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Post by katlady on Apr 18, 2023 17:50:08 GMT
I have a friend who says "kinnygarden" for kindergarten. Used to drive my batty.
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Post by huskergal on Apr 18, 2023 17:53:30 GMT
Libury
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Post by Gem Girl on Apr 18, 2023 17:57:11 GMT
It’s a regional thing. I’m midwestern, so I pronounce caramel as car-mul. Care-a-mel sounds pretentious and wrong to me. Since we’re on the subject, insurance is not INsurance. No emphasis on the in. Also, preventive. PREVENT-IVE. Not prevent-TA-tive. One of the Alfred Hitchock movies referenced that; the fellow said he could tell the woman was southern because she called it INsurance. I have no idea if that's correct, but it interested me that somebody picked up on that.
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Post by Gem Girl on Apr 18, 2023 18:00:02 GMT
There is no “r” in Washington. I know somebody who does that. She also says, "Sather-day," where it rhymes with lather. She clearly doesn't realize it, as she denied it when it was pointed out.
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Post by Linda on Apr 18, 2023 18:26:28 GMT
And, what's with Anderson Cooper's relatively recent affectation of pronouncing "Man-had-den" instead of Manhattan? oh, pick me! I know this one! Back in 1980 I took a class on the history of the English language. I freakin’ loved that class and the professor (grandson of Pierre-Auguste Renoir and son of Jean Renoir). During the last class of the semester, he expressed his opinion that within the next generation, people were going to start pronouncing that tt sound in the middle of words as dd instead. The example he gave was budder instead of butter. I thought it sounded … unlikely. But he was on the money. When CNN hired Anderson Cooper (around 2001?), I heard him using that pronunciation right from the start, and I thought, damn, Professor Renoir was right! And since then, I’ve heard more and more people using it. All younger than me, of course. So it’s a thing. You might be just starting to notice it. One of my kids was in speech - for quite a few years. And I remember meeting with the SLP about the sounds they were struggling with and I brought up that she was subbing dd for tt in words. And it was explained to me that like the sub of d for th at the beginning of words, it was also a dialect variation. And I explained that just as we wished her to say THey and THose we would also like her to say buTTer - and to their credit - they did work with her on that. (it's probably relevent that neither DH nor I gew up where we currently live)
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Post by RedSquirrelUK on Apr 18, 2023 19:56:39 GMT
It’s a regional thing. I’m midwestern, so I pronounce caramel as car-mul. Care-a-mel sounds pretentious and wrong to me. Since we’re on the subject, insurance is not INsurance. No emphasis on the in. Also, preventive. PREVENT-IVE. Not prevent-TA-tive. In the UK we say preventative. Preventive sounds so wrong to me, but I'm sure that is another regional difference, like orientated (UK) vs oriented. How about the difference between administrated and administered? In my world those two words have different meanings.
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Post by femalebusiness on Apr 18, 2023 23:06:48 GMT
The all time worst pronunciation to me is supos-a-blee. It makes the person sound like a toddler who can't pronounce hard D sounds. It's suposeDly. I almost screamed when I heard Rachel Maddow say suposablee on air. Like nails on a chalkboard, right? Do they also say, "Lie-berry" instead of library? I'll bet they do. Topped by the worst of them, "Buh-skeddy" for spaghetti. Mercy. Please tell me you're kidding about Rachel. She has a Ph.D., for the love of Pete. I know. She is soooo smart and I was shocked. She said it several times in one show. Then a week or so later she pronounced it correctly. Some one must have told her. However, she did it again but just once during a later show but the next time she said it during that same show she said it correctly. She must have been saying suposablee for a long time but she has now corrected it and I haven't heard it again. That is a word that just screams to me when it is said improperly, so I always notice.
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Post by AussieMeg on Apr 18, 2023 23:16:34 GMT
Thank you thank you thank you! I was watching a Facebook reel the other day, and the woman was making a delicious looking caramel dish. I had to turn it off because I couldn't bear listening to her saying car-mel. (I think I must have been in a bad mood that day!) It's definitely an American thing, I've never heard anyone from another country say car-mel. However...... I am guilty of saying vet-ran instead of vet-er-an. And batt-ry instead of batt-er-ey (unless it's 'assault and battery').
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Post by Gem Girl on Apr 18, 2023 23:20:42 GMT
Like nails on a chalkboard, right? Do they also say, "Lie-berry" instead of library? I'll bet they do. Topped by the worst of them, "Buh-skeddy" for spaghetti. Mercy. Please tell me you're kidding about Rachel. She has a Ph.D., for the love of Pete. I know. She is soooo smart and I was shocked. She said it several times in one show. Then a week or so later she pronounced it correctly. Some one must have told her. However, she did it again but just once during a later show but the next time she said it during that same show she said it correctly. She must have been saying suposablee for a long time but she has now corrected it and I haven't heard it again. That is a word that just screams to me when it is said improperly, so I always notice. Nooooooooooo! LOL Can nobody earn my unerring respect besides our own Library Lady?!?!
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Post by Gem Girl on Apr 18, 2023 23:22:33 GMT
Thank you thank you thank you! I was watching a Facebook reel the other day, and the woman was making a delicious looking caramel dish. I had to turn it off because I couldn't bear listening to her saying car-mel. (I think I must have been in a bad mood that day!) It's definitely an American thing, I've never heard anyone from another country say car-mel. However...... I am guilty of saying vet-ran instead of vet-er-an. And batt-ry instead of batt-er-ey (unless it's 'assault and battery'). Okay, that's interesting. Do you have to be careful, then, if you ask somebody to hand you one? (Grin)
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Post by librarylady on Apr 18, 2023 23:23:02 GMT
Moscow is pronounced Mos-co Long o
There is no cow in Moscow.
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Post by Gem Girl on Apr 18, 2023 23:29:05 GMT
Moscow is pronounced Mos-co Long o There is no cow in Moscow. If you're Russian, it's Muhs-kuh-vah.
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Post by Gem Girl on Apr 19, 2023 0:42:48 GMT
Just recalled another Malapropism. For all "intensive" purposes (for all intents and purposes). I think some of these may come from people who hear phrases but who haven't read very much.
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Post by paulao on Apr 19, 2023 13:18:24 GMT
agreed, its definitely Care - a - Mel and there is no X in especially Or in ask.
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Post by lbp on Apr 19, 2023 14:16:53 GMT
I live in Virginia and I say car-a-mel.
When I was in 3rd grade and we were learning about syllables, I got into an argument with my teacher over the word "celery"
In my southern , country family it was 2 syllable "cel-rey. She said no it is "cel e rey" I thought she was a nut and my mom thought the teacher was wrong too.
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Post by melanell on Apr 19, 2023 15:20:08 GMT
I find regional pronunciations fascinating, so they don't bother me at all---whether the different is just down to an accent or if it's a completely different acceptable way of saying a word. Now, myself, I tend to lump caramel in with pecan in that I consistently use 2 different pronunciations for each. I tend to say the word "pecan" differently if I'm just asking if we need to buy any puh-kahns or if we want to try a piece of pee-can pie. And same with "caramel". Would you like some care-uh-mel sauce on your pie? Would you like some carmel corn instead? This is obviously how people around me must say these things, so apparently we have a bit of caramel pecan confusion here in my neck of the woods.
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Post by Darcy Collins on Apr 19, 2023 16:27:38 GMT
Moscow is pronounced Mos-co Long o There is no cow in Moscow. Really? all the mules I'm ordering say differently.
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Post by scrappintoee on Apr 19, 2023 23:26:10 GMT
I LOVE these threads! I have a lonnng list, but most of them have already been mentioned. I HATE it when Anderson Cooper says "Man-had-den" or when any of those words are said that way--especially button "bud-den" lucyg ---Your story was so interesting! I would have LOVED that class, too! I am SHOCKED that Rachel Maddow says "sup-pos-aBly" LOL. How do you feel about eXpresso? How about eKcetera? Noooo!!! lizacreates ... it's so good to see you again ! I've missed yours and AmeliaBloomer 's posts!
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Post by crazy4scraps on Apr 20, 2023 13:43:13 GMT
I find regional pronunciations fascinating, so they don't bother me at all---whether the different is just down to an accent or if it's a completely different acceptable way of saying a word. Now, myself, I tend to lump caramel in with pecan in that I consistently use 2 different pronunciations for each. I tend to say the word "pecan" differently if I'm just asking if we need to buy any puh-kahns or if we want to try a piece of pee-can pie. And same with "caramel". Would you like some care-uh-mel sauce on your pie? Would you like some carmel corn instead? This is obviously how people around me must say these things, so apparently we have a bit of caramel pecan confusion here in my neck of the woods. If you’re lumping caramel with pecans, dump some chocolate on that bad boy and just call it a turtle! And then call me and I’ll be right over! 😋 😄
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Post by redshoes on Apr 20, 2023 14:12:32 GMT
It is a “moot” point, not mute point
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Post by oh yvonne on Apr 20, 2023 14:24:46 GMT
can we discuss "espresso"?
I have always known it's correctly pronounced 'es" and not "expresso", and I cringed when Boyz in the Hood there is a scene with Angela Basset and her ex are having lunch in a very nice restaurant and she orders an 'expresso'.
and then recently I was watching Martin Scorsese being interviewed and HE said "expresso" several times in that one interview! I mean, he's Italian American from NY, isn't he?
So now I'm not so sure anymore. What the heck?
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Post by oh yvonne on Apr 20, 2023 14:37:39 GMT
Let's not forget all the people who say, "I could care less," when it's the exact opposite of what they mean. It doesn't even make sense! I've gotten into disagreements before about this one! It's to the point that now I say "I could NOT possibly care any less!" and that may be grammatically incorrect but it gets my point across lol
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Post by RedSquirrelUK on Apr 20, 2023 14:52:27 GMT
I live in Virginia and I say car-a-mel. When I was in 3rd grade and we were learning about syllables, I got into an argument with my teacher over the word "celery" In my southern , country family it was 2 syllable "cel-rey. She said no it is "cel e rey" I thought she was a nut and my mom thought the teacher was wrong too. In the UK we pronounce all 3 syllables - SELL-uh-ree. Darcy Collins, in the UK we also agree with librarylady about the pronunciation of Moscow to rhyme with Roscoe. I have no idea why. English is weird. oh yvonne - you're right, it's definitely eSpresso. There is no X in espresso.
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Post by Darcy Collins on Apr 20, 2023 15:20:14 GMT
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Post by Darcy Collins on Apr 20, 2023 15:23:41 GMT
I live in Virginia and I say car-a-mel. When I was in 3rd grade and we were learning about syllables, I got into an argument with my teacher over the word "celery" In my southern , country family it was 2 syllable "cel-rey. She said no it is "cel e rey" I thought she was a nut and my mom thought the teacher was wrong too. In the UK we pronounce all 3 syllables - SELL-uh-ree. Darcy Collins , in the UK we also agree with librarylady about the pronunciation of Moscow to rhyme with Roscoe. I have no idea why. English is weird. oh yvonne - you're right, it's definitely eSpresso. There is no X in espresso. Ummmm - Roscoe? Sorry it's just not common enough for me to rhyme with so I'm giggling a bit. I never had any doubt librarylady was right in how Russians pronounce Moscow - I'll just say when you want a Moscow mule in America - throw that cow in as the server will have no clue what you're saying!
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Post by RedSquirrelUK on Apr 20, 2023 20:01:20 GMT
In the UK we pronounce all 3 syllables - SELL-uh-ree. Darcy Collins , in the UK we also agree with librarylady about the pronunciation of Moscow to rhyme with Roscoe. I have no idea why. English is weird. oh yvonne - you're right, it's definitely eSpresso. There is no X in espresso. Ummmm - Roscoe? Sorry it's just not common enough for me to rhyme with so I'm giggling a bit. I never had any doubt librarylady was right in how Russians pronounce Moscow - I'll just say when you want a Moscow mule in America - throw that cow in as the server will have no clue what you're saying! I couldn't think of anything else to rhyme with it! ETA I've been singing the theme tune from the Dukes of Hazzard ever since I posted that. "Roscoe Peeeeee Coltrane" {adjusting collar} Haha!
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