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Post by 1lear on Dec 12, 2014 23:36:11 GMT
OP, I hope you update us on the fate of this poor chair.
I've become emotionally invested in this beauty at this point. I want it to have a happy, comfortable environment to reside in and really hope that means it stays in your house. Your evil in-laws don't deserve such a fine piece of furniture.
If you do give it to them, however, I sincerely hope you stain the fabric in some way as another Pea suggested.
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Post by SunnySmile on Dec 13, 2014 0:19:36 GMT
Beautiful chair, I love it! I wouldn't give her the chair either. It's legally yours through the purchase of the house and it's contents, not to mention the fact that she had 20 years to say she wanted it, not to mention the fact that she said SHE DIDN'T WANT IT, TO THROW IT OUT. Good luck, I hope you keep the chair.
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Post by peanuttle on Dec 13, 2014 1:12:47 GMT
1lear, I will update you all. Unfortunately I think it will probably go back. Believe me, if it were up to me, there is no way in hell I would be caving. Since it is DH family and the chair came from them, I am leaving it up to him to decide how he wants to handle it. I have said my piece, more than once and probably will a few more times before this is over. What is comes down to is DH is a great guy and other than his parents (that I don't have to deal with too often) we rarely have issues and he would do anything for me. He is slowly seeing the true colors and the less I make a stink over the situations I more he sees it is them and not me (as they would like everyone to think). I try really, really hard to be the bigger person, though it doesn't always feel like a win.
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Post by 1lear on Dec 13, 2014 1:17:07 GMT
1lear, I will update you all. Unfortunately I think it will probably go back. Believe me, if it were up to me, there is no way in hell I would be caving. Since it is DH family and the chair came from them, I am leaving it up to him to decide how he wants to handle it. I have said my piece, more than once and probably will a few more times before this is over. What is comes down to is DH is a great guy and other than his parents (that I don't have to deal with too often) we rarely have issues and he would do anything for me. He is slowly seeing the true colors and the less I make a stink over the situations I more he sees it is them and not me (as they would like everyone to think). I try really, really hard to be the bigger person, though it doesn't always feel like a win. You and your husband are good people!
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Post by Skellinton on Dec 13, 2014 3:14:29 GMT
You truly should have your husband read this thread before he makes a decision, and absolutely take up the pea's offer of researching the chair's value. I really hope he decides to keep the chair.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2014 3:36:00 GMT
Anyone have a bed bug infestation they may be willing to let a chair come over for a play date? I am mean but man they deserve it.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2014 5:06:17 GMT
Interesting. Honestly I wouldn't let MIL have/buy/rent-to-own the chair either. DH can be a sweet as he wants and can buckle to her, but I don't think you should have to give it up. The fabric is very different. In the right room I think it would look awesome. My mother wouldn't let my father give away a piece of furniture like that. I wouldn't let exDH give away any of my furniture either. (He did give her my sewing machine when I asked him what happened to it).
Keep the chair. Definitely keep the chair.
What a weird MIL.
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Post by cycworker on Dec 13, 2014 5:13:50 GMT
As much as I've tried to mellow with age, this time I have to revert to more strong-willed, Eastern European woman side. You must NOT allow your DH to give her the chair. You need to tell DH in no uncertain terms that she is NOT getting it.
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Post by Jennifer C on Dec 13, 2014 6:10:55 GMT
I couldn't give it back to her, I just couldn't.
And I would probably trip my dh as he was carrying it to the car to deliver the chair. Yep, I would trip him.
Jennifer
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Post by M in Carolina on Dec 13, 2014 6:17:48 GMT
I also agree that the chair is worth $$$. It's an amazing looking chair, and I've never seen a chair like this.
I guarantee that SIL realized the find you have and told MIL what retail on this chair would be. I'd be tempted to put a little gps tracker in the chair to see where it actually winds up.
You are married to a good man. I'm sure the chair has been poisoned for him anyway. I can understand why he's giving the chair back--nobody else will be able to fault him for not being good to his mother--despite what she deserves.
Give him a big hug. I'd also give the info to the other pea who can figure out what the chair is worth. I don't have any experience with Danish antiques.
I am an interior designer and know that $600 only pays for the chair costs. You double the cost when you sell the piece. If you were able to even find another similar chair in a good reproduction, you're looking at $1500-$2500.
I'm also in NC and have the perfect old chair to leave in her front yard. I actually have 5.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2014 11:09:14 GMT
I understand supporting your husband and his decision. And in all likelihood, this is just about the type of person that your mother-in-law is.
Given the other details about the possible value of the chair, though, I would ask my husband to stop and think how he would feel if he finds out later that she has sold the chair.
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Post by SweetiePie Pea on Dec 13, 2014 12:14:31 GMT
It was an awful olive green velvet that had rat pee on it from sitting in the attic of the garage for 20+ years. Sounds perfectly fitting to me!!
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Post by SweetiePie Pea on Dec 13, 2014 12:34:07 GMT
Funny someone mentioned the Danish Modern. I follow a guy in CA that sells it. This looks very much like his finds. Stuff is crazy expensive and people are nuts for it right now.
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Post by cade387 on Dec 13, 2014 12:43:24 GMT
Please have the value checked before you return it. I know he may not care - blame itnon having to pay insurance to ship it, whatever. But please do this.
Then if he still wants to give it back that is on you guys to decide.
In our family this would make it worse between his mom and DH because anytime anyone was over, the story of him taking the chair would come up and than all the work she did to fix it.
I've heard that every family can only function at the level of the person with the worst coping skills. This will never improve as long as everyone to make her happy. Drama ensues forever.
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Post by LauraTen on Dec 13, 2014 12:46:45 GMT
It is never just about the chair...
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Post by TankTop on Dec 13, 2014 12:58:18 GMT
Before you even put that chair on any delivery truck I need you to do something. Turn the chair upside down and see if there are any types of plaques, stamps, brands, etc. with a manufacturer name. You have a danish lounge chair on your hands, one that is in divine condition. I have a sneaky suspicion it is an antique and worth a helluva lot more than $600. Let me/us know the brand name and I can do some research with my contacts. That is exactly what I was coming to say. That particular style is very in right now. They are all over blogs and knockoffs are being sold.
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Post by TankTop on Dec 13, 2014 13:06:48 GMT
Click to enlarge. This is why she is asking for it. I guarantee it. Do you think one of the sil's wants it? I would show show dh the links and tell him you can order a similar one when it leaves. Maybe the sticker shock will make him think twice.
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Post by scrapnnana on Dec 13, 2014 13:46:28 GMT
I definitely agree that you need to look into the value of the chair first.
It sat in the garage for years and had rat pee on it. That says a lot for how she valued the chair until you had it cleaned up and reupholstered.
I am betting it is a valuable antique.
Yes, it is his family, but because you married into it, they are your family, too, not just his. I understand why you want him to make the decision, but it should be a mutually agreed upon decision, not based on the current emotions that have poisoned the chair's worth in your DH's eyes. Given time, those unhappy feelings may very well change.
I don't see why your DH is putting his mother's wishes ahead of yours, but above all, get the $600 plus the money for the shipping and insurance ahead of time from her. You should not bear that cost, especially at Christmas. And before you insure it, find out what it is worth. Unless she plans to drive home with it in the back of her car, or tied to the roof, the shipping costs will be enough that you deserve to be paid them up front.
Do I think you should give up the chair? No. I especially don't think you should turn it over to her while she is staying with your SIL. The chair may indeed end up staying with your SIL forever. At least wait till after the holidays. It is such a lovely chair. It shouldn't matter that your in-laws used to own it. It had no value to anyone until you had it reupholstered and polished. It's a piece of furniture, even if it did once have happy sentimental value that has been ruined (for the moment). I think you should give it time before you give it up and not make any decisions based on emotions stirred up by your MIL.
And definitely have it appraised before you make a decision, too.
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Post by anonrefugee on Dec 13, 2014 13:48:16 GMT
Great find TankTop ! I think you're right! I wouldn't give them the chair because: 1) it's the only reason she's called- her motive and manipulation is transparent. 2) giving it back won't be enough. Someone mentioned above, she'll complain the restoration is bad. Maybe an arm is loose or leg is uneven, something imagined won't be up to her *perfect* standards. Your poor sweet DH is setting himself up for even more grief as he tries to please her. Don't do it! If ayou must do nything Buy her a knockoff at HomeGoods or something similar at flea market and give her cash so she can have that one reupholstered. FWIW: I returned a large piece to my parents once because I loved it, knew they loved it, and knew it would look even better in their new home than mine. It had been well loved and used while it was with me- and someday I'll get it back with even more family history . But that situation's different. They didn't ask. And they like me, I like them.
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Post by anonrefugee on Dec 13, 2014 13:51:01 GMT
Definitely do not give it to her at SIL house. You know it will never leave , and they'll have a million excuses. Your DH sounds like a good guy. I'm sorry he has to deal with this.
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Post by scrappysurfer on Dec 13, 2014 14:13:06 GMT
I've been reading this thread for days and each time I've been getting angrier and angrier for you and DH, and then the fact that a situation for a couple I don't know is affecting my emotions makes me even more angry lol.
I wish your DH could see that he's been abused for long enough. Your MIL only wants the chair because the value of it has gone up, and well, she knows that she can manipulate DH into giving it to her. Like others have said, it's only minimally about the chair.
It's time your DH stops choosing his mother over your feelings. YOU are his WIFE. His mother us admittedly someone he rarely speaks to. YOU stored the chair for 20 years. You and DH repeatedly asked them if they wanted it and each time they said no. You paid for its renovation, decorated your house around it, and I'm guessing she only wants it because you want it. It's manipulative and toxic.
There is NO REASON for him to give in to her demands. Will it fix their relationship? No. Will she stop finding reasons to treat him poorly? No. Will she treat him better than SIL? No. Will she visit more often and be pleasant and loving like a mother should be? NO. No no and again, NO. So why give in?
He's been conditioned to give in to her and that's exactly what she's expecting.
The bigger problem is, he's acquiescing to her demands at the expense of your feelings. This is a bigger problem IMO. Anf it makes me so angry for YOU. YOU are his WIFE. He made a vow to YOU. He should be putting you ahead of her, and giving her the chair is just another way he is putting her above you. His claim of needing to be the "bigger person" in this situation is no longer valid. Admit it, you will never be happy if he decides to give them the chair, I think he knows this, and he still wants to give it back? This is just wrong, on so many levels.
And face the facts, you will never see a dime from his parents. But you will also never hear the end of the story of how you and he tried to make his parents pay for "their" chair.
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Post by scrapnnana on Dec 13, 2014 16:12:50 GMT
I wish your DH could see that he's been abused for long enough. Your MIL only wants the chair because the value of it has gone up, and well, she knows that she can manipulate DH into giving it to her. Like others have said, it's only minimally about the chair.It's time your DH stops choosing his mother over your feelings. YOU are his WIFE. His mother us admittedly someone he rarely speaks to. YOU stored the chair for 20 years. You and DH repeatedly asked them if they wanted it and each time they said no. You paid for its renovation, decorated your house around it, and I'm guessing she only wants it because you want it. It's manipulative and toxic. There is NO REASON for him to give in to her demands. Will it fix their relationship? No. Will she stop finding reasons to treat him poorly? No. Will she treat him better than SIL? No. Will she visit more often and be pleasant and loving like a mother should be? NO. No no and again, NO. ...And face the facts, you will never see a dime from his parents. But you will also never hear the end of the story of how you and he tried to make his parents pay for "their" chair. At this point, you won't win any points with your MIL by handing over the chair to her, no matter what. She will probably focus solely on everything you did "wrong" in her eyes. You are out $600+ if you turn over the chair! plus you will need to replace it in some way, which will be an additional expense. If you ship it to her, you will be out of pocket that much more. I do not think she will reimburse you for any of your expenses, and if you have dared to ask or expect it, you will never, never hear the end of it. Perhaps this chair issue is a sore point with me and so many others because it hits a nerve. Relationships with in-laws can be challenging, even when you get along well. My MIL had promised DH a particular set of chairs after she died. She died of cancer when she was only 55. After the funeral, FIL gave the chairs to us, and we drove home with them. FIL later remarried a woman who is only 8 years older than DH and I. She can be very sweet, and we love her, but there are times when she says or does things that are very, very upsetting. One of those times was during a rare visit (that was only because of our DS' wedding). They lived a 12 hour drive from us. We visited them, not the reverse. While with us, they did pitch in and helped us with some things. During the process, DH's stepmom decided that we hadn't properly cared for the chairs he had gotten from his parents. She tried to persuade us to give them to her. I knew that if we did, we would never get them back. She had gotten everything else of MIL's, including her jewelry. One of the pieces of jewelry was an amethyst necklace given to MIL by DH. We were not happy about that, but we have not asked for it back. I am thinking that perhaps we should. I don't think she ever wears it, and our DD wants it. Relationships with in-laws are not always easy to navigate, but it seems as if it has been very one-sided on your DH's part. The chair is simply a symbol of what is wrong with the relationship. Giving back the chair won't fix the relationship. Perhaps if your DH give it back to "be the better person" will at least it will lessen the pain for awhile, but will it? The empty place where it had occupied will also be a painful reminder, as well as any chair you get to replace it. You will resent the loss of the chair, the loss of the money you invested in renovating it, the need for making changes to your decor/home as a result of the loss, and most of all, your MIL's demands and attitude about this situation. She won't appreciate your DH giving it back. She will resent the fact that you expect to be reimbursed for your expenses, especially since she claims you had no right to use it or do anything to it without her permission. However, she gave her permission when she declined to take it when she moved out of the house your DH bought, neglected to retrieve it for 20 years, and finally told your DH to keep it or toss it when you moved to your current home. Three strikes, she's out. She made her choice. She only backtracked after you made the chair valuable. It had RAT PEE on it before you renovated it! You are in a no-win situation whether you keep the chair or give it to your MIL.
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Post by freecharlie on Dec 13, 2014 16:37:26 GMT
I understand supporting your husband and his decision. And in all likelihood, this is just about the type of person that your mother-in-law is. Given the other details about the possible value of the chair, though, I would ask my husband to stop and think how he would feel if he finds out later that she has sold the chair. or given it to the bratty sister
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Post by gsquaredmom on Dec 13, 2014 17:13:17 GMT
It seems to me that you own it many times over. The house purchase, rescuing it from the trash, etc
The chair is also yours as community property. It does not belong only to your husband. You do get a say as co-owner. Tell him he would have to buy out your portion at fair market value if you want that.
Why would your husband put his mother over his wife? There is much more going on than this chair. He needs to cut the apron strings with his mother.
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Post by Lexica on Dec 13, 2014 19:02:03 GMT
I keep returning to this thread in the hopes that your husband has decided to stand up for himself and tell his mother the chair is not going anywhere. I wish he could say that he had given her more than enough chances to take it, but now that his wife has put so much energy into fixing up the chair, and the entire room to complement the chair, he refused to do that to you. Sure, the chair is very nice now, and it appears to be a valuable antique one at that, but as others have pointed out, this is so much more than a chair going on here. I personally would be supportive of my husband if he truly felt the chair was tainted now and he didn't want it in our home. But I would have to ask him to put a stop to this kind of thing ever happening again. It isn't fair to you or your marriage to have this push/pull going on from his mom. I would ask him to never ever accept anything his mother gave him or enter into any business deal with her because whatever kind of exchange goes on, there are strings attached forever. It isn't fair to you to allow you to invest time and money into fixing up something for your home only to have her jerk it away from you if she pleases. I would even consider going through your home to find any other things of hers that are still with you and giving those back, just in case. I'd want every stick out of my home. And he is choosing his mom over you in this. Not because he doesn't love or respect you, but because he does. He trusts that you will not hold it against him for years like his mother would. I'm not one to follow through with any of the passive-aggressive suggestions being said here. I'd enjoy thinking of them and laughing about them, but I couldn't be the person to actually do it. I care more about my opinion of myself than that. I don't know if that fabric is still available to recover another chair, but if it isn't, I would have no problem with you having the fabric removed from the current chair to be used on a replacement chair, then go ahead and let her pay to ship it out. Why should you have to forfeit the fabric on it? Find a smaller chair that can be recovered with what you remove so your room remains as cohesive as it is now. Then you wouldn't have to charge her the $600 for the work done. Yes, you will be out money, but if it means that much to your husband, I would think it would be a fair compromise. Mom gets her chair, you get a replacement chair with the same fabric that you have built the room around. I am sure Mom would bitch about that too, but it doesn't match her house, does it? She'd have to have it recovered anyway, wouldn't she?
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Post by TheOtherMeg on Dec 13, 2014 19:56:25 GMT
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Post by moodyblue on Dec 13, 2014 19:59:22 GMT
You might want to ask your husband what he hopes to accomplish IF he gives her the chair and then remind him of all the things that will NOT change. If he truly understands that he isn't going to get any improvement in his family relationships by giving in to her again, maybe he'll see that your immediate family will be sacrificing for no gain.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2014 20:01:29 GMT
OP, I am so sorry you are having to go through this over a chair. I really am.
Maybe what should be done is the chair should be sold to a third party. Remove it from your home and remove the potential of MIL even owning the chair. If she is going to hurt your DH over a piece of furniture after y'all have shown nothing but goodwill toward trying to give the darn thing back, I would just get rid of it completely. Drastic? Yes. But that's how I roll.
Please make sure whatever action you take that YOU have peace of mind with the decision; that you can look yourself in the mirror every single morning and say "Yes, I did what I thought was best and right for DH and I." No regrets.
My heart really goes out to you.
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Post by momof3pits on Dec 13, 2014 20:31:59 GMT
I totally get where you're coming from regarding your husband's feelings, it's easy to go all mama bear over that stuff. when MIL was late to our wedding, requiring us to hold the ceremony to wait for her, i could've happily murdered her. not because she was messing up "my day", but because i knew how it was making DH feel, and i was so angry that she would be so careless and hurt him that way. can i place a bet on what is going to happen from here? MIL will request that the chair be brought to SIl's house where she currently is, and they will handle getting it home to their house. which will turn into the chair sitting at SILs indefinitely and becoming hers. truly i hope that she never follows thru on any of this and it remains with you tho. good luck! (passes OP a virtual bottle of wine) Sounds like my ILs, but it was SIL who was late and MIL was trying to make us wait. Ultimately we were running behind and she got there, but after finally cutting her out of our lives 2 years ago, the bitch in me wishes we would have rushed and started without her. Sounds horrible I know! But now I'm pregnant and certain people are trying to make it all about SIL so I'm bitter right now!! ETA- I got off topic. I love that chair and your plantation shutters. I think you need to have a calm heart to heart with DH about the underlying issues surrounding this chair. Then call his mother yourself and deal with the issue!! After 19 years, I think your fully entrenched in the family.
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Post by cycworker on Dec 14, 2014 2:29:03 GMT
I don't mind the idea of selling the chair, in theory. The problem is I'd lay odds she'd then bug you to give her the money, because you sold 'her' chair.
Yeah, I have to be a real hard ass on this one. It's a hill worth dying on. I was going to use the "F" word (as in forbid) but I think a straight ahead ultimatum to DH is in order - were I in your shoes, I'd seriously be angry enough to divorce DH if he gave back the chair, and I'd tell him so. He wants to remove the chair from the house, he can pack his stuff and remove himself with it. I'd be done.
Your DH needs a wake up call.
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