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Post by librarylady on May 20, 2023 15:52:00 GMT
I think the bottom line is Meghan needs to be the center of attention. Creating drama seems to be her typical behavior whether it’s her family or the royals. Once she realized as the Duchess she was a bit low on the royal totem pole playing second fiddle to Kate she has continually exaggerated circumstances to draw attention to herself. I find her to be a rather pathetic wannabe taking Harry along for a ride.  |
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Post by birukitty on May 20, 2023 19:12:26 GMT
Actually I was feeling fantastic. I use medical marijuana every day to prevent migraines and since I've been using it for the past 4 years (on the advice of my neurologist) my migraines have decreased from occurring 25 days a month to 4 days a month. I've had migraines for 43 years. I've tried every pharmaceutical drug ever invented to treat them (practically) but MM works the best I've ever tried and it's fun for me too. I also use it to treat my migraines when I get one and it works extremely well to abort (stop) migraines too. I'm grateful my doctor suggested I try MM as a treatment. The fun part for me is mother nature's way of a reward for dealing with the pain of migraines for so many years. Anyway, I told you I'd come back to this thread with an answer and here I am. Lots of the Peas have given terrific, thought provoking answers to your questions and comments. Here's mine: The paparazzi exist. It's a fact. In one way some celebrities owe part of their success to paparazzi-if it wasn't for those photos being published at the beginning of their careers and the exposure they provided, who knows if those celebrities would have even made it as far as they did in their careers? Meghan was an actress before she married Harry. She has had experience with paparazzi and knows the ins and outs of dealing with them-and the good they have provided for her career in the past. She also knows the negative side and should by now know how to avoid them. It's also a fact that when you are in public if you are Joe Nobody or if you are a celebrity it is legal for anyone to take your photo. That's the law. It's also a law that whoever takes the photo (clicks the shutter) owns the copyright to that that photo and gets to decide who to sell the rights to reproduce it to or not sell it at all. In fact, that copyright stays with the photographer even after death for a certain number of years. I think Meghan's problem is that she likes to be in control. Of everything. She wants her cake and she wants to eat it too. That letter demanding all copies of all photos, videos and/or films taken by the freelance photographers was in one way insulting to the photographers and in another typical Meghan wanting to be in control of everything. In my humble opinion. As another Pea pointed out there were numerous ways H and M could have tried to avoid the paparazzi that night from slipping out a back door, to breaking up their 4 van entourage, to never leaving the vans with their tinted windows. Personally I think the entire thing was a farce to play up the "poor me, I'm a victim" scheme complete with Princess Diana overtures. I think they bring all of this on themselves. I've always believed you can tell more about someone from their actions than from their words. Harry and Meghan had a very good chance to live a private, quiet life away from the Royals, the press and all of it when they made the decision to leave the Royal family. They could have settled somewhere privately in Canada or America, gone forward, doing their charity work quietly and living a peaceful, quiet family life. But is that what they did? No! From the Oprah interview, to the Spare book, to the Netflix series, to Harry's numerous TV interviews-they constantly bring attention to themselves. Not to mention how they air dirty laundry and lie again and again. I don't respect them anymore. I can't. I’m glad the pot works. The entire time I was on this thread last night and while reading your post a picture of Diana walking to the car the night she died keeps flashing in my mind. She did not sign up that her every move be hounded by the photographers. None of those seen as celebrities do. Celebrities do know the importance of having their pictures taken that is why they spend all that time posing for pictures at the various events they attend. But IMO there needs to be boundaries. When Diana got in that car that night that should have singled the end of picture taking for that night. No following in car. Because, as we now know, it ended up being deadly. The same should apply for the night in question for Harry & Meghan. There were all kind of pictures taken. But once that event was over and they got in the car that should have ended the picture taking for the night. I read the only reason that cars or cars followed them was because they wanted to know where the couple was staying. Why is that any of their business? Seriously would you be ok if someone followed you home? I would not like it one bit. . And just because Harry & Meghan are “celebrities “ why would it be ok to have photographers or anyone for that matter follow them to where they are staying when they aren’t home? Meghan and Harry bring it on themselves because they chose to go out and do stuff? Why can’t they go out without being hounded by photographers. When they go to events they pose for pictures. Why isn’t that enough? Why should they have to sneak out the back way to avoid the photographers following them? Its one thing when one is out and about and snap a picture of someone. But it’s a whole different ballgame when any person seen as a “celebrity” is hounded by photographers when they step out their door. The goal of many of these photographers is to get compromising pictures of their prey so they can make more money from the picture. And if they think they can get the pictures they don’t care how as long as they do. And IMO that is one of the reasons there should be boundaries. Freedom of Speech and Freedom of the Press are great but limitations currently exist for both and some sort of boundaries for photographers who hound their prey should be considered and put into place. IMO. So on this we are going to agree to disagree. I was (am) a huge fan of Princess Diana's from the very first time we heard about her here in the USA. Her death devastated me, as it did millions of other people around the globe. The paparazzi played a part in it but it wasn't their fault 100%. It was also the fault of the driver of the car-in fact a French investigation found in 1999 that Henri Paul the driver lost control of the car at high speed while intoxicated by alcohol and under the effect of prescription drugs, and concluded that he was solely responsible for the crash. It didn't help that Princess Diana and Dodi Fayed weren't wearing their seatbelts. Everyone has a right to their own opinion and I respect your right to yours. In the case of paparazzi I don't condone when they cross boundaries such as endangering others to get their shots. The laws as they are written right now are fundamental to a free press. I don't think any further restrictions or boundaries should be placed upon photographers, unless they endanger others. |
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Post by penny8909 on May 23, 2023 9:27:25 GMT
I think it's likely that all is true.
they were followed
they were scared
they overreacted due to harry's PTSD
they could handle the paparazzi better
they are being harassed by the press
their statement was over the top given what seems to have happened
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Post by mamapeaah on May 23, 2023 14:13:51 GMT
Saint Meghan Markle and the Car Chase that Wasn't, the perfect name for a children's book.
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Post by finsup on May 23, 2023 14:34:35 GMT
I'd really like to answer you, but I just got done medicating myself for prevention of my migraines and I'm extremely high. I'll be back with a coherent answer tomorrow. Can I steal this for all future interactions I don’t want to engage in? But unlike you I *won’t* come back and be coherent; I’ll just repeat this. Because it’s fabulous. 😄😄 |
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Post by Scrapper100 on May 23, 2023 17:58:06 GMT
I think it's likely that all is true. they were followed they were scared they overreacted due to harry's PTSD they could handle the paparazzi better they are being harassed by the press their statement was over the top given what seems to have happened I think this is a good description but their press agent should have tried to calm the situation instead of making them look foolish. |
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Post by roundtwo on May 23, 2023 18:01:27 GMT
The cynic in me still thinks they built this up because of the court case in the UK but it didn't work. Harry cannot buy police protection when visiting, which is just logical to me. From the ruling: "A lawyer for the government argued in court that it was not appropriate to allow hiring “police officers as private bodyguards for the wealthy.” I have no problem with them hiring private body guards of course. |
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Post by birukitty on May 23, 2023 19:48:32 GMT
I'd really like to answer you, but I just got done medicating myself for prevention of my migraines and I'm extremely high. I'll be back with a coherent answer tomorrow. Can I steal this for all future interactions I don’t want to engage in? But unlike you I *won’t* come back and be coherent; I’ll just repeat this. Because it’s fabulous. 😄😄 Absolutely you can with all of my blessings!  |
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Post by craftymom101 on May 23, 2023 20:14:18 GMT
There are limitations when it comes to freedom of speech. One of them I just read is the right to privacy. I believe a strong argument could be made that when a person is out in PUBLIC they should not lose their right to privacy. When I go out and do whatever nobody bothers me. Certainly not swarms of photographers. I hazard a guess that majority of the people on this board don’t have to worry about being swarmed by photographers either. But when the celebrity of the months goes out say to go to the grocery store, they could be and in many cases they are surrounded by photographers snapping pictures to make money with. At that point the celebrity loses their right to privacy by not being able to run a simple errand without dodging photographers taking their picture. Something the vast majority of Americans never experience. The idea that when one is seen as a celebrity they should lose that right to privacy that the majority of us enjoy when we step out the door is not right. So in my opinion the right to privacy should be extended to include one being free from being accosted on the street by those who are trying to make a buck off their likeness and without their permission because they are seen as a “celebrity “. It’s the right thing to do. There are limitations on just about everything and this should be one of them. If only it worked that way. But it doesn't. When you go outside -- into a public place -- you lose any control over who films and photographs you. Heck, we see it everyday when someone videotapes a stranger doing something they deem wrong and then blasts them on the internet for it. If you are in public, you have no expectation to privacy. It has long been suspected (and probably confirmed, but I am too tired to look it up) that Meghan has Backgrid on speed dial. You can't have them in your back pocket for dinner dates and hikes and then get mad when they try and get other photos of you leaving an event that you publicized. Twice in the last year I have been photographed without my consent in public, both times by men while I was wearing a lowcut blouse. Both times I was with my SO. I was annoyed (and so was my SO), but I was in public, and I was wearing a revealing shirt. I don't expect privacy when I am in a public place. We didn't confront the men or ask them to delete the photo(s). I have never jumped on the anti-Meghan and Harry bandwagon but this whole situation doesn't sit right with me. I understand Harry and Meghan didn't want the paparazzi to know where they were staying, but there had to be another option other than attempting to outrun the photographers in a high speed chase for two hours. Like many people have said, immediately pulling into a police station solves the problem. They are public figures and should assume they will be photographed/followed. Precautions can be taken to ensure they are safe without causing a raucous in whatever city they are visiting. |
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Post by onelasttime on Jun 2, 2023 3:48:46 GMT
I ran across this on Instagram from Lady Gaga who says “As soon as she leaves her house she loses her freedom and belongs “to everyone else”.
It was in a post about “Celebrities who wish they weren’t famous”.
What the masses don’t grasp is the only thing these folks owe the public is a good performance of whatever they do. Like acting singing or whatever. And that is all they owe them. Nothing more.
But too many people think because these folks are famous they owe the public details of every part of their life. And because of that there is the paparazzi who aim to provide as much of these folks lives as they can possibly do by hounding them and taking pictures. That is how they make their money to satisfy this unrealistic need of the public to stick their nose in every part of the celebrity of their choice’s life.
When it comes to Diana, Harry, & Meghan because of their connection to
the Firm in the UK there are/were considered celebrities. With Meghan retired from acting, at least for now, their main public expose is/was supporting charities and causes they like/believe in by lending their name to them.
But when these folks are not doing public events supporting their charities or causes then their time should be their own and not belonging “to everyone else”.
When Diana was at that hotel there should not have been any paparazzi lurking outside waiting to get “the” shot. Or once Harry & Meghan left the event there should not have been anyone following them to take pictures.
One shouldn’t lose their freedom so another one can exercise theirs.
Nor should one have to hide in their homes to keep their freedom/privacy.
I understand fully the right the one has taking pictures in public. But, once again, there are limitations on the Freedom of Speech and Freedom of the Press and maybe there should be limitations as to where and how the paparazzi can hound celebrities when it comes to taking their pictures.
Maybe if there had been limitations on the paparazzi in Paris the night Diana died she might still be here today enjoying her grandchildren.
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Post by smasonnc on Jun 2, 2023 13:26:11 GMT
But, once again, there are limitations on the Freedom of Speech and Freedom of the Press and maybe there should be limitations as to where and how the paparazzi can hound celebrities when it comes to taking their pictures. Maybe if there had been limitations on the paparazzi in Paris the night Diana died she might still be here today enjoying her grandchildren. In the eyes of the law, there are two types of people, public figures and private figures. Private individuals have not chosen to place themselves in the public spotlight and should not be subject to the same level of scrutiny. Harry and Meghan have thrust themselves into the public spotlight time and time again. It's tragic about Diana and her death had such an adverse effect on her family. The laws of each country are different regarding the rights of the press so the US could reign in the paparazzi, while the French would still allow stalking of celebrities. Also, drunk driving is illegal in both places. |
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Post by The Great Carpezio on Jun 2, 2023 14:09:57 GMT
Just because there are public figures, I don't think that means they should lose all sense of privacy. I don't think it has to be a free-for-all. I think there is this weird vibe of like ---well, they sold their souls to the devil, so they have to suffer the consequences. I think there can be some common-sense restrictions. I do not think that the pap should be able to follow via motorized vehicles. I don't think that they should be able to set up shop outside their private homes...that kind of thing.
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Post by Zee on Jun 2, 2023 15:58:28 GMT
If only it worked that way. But it doesn't. When you go outside -- into a public place -- you lose any control over who films and photographs you. Heck, we see it everyday when someone videotapes a stranger doing something they deem wrong and then blasts them on the internet for it. If you are in public, you have no expectation to privacy. It has long been suspected (and probably confirmed, but I am too tired to look it up) that Meghan has Backgrid on speed dial. You can't have them in your back pocket for dinner dates and hikes and then get mad when they try and get other photos of you leaving an event that you publicized. Twice in the last year I have been photographed without my consent in public, both times by men while I was wearing a lowcut blouse. Both times I was with my SO. I was annoyed (and so was my SO), but I was in public, and I was wearing a revealing shirt. I don't expect privacy when I am in a public place. We didn't confront the men or ask them to delete the photo(s). I have never jumped on the anti-Meghan and Harry bandwagon but this whole situation doesn't sit right with me. I understand Harry and Meghan didn't want the paparazzi to know where they were staying, but there had to be another option other than attempting to outrun the photographers in a high speed chase for two hours. Like many people have said, immediately pulling into a police station solves the problem. They are public figures and should assume they will be photographed/followed. Precautions can be taken to ensure they are safe without causing a raucous in whatever city they are visiting. This is awesome---who are you that random men are taking photos of your low-cut blouse as though they've never seen one before, and posting them where you can see that they've taken them? I'm dying of curiosity |
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Jun 2, 2023 18:04:58 GMT
Who announced today that Harry is going to England to testify for his lawsuit against a paper, I think? Why not just go?
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Post by gar on Jun 2, 2023 19:17:52 GMT
Who announced today that Harry is going to England to testify for his lawsuit against a paper, I think? Why not just go? I've lost track of how many lawsuits he's pursuing currently - but they did announce they won't be doing any more interviews/books etc because they have nothing more to say. Hurray!!! At last! |
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Post by lindas on Jun 2, 2023 20:59:58 GMT
Who announced today that Harry is going to England to testify for his lawsuit against a paper, I think? Why not just go? I've lost track of how many lawsuits he's pursuing currently - but they did announce they won't be doing any more interviews/books etc because they have nothing more to say. Hurray!!! At last! Too busy working on their next big project. ”The Duke and Duchess of Sussex are reportedly planning to release a new feature-length film about royal life on Netflix. Meghan and Harry believed they have a "big screen story to tell about what happened in the Palace", the Mirror reports. The film would follow on from their controversial docuseries "Harry & Meghan" released on the streaming platform in December” |
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Post by gar on Jun 2, 2023 21:10:26 GMT
I've lost track of how many lawsuits he's pursuing currently - but they did announce they won't be doing any more interviews/books etc because they have nothing more to say. Hurray!!! At last! Too busy working on their next big project. ”The Duke and Duchess of Sussex are reportedly planning to release a new feature-length film about royal life on Netflix. Meghan and Harry believed they have a "big screen story to tell about what happened in the Palace", the Mirror reports. The film would follow on from their controversial docuseries "Harry & Meghan" released on the streaming platform in December” 🙄 Who knows. |
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Post by gillyp on Jun 2, 2023 21:20:50 GMT
I've lost track of how many lawsuits he's pursuing currently - but they did announce they won't be doing any more interviews/books etc because they have nothing more to say. Hurray!!! At last! Too busy working on their next big project. ”The Duke and Duchess of Sussex are reportedly planning to release a new feature-length film about royal life on Netflix. Meghan and Harry believed they have a "big screen story to tell about what happened in the Palace", the Mirror reports. The film would follow on from their controversial docuseries "Harry & Meghan" released on the streaming platform in December” Please, no. I don’t think I can take that level of excitement this century. |
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Post by mom on Jun 2, 2023 21:46:35 GMT
I've lost track of how many lawsuits he's pursuing currently - but they did announce they won't be doing any more interviews/books etc because they have nothing more to say. Hurray!!! At last! Too busy working on their next big project. ”The Duke and Duchess of Sussex are reportedly planning to release a new feature-length film about royal life on Netflix. Meghan and Harry believed they have a "big screen story to tell about what happened in the Palace", the Mirror reports. The film would follow on from their controversial docuseries "Harry & Meghan" released on the streaming platform in December” Well since they want no attention, I plan on not watching it nor turning on any show that has them promoting it. Just doin' my part to protect them. ROFL BUT because I am not a saint, I do plan on reading next week on what happens with Harry's hearing about his Visa after his bragging about using drugs. www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12142787/US-government-appear-court-Prince-Harrys-visa-application.html |
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Jun 2, 2023 21:48:49 GMT
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Post by Bridget in MD on Jun 3, 2023 0:17:11 GMT
Too busy working on their next big project. ”The Duke and Duchess of Sussex are reportedly planning to release a new feature-length film about royal life on Netflix. Meghan and Harry believed they have a "big screen story to tell about what happened in the Palace", the Mirror reports. The film would follow on from their controversial docuseries "Harry & Meghan" released on the streaming platform in December”  |
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Post by mom on Jun 3, 2023 1:21:08 GMT
Too busy working on their next big project. ”The Duke and Duchess of Sussex are reportedly planning to release a new feature-length film about royal life on Netflix. Meghan and Harry believed they have a "big screen story to tell about what happened in the Palace", the Mirror reports. The film would follow on from their controversial docuseries "Harry & Meghan" released on the streaming platform in December” Please, no. I don’t think I can take that level of excitement this century. I swear the first time I read this I thought it said 'level of excrement this century'. Oops. |
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Post by gillyp on Jun 3, 2023 7:52:10 GMT
Please, no. I don’t think I can take that level of excitement this century. I swear the first time I read this I thought it said 'level of excrement this century'. Oops. You might not be far wrong! |
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Post by smasonnc on Jun 4, 2023 3:11:11 GMT
”The Duke and Duchess of Sussex are reportedly planning to release a new feature-length film about royal life on Netflix. Meghan and Harry believed they have a "big screen story to tell about what happened in the Palace", the Mirror reports. The film would follow on from their controversial docuseries "Harry & Meghan" released on the streaming platform in December” Another tragic attempt to stay relevant. Looks like the hyperbolic car chase didn't do the trick. I thought Netflix had ditched them and signed a deal with William for his environmental work. "Please respect our privacy. We just want to be left alone," said Fredo & Yoko. |
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Post by craftymom101 on Jun 5, 2023 13:17:18 GMT
Twice in the last year I have been photographed without my consent in public, both times by men while I was wearing a lowcut blouse. Both times I was with my SO. I was annoyed (and so was my SO), but I was in public, and I was wearing a revealing shirt. I don't expect privacy when I am in a public place. We didn't confront the men or ask them to delete the photo(s). I have never jumped on the anti-Meghan and Harry bandwagon but this whole situation doesn't sit right with me. I understand Harry and Meghan didn't want the paparazzi to know where they were staying, but there had to be another option other than attempting to outrun the photographers in a high speed chase for two hours. Like many people have said, immediately pulling into a police station solves the problem. They are public figures and should assume they will be photographed/followed. Precautions can be taken to ensure they are safe without causing a raucous in whatever city they are visiting. This is awesome---who are you that random men are taking photos of your low-cut blouse as though they've never seen one before, and posting them where you can see that they've taken them? I'm dying of curiosity I'm a nobody! I just happen to have nice b@@bs!  Both times we were at a restaurant and the man was at a nearby table and held his phone over his shoulder to take the pic. We could see what he was doing and that he wasn't looking at the phone... the camera was on he was taking photos of me. I don't know if I can handle a full-length film of the same material H & M have already discussed multiple times on multiple formats (interview, docu-series, book). |
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Post by mom on Jun 5, 2023 16:19:35 GMT
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Post by gar on Jun 5, 2023 17:19:04 GMT
He was in the country though  |
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Post by gillyp on Jun 5, 2023 17:39:07 GMT
I promise to tell my truth, my whole truth and nothing but my truth.
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Post by mom on Jun 5, 2023 18:20:36 GMT
He was in the country though So why not show up? You’re in the country, your family isn’t exactly planning a family reunion with you. Why not show up to the court like you’re supposed to? I wonder if his lawyer told him to come and Harry just took it upon himself to not come? |
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Post by gillyp on Jun 5, 2023 18:46:36 GMT
There was a report somewhere, I forget where I saw it, saying the delay was caused by his transport and security arrangements.  |
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Both times we were at a restaurant and the man was at a nearby table and held his phone over his shoulder to take the pic. We could see what he was doing and that he wasn't looking at the phone... the camera was on he was taking photos of me. 
