........ TFG has hired a new lawyer for the Stormy Daniels case. Tacopina will likely take a back seat. The former president brought on former federal prosecutor Todd Blanche, who was until recently a partner at law firm Cadwalader, Wickersham & Taft, as part of his defense team against an indictment filed last week in New York, reported Politico. “I have been asked to represent Trump in the recently charged DA case, and after much thought/consideration," Blanche said in an email, "I have decided it is the best thing for me to do and an opportunity I should not pass up.” www.rawstory.com/trump-attorney-new-york/
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Post by Gem Girl on Apr 3, 2023 19:45:35 GMT
SURPRISE........ TFG has hired a new lawyer for the Stormy Daniels case. Tacopina will likely take a back seat. The former president brought on former federal prosecutor Todd Blanche, who was until recently a partner at law firm Cadwalader, Wickersham & Taft, as part of his defense team against an indictment filed last week in New York, reported Politico. “I have been asked to represent Trump in the recently charged DA case, and after much thought/consideration," Blanche said in an email, "I have decided it is the best thing for me to do and an opportunity I should not pass up.” www.rawstory.com/trump-attorney-new-york/Per the article, Blanche previously represented Trump ally Paul Manafort and onetime Rudy Giuliani associate Igor Fruman. Both were sentenced to prison. Works for me.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Apr 4, 2023 15:23:47 GMT
It starts...
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