|
Post by onelasttime on Aug 12, 2023 5:57:15 GMT
The guy is a Republican so I’m not sure what the problem is?
Let the investigation happen.
|
|
|
Post by onelasttime on Aug 12, 2023 6:04:19 GMT
Is it normal for a private citizen to be investigated in this way? If so, then I have no issue with it and welcome an investigation. However, no matter the outcome, the right will whine that it was unfair. Obviously, this is going to be this election-cycle's Benghazi and "but her emails". Or Russia, Russia, Russia trump has always had money problems. I thought he had 4 bankruptcies but it seem he had 6. Anyway Mueller was specially told not to investigate one thing. And that was not to follow the money when it came to trump & Russia. Now why would they stop Mueller from “following the money” when it came to investigating trump’s relationship with Russia? That’s pretty basic when it comes to investigations like this. Follow the money. So the American People still don’t the full story of trump’s relationships with China.
|
|
|
Post by aj2hall on Aug 12, 2023 10:15:27 GMT
Weiss was nominated by Trump on the recommendation and approval of both Delaware democratic Senators Carper and Coons. www.factcheck.org/2023/07/trump-appointed-weiss-with-democrats-blessing/It’s true that Sens. Tom Carper and Chris Coons, both Democrats, played a part in selecting Weiss, because of a longstanding Senate policy that allows home-state senators to sign off on presidential appointments of U.S. attorneys. But Weiss is a registered Republican, according to news reports, who was ultimately nominated by Trump and approved unanimously by Democrats and Republicans alike in a voice vote
|
|
|
Post by mollycoddle on Aug 12, 2023 10:21:13 GMT
I mean…
|
|
|
Post by mollycoddle on Aug 12, 2023 11:58:53 GMT
For those struggling to follow this, here is a handy flow chart. ☺️
|
|
amom23
Drama Llama
Posts: 5,350
Jun 27, 2014 12:39:18 GMT
|
Post by amom23 on Aug 12, 2023 13:30:06 GMT
Unfortunately for me (sigh) I live in a pretty red state. That being said I never hear anyone talking about Hunter nor do I see anyone posting on social media. Nationally the Republican party is having this big outrage, but across the country normal folks don't seem to care. If Hunter is guilty of something either charge him or move on. This probably isn't going to be the big election scandal the Republicans are hoping for.
|
|
|
Post by elaine on Aug 12, 2023 14:20:34 GMT
Unfortunately for me (sigh) I live in a pretty red state. That being said I never hear anyone talking about Hunter nor do I see anyone posting on social media. Nationally the Republican party is having this big outrage, but across the country normal folks don't seem to care. If Hunter is guilty of something either charge him or move on. This probably isn't going to be the big election scandal the Republicans are hoping for. Yes, I agree. And, given how the abortion issue had a HUGE (much larger than expected) impact on boosting Democratic voters in Ohio, I think that we can expect the GOP to continue to scream about this - making it a bigger issue than it is: no one I know thinks that Hunter Biden shouldn’t be prosecuted for whatever crimes he committed. The GOP politicians who pushed for criminalizing abortion, removing affirmative action, and removing and/or restricting LGBTQ+ rights will not walk back on those stances and the rest of the GOP won’t speak out too loudly against it for fear of being publicly rebuked by the ultra-right-wing loons who seem to be running the party and its platform right now. They have given the Democrats a boon, because the young independent voter block WILL turn out and vote against those issues and the politicians who support them. Because they have chosen to be on the wrong side of history, the GOP has been campaigning for democratic candidates and issues simply because their extremism has spurred more blue voters to turn out at the polls. The screaming and tantruming about Hunter Biden - a private citizen - is all an attempt to rile up their base in order to counter all that they are doing to push blue voters to show up at the polls and vote against them.
|
|
|
Post by femalebusiness on Aug 12, 2023 15:05:00 GMT
Unfortunately for me (sigh) I live in a pretty red state. That being said I never hear anyone talking about Hunter nor do I see anyone posting on social media. Nationally the Republican party is having this big outrage, but across the country normal folks don't seem to care. If Hunter is guilty of something either charge him or move on. This probably isn't going to be the big election scandal the Republicans are hoping for. Yes, I agree. And, given how the abortion issue had a HUGE (much larger than expected) impact on boosting Democratic voters in Ohio, I think that we can expect the GOP to continue to scream about this - making it a bigger issue than it is: no one I know thinks that Hunter Biden shouldn’t be prosecuted for whatever crimes he committed. The GOP politicians who pushed for criminalizing abortion, removing affirmative action, and removing and/or restricting LGBTQ+ rights will not walk back on those stances and the rest of the GOP won’t speak out too loudly against it for fear of being publicly rebuked by the ultra-right-wing loons who seem to be running the party and its platform right now. They have given the Democrats a boon, because the young independent voter block WILL turn out and vote against those issues and the politicians who support them. Because they have chosen to be on the wrong side of history, the GOP has been campaigning for democratic candidates and issues simply because their extremism has spurred more blue voters to turn out at the polls. The screaming and tantruming about Hunter Biden - a private citizen - is all an attempt to rile up their base in order to counter all that they are doing to push blue voters to show up at the polls and vote against them. Nailed it!!
|
|
lindas
Pearl Clutcher
Posts: 4,206
Jun 26, 2014 5:46:37 GMT
|
Post by lindas on Aug 12, 2023 15:07:13 GMT
The republicans don’t have a damn about Hunter Biden. What they do care about is if Joe had any connection to or benefited in any way from Hunter’s so called business deals while in office as VP and now president.
Rest assured liberal Peas if or when the Democrats are in charge again they will find their conservative bone to chew on and it probably will be a member of the Supreme Court to start with.
It’s really sad that our government has become so partisan and no longer functions as it was intended.
|
|
|
Post by elaine on Aug 12, 2023 15:08:58 GMT
It’s really sad that our government has become so partisan and no longer functions as it was intended. I can’t agree more strongly with this.
|
|
|
Post by mollycoddle on Aug 12, 2023 15:40:34 GMT
The republicans don’t have a damn about Hunter Biden. What they do care about is if Joe had any connection to or benefited in any way from Hunter’s so called business deals while in office as VP and now president. Rest assured liberal Peas if or when the Democrats are in charge again they will find their conservative bone to chew on and it probably will be a member of the Supreme Court to start with. It’s really sad that our government has become so partisan and no longer functions as it was intended. You are right that Rs desperately want to dig up dirt on Biden, but the way that they have been going about it has reminded me of a Marx Bros. Movie. Comer is a moron. They are only mad about the SC because it deprives them of a means of trying to find a scandal on Joe Biden. And they badly need a scandal so that they have a whataboutism counterpoint to all of Trump’s many trials. As far as the Supreme Court, you are correct. There is a lot of material to work with there. Don’t get me wrong, I’m happy that Clarence Thomas has such generous friends. And boy, are they generous! ☺️☺️☺️
|
|
|
Post by aj2hall on Aug 12, 2023 15:55:47 GMT
The republicans don’t have a damn about Hunter Biden. What they do care about is if Joe had any connection to or benefited in any way from Hunter’s so called business deals while in office as VP and now president. Rest assured liberal Peas if or when the Democrats are in charge again they will find their conservative bone to chew on and it probably will be a member of the Supreme Court to start with. It’s really sad that our government has become so partisan and no longer functions as it was intended. I would be more inclined to agree with you if the Republicans had not looked the other way when Jared and Ivanka were hired at the White House, when Jared received a security clearance that he should not have, when Jared was put in charge of Middle East negotiations etc. The Republicans have also been silent about the Trump hotel deal in Oman, the Saudi golf deal and the $2 billion investment in Jared’s fund. If the Republicans made noise about any of that, I might agree. But, their outrage is very one sided. And they are blind when it comes to the Trump children. I don’t mind a special counsel investigating Hunter. And the Republican House can continue to investigate. If Hunter did anything illegal, he should be charged. However, so far, the Republicans have not come up with any credible evidence that President Biden received and money from Hunter’s deals. The Republicans playing along with Trump to undermine elections, the FBI and the DOJ is all really dangerous. Don’t forget the 11 Republican investigations into Benghazi. They have a history of this, they use investigations to smear political opponents. So let’s recognize the Hunter Biden investigation for what it’s mostly about - an attempt to smear and embarrass Hunter and by extension, President Biden. And I would disagree about the government functioning. President Biden and the Democrats have accomplished a lot and are trying to govern. It’s the Republicans in the House and a few in the Senate that are obstructing and dysfunctional. They didn’t want to investigate Jan 6. It took the Republican House forever to nominate a speaker, they barely raised the debt ceiling and will most likely force a government shutdown in September. Tuberville is risking national security by blocking nominations. Cruz and now Paul also risk national security by blocking State Department nominees. Let’s put the blame where it lies on dysfunction.
|
|
lindas
Pearl Clutcher
Posts: 4,206
Jun 26, 2014 5:46:37 GMT
|
Post by lindas on Aug 12, 2023 19:34:15 GMT
The republicans don’t have a damn about Hunter Biden. What they do care about is if Joe had any connection to or benefited in any way from Hunter’s so called business deals while in office as VP and now president. Rest assured liberal Peas if or when the Democrats are in charge again they will find their conservative bone to chew on and it probably will be a member of the Supreme Court to start with. It’s really sad that our government has become so partisan and no longer functions as it was intended. I would be more inclined to agree with you if the Republicans had not looked the other way when Jared and Ivanka were hired at the White House, when Jared received a security clearance that he should not have, when Jared was put in charge of Middle East negotiations etc. The Republicans have also been silent about the Trump hotel deal in Oman, the Saudi golf deal and the $2 billion investment in Jared’s fund. If the Republicans made noise about any of that, I might agree. But, their outrage is very one sided. And they are blind when it comes to the Trump children. I don’t mind a special counsel investigating Hunter. And the Republican House can continue to investigate. If Hunter did anything illegal, he should be charged. However, so far, the Republicans have not come up with any credible evidence that President Biden received and money from Hunter’s deals. The Republicans playing along with Trump to undermine elections, the FBI and the DOJ is all really dangerous. Don’t forget the 11 Republican investigations into Benghazi. They have a history of this, they use investigations to smear political opponents. So let’s recognize the Hunter Biden investigation for what it’s mostly about - an attempt to smear and embarrass Hunter and by extension, President Biden. And I would disagree about the government functioning. President Biden and the Democrats have accomplished a lot and are trying to govern. It’s the Republicans in the House and a few in the Senate that are obstructing and dysfunctional. They didn’t want to investigate Jan 6. It took the Republican House forever to nominate a speaker, they barely raised the debt ceiling and will most likely force a government shutdown in September. Tuberville is risking national security by blocking nominations. Cruz and now Paul also risk national security by blocking State Department nominees. Let’s put the blame where it lies on dysfunction. You seem to forget that Ted Kennedy was a senator and Bobby was attorney general or the amount of influence the senior Kennedy had on Jack while he was president. There’s always going to be some form of partisanship but our government has been dysfunctional long before Trump took office. People are just more aware of it because of the internet.
|
|
|
Post by revirdsuba99 on Aug 12, 2023 20:25:02 GMT
Ok, add in George H W Bush, and a few others... Nancy covering for Reagan... Not much worse then Gingrich who has his hands in the present election denial...
|
|
|
Post by Merge on Aug 12, 2023 20:37:59 GMT
I would be more inclined to agree with you if the Republicans had not looked the other way when Jared and Ivanka were hired at the White House, when Jared received a security clearance that he should not have, when Jared was put in charge of Middle East negotiations etc. The Republicans have also been silent about the Trump hotel deal in Oman, the Saudi golf deal and the $2 billion investment in Jared’s fund. If the Republicans made noise about any of that, I might agree. But, their outrage is very one sided. And they are blind when it comes to the Trump children. I don’t mind a special counsel investigating Hunter. And the Republican House can continue to investigate. If Hunter did anything illegal, he should be charged. However, so far, the Republicans have not come up with any credible evidence that President Biden received and money from Hunter’s deals. The Republicans playing along with Trump to undermine elections, the FBI and the DOJ is all really dangerous. Don’t forget the 11 Republican investigations into Benghazi. They have a history of this, they use investigations to smear political opponents. So let’s recognize the Hunter Biden investigation for what it’s mostly about - an attempt to smear and embarrass Hunter and by extension, President Biden. And I would disagree about the government functioning. President Biden and the Democrats have accomplished a lot and are trying to govern. It’s the Republicans in the House and a few in the Senate that are obstructing and dysfunctional. They didn’t want to investigate Jan 6. It took the Republican House forever to nominate a speaker, they barely raised the debt ceiling and will most likely force a government shutdown in September. Tuberville is risking national security by blocking nominations. Cruz and now Paul also risk national security by blocking State Department nominees. Let’s put the blame where it lies on dysfunction. You seem to forget that Ted Kennedy was a senator and Bobby was attorney general or the amount of influence the senior Kennedy had on Jack while he was president. There’s always going to be some form of partisanship but our government has been dysfunctional long before Trump took office. People are just more aware of it because of the internet. Are you suggesting that the Kennedys, one of whom was elected to his seat by his constituents and the other of whom was an attorney and at least nominally qualified for the job he held, are equivalent to completely unqualified and inexperienced Jared and Ivanka serving as senior advisors and negotiating in the middle east?
|
|
|
Post by revirdsuba99 on Aug 12, 2023 22:35:10 GMT
Merge just realized two of the Kennedy's were elected..
|
|
|
Post by ntsf on Aug 12, 2023 22:39:43 GMT
and lots of commentators (former irs people) said for almost everyone who did what hunter did with taxes, it would be a civil fine.. pay back taxes (which hunter did) and move on. frankly hunter was in a bad place, messed up big time, and has straightened himself out. that's an american story that's all too common.
jared, ivanka and the trump hotel in old post office is. much more corrupt imho
|
|
|
Post by onelasttime on Aug 12, 2023 22:55:54 GMT
And it continues….
|
|
|
Post by Merge on Aug 12, 2023 23:01:36 GMT
Merge just realized two of the Kennedy's were elected.. Yes, I was referring to those outside the presidency. Ted was elected senator and Bobby was appointed but qualified, having been a DOJ attorney who practiced before the Supreme Court. Neither is remotely comparable to Jared and Ivanka sitting in sensitive meetings and acting in an official state capacity.
|
|
|
Post by revirdsuba99 on Aug 12, 2023 23:19:42 GMT
They want and when they get it it is not really what they wanted. They just want to talk about it...
|
|
|
Post by revirdsuba99 on Aug 12, 2023 23:20:39 GMT
Merge just realized two of the Kennedy's were elected.. Yes, I was referring to those outside the presidency. Ted was elected senator and Bobby was appointed but qualified, having been a DOJ attorney who practiced before the Supreme Court. Neither is remotely comparable to Jared and Ivanka sitting in sensitive meetings and acting in an official state capacity. Absolutely, totally agree!
|
|
|
Post by aj2hall on Aug 12, 2023 23:48:22 GMT
They want and when they get it it is not really what they wanted. They just want to talk about it... Just like the Jan 6 committee. McCarthy had all these demands, Nancy Pelosi called his bluff and agreed to all of them, but that wasn't good enough. McCarthy deliberately sabotaged the deal because he never wanted to be involved. Republicans just like to complain and criticize. It's a lot easier to just criticize the Democrats. You can attack your political opponents, score sound bites for Fox and get attention all without doing anything meaningful. Actually governing is hard and Republicans don't even have close to a consensus on anything.
|
|
|
Post by aj2hall on Aug 13, 2023 0:04:48 GMT
As usual, Jamie Raskin has a great perspective on the appointment of special counsel. Republicans, Fox and other conservative media have been talking about it non-stop for months, but the Hunter Biden saga has dragged on a lot longer than everyday Americans' attention span. www.nytimes.com/2023/08/12/us/politics/democrats-hunter-biden.html“I find it hard to imagine that anyone concerned about political corruption would turn to Donald Trump to address the problem of political corruption,” said Representative Jamie Raskin of Maryland, the top Democrat on the House Oversight Committee, which has been investigating Hunter Biden since Republicans took control of the chamber.
Polling, Democrats noted, has suggested that swing voters aren’t attuned to the various Hunter Biden controversies. Recent elections, including the Ohio referendum this past week, have shown that the abortion rights issue is powering Democratic victories. And Democrats believe ne’er-do-well family members do not cause transitive harm to relatives who are running for president.
In late June, a poll from Reuters/Ipsos found that 58 percent of Americans said Hunter Biden’s proposed plea agreement would have no impact on the likelihood of their voting for the elder Mr. Biden in 2024. The survey found that 51 percent of Americans believed Hunter Biden’s legal troubles were unrelated to President Biden’s job performance.
How much a trial of Hunter Biden would damage his father’s presidential campaign is unclear, given that Mr. Trump — the 2024 Republican presidential front-runner — is already facing three potential trials and the prospect of another indictment in Georgia. Court proceedings that implicated the elder Mr. Biden or required his testimony would serve as a major distraction for his campaign, but there has not been any legitimate suggestion that he engaged in wrongdoing himself.
|
|
|
Post by iamkristinl16 on Aug 13, 2023 0:24:28 GMT
You seem to forget that Ted Kennedy was a senator and Bobby was attorney general or the amount of influence the senior Kennedy had on Jack while he was president. There’s always going to be some form of partisanship but our government has been dysfunctional long before Trump took office. People are just more aware of it because of the internet. Are you suggesting that the Kennedys, one of whom was elected to his seat by his constituents and the other of whom was an attorney and at least nominally qualified for the job he held, are equivalent to completely unqualified and inexperienced Jared and Ivanka serving as senior advisors and negotiating in the middle east? And that Jared continues to make money off of his Saudi/Middle East connections.
|
|
|
Post by aj2hall on Aug 13, 2023 3:11:28 GMT
Are you suggesting that the Kennedys, one of whom was elected to his seat by his constituents and the other of whom was an attorney and at least nominally qualified for the job he held, are equivalent to completely unqualified and inexperienced Jared and Ivanka serving as senior advisors and negotiating in the middle east? And that Jared continues to make money off of his Saudi/Middle East connections. Not to mention Trump’s deal with the Saudis to host tournaments at his clubs. Or the deal in Oman for Trump hotels. Or the millions of dollars Trump raked in when he was President by charging the Secret Service as much as $1,000 a night to stay at his properties. Or the fact that Trump refused to put his businesses in a blind trust. The nepotism and corruption of the Trump administration is unparalleled, there is no comparison to the Kennedys or any other administration, Republican or Democrat.
|
|
lindas
Pearl Clutcher
Posts: 4,206
Jun 26, 2014 5:46:37 GMT
|
Post by lindas on Aug 13, 2023 6:17:20 GMT
And that Jared continues to make money off of his Saudi/Middle East connections. Not to mention Trump’s deal with the Saudis to host tournaments at his clubs. Or the deal in Oman for Trump hotels. Or the millions of dollars Trump raked in when he was President by charging the Secret Service as much as $1,000 a night to stay at his properties. Or the fact that Trump refused to put his businesses in a blind trust. The nepotism and corruption of the Trump administration is unparalleled, there is no comparison to the Kennedys or any other administration, Republican or Democrat. I didn’t hear you complaining when Biden charged the secret service $2200 a month to rent a cottage at his Wilmington home while he was VP for 8 yrs. Don’t know what the figure is now but with inflation I’m sure it’s more then $2200 a month.
|
|
|
Post by sunshine on Aug 13, 2023 9:46:17 GMT
We're getting somewhere!
ivanka-shoes
jared-real estate
trump-golf courses and hotels
All 3 provided goods or services for their payments. You don't have to like the shoes, or agree with the real estate deals, etc., but those are goods and/or services provided in return for payment.
Now...WTF did hunter DO? What goods and/or services did he provide that explains the millions and millions of dollars he received? What?
Another simple way to look at it: Hirsh Naftali paid $1.5M (?) for hunter's fine blow art. He sold blow art, she paid money, she then received the blow art. There's the "goods" that he sold. (Whether that is why she received an appointment to the Commission for the Preservation of America's Heritage Abroad is for another day.)
So, what did hunter DO to explain the huge amounts of money he was paid?
No one will or can give an answer to that.
Adding: Before anyone tries to say maybe hunter was selling his "art" back then, his blow art business didn't start until after his daddy took up residence in the White House.
|
|
|
Post by compeateropeator on Aug 13, 2023 9:47:30 GMT
Not to mention Trump’s deal with the Saudis to host tournaments at his clubs. Or the deal in Oman for Trump hotels. Or the millions of dollars Trump raked in when he was President by charging the Secret Service as much as $1,000 a night to stay at his properties. Or the fact that Trump refused to put his businesses in a blind trust. The nepotism and corruption of the Trump administration is unparalleled, there is no comparison to the Kennedys or any other administration, Republican or Democrat. I didn’t hear you complaining when Biden charged the secret service $2200 a month to rent a cottage at his Wilmington home while he was VP for 8 yrs. Don’t know what the figure is now but with inflation I’m sure it’s more then $2200 a month. I am not a lot into but what about…but this seems much different to me. I have no doubt that there must be some kind of rental or paying for rooms for the secret service so that is not an issue for me, even with Trump. Also the cost back then versus now does not really make a difference…the going rate is obviously going to be different. That said, 2200.00 A month for 8 years is less than 220,000…for eights years or about 75.00 a night - for all of his secret service detail not per room per person. This seems to be a more reasonable and cost effective way to do it than to charge 1000.00 a night, probably per person. IMO, Money would have to be spent for secret service members for both Trump and Biden…Biden’s seems much more reasonable and cost effective and not so much putting the screws to the American taxpayers than Trumps. Obviously your opinion is different… 🤷🏻♀️ And if we are going to go with the what about the other side conversation, I think the 3000.00 a month for the renting of an apartment so the the secret Service members guarding the Kushners had a bathroom to use is pretty excessive because they were not allowed to use one of the bathrooms at the Kushner residence. Again, IMO.
|
|
|
Post by Merge on Aug 13, 2023 11:48:32 GMT
We're getting somewhere!
ivanka-shoes
jared-real estate
trump-golf courses and hotels
All 3 provided goods or services for their payments. You don't have to like the shoes, or agree with the real estate deals, etc., but those are goods and/or services provided in return for payment.
Now...WTF did hunter DO? What goods and/or services did he provide that explains the millions and millions of dollars he received? What?
Another simple way to look at it: Hirsh Naftali paid $1.5M (?) for hunter's fine blow art. He sold blow art, she paid money, she then received the blow art. There's the "goods" that he sold. (Whether that is why she received an appointment to the Commission for the Preservation of America's Heritage Abroad is for another day.)
So, what did hunter DO to explain the huge amounts of money he was paid?
No one will or can give an answer to that.
Adding: Before anyone tries to say maybe hunter was selling his "art" back then, his blow art business didn't start until after his daddy took up residence in the White House.
It's cute that you think all the money the Trumps have received from the Saudis and Russians was payment for goods received.
|
|
|
Post by sunshine on Aug 13, 2023 12:09:16 GMT
We're getting somewhere!
ivanka-shoes
jared-real estate
trump-golf courses and hotels
All 3 provided goods or services for their payments. You don't have to like the shoes, or agree with the real estate deals, etc., but those are goods and/or services provided in return for payment.
Now...WTF did hunter DO? What goods and/or services did he provide that explains the millions and millions of dollars he received? What?
Another simple way to look at it: Hirsh Naftali paid $1.5M (?) for hunter's fine blow art. He sold blow art, she paid money, she then received the blow art. There's the "goods" that he sold. (Whether that is why she received an appointment to the Commission for the Preservation of America's Heritage Abroad is for another day.)
So, what did hunter DO to explain the huge amounts of money he was paid?
No one will or can give an answer to that.
Adding: Before anyone tries to say maybe hunter was selling his "art" back then, his blow art business didn't start until after his daddy took up residence in the White House.
It's cute that you think all the money the Trumps have received from the Saudis and Russians was payment for goods received. I find it equally as cute that you can't, or won't, give even a simple explanation for what the biden family did to earn this massive wealth.
The trumps have been investigated up the ass and back. The biden family is off limits. I wonder why.
|
|