Bridget in MD
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Post by Bridget in MD on Mar 24, 2023 0:05:00 GMT
This week, the CEO of TikTok is meeting/testifying in front of Congress that the data is not being sold to China. Supposedly this ban has bipartsian support. What's ironic is that no one seemed to care when Meta (FB/IG) sold our data - its only bc this time, those who got rich won't cash in.
I truly believe my data is safe from no-one. But if China wants all my pics of my dog and cat, have at it. LOL. Seriously, I know it's a lot more than that, but I think poltiications are more upset at people banding together on TT, and tons of people get their news and info from there. the younger gen doesn't do FB. IG is just a stem from it. While I'm not thrilled at all the creator funds and influencer trends, creators are saying they WILL NOT go to FB/IG, they will go to Clapper? or Youtube shorts.
I used to hate videoes, but over the pandemic, it really brought some joy and smiles, and I felt brought a connection. It is so easy to get sucked in, and yes, i think they really need to have more admins/guidelines, but what online site doesn't?
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Post by pantsonfire on Mar 24, 2023 0:08:19 GMT
Other - I don't care. Doesn't affect me one way or the other. Not on it. Never used it.
I do however feel bad for the disabled community because it is widely used by disabled persons and a way to connect. Guess it is easier to use than IG.
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Post by pantsonfire on Mar 24, 2023 0:09:29 GMT
This week, the CEO of TikTok is meeting/testifying in front of Congress that the data is not being sold to China. Supposedly this ban has bipartsian support. What's ironic is that no one seemed to care when Meta (FB/IG) sold our data - its only bc this time, those who got rich won't cash in. I truly believe my data is safe from no-one. But if China wants all my pics of my dog and cat, have at it. LOL. Seriously, I know it's a lot more than that, but I think poltiications are more upset at people banding together on TT, and tons of people get their news and info from there. the younger gen doesn't do FB. IG is just a stem from it. While I'm not thrilled at all the creator funds and influencer trends, creators are saying they WILL NOT go to FB/IG, they will go to Clapper? or Youtube shorts. I used to hate videoes, but over the pandemic, it really brought some joy and smiles, and I felt brought a connection. It is so easy to get sucked in, and yes, i think they really need to have more admins/guidelines, but what online site doesn't? Honestly it has one of the best around. I hear if people and kids being kicked off a lot for inappropriate videos. But they are left on FB and YT.
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Post by Bridget in MD on Mar 24, 2023 0:12:11 GMT
This week, the CEO of TikTok is meeting/testifying in front of Congress that the data is not being sold to China. Supposedly this ban has bipartsian support. What's ironic is that no one seemed to care when Meta (FB/IG) sold our data - its only bc this time, those who got rich won't cash in. I truly believe my data is safe from no-one. But if China wants all my pics of my dog and cat, have at it. LOL. Seriously, I know it's a lot more than that, but I think poltiications are more upset at people banding together on TT, and tons of people get their news and info from there. the younger gen doesn't do FB. IG is just a stem from it. While I'm not thrilled at all the creator funds and influencer trends, creators are saying they WILL NOT go to FB/IG, they will go to Clapper? or Youtube shorts. I used to hate videoes, but over the pandemic, it really brought some joy and smiles, and I felt brought a connection. It is so easy to get sucked in, and yes, i think they really need to have more admins/guidelines, but what online site doesn't? Honestly it has one of the best around. I hear if people and kids being kicked off a lot for inappropriate videos. But they are left on FB and YT.oh I realize they are "better than" others but it still could use a lot of work!
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Post by allison1954 on Mar 24, 2023 0:32:50 GMT
I read that if you are on the contact list of someone on Tiktok, your info can be acquired that way too.
So those of us not on it are also at risk?
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Post by elaine on Mar 24, 2023 0:46:05 GMT
I think that USA Tik Tok will take the financial hit of divesting of China connections/backing before they allow themselves to be totally banned and shutdown in the US. It is a game of chicken right now with TikTok seeing how far it can go without imminent shutdown before they sacrifice the $$$.
ETA: the proliferation of TikTok supports my life/family/community ads on television in the DC Metro area in the past few weeks has led me to believe it is a game of chicken.
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Post by Scrapper100 on Mar 24, 2023 1:36:45 GMT
I don’t really have an opinion. I’m not on it. I have seen a few videos but none of my friends are on it either or at least I don’t think they are.
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Post by crazy4scraps on Mar 24, 2023 1:54:52 GMT
I’m not on it so I don’t have a dog in that fight, but I think all of these social media platforms spy on everyone so much. It’s more than just monitoring what people post on their own platform though. They also spy on all the websites you visit and probably listen to us through device microphones too. I can see where that could be a problem for national security depending on who they’re following and what they’re picking up on. Or maybe my tinfoil hat is a little too tight, LOL.
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Post by rahnee on Mar 25, 2023 9:33:04 GMT
I am on Tik Tok and am Australian, so my view may be a little different than others. I've been watching videos of the concretional hearing with Tik Tok's CEO. That was horrifying. How he kept so calm and patient during that I have no idea. The questions he was asked were clearly coming from people who had absolutely no idea what they were talking about. They did not come across well. Many of the so called questions were in fact statements with no intention of giving him the opportunity to answer. He was interrupted and disrespected constantly. This wasn't a hearing to get answers. They had already made up their mind as to their view of Tik Tok.
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Mar 25, 2023 12:42:04 GMT
I am on Tik Tok and am Australian, so my view may be a little different than others. I've been watching videos of the concretional hearing with Tik Tok's CEO. That was horrifying. How he kept so calm and patient during that I have no idea. The questions he was asked were clearly coming from people who had absolutely no idea what they were talking about. They did not come across well. Many of the so called questions were in fact statements with no intention of giving him the opportunity to answer. He was interrupted and disrespected constantly. This wasn't a hearing to get answers. They had already made up their mind as to their view of Tik Tok. I agree. I have only watched little bits of the questioning but what I did see was not great. Many of the questions should be asked of an IT expert ahead of the hearing. Not asked to the ceo of a company. I can say that what I have heard from my own kids and from watching tik toks, this has really made them think poorly of politicians. I can see why governments or other agencies wouldn’t want their employees to have the app on their devices but if they are going to do an outright ban they need to have accurate information given and explanations from a neutral expert.
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Post by Bridget in MD on Mar 25, 2023 14:18:22 GMT
I am on Tik Tok and am Australian, so my view may be a little different than others. I've been watching videos of the concretional hearing with Tik Tok's CEO. That was horrifying. How he kept so calm and patient during that I have no idea. The questions he was asked were clearly coming from people who had absolutely no idea what they were talking about. They did not come across well. Many of the so called questions were in fact statements with no intention of giving him the opportunity to answer. He was interrupted and disrespected constantly. This wasn't a hearing to get answers. They had already made up their mind as to their view of Tik Tok. I agree. I have only watched little bits of the questioning but what I did see was not great. Many of the questions should be asked of an IT expert ahead of the hearing. Not asked to the ceo of a company. I can say that what I have heard from my own kids and from watching tik toks, this has really made them think poorly of politicians. I can see why governments or other agencies wouldn’t want their employees to have the app on their devices but if they are going to do an outright ban they need to have accurate information given and explanations from a neutral expert. OMG it was downright embarassing. One of them was basically asking how fucking WIFI worked. And these are the people who are going to decide if we can even have that app? People were making fun of him "do I have to have my eyes open to look at my phone" and "do I have to have the power on to use TikTok" etc. But the truth is, these dinosaurs have NO idea how the internet works, yet we voted them in to make informed decisions for us. Well the only thing they seemed to be informed on is how this would effect their bottom line. I signed a petition yesterday that supposedly went to my congress people to NOT support the ban. The truth of the matter is, this is not just about TT. They want the power to basically go after ANYTHING on the internet, they want to go after Section 230, which from what I understand is the basis of how the internet came to be. So even if you don't use TikTok, this has far more reaching implications than one app. It's basically free speech too.
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Post by mom on Mar 25, 2023 14:32:45 GMT
Do I think it will be banned? No, not from the general population.
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Post by katlady on Mar 25, 2023 15:05:55 GMT
What is it about TikTok that made it so popular? IG does video too and IG randomly puts reels on your feed based on your viewing habits. Did it become popular because it was new? I am just curious. I don’t use TT because I don’t need more social media in my life. I don’t think it will be fully banned.
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Post by iowgirl on Mar 25, 2023 15:31:06 GMT
What is it about TikTok that made it so popular? IG does video too and IG randomly puts reels on your feed based on your viewing habits. Did it become popular because it was new? I am just curious. What I see on TikTok is weeks or months ahead of IG/Reels. Someone sends me a video from Reels, and I have seen it ages ago on TT. I really think the owners of other Social Media are up in arms because they are loosing out big time on ad revenue to TT. And they FOR SURE sell our data and info. To god knows who. They also skew what we see. Some of those asking questions at the hearing revealed themselves to be very uniformed idiots. Whew. Our data for everything is being mined by powers that we have no control over. John Deere takes ALL GPS data from those who use their GPS. All cropping data, planting, harvest, acres, etc. Every damn bit of info. For free. That is some very valuable data. And the farmer gets "free maps printed"... Ah..free! JD will use this data to form their operator-free software and, IMO, that data will be available to those entities that are buying up massive amounts of farm ground. That is something that should be worried about WAY more than China and TikTok. I do not use any Deere software. They can't control any of my machinery.
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Post by mom on Mar 25, 2023 15:44:41 GMT
What is it about TikTok that made it so popular? IG does video too and IG randomly puts reels on your feed based on your viewing habits. Did it become popular because it was new? I am just curious. I don’t use TT because I don’t need more social media in my life. I don’t think it will be fully banned. For me, the algorithm of TT is better. I can go to Instagram and look at reels and never see the people I want to see, but instead, I see ads and random stuff that *might* be closely related to something I am interested in / interacted with. When I go to my TT, my 'for you' page is spot on with content I want to see. I also like that I see the new trends early on TT vs Instagram/Facebook. TT also seems to be less negative and have political whining but that could be because of the accounts I follow (I only follow one poitical creator. He's a congressman -- who's not even local to me -- and I have no clue what political party he is. I like how he explains things). I hate Facebook and what its become. If my sisters were passed away, I would most likely deleted it but I stay on it to see what they are doing. Facebook is not fun for me and in fact, can be stressful with all the bickering that goes on.
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Post by seaexplore on Mar 25, 2023 16:15:52 GMT
No, but I'd love to see it go away. It's crap.
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Post by Bridget in MD on Mar 25, 2023 16:36:05 GMT
No, but I'd love to see it go away. It's crap. Serious question - are u on other forms of social media? Why do you think it’s crap compared to other forms? I use FB, IG, Twitter, Reddit, and TT Twitter I never fully got behind. It’s too hard to follow the conversations and Elon basically took away its authentication. Reddit is better for conversations but there are SO many subreddits and they seem to be more or less strict depending on the admins who are in place. It’s also full of bots that I find frustrating. FB I use bc I’m old. 🤣 But my kids don’t use it. I use it to keep up with my friends and family bc they are on it and use it but the younger generations don’t. IG they use but I swear mine is full of ads (worse than FB) and I have a hard time finding things there. I never got on Snapchat - I don’t like the premise but I know a lot of kids do. Like I said up thread, I find TT easy to search and use. It amuses me. I follow people that for the most part bring me joy, esp during the pandemic. I don’t think TT sells my data any more than any of the others do. I KNOW FB and Alexa is listening bc I mention one thing and it shows up in ads minutes later. 🤷♀️ And honestly - it’s not just about TikTok. It’s about freedom of speech and how politicians are going after it bc 1. They dont freaking understand and 2. They aren’t making money from it. I know it bc they aren’t asking this info from FB or any other platform. And I’m really offended some of them are trying to use the “safety of our children” bullshit bc if they cared they’d pass laws for gun safety. More kids have died from guns than a TT challenge. I guess what I’m trying to say is there is no platform that 100% fits everyone’s needs but to pick on one they need to pick on them all.
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Post by StephDRebel on Mar 25, 2023 17:44:04 GMT
No, but I'd love to see it go away. It's crap. I'm so curious, what is on your tik tok feed that makes it 'crap"? Millions of users and you find no valuable content? I've never seen an algorithm that is so spot on for reflecting the user's habits an interests.
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Post by msliz on Mar 25, 2023 17:50:07 GMT
What is it about TikTok that made it so popular? IG does video too and IG randomly puts reels on your feed based on your viewing habits. Did it become popular because it was new? I am just curious. I don’t use TT because I don’t need more social media in my life. I don’t think it will be fully banned. It filled the void for the kids after Vine failed
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Post by seaexplore on Mar 25, 2023 18:38:33 GMT
Bridget in MD & StephDRebel - I am not on TikTok. I have but don't use IG, Twitter, Snap, YouTube. I use Facebook. My issue with TikTok (all forms of SM really) is that my HS students (and my own kid) are CONSTANTLY on it, they're finding stupid things to do and emulating them, they get in trouble for doing the things they see "influencers" do, and they're "creating content" when they need to be doing school work. It's a HUGE disruption (as is all forms of social media) in the classroom and dealing with cell phones that are MUCH more interesting than their classwork they're supposed to be doing. I'm constantly taking phones and the consequences according to the district handbook are not being followed because we don't want to suspend kids due to the negative impact on the all important "dashboard" that the state has. I have kids who have tad their phone taken away more than a dozen times- usually because they're on TikTok or some other SM platform- and have yet to be suspended for it. It's a constant battle that it just such a disruption to the classroom. Most recently, my students were watching "side shows" and bragging about being there. These are 16-18 year olds. There was a shooting at it and one of my students lost 2 family members in it. The content promotes things that these kids don't need to be involved in. It's just a super distraction and exposes kids to things they don't need to be exposed to. My 11 year old got the idea to do a "prison" style tattoo and was collecting the materials to do. Thankfully I found out and figured it out. She's a great kid, 4.0+ student, involved in multiple activities, well liked, etc... just found a "cool" video she wanted to try out. Um, no thank you. We've since had discussions regarding what is a good idea and what is not. But, had she not seen it on a friends TikTok, she wouldn't have even thought to do it.
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Post by katiekaty on Mar 25, 2023 18:57:57 GMT
I have FB,. I do have instagram, but only because a place I worked required us to follow them on IG for work incentive prizes. I use YouTube for instructional videos. That’s all this brain of mine wants to deal with! So my opinion is to defer to others who know about this.
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Post by Restless Spirit on Mar 25, 2023 19:20:35 GMT
Well I’m old, so I’m not in the target market.
I have FB for connecting with my cousins in other states (all of our parents are deceased) and fun project/hobby information. I occasionally use YouTube for instructional videos and webcams, but I won’t pay for access. I don’t have twitter, TT, IG, or Snapchat. I occasionally look at Reddit for news articles, but I find the comment sections full of …. Let’s just say I’m not impressed and don’t take anything posted seriously. People are nuts. Unlike most people, I don’t get any political information on FB. The only time I see anything political is in the groups I join, if it’s allowed at all. I immediately leave those groups. The thing that bothers me most is the lies and misinformation I see on every imaginable topic in social media groups. It’s rampant and goes unchecked because of group think and confirmation bias.
I think people are addicted to social media so it’s not going anywhere.
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Post by Gem Girl on Mar 25, 2023 19:29:05 GMT
Our data for everything is being mined by powers that we have no control over. John Deere takes ALL GPS data from those who use their GPS. All cropping data, planting, harvest, acres, etc. Every damn bit of info. For free. That is some very valuable data. And the farmer gets "free maps printed"... Ah..free! JD will use this data to form their operator-free software and, IMO, that data will be available to those entities that are buying up massive amounts of farm ground. That is something that should be worried about WAY more than China and TikTok. I do not use any Deere software. They can't control any of my machinery. From my marketing background I can assure you that if you're being given something for free without the expectation of follow-on sales, YOU ARE the product.
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Post by Gem Girl on Mar 25, 2023 19:31:28 GMT
I am on Tik Tok and am Australian, so my view may be a little different than others. I've been watching videos of the concretional hearing with Tik Tok's CEO. That was horrifying. How he kept so calm and patient during that I have no idea. The questions he was asked were clearly coming from people who had absolutely no idea what they were talking about. They did not come across well. Many of the so called questions were in fact statements with no intention of giving him the opportunity to answer. He was interrupted and disrespected constantly. This wasn't a hearing to get answers. They had already made up their mind as to their view of Tik Tok. Just to clarify for Australia, Congressional hearings are never about getting issues resolved. They're about members of Congress getting air time on TV so they have a clip that might get them invited onto a discussion show later that day.
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Post by scrappinmama on Mar 25, 2023 19:39:42 GMT
I voted that it wouldn't be banned.
I'm on FB, Instagram, Twitter and Tik Tok. I enjoy Instagram and Tik Tok the most. But my FYP is mostly pleasant with lots of travel, funny animal videos, etc. This week has been a bit more news heavy with the protests in France. And of course today has been the massive tornado that hit last night.
Politicians only seem to care when it hurts their bottom line. Why is it ok for FB and Instagram to steal all of our data and use it to their advantage, but not ok for Tik Tok? It wouldn't be because Mark Zuckerberg donates a crap ton of money to politicians, would it?
And the argument that Tik tok is harmful to kids? You know what is more harmful? Mass school shootings. But by all means, let the politicians go after Tik tok and ignore the obvious. Let them continue to ignore all of the other things that are killing us.
Off the top of my head I can't remember, was there a congressional hearing on the train derailment?
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Post by delila on Mar 25, 2023 22:14:59 GMT
When TikTok first came out I was in China visiting and the Chinese people there were very adamant that I stay way away from it as they were led to believe it was one more Chinese govt spying agent. If the damn Chinese won’t be a part of TikTok then I don’t want anything to do with it at all.
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Post by onelasttime on Mar 25, 2023 23:25:52 GMT
I voted that it wouldn't be banned. I'm on FB, Instagram, Twitter and Tik Tok. I enjoy Instagram and Tik Tok the most. But my FYP is mostly pleasant with lots of travel, funny animal videos, etc. This week has been a bit more news heavy with the protests in France. And of course today has been the massive tornado that hit last night. Politicians only seem to care when it hurts their bottom line. Why is it ok for FB and Instagram to steal all of our data and use it to their advantage, but not ok for Tik Tok? It wouldn't be because Mark Zuckerberg donates a crap ton of money to politicians, would it? And the argument that Tik tok is harmful to kids? You know what is more harmful? Mass school shootings. But by all means, let the politicians go after Tik tok and ignore the obvious. Let them continue to ignore all of the other things that are killing us. Off the top of my head I can't remember, was there a congressional hearing on the train derailment? China and the United States are not friends. Especially these days. Tik tok is wholly owned by a Chinese company. So IMO it is a legitimate concern that this Chinese company could be funneling information gathered on tik tok to the Chinese Government. And since the Chinese government is an authoritarian one it would not be out of the realm of possibility that the government could be demanding this information and tik tok is obliging. And if tik tok is funneling information about the users to the Chinese government what are they doing with it? Nothing good I would hazard a guess. The fact that tik tok is owned by a Chinese company is why I never signed up even though it seems that just about everyone has. If it is found that Facebook or Instagram is selling or giving user information to foreign countries like China then I will close my accounts with them.
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Post by fiddlesticks on Mar 26, 2023 1:36:06 GMT
My DH, who is in IT security and agrees with the majority other IT security folks, that Tik Tok specifically is a HUGE security risk. The company he works for uses several social media platforms to connect and engage with customers but Tik Tok is not allowed on any company owned devices. But do I think it will go...no. It should, but I don't think it will.
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Post by artbabe on Mar 26, 2023 15:07:19 GMT
What is it about TikTok that made it so popular? IG does video too and IG randomly puts reels on your feed based on your viewing habits. Did it become popular because it was new? I am just curious. I don’t use TT because I don’t need more social media in my life. I don’t think it will be fully banned. It is just a really different experience. I got it because I knew my nephews put videos on it and I wanted to watch them. I miss them now that they are teens so I enjoy their videos. My 20 year old nephew, for example, does vinyl record hauls. I love listening to him explain the different albums. There are also videos of him dancing with his friends. Fortunately he is smart enough to stick to wholesome content. I like the short video format. I get a lot from it that I don't get from other platforms. No, but I'd love to see it go away. It's crap. A lot of my feed is from Native American, trans, and disabled creators. I have learned a lot. I see people different than me in a whole new way and I have to tell you my mind has really been broadened. Is there a lot of crap on there? Sure. But there is also an opportunity to see the world through other people's eyes. I also follow a doctor who is really funny but also has educated me on how our healthcare system works. And it is horrifying. And of course I watch a lot of cooking stuff and cute animal videos. Lots of cute animal videos. I think it can be dangerous for kids (and adults) because it curates your content based on what you watched. So if you start out watching people doing stupid stuff, pretty soon your feed is going to be nothing but people doing stupid stuff.
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Post by onelasttime on Mar 26, 2023 15:34:31 GMT
From ABC News…
“Congress closer to a TikTok ban or forced sale after CEO's concerning testimony, Gallagher says”
“Last week's testimony from TikTok CEO Shou Zi Chew increased "the likelihood that Congress will take some action" on the hugely popular and controversial social media app after his remarks failed to allay bipartisan concerns over potential data privacy issues and Chinese government intrusion, Rep. Mike Gallagher said Sunday.
In an appearance on ABC's "This Week," Gallagher, who chairs the House select committee overseeing U.S. competition with China, touted recent legislation to either ban TikTok or force a sale to an American firm from Chinese parent company ByteDance.
Chinese officials have called such proposals overreach and unfair, and critics of the scrutiny say it hasn't applied to similar social media platforms.
But Gallagher, R-Wis., and Rep. Raja Krishnamoorthi, the ranking Democrat on the U.S.-China committee, told "This Week" co-anchor Martha Raddatz that the risks warranted such moves.
Gallagher also sounded skeptical of "Project Texas," an endeavor TikTok says will keep U.S. data stored in Texas and prevent access by Beijing but that lawmakers say is insufficient.
"The key part that's missing from Project Texas' mitigation strategy is control of the algorithm. That's really what we need to address. It's not just exfiltrating data from an American phone, it's what they're able to push to Americans through the algorithm -- control our sense of reality, control the news, meddle in future elections," Gallagher said.
"They've actually united Republicans and Democrats out of the concern of allowing the [Chinese Communist Party] to control the most dominant media platform in America."
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