breetheflea
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Post by breetheflea on Aug 15, 2023 20:51:23 GMT
Do you think the hobby encourages it?
I mean I have sticker sheets I’ve been working on for a decade… Have I ever actually finished a die cut pack? The paper pad pile that is taller than I am…
Also the buy it or miss out speed at which things “sell out.”
And as I was digging through a bin of random stuff (not all scrap related) it was really hard to throw out that ugly die cut because what if it was the “thing” that was perfect for a page? Not that I’d ever go through that container when working on a page…
My mom is an art journaler and definitely has hoarder tendencies so it’s on my mind…
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jediannie
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Post by jediannie on Aug 15, 2023 20:55:42 GMT
I only "hoard" certain things and not to a point where we can't live in our house. I'd say I'm a mild hoarder. I feel instead of hoarding, it encourages tons of impulse purchases which can lead to hoarding.
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Post by dewryce on Aug 15, 2023 21:02:23 GMT
I think the hobby encourages organizing. We don’t have too much product, we just haven’t organized it well enough It seems to me that the people with so much product are often very involved in the scrapbooking community in some way: message boards, design teams, content creators. I bet the average scrapbooker doesn’t have nearly as much product as the people who are more visible to us do. And those people are exposed to a lot more through their actions; they have friends who also partake, they watch haul videos and share photos of their rooms, etc.
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Post by scrapperal on Aug 15, 2023 21:30:55 GMT
I am not involved with the scrapbooking community other than message boards, and I admit I am quite the hoarder. That is because I suffer from deep seated FOMO, I love a sale, and am easily distracted by wow, isn't that pretty (squirrel!).
All of my friends who scrapbooked had just as much if not more than me so does that make us above average, lol?
I do think this hobby encourages it with the constant, look what's new!
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Post by waffles on Aug 15, 2023 21:36:08 GMT
I think some of it comes from the earlier days when there wasn’t much product choice and we made do with whatever we could find. Also when we do find a product we like, we are afraid it will go away so we want one of everything.
Example: planners I’ve always been a planner girl since before it was a thing. At one time, there was up to 3 aisles full of planner supplies. Now a days, we are lucky to have an end cap and even that is half empty. Fortunately (or unfortunately) my shelves are full
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Post by sarahsprettypapers on Aug 15, 2023 21:41:31 GMT
I do not hoard, I curate my collection, as one would with fine art or wine. Sometimes I use my supplies, sometimes I just like to look at them. And as things age, I will have vintage supplies to use 10 years from now.
Sounds fancier that way, haha! 😉 We don't hoard, we curate.
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Post by Citygirl on Aug 15, 2023 21:45:57 GMT
Personally I think hoarding is a by-product of any hobby.
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Post by Linda on Aug 15, 2023 21:55:44 GMT
I think the hobby encourages full-set syndrome - and having lots of options/choices. The rooms we generally see online are big and full. Influencers and design teams show us how we need ALL the things. Manufacturers encourage buying buying buying both with FOMO (buy it now or never) and with add-on options that make our full-set incomplete until we buy these new colours/shapes/designs...
I know for me...I started out with all of my scrapbook supplies fitting in a sweater box and for many years, I had a small scrapbook area. Now I have a craft room -my scrapbook area is still fairly small - the room also holds sewing and genealogy and my computer - but I have SO much stuff compared to what I used to have. I love having more options and choices but I also have too many options and choices and that sometimes overwhelms me. It's all organised but there are things I just don't use because there's just too much. I do purge a little but not as much as I should- probably because I do end up using older products and tools regularly.
I also have a husband who loves to shop especially at yard sales, flea markets, thrift stores, and clearance aisles. And he often finds scrapbook stuff for me so that adds to my stash.
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mich5481
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Post by mich5481 on Aug 15, 2023 22:08:18 GMT
Yes, it does.
I spent some time last week in my storage unit and managed to get rid of some paper (including a sheet of Basic Grey!) and extra brads of OA's pirate collection.
'Tis but a drop in the bucket.
I will say, I've slowed my buying down a ton, but I can be swayed by a few new releases. Thankfully, I prefer to do most of my shopping in person, as there were times I fell in love with a line in online, but then didn't like it in person for whatever reason.
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Post by infochick on Aug 15, 2023 22:28:47 GMT
It is definitely easy to acquire too much stuff. I find that with any hobby. I tend to use shopping as a way to connect with my hobbies when I'm too busy or occupied with other things to actually spend time on my hobby. I am less inclined to shop for more than just what I need when I am actively scrapbooking. For example, I might need a particular colour of paper to finish a layout but if I am happily creating with something in my stash I am less likely to go out and buy an entire full collection just to scratch the scrapbooking itch.
My stash is large and I do not want it to get any bigger. I am happy with what I have, and overall am glad that I have it, but I am now in a place where I need to focus on using it.
I am seriously considering taking a break from buying next year and focusing on what I have.
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Post by lg on Aug 15, 2023 22:46:36 GMT
As a non USA pea my issue is always availability and postage costs. If I like something I have to pay a lot for postage, so often I will add anything I remotely like to my order from that company to justify the costs to just get said items to my house. Thus my ever growing stash. I also have full set syndrome, still trying to find those last six or so Ali edwards story kits 😅
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Post by scrappyrabbit on Aug 15, 2023 23:49:52 GMT
There is hoarding, and there is consumerism. I think many hobbies encourage consumerism (and I fall victim to this as well). For example, camping is a hobby that can be done with minimal supplies, but there are also stores dedicated to camping supplies. Start a new sport or class at the local Y? Need to go shopping! (Bathing suits, tennis racquets, boxing gloves, etc). Even reading has a consumerist culture (buying new books, glorifying that “new book smell”).
I have noticed that a lot of crafting/artistic hobbies do tend to accumulate supplies quickly. I think the individual supplies are relatively cheap, so it makes it easier (and very dopamine-inducing) to walk into Joann and spend $35 for a whole new collection that we just have to have. If we are being honest with ourselves, we definitely don’t need it and probably have something else at home already that would meet the same need.
As for the hoarding aspect, I think that’s the flip side of the coin. Not wanting to let things go because of the fear that you may need that item one day. I’ve slowly learned that if I’m not excited by a product anymore, then I generally won’t like the layout that I used it on. Also, from a practical level, I am very limited in my space so I have to keep my stash in check. I’ve given away supplies on Facebook for free and it’s nice knowing that it’s helping build someone else’s stash 😆
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scrapnnana
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Post by scrapnnana on Aug 16, 2023 0:55:45 GMT
I do not have a hoard, I just have my own personal store in my home, where I am the only shopper.
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lindas
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Post by lindas on Aug 16, 2023 1:06:45 GMT
I don’t hoard, all my things fit in a box. It just so happens that the ‘box’ is my house.😀
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Post by joblackford on Aug 16, 2023 2:05:58 GMT
Some characteristics I have heard associated with clutter and hoarding tendencies are creativity, a deep love of Christmas/holiday decorations, and people who feel a responsibility to look out for other people/carers (many people who struggle with clutter are saving things to help out other people or feel that something is too good to waste so they save it hoping they’ll find the person who really needs it). I think people who do paper crafts and specifically memory keeping tend to score high on these characteristics.
And then there’s the factors that others have mentioned - collections getting retired, constant FOMO, full set syndrome… I think that the culture of scrapbooking and paper crafting enables and validates excessive buying. The industry relies on it. And there aren’t a lot of minimal-stash scrapbooking role models out there.
The irony of the creativity part is that the same person who can look at a tampon applicator tube and see a use for it (my miniaturist building MIL had a bag full of them) will also remember with deep regret every time they went to make something and had just used up or thrown out the perfect element, even though their creativity will allow them to find something else that will work just as well, maybe even better.
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Post by artisticscrapper on Aug 16, 2023 2:36:35 GMT
I think of hoarding as being a problem with constant buying but never using most of the purchased products. Most of us have a nice stash but it’s because we like variety.
Of course the hobby encourages hoarding though. That’s how the companies make their money.
I’m really not much of a hoarder over all. I go through all my stuff at least twice a year. I love organizing.
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Post by ScrapbookMyLife on Aug 16, 2023 4:51:40 GMT
To me......... Hoarding means keeping things and not wanting to ever get rid of them. Then getting more things, and not getting rid of them. Repeat, repeat, repeat, etc... Until there is a huge pile, an overwhelming amount of stuff, etc.... and it becomes a safety issue, hazard, and-or sanitary issue.
The word I prefer to use is >> "coveted". I have a lot of scrapbook products that I covet and haven't used yet, because I am waiting for the right photographs or idea to go with the product. Some products I've had since I began scrapbooking 25+ years ago. I also have purchased quite a bit of now discontinued products. I have a lot of scrapbook product, that was bought, because "seasonal" products come and go. Either I purchase when it comes out, otherwise I miss out (unless I can find it aftermarket >> ebay, thrift store, etsy, marketplace, etc...).
My scrapbook product stash is well organized and contained. When I am actively scrapbooking, I do have small or medium piles of "work in progress" layouts and the products I am using on them......on cafeteria style trays on a rolling carts. Nothing about my home or scrapbook area and scrapbook closet, would ever be considered within the realm of "hoarder". Passionate about scrapbooking, absolutely YES! Hoarder, NO!
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PaperAngel
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Post by PaperAngel on Aug 16, 2023 5:17:45 GMT
Echoing scrappyrabbit, I think scrapbooking - just like other industries - encourages consumerism for its own financial success/growth. Hoarding is extreme consumerism & recognized as a mental disorder. ETA: ... And as I was digging through a bin of random stuff (not all scrap related) it was really hard to throw out that ugly die cut because what if it was the “thing” that was perfect for a page? … Please consider donating unwanted supplies to local organizations/charities, such as preschools, art programs, elderly centers, Goodwill, etc. After all, one person's trash may be another person's treasure [paraphrase]!
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Post by sleepingbooty on Aug 16, 2023 11:18:02 GMT
Hoarding is simply the practice of accumulating certain things. Hoarding disorder is when it is considered a clinical mental issue. Hoarding is actually part of the human DNA. As a species, we are naturally predisposed to collecting and keeping for rainy days, like many other animal species. Many industries rely on this tendency to keep the customer hooked and flip them into a recurring buyer (the best and most reliable way to make money). Scrapbooking is no exception. The turnover for new collections is extremely high in this industry particularly. Every single season and holiday is another reason to put out new products, year after year. What sets scrapbooking apart from, say, fashion or sports or make-up, is it super low entry price. You can buy a sheet of PP for approx. 1 dollar (although, granted, inflation has made it climb a little higher recently). A pack of embellishments is around 5 dollars. All in all, you can "treat yourself" with a half a new SB line for under $20. That means you can trick yourself into a long string of lower-priced items all through the year. It's harder to justify this amount of small purchases for, say, kayaking. On top of that, scrapbooking items are in a way perishable. The vast majority of us don't use and re-use papers, die-cuts, stickers over and over again. Once it's down on the page, it's gone and you've "made room" for a new purchase. The fact that the entry point is so cheap also means that manufacturers have to come up with other ways to increase their profit margin. Hence the never-ending cycle of new stuff. Some brands even put out multiple Christmas/Spring collections at the same time to up sales. With an ever-decreasing market since the craft peaked two decades ago, it's going to be more and more difficult for these manufacturers to keep their numbers up. While scrapbooking and documenting is pretty good overall with creating FOMO, they're doing a lousy job at creating new converts. They can't keep putting pressure on the existing market to buy ever more. We're all bound to run out of space - if not spending money - at some point. So, yes, definitely a great hobby for hoarding! It's only paper, after all.
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Post by grammadee on Aug 16, 2023 14:28:02 GMT
ITA with everything you said here, sleepingbooty. Am I a hoarder? I like to buy things. I hate to throw anything away if I think I may be able to use it in the future. I collect possibilities, from new products to the tiniest scraps. I can still walk through my craftroom... On a good day...
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Post by lanena on Aug 16, 2023 14:44:09 GMT
Thank you, joblackford and sleepingbooty for noting the positive (or at least normal) aspects of hoarding/collecting. I have a lot of stuff from different areas of my life. I am trying to go through it now that I'm retired because I don't want my children or my husband to have to deal with it when I'm gone. I have hung on to old letters, so lately I am re-reading them, blessing them, and then letting them go. I have a lot of books that I need to give away...but I keep thinking I will re-read some of them. When I was teaching, I spent A LOT of my own money on supplies, so I have clung to them. I ended up using some of my old teaching books and supplies this summer because I volunteered to teach ESL to a refugee family for a couple of months. I was grateful that I hadn't given everything away. Strangely, I have no issue in some other areas of my life. I love clothes, but I regularly go through them and cull what I no longer want or need. I don't like clutter, so I don't accumulate knick knacks. I enjoy putting things in order (must be the teacher in me), so I don't have piles anywhere. When it comes to scrapbook and stationery supplies, I am afraid of letting go of some things because it's like I am eliminating a creative opportunity. Since everything is stored neatly, it doesn't bother me visually. There are some papers I just like to pull out and look at--they still bring me joy. I need to get better at culling items I will never use, though. I just need to find a place that will take them. Mostly, though, I need to stop buying supplies that I will never use.
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MDscrapaholic
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Post by MDscrapaholic on Aug 16, 2023 14:53:55 GMT
In my mind, the definition of hoarding is when someone can’t be bothered to clean up after themselves. Think piles of trash. Empty cupcake wrappers on the counter. Pet poo not being cleaned up. Open cans in the overflowing trash can. Everything in the house covered in dust. Very little room to sit or walk around. Piles of “things” in bags that I might need some day. I don’t think it applies to our hobby - it’s entirely possible to have a large collection of scrapbook/card-making supplies without being a hoarder.
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Post by Linda on Aug 16, 2023 15:00:12 GMT
I don’t think it applies to our hobby - it’s entirely possible to have a large collection of scrapbook/card-making supplies without being a hoarder. of course it is - but it's also possible to BE a hoarder ... I know of people who buy, buy, buy, but don't even unpack the shopping bags/shipping box never mind put away and use what they've bought. And others who may have just as much stuff but it's all put away and they use it - maybe not all of it but they are creating with their stuff. I think it's pretty easy to substitute shopping when time/health/lack of creativity/family stuff interferes with scrapping as a hobby and sometimes that shopping turns into the hobby but then sometimes there's too much stuff in too much of a mess and creating becomes impossible...and then it can become of a vicious cycle.
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artbabe
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Post by artbabe on Aug 16, 2023 16:25:32 GMT
I was going to quick quote people in this thread and then I realized I pretty much wanted to quick quote everyone here. Yes. I hoard. More than I will every use in several lifetimes. I love shopping for scrapbook supplies. I check online scrapbook sites every day. I love getting boxes of goodies. I do use my supplies- nothing is too precious to use. But I love having so many options when I make a layout. I want the exact right color enamel dot and cardstock. I want something for every theme. It is ridiculous. I just think there are a lot of parts to this hobby. I like to online shop. I used to love LSSs (my city had 8!) but none exist anymore. I like organizing my supplies. I like taking photos. I like looking through my photos. I like making layouts. I like looking at my layouts. I like reading this message board and talking about scrapbooking. Everything about this hobby is fun for me and just part of it is actually making the layout. I don't even want to know how many thousands of dollars I've put into this hobby over the years. But my dad's hobbies were vintage cars and antique guns and both of those hobbies cost an insane amount of money per item. So dad spent $20,000 on a car or $3000 on a gun. How many pieces of scrapbook paper is that? So I think it evens out in the end. I did purge 2 feet of scrapbook paper and a big box of embellishments lately so I do clean things out. Just not enough.
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Post by scrapcat on Aug 16, 2023 16:45:45 GMT
I was going to quick quote people in this thread and then I realized I pretty much wanted to quick quote everyone here. Same. So many good points. I don't really equate it to hoarding, and even though I have a stash that's been collected for about 20 years, I don't think of it as a problem. It's my hobby, it's what I like to do. I'm also good at resisting fomo & using the things I love versus hoarding them. I try not to overthink it and remind myself it's just paper after all. I also can see the idea of the "messy artists." I have a few actual artists in my family and see the correlation. There's something about creativity that stems out of a bit of chaos.
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Post by Margie on Aug 16, 2023 17:37:46 GMT
I'm easily encouraged to hoard in whatever hobby I'm in. Many years ago when I did toll painting, I had loads of acrylic paints, brushes, wood pieces, and books. When I was into stained glass, I had a ton of glass pieces, patterns, tools, and books. And so on.... Now I've found a hobby that I love and know I will stick to, and all my products take up less room (in general) and are pretty well organized. There are some items that I would admit to hoarding because I buy them and never use them, such as traveler's notebooks...but they're so PRETTY and I don't want to mess them up.
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Post by joblackford on Aug 16, 2023 20:07:08 GMT
I think it helps to distinguish between different things that are colloquially described as hoarding. There’s the collecting aspect, the shopping aspect, the saving things and never using them aspect, and clutter and messiness. And like Booty said, collecting, shopping, clutter, are absolutely normal parts of life. All these things are on a continuum and what is manageable at one time can become unmanageable and spin out of control after a loss or change of life circumstance.
One kind of hoarding is the people who can’t throw away anything and end up living surrounded by trash. That’s a full-on, very complex mental disorder, and not necessarily what hoarding looks like. Often there was a reason that made sense at the beginning though - wanting to recycle the trash correctly or saving things that could be useful in an emergency. They are not lazy or dirty people and living like that is not a choice.
Another I think of as the dragon kind of hoarding - keeping things for the sake of having them without needing them or wanting to use them. I think of this as the person who has a sewing machine they know they will never use again but they won’t give or sell it to someone who wants and needs it. (Although sometimes that’s because of a sentimental type of attachment, maybe wanting their child to take up sewing even if said child has had no interest in 40 years). Sometimes that’s just being in denial that we will never do this craft again.
One definition of hoarding/being over-cluttered talks about it being a problem when it starts impacting your quality of life. In crafting I would think of the person who can’t craft in their craft room because it’s too full to walk into, or who can’t ever find the supplies they need because they have too much.
There also shopping addiction, which can go hand in hand with hoarding behaviors and can lead to a very cluttered space very quickly.
But I think for most people who are crafty there’s a bit of a lot of mess at times, there’s some buying the wrong things/for the wrong reasons and not wanting to “waste money” by admitting our mistakes, there’s plenty of saving things to use on the perfect page, and there’s a lot of us who don’t want to let go of the great ideas we haven’t managed to execute (yet).
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Post by 0612 on Aug 16, 2023 22:12:42 GMT
I do not have a hoard, I just have my own personal store in my home, where I am the only shopper. I also do not hoard, I just have my own personal store, but I do open it up for friends
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Post by mikklynn on Aug 17, 2023 13:29:42 GMT
I do not have a hoard, I just have my own personal store in my home, where I am the only shopper. My DH used to refer to my scrapbook area as Archivers! My DD calls me a hoarder, but only in a loving manner - ha ha. I have a large stash, but I love having all the things to play with. It makes me happy and I don't spend more than I can afford, so I'm ok with it. But, don't tell my DD I have an order out for delivery from ACOT.
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scrapnnana
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Post by scrapnnana on Aug 17, 2023 15:21:30 GMT
I do not have a hoard, I just have my own personal store in my home, where I am the only shopper. I also do not hoard, I just have my own personal store, but I do open it up for friends I have done that in the past. I used to offer a free card class every month in my home pre-COVID. I provided the supplies at no charge, because I had an overabundance of goodies due to Tuesday Morning finds that I couldn’t resist. I also used to have friends come over to scrapbook, and I shared my goodies with them when they did. However, since my DH had back surgery followed by a heart attack that nearly killed him, I have to craft in short moments as I can, and having friends over just isn’t an option now. I don’t buy as much anymore, though, either. During and following COVID, I organized my stash and my tools. I realized that I have plenty in my stash to keep me happy the rest of my days. I have to really, really love something now to buy it. Having the latest and greatest is no longer important to me. Hopefully the time will come eventually when friends can come over again.
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